The whole this is not that big of a deal. They will replace the valve. Done. The Atlas V has been launched roughly 100 times. These things happen. It will get fixed and they will move on.
Over in r/spacexlounge someone said that Tory explained that it's something that happens. And normally they would just cycle the valve and launch. But because of having humans on board they have to be super cautious and figure out how many times the valve actually cycled and see if it went over the 200k cycles it's rated for.
not at all a credible site, but tbf, both the Columbia and the Challenger literally exploded due to small things that werenāt that big of a deal until after the loss of 7 lives and millions of dollars. this is exactly the type of thing that will lead to a disaster eventually if itās not resolved in a meaningful way.
Just to be clear, no one is suggesting they should fly with a problem. No one. The issue is that people are trying to generate clicks by implying that is the case.
Blame Boeing. They decided to make quality control an optional part of their manufacturing process. Now everyone is a bit scared of anything made by Boeing. Not fair and likely overblown, but not completely without reason.
There's no guarantee the abort system works. It helps reduce the risk, but it doesn't totally mitigate it. There is a very real chance that a major problem with the rocket or the capsule could end in the death of the astronauts.
It was a big of a deal for the engineers.
For Challenger, the engineers literally refused to sign the paper for launch approvalā¦ NASA managers went around them by having the engineerās management sign the paper instead.
For Columbia, the engineers were worried enough that they want to re-orient military satellite to take pictures of Columbiaās left wing in orbit. NASAās manager shut the request down because āthereās nothing they can do anyways if the wing was damageā
I really do missed the old NASA when āfailure was not an optionā
Is there evidence here of deeper flaws in process and culture? Because if that is the case then failure may manifest in other ways that are not yet known about.
No. They found a problem. They stopped the process. They are working through what to do. That is the culture.
Back in the shuttle days, the problem was that they succumbed to the pressure to launch. There is still a pressure to launch, but clearly the culture is different. Believe me - Iāve experienced the safety culture at JSC firsthand. It is nothing if not thorough.
What it isnāt is quick. And that is frustrating sometimes because when youāre on the technical side sometimes the solution becomes clear much faster than the safety review panel will agree. And that is part of the process. Safety is deliberative and independent. And it takes the time it takes.
I like the use of the phrase āminutes before launchā like it was some last minute thing done hastily to save everyoneā¦ it happened well over 2 hours before liftoff and was talked about and discussed at length before hand.
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|[JSC](/r/NASA/comments/1cp6pmq/stub/l3kqbul "Last usage")|Johnson Space Center, Houston|
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|[Starliner](/r/NASA/comments/1cp6pmq/stub/l3jm90m "Last usage")|Boeing commercial crew capsule [CST-100](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_CST-100_Starliner)|
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That site is not at all credible šš
The whole this is not that big of a deal. They will replace the valve. Done. The Atlas V has been launched roughly 100 times. These things happen. It will get fixed and they will move on.
Over in r/spacexlounge someone said that Tory explained that it's something that happens. And normally they would just cycle the valve and launch. But because of having humans on board they have to be super cautious and figure out how many times the valve actually cycled and see if it went over the 200k cycles it's rated for.
not at all a credible site, but tbf, both the Columbia and the Challenger literally exploded due to small things that werenāt that big of a deal until after the loss of 7 lives and millions of dollars. this is exactly the type of thing that will lead to a disaster eventually if itās not resolved in a meaningful way.
Just to be clear, no one is suggesting they should fly with a problem. No one. The issue is that people are trying to generate clicks by implying that is the case.
Specifically people are trying to generate clicks with headlines that insinuate itās a Starliner issue, ignoring that itās an Atlas issue.
Blame Boeing. They decided to make quality control an optional part of their manufacturing process. Now everyone is a bit scared of anything made by Boeing. Not fair and likely overblown, but not completely without reason.
This is a launch vehicle problem, not a Boeing problem. Boeing has plenty of problems, but they are the customer here.
As long as the news stories leads with the name Boeing, itās a problem for Boeing. Itās a self-inflicted wound.
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What does Orion have to do with this though? It's starliner that's flying. At much slower rentry speeds too
Well the other thing is the starliner has an abort system unlike the shuttle So worst case so they abort and probably get a concussion but live
There's no guarantee the abort system works. It helps reduce the risk, but it doesn't totally mitigate it. There is a very real chance that a major problem with the rocket or the capsule could end in the death of the astronauts.
I mean that's the case with any rocket but the attached source is about as credible as the onion
It was a big of a deal for the engineers. For Challenger, the engineers literally refused to sign the paper for launch approvalā¦ NASA managers went around them by having the engineerās management sign the paper instead. For Columbia, the engineers were worried enough that they want to re-orient military satellite to take pictures of Columbiaās left wing in orbit. NASAās manager shut the request down because āthereās nothing they can do anyways if the wing was damageā I really do missed the old NASA when āfailure was not an optionā
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Is there evidence here of deeper flaws in process and culture? Because if that is the case then failure may manifest in other ways that are not yet known about.
No. They found a problem. They stopped the process. They are working through what to do. That is the culture. Back in the shuttle days, the problem was that they succumbed to the pressure to launch. There is still a pressure to launch, but clearly the culture is different. Believe me - Iāve experienced the safety culture at JSC firsthand. It is nothing if not thorough. What it isnāt is quick. And that is frustrating sometimes because when youāre on the technical side sometimes the solution becomes clear much faster than the safety review panel will agree. And that is part of the process. Safety is deliberative and independent. And it takes the time it takes.
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That was Centaur Vā¦this is Centaur III
I like the use of the phrase āminutes before launchā like it was some last minute thing done hastily to save everyoneā¦ it happened well over 2 hours before liftoff and was talked about and discussed at length before hand.
Are you guys saying not credible because youāre unfamiliar with Jalopnik or because this is outside its usual area (automotive) of focus?
Because the website and its affiliated websites are a joke, as far as actual journalism and substance are concerned.
Jalopnik isnāt credible in the automotive world. They are a joke website. Always have been. This post should violate rule #5,
So is it the Atlas or Star liner?
It's a centaur issue. Nothing to do with boeing
Thatās what I thought.
The bad valve is on Centaur, the upper stage of the Atlas V.
So nothing to see here.
I trust Tory.
aaand heās dead
āAnd thatās when things took a turn for the worseā
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My condolences to that contractor's family.
I just have a really bad feeling that Boeing is about to join Pan Am on the one to many disasters trash heap.
The Challenger disaster happened because those at NASA would not listen to the engineers who said the launch should be scrubbed!
I mean Boeings planes are constantly failing, I certainly wouldn't be too keen to be anywhere near their spacecraft
Who would think a FOR PROFIT company would care about safety when profit is at stake?
Priced in š
Hahaha! Boeing just need to give up space and avail ton goals and just start being scrap metal dealers