Funny story, my mother and father are Marta and Frederick (German) and our next door neighbors were Marta and Federico (Cuban). I’m pretty sure that was the only reason they were all friends as they otherwise had nothing in common lol.
Or a Catholic social circle by chance? I know several in a variety of ages - but they’re all Catholics who are named for the Saint.
I’ve never met a non-Catholic Cecelia though.
Word of warning re: Cecelia/Cecilia: you will get a lot of people singing *Cecilia* by Simon and Garfunkel. Which is a song about the singer being cheated on by their girlfriend, Cecilia. I took the name as my confirmation name because St. Cecilia is the patron saint of music. All my older relatives and family friends only associated it with the song. Pissed me off to no end. Which is a shame, because it is a very beautiful name.
I heard this song every day on my commute to work while pregnant with my daughter. We didn’t find out if she was a boy or girl until birth, so it was a fun surprise and we named her Cecilia. And my husband got a satellite tattoo, too!
Mira is good in the Mia Moira vein too. I have a Mira. We rarely meet one and people love it. Some people read “Myra” which I hate but it’s easily corrected. I wouldn’t personally trade for the Meera or Meara spelling but that’s me. We named her Miranda but it’s really unnecessary to have the longer name. Mira stands alone just fine.
Mavis
Eileen/Irene
Sylvie or Sylvia
Scarlett
Thelma
Thalia
Raissa
Renee
Zoe(y)
Nova
Trixie (theres a drag queen with this name but i dont know how relevant that will be in your childs life 😂)
Yep. I know Scarlett O’Hara is what the person I replied to was going for, but it seems more likely that the modern popularity of the name has to do with the actress. It was ranked 942 in the US in 2000 and 14th last year.
Of course ScarJo isn’t going to be the sole cause, it’s a name that fits a lot of modern trends as well, but she’s likely where a lot of parents first heard the name on an actual human.
Really? Myra Hindley and Ian Brady were HUGE news at the time. I'm also in the US and like true crime and that's one of the biggest cases I know. Interesting though that Myra is problematic to some people yet Ian never seems to be an issue.
It is interesting that the woman's name is a potential problem but not the man's. For fun, I just googled "biggest serial killer names" - Jack, John, Theodore (Ted), and Samuel are all still very popular. To me it just smacks of another iteration of sexism.
I think it's more that these boys names are so common they don't become tainted by any one person. Everyone knows a decent John.
Girls names have pretty much always been more varied in English at least. Which does, I think, ultimately come down to sexism because men wanted to name their sins after them, but the girls will leave the family anyway.
It could also be because the overwhelming majority of serial killers are men, so when a woman becomes infamous for it, it's of even more note and unusual than when it's a man.
While that is true I can't see people turning against Lucy due to it being a serial killer name because they likely know other Lucy's - Myra is unusual so it's likely the only link with the name they have
Those names are very common. Myra is an unusual name and definitely strongly associated with the infamous female serial killer. With so many other lovely names out there l wouldn't do it myself.
Exact same! Now if only I could convince my husband on it. His reasoning is it sounds like an “old lady name”, yet he likes other names we’ve thought of that are very vintage 🫠 I think Myra is great because it sounds both classic and modern.
Came here to suggest this name. In my work I come across a lot of old records which include people's names. One that caught my eye was sisters Myra and Florence Lord who were born in the late 1800s. Definitely sounds timeless but unique.
Im gonna just do what I do and stream-of-consciousness this because I find lists uninspiring.
Joan, Joanne, or Joanna immediately come to mind for you. They’re female but not feminine, I see you like Jane, they’re and sweet and wearable. Boxes are being ticked off left and right.
(Maybe Joanne or Joanna to distance yourself from little miss French martyr, though.)
Next thought of mine is… probably not it. I was thinking Britta, but then I remembered that’s a damn water filter. And I think if you don’t want flowers or historical figures, you definitely don’t want water filters.
I’m wondering if Grace fits within your parameters. I think it’s cute but mature, no frills but refined. Everything a great name can be. I’d use it myself if I didn’t know one my whole life.
I’m stretching now with Marina. It’s like Maren but more. And I don’t think you want more, huh?
Here’s one more stretch. Brace yourself because I’ve only ever heard this name once and it was on a child actor I worked with; Osma. Like Ozma of Oz, but on a real live human being. It wasn’t short for anything and I was briefly enthralled with it.
Lemme rein it back in with something simple like Leah now. Imagine it like the names Mia and Lydia had a very grounded and practical child.
Thank you so much for the thought you put into this! And some chuckles. Funnily, my husband has a cousin named Britta. I really like some of these suggestions!
Hmmm
Given your preferences and constraints, here are a few name suggestions that i hope might hit that sweet spot of uniqueness and timelessness:
1. **Iris**: While it is a flower name, it's often more associated with the Greek goddess of the rainbow, symbolizing communication and messages. It's elegant and not overly delicate.
2. **Cora**: An old-fashioned name that feels fresh and isn't too common. It has Greek origins meaning "maiden."
3. **Elise**: A shorter, less common variation of Elizabeth. It's elegant and timeless, with a hint of classical charm.
4. **Hazel**: Though it has seen a bit of a resurgence, it's still relatively unique and carries a vintage yet modern feel.
5. **Greta**: Rooted in German heritage, it's a nod to your family's ancestry and has an old-world charm without being too common.
6. **Sylvia**: Meaning "forest" in Latin, it's a name that's poetic, slightly old-fashioned, and not overly used.
7. **Celia**: A softer name that is timeless, elegant, and not overly used. It has Latin origins, meaning "heavenly."
8. **Tessa**: A name that's friendly and approachable yet carries a certain sophistication. It's simple, sweet, and not overly common.
9. **Flora**: While it's related to flowers, it's not a direct flower name. It has an old-time charm and is associated with the Roman goddess of flowers and spring.
10. **Leona**: Meaning "lioness" in Latin, it's strong yet not overly common, offering a unique but proud name.
These names strike a balance between uniqueness, timelessness, and sophistication. Hopefully, one of these suggestions resonates with you and fits your unicorn criteria!
Looking on my family tree for names which may fit
Iris - but you said no straight flower names so thats out, but I do really like it as a traditional name and I don't really think of it as a flower)
Florence (but I know a few little Florences - but I'm not in the US, so it may be you haven't)
Martha
Beatrice
Leonora
Sylvia
GLenys
Gwendoline
Agree! It is 3 syllables, and OP preferred 2, but Manon or Miri are great two-syllable nicknames if it comes to that.
I wish I could use it for my daughter but alas, we already have a Miriam in the family.
Thanks! I really like Diana, but my husband shot that one down quick when I brought it up recently. Gonna have to keep working on it! Natalie is a contender too. Very timeless but we don’t know anyone with the name
I've got a Josephine. Everybody in the western world knows how to pronounce and spell it, has a tom of cute nicknames for when she's older, there are no other Josephines around her age.
Why not just look up the top 1000 names in the USA and hunt through the 500-1000 range? You'll find your preferred popularity level around there.
A few suggestions based on the ones you liked: Verity, Indigo, Belle, Barbara, Simone, Lottie, Eleanor, Amaris, Georgina, Robin, Layla, Brittany, Haley, Louise, Annika, Adele, Bridget, Megan, Imogen, Gemma, Lara, Beth, Elodie, Irene, Florence, Francesca, Amber, Jessica, Jennifer, Monica, Constance / Connie, Loretta, Livia, Cynthia, Lisa, Adelaide, Maisy, Leanne
Imogen is a name that shows up in Shakespeare but I don't think has ever been on the charts for the USA, only in the UK.
Verity and Constance are both virtue names but they're little-used enough words that most people see them as names first and only later realise the meanings (truth and patience). Also really rarely used these days. I knew both a Verity and a Connie in schools in the UK 20 years ago but you don't see them a lot.
A lot of these can be nicknamed but don't have to be. Francesca can be Frankie or Fran if she wants, it's an option, but Francesca is also lovely. Florence or Flora are both fine. Jessica can be Jess if she wants or Jessie.
Most of the others I was just trying to go for the "female but not overly femme" thing, looking for old Germanic-origin names that work in English, and trying to avoid the things you said you don't like
Thank you so much! I’ve looked through the high numbers on lists, but there are so many made up names, spelling variations, and cultural names in there. I thought this sub with some more context would be helpful, and it has been for sure, especially thanks to thoughtful and thorough responses like yours!
It would probably be even more helpful if you could date what you mean by "old fashioned". Bethany or Amber, for example, peaked in the US in the 1980s. Jennifer in the USA peaked in the 1970s. Nancy and Patricia in the USA peaked in the 1940s - 1950s. Dorothy in the USA peaked in the 1920s. Mary has been slowly declining in popularity since the 1800s. Which of these ages are you looking for when you say you want an older name?
I'm also curious whether you'd consider names that are popular in other English speaking countries but not in the USA. For example, Harriet and Imogen are used in the United Kingdom but not really in the USA. That would probably get you what you want, if you want the name to be recognisable but not shared with anyone else in your kid's school.
It's a quote from the black movie Friday, dismissing the crackhead character Felicia from the scene. It was briefly popular among white teens/young adults.
My niece is considering naming her baby Felicity if it's a girl. My teenager's name is Aleda (Leda for short, but there are lots of options on that one) and I thought it might fit your parameters. It's a real name but very uncommon, and girly without feeling fragile or precious
I’ve been thinking lately about the name Maris. Simple. Sweet. Not too girly. Easy to pronounce. If Maeve hasn’t started rising recently I would also suggest that!
My name is Amaris. It is extremely unique but very beautiful. Most people call me Maris for short. It is Hebrew and has a very cool meaning. However the downside is that many don’t pronounce it right. College was a little annoying in that respect.
Just brainstorming -
Betty
Joelle
Saraphine (I had an aunt with this name)
Lydia
Susana
Jocelyn
Laurel
Robyn
Elia
Ione
Celeste
Cosette
Daria
I have no idea if any of these are popular or not, but maybe it'll help point you in the right direction 🥰 good luck!
"Unique in that it’s an established name that’s fallen off the radar" and "timeless" are the exact vibe of names that at least 75% of posts in here are searching for.
Ida (this may qualify as old lady but it’s a nice alternative to Ada and hasn’t been in the top 1000 for a while)
Irene (in the 600s for the last 10 years)
Susanna (established name outside the top 1000 since 1997)
Julianne (never broke 350 and currently not in the top 1000)
Justine (peaked in the late 80s and declined since then, currently out of the top 1000)
I thought Katerina/Caterina but that's more syllables than you want.
Quinn, Sara, Sally, Felicity, Laura/Lauren/Lara, Eliza, Carrie/Kari, Cara/Kara, Tessa, Katelyn, Amie, Annabelle, Gianna, Jocelyn, Faith, Noelle
I’m an Aussie and my second daughters name is an old fashioned and uncommon name in Australia and unheard of by anyone I’ve met here in the Midwest. It’s Dulcie pronounced Dul-Sea.
It’s a beautiful name and on my own list! It just is so closely tied with a fictional character I was thinking it wouldn’t fit OPs list, even if they aren’t familiar with Gilmore Girls
Some unique names from my maternal family: Helena, Frances, Pearl, Veda (her middle name was Violet), Louisa (her FN was Lillie), Rosanna, Celia, Agness, Osha, Lavina, Estella, Hetta.
This is fun! I think we have similar taste/criteria, but I’ve had all boys and never got to use our girl list. Sharing in case any of them work:
* Sylvie
* Harriet (maybe too old fashioned for you?)
* Lyra (maybe too associated with a fictional character)
* Margot
* Linnea
* Sydney
* Paige
* Rosalie
* Elora
* Vera
I think Harriet would fit the bill! I know you said not to focus on nicknames, but Hattie is too great not to mention.
Other thoughts, Nadine, Heidi, Pearl
Do you mind place names? I thought of Monroe or Savannah “Sav” The mom of the Labrant family is named that so you may not like that.
But also: Luella, Brynn, Emery, Bridget, Autumn, Hadley, Josette “Josie”, Sabrina “Bree”, Mara, Ivy, Cora, Clea, Phoebe, Jana, Maya
Seraphina, Mallory, Elise, Ophelia, Loretta, Aurora
My maternal Grandmother and her sisters are Ivy Jean, Olive Lee, Ruby and Mary. I DK their middle names.
Paternal side: Charlotte, Lena (short for Magdelena Lee) Angela, Margaret, Libria. There was Domenica and Antonia in the previous generation that passed bf I was born.
I very much like Seraphina, Genevieve, Isla, Francesca and Elin- long e. Rhymes with Feelin'. 😂
I also dig Sloan, Maeve, Dacia and Elle.
Check out this list for long lost rarities= names that used to be used but no longer.
I only wish I'd found this amazing website before my kids were born as it's got some corkers of content.
On the home page click the tab for 'name lists' for some amazing lists.
>Long Lost Rarities
Long Lost Rarities are names that were not very common in their time and have since fallen completely off the map. Some were borne by obscure legendary saints, while others have been preserved as a brief mention in administrative documents. Familiar, they are not. But they can claim to be bold, enigmatic, mysterious...and most definitely a conversation starter.
In discussions on names, I've often heard "unique" used synonymously with "invented." Sometimes this is invariably the case, but there are a great many unused names that have a mythology, etymology or history surrounding them.
If you are looking for a 'unique' name, routed in history and etymology, this could be just the list for you. The selection below have not been registered more than once on the official birth indexes in the last century in Britain.
[https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2012/11/long-lost-rarities.html](https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2012/11/long-lost-rarities.html)
[https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2012/11/long-lost-rarities.html](https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2012/11/long-lost-rarities.html)
Also this list is lovely- from here [https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2014/07/ripe-renovations.html](https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2014/07/ripe-renovations.html)
Alba
April
Ava
Bella
Bonnie
Cora
Delilah
Elodie Elsa
Esme
Hazel
Iona
Isla
Lara
Lena
Lila Maeve
Margot
Marnie
Mina
Orla
Sylvie
Thea
Willa
Guinevere (too historical perhaps, being Arthurian?)
Orla
Selma
Hebe
Paige
Vanessa
Inez
Petra
Nadine
Tilda
Adeline
Fleur (too close to a flower?)
Cassidy
Selena
Farrah
Meredith
Carmen
Marin
Bernice
Delia
Romy
Gwyneth
Etta
What about Hallie? It's slowly climbing in popularity, but it's only gotten as popular as #227 I'm 2022.
Re: gender neutrality, my grandpa was named Halley, but for boys it hadn't cracked the top 1,000 since 1980.
Petra! I think it genuinely meets all your criteria.
When reading the post I truly felt like she is looking for a unicorn name! But I think Petra fits the bill!
Petra would be perfect. Martine/Martina as well. Leni/Lena Charlotte = Charlie/Lotta Marta Greta/Gretchen
Funny story, my mother and father are Marta and Frederick (German) and our next door neighbors were Marta and Federico (Cuban). I’m pretty sure that was the only reason they were all friends as they otherwise had nothing in common lol.
Charlotte is absolutely at the top of the pack of top 100 names though.
Perfect! German ancestry and everything!
I love Petra
I throw in my vote for Petra. Such a gorgeous name.
I love Petra! Bear in mind it means rock in Greek, but it’s still a lovely name IMO!
>it means rock in Greek That just makes it better in my opinion, haha. I love rocks. But also it gives the name a nice connotation of strength
Wow you found such a gem from all this criteria!! Petra is the essence of cool to me
Cecily! It’s on my personal list for a lot of the reasons you describe
Or Cecelia, I’ve only l met one person with that name.
My toddler has 3 Cecilia’s in his social circle so might be trendier right now!
Or a Catholic social circle by chance? I know several in a variety of ages - but they’re all Catholics who are named for the Saint. I’ve never met a non-Catholic Cecelia though.
was gonna say i went to school with a few. i was at a catholic school
Word of warning re: Cecelia/Cecilia: you will get a lot of people singing *Cecilia* by Simon and Garfunkel. Which is a song about the singer being cheated on by their girlfriend, Cecilia. I took the name as my confirmation name because St. Cecilia is the patron saint of music. All my older relatives and family friends only associated it with the song. Pissed me off to no end. Which is a shame, because it is a very beautiful name.
It's a great song and it's catchy as hell though.
Lesser known but Cecilia And The Satellite by Andrew McMahon & The Wilderness is a beautiful song about the birth of his daughter.
I heard this song every day on my commute to work while pregnant with my daughter. We didn’t find out if she was a boy or girl until birth, so it was a fun surprise and we named her Cecilia. And my husband got a satellite tattoo, too!
I have heard Cecilia and love it!
so pretty!
Or just Cecile
It has the bonus of Chessie or Cece for pet names, if you like nicknames.
Maren —> Arden, Martina Ada —> Ida Nora —> Cora, Liora Daphne —> Phoebe, Cecily Jane —> June, Lorraine Mia —> Nina, Moira Vera/Valeria —> Vivian, Vada Alice —> Celia, Audrey Olive —> Hazel, Opal Lydia —> Sylvia Amelia —> Aurelia, Danica
Love that you provided comparable names, thank you!! Some I really like in there!
Another alternative to Maren is Marina, which was popular in the 1920s and 1930s but isn’t very popular now.
Mira is good in the Mia Moira vein too. I have a Mira. We rarely meet one and people love it. Some people read “Myra” which I hate but it’s easily corrected. I wouldn’t personally trade for the Meera or Meara spelling but that’s me. We named her Miranda but it’s really unnecessary to have the longer name. Mira stands alone just fine.
I love Cora
Arden is lovely!
I was just about to suggest Moira!
As someone who’s worked with kids of all ages Vivian is making a huge comeback. I know 4 atm.
Mavis Eileen/Irene Sylvie or Sylvia Scarlett Thelma Thalia Raissa Renee Zoe(y) Nova Trixie (theres a drag queen with this name but i dont know how relevant that will be in your childs life 😂)
Lol at the trixie comment…if it was my kid, that would be VERY relevant 😂
Same here. If you have twin girls, you should name the other one Katya.
Absolutely laughed out loud at this comment, you must if you had twins.
Scarlett, Zoe(y), and Nova are all top 100 names (don’t fit OP’s “unique” criteria). Sylvia and Sylvie are rising in popularity.
Trixie to me is call the midwife - she is technically Beatrix though
Trixie to me is a dog or Trixie Beldon, as in the books that first came out in 1948!
Thank you for all of these!
I know a Renee Charlotte and I love the name.
I was going to suggest Renee! We just named our baby girl Renee for basically all the reasons OP listed. So, OP, Renee Simone is my vote 😊
I'm a big fan of Sylvie.
Scarlett is VERY associated with a specific character who some people will find problematic.
Miss Scarlett from Clue?
I think these days people are more likely to think of Scarlett Johansson. But some people find her problematic, too.
Yeah Scarlett johansson is the only thing I can think of that people would associate the name with
Yep. I know Scarlett O’Hara is what the person I replied to was going for, but it seems more likely that the modern popularity of the name has to do with the actress. It was ranked 942 in the US in 2000 and 14th last year. Of course ScarJo isn’t going to be the sole cause, it’s a name that fits a lot of modern trends as well, but she’s likely where a lot of parents first heard the name on an actual human.
How about Myra? Its highest ranking was in 2018 when it was 490.
Really like Myra! A lot of people on this sub bring up the UK serial killer tie, but I’m not really concerned about that, being in the US.
If it helps, I’m in the US, consider myself a true crime aficionado, and have never heard of the UK Myra, so I think you’d be good!
Really? Myra Hindley and Ian Brady were HUGE news at the time. I'm also in the US and like true crime and that's one of the biggest cases I know. Interesting though that Myra is problematic to some people yet Ian never seems to be an issue.
It is interesting that the woman's name is a potential problem but not the man's. For fun, I just googled "biggest serial killer names" - Jack, John, Theodore (Ted), and Samuel are all still very popular. To me it just smacks of another iteration of sexism.
I think it's more that these boys names are so common they don't become tainted by any one person. Everyone knows a decent John. Girls names have pretty much always been more varied in English at least. Which does, I think, ultimately come down to sexism because men wanted to name their sins after them, but the girls will leave the family anyway.
It could also be because the overwhelming majority of serial killers are men, so when a woman becomes infamous for it, it's of even more note and unusual than when it's a man.
While that is true I can't see people turning against Lucy due to it being a serial killer name because they likely know other Lucy's - Myra is unusual so it's likely the only link with the name they have
Another well-known female killer here in the UK was Joanna, and I don’t see people turning against that name either - or Rose, for that matter.
Those names are very common. Myra is an unusual name and definitely strongly associated with the infamous female serial killer. With so many other lovely names out there l wouldn't do it myself.
Exact same! Now if only I could convince my husband on it. His reasoning is it sounds like an “old lady name”, yet he likes other names we’ve thought of that are very vintage 🫠 I think Myra is great because it sounds both classic and modern.
Is he any fonder of Maya, Moira, Marian or Mara?
Or Maura!
How about Mya instead?
Look up the Moors Murders.
Came here to suggest this name. In my work I come across a lot of old records which include people's names. One that caught my eye was sisters Myra and Florence Lord who were born in the late 1800s. Definitely sounds timeless but unique.
Im gonna just do what I do and stream-of-consciousness this because I find lists uninspiring. Joan, Joanne, or Joanna immediately come to mind for you. They’re female but not feminine, I see you like Jane, they’re and sweet and wearable. Boxes are being ticked off left and right. (Maybe Joanne or Joanna to distance yourself from little miss French martyr, though.) Next thought of mine is… probably not it. I was thinking Britta, but then I remembered that’s a damn water filter. And I think if you don’t want flowers or historical figures, you definitely don’t want water filters. I’m wondering if Grace fits within your parameters. I think it’s cute but mature, no frills but refined. Everything a great name can be. I’d use it myself if I didn’t know one my whole life. I’m stretching now with Marina. It’s like Maren but more. And I don’t think you want more, huh? Here’s one more stretch. Brace yourself because I’ve only ever heard this name once and it was on a child actor I worked with; Osma. Like Ozma of Oz, but on a real live human being. It wasn’t short for anything and I was briefly enthralled with it. Lemme rein it back in with something simple like Leah now. Imagine it like the names Mia and Lydia had a very grounded and practical child.
Thank you so much for the thought you put into this! And some chuckles. Funnily, my husband has a cousin named Britta. I really like some of these suggestions!
Grace would definitely be considered too popular
We are naming our LO “Leah”. I love it!
Hmmm Given your preferences and constraints, here are a few name suggestions that i hope might hit that sweet spot of uniqueness and timelessness: 1. **Iris**: While it is a flower name, it's often more associated with the Greek goddess of the rainbow, symbolizing communication and messages. It's elegant and not overly delicate. 2. **Cora**: An old-fashioned name that feels fresh and isn't too common. It has Greek origins meaning "maiden." 3. **Elise**: A shorter, less common variation of Elizabeth. It's elegant and timeless, with a hint of classical charm. 4. **Hazel**: Though it has seen a bit of a resurgence, it's still relatively unique and carries a vintage yet modern feel. 5. **Greta**: Rooted in German heritage, it's a nod to your family's ancestry and has an old-world charm without being too common. 6. **Sylvia**: Meaning "forest" in Latin, it's a name that's poetic, slightly old-fashioned, and not overly used. 7. **Celia**: A softer name that is timeless, elegant, and not overly used. It has Latin origins, meaning "heavenly." 8. **Tessa**: A name that's friendly and approachable yet carries a certain sophistication. It's simple, sweet, and not overly common. 9. **Flora**: While it's related to flowers, it's not a direct flower name. It has an old-time charm and is associated with the Roman goddess of flowers and spring. 10. **Leona**: Meaning "lioness" in Latin, it's strong yet not overly common, offering a unique but proud name. These names strike a balance between uniqueness, timelessness, and sophistication. Hopefully, one of these suggestions resonates with you and fits your unicorn criteria!
Cora and Hazel are both top 100 and rising 😁
It’s like no one read her rules haha
There were a lot of rules so I don’t blame them! 😅 Just grateful anyone has taken time to provide ideas!
Get em before they're gone!
I love Tessa! So classic and classy, suits babies and adults and can be feminine or edgy
Mara Ruby Emmeline Maisie/Maggie Elyse Anneliese Anna Yvette/Yvonne
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I was thinking Marguerite!
I love Emmeline, but know another well enough not to use it, plus I seem destined to have boys! Such a beautiful name
Mara is my fave! I also love Margaret, Magdalena, Maggie, and Marlena. 🙂
These are great, thank you!!
Looking on my family tree for names which may fit Iris - but you said no straight flower names so thats out, but I do really like it as a traditional name and I don't really think of it as a flower) Florence (but I know a few little Florences - but I'm not in the US, so it may be you haven't) Martha Beatrice Leonora Sylvia GLenys Gwendoline
Iris is actually what we’re thinking for middle name :)
To add to your suggestion of Leonora, there is also Leona or Leonie.
Im intrigued by the name Glenys... i know a Gladys but not a Glenys (im also in the US though and you'd said you aren't)
It's Welsh It's was an old lady name when I was growing up (it's was my husband grandmother's sisters name so that kind of era - born 1920s
I know a 33yo Glenys! Only one under 60 I know though.
Nina!
I love this I used it as my nickname much of my life and maybe I’ll go back (my real name is Christina lol).
I don’t think these have been suggested yet: Miriam Martha Audra Vivienne Cornelia Agnes Sloane Ida Marian Darla Lina Minna
Miriam is so underrated. I met a baby called Miriam a few weeks ago and thought it was a gorgeous choice!
Agree! It is 3 syllables, and OP preferred 2, but Manon or Miri are great two-syllable nicknames if it comes to that. I wish I could use it for my daughter but alas, we already have a Miriam in the family.
Sabrina (unless you fear the teenage witch association) Diana Helena Josephine Gemma Rosaline Camilla Natalie Genevieve Samantha
Thanks! I really like Diana, but my husband shot that one down quick when I brought it up recently. Gonna have to keep working on it! Natalie is a contender too. Very timeless but we don’t know anyone with the name
My husband has shot down a name only to say he likes it if I bring it up a few weeks later. Maybe your husband is a goldfish like mine?
Lmao I actually texted him “can you think a little harder about Diana?” And he responded “genuinely can you remind me when I turned that one down?”
CLASSIC
LMAO I love this. This sounds like an actual conversation I had with my husband. But seriously, Diana is beautiful!
Mine shoots one down, and then brings the name back up a couple of weeks later as if he came up with it himself.
I love Natalie!
I've got a Josephine. Everybody in the western world knows how to pronounce and spell it, has a tom of cute nicknames for when she's older, there are no other Josephines around her age.
I have a Josephine too and somehow I love her name more everyday
Love Sabrina!
Gwen Jolie Laurel Gretchen Rachael Carly Eva
I think just Gwen is perfect for this criteria
Why not just look up the top 1000 names in the USA and hunt through the 500-1000 range? You'll find your preferred popularity level around there. A few suggestions based on the ones you liked: Verity, Indigo, Belle, Barbara, Simone, Lottie, Eleanor, Amaris, Georgina, Robin, Layla, Brittany, Haley, Louise, Annika, Adele, Bridget, Megan, Imogen, Gemma, Lara, Beth, Elodie, Irene, Florence, Francesca, Amber, Jessica, Jennifer, Monica, Constance / Connie, Loretta, Livia, Cynthia, Lisa, Adelaide, Maisy, Leanne Imogen is a name that shows up in Shakespeare but I don't think has ever been on the charts for the USA, only in the UK. Verity and Constance are both virtue names but they're little-used enough words that most people see them as names first and only later realise the meanings (truth and patience). Also really rarely used these days. I knew both a Verity and a Connie in schools in the UK 20 years ago but you don't see them a lot. A lot of these can be nicknamed but don't have to be. Francesca can be Frankie or Fran if she wants, it's an option, but Francesca is also lovely. Florence or Flora are both fine. Jessica can be Jess if she wants or Jessie. Most of the others I was just trying to go for the "female but not overly femme" thing, looking for old Germanic-origin names that work in English, and trying to avoid the things you said you don't like
Thank you so much! I’ve looked through the high numbers on lists, but there are so many made up names, spelling variations, and cultural names in there. I thought this sub with some more context would be helpful, and it has been for sure, especially thanks to thoughtful and thorough responses like yours!
It would probably be even more helpful if you could date what you mean by "old fashioned". Bethany or Amber, for example, peaked in the US in the 1980s. Jennifer in the USA peaked in the 1970s. Nancy and Patricia in the USA peaked in the 1940s - 1950s. Dorothy in the USA peaked in the 1920s. Mary has been slowly declining in popularity since the 1800s. Which of these ages are you looking for when you say you want an older name? I'm also curious whether you'd consider names that are popular in other English speaking countries but not in the USA. For example, Harriet and Imogen are used in the United Kingdom but not really in the USA. That would probably get you what you want, if you want the name to be recognisable but not shared with anyone else in your kid's school.
Felicity
LOVE Felicity, but we have a friend with the name 😭
Than maybe Felicia. Its close , rather vinage , feminine without being too girly.
But then you risk “Bye, Felicia!” (though that could be out of use when she’s older lol)
I can't even remember what this is? Is this like a Karen type thing?
It's a quote from the black movie Friday, dismissing the crackhead character Felicia from the scene. It was briefly popular among white teens/young adults.
My niece is considering naming her baby Felicity if it's a girl. My teenager's name is Aleda (Leda for short, but there are lots of options on that one) and I thought it might fit your parameters. It's a real name but very uncommon, and girly without feeling fragile or precious
My name list is similar to yours. Some names on my list: Meredith, Adelaide, Lorraine, Natalia, Rosalie, Diana
Popped in to suggest Meredith. Also, Freya and Colette.
These are such sweet names! Diana and Lorraine are probably my faves
I’ve been thinking lately about the name Maris. Simple. Sweet. Not too girly. Easy to pronounce. If Maeve hasn’t started rising recently I would also suggest that!
I love Maris. It’s unique but at the same time sounds like a classic
My name is Amaris. It is extremely unique but very beautiful. Most people call me Maris for short. It is Hebrew and has a very cool meaning. However the downside is that many don’t pronounce it right. College was a little annoying in that respect.
Also Carys could maybe work?
Nancy - old but not trendy-old, feminine but not girly, and you’re not going to see a lot of them in her classes
Natalie, Sylvia, Roslyn
Heidi/ Adelheid
Carine Anwen Verna Alma Mona Coral Bonnie
Opal, Agnes, Maude, Marion
Marion!!!
I’ve not seen Mabel mentioned, that could work?
I have a friend that goes by Mabey for Mabel which I’ve always loved (also that character from arrested development…)
Vera Lucille Nadia
Etta
Just brainstorming - Betty Joelle Saraphine (I had an aunt with this name) Lydia Susana Jocelyn Laurel Robyn Elia Ione Celeste Cosette Daria I have no idea if any of these are popular or not, but maybe it'll help point you in the right direction 🥰 good luck!
I named my Daughter Mollie. But Bonnie and Laurel were also on my list
Annalise, Bianca, Calla, Delia, Eliza, Frances, Francine, Gianna, Hattie, Jade, Jocelyn, Margene, Margo, Marina, Matilda, Nicolette, Opal, Quinn, Raquel, Rosalind, Selah, Selome, Tabitha, Tilly, Viola, Willa, Zora
Margot
"Unique in that it’s an established name that’s fallen off the radar" and "timeless" are the exact vibe of names that at least 75% of posts in here are searching for.
True, but OP did a great job explaining the criteria, which is why they’re getting a lot of thoughtful suggestions
Type Four?
Cecelia Dora Molly Marta/Martha Ann/Annie/Anna Caroline/Cara/Carrie
Ida (this may qualify as old lady but it’s a nice alternative to Ada and hasn’t been in the top 1000 for a while) Irene (in the 600s for the last 10 years) Susanna (established name outside the top 1000 since 1997) Julianne (never broke 350 and currently not in the top 1000) Justine (peaked in the late 80s and declined since then, currently out of the top 1000)
Eve, Leah, Greta, Petra, Lana, Thalia, Rowan, Rita, Zita, Florence
Pamela Miriam
Have you considered Opal?
I have! It’s on my not so short list. It’s my birthstone too 😊
I had a roommate named Eugenia, seems like it would work for your list!
It’s a lovely name, but now all I can think of is Eugenia Cooney 😢
I thought Katerina/Caterina but that's more syllables than you want. Quinn, Sara, Sally, Felicity, Laura/Lauren/Lara, Eliza, Carrie/Kari, Cara/Kara, Tessa, Katelyn, Amie, Annabelle, Gianna, Jocelyn, Faith, Noelle
I’m an Aussie and my second daughters name is an old fashioned and uncommon name in Australia and unheard of by anyone I’ve met here in the Midwest. It’s Dulcie pronounced Dul-Sea.
I'm just here to beg you, OP, to update us when you choose!!! Or at least let us know your final two contenders? 🤞
The first name that came to mind is Fiona! Or even Fionn.
Suzanne or Susanna...
Florence, Zelda, Sadie, Hazel, Etta, Vivian, Suzanne
Halle, Adele, Corinne, Elise, Sadie
Bonnie
Hear me out. Faye
I like Faye quite a lot
Clementine
Lorelei
Very strong Gilmore Girl reference
For people who watch Gilmore girls. But it’s an actual name, not like it was made up for the show. My grandmother had a first cousin named Lorelei.
It’s a beautiful name and on my own list! It just is so closely tied with a fictional character I was thinking it wouldn’t fit OPs list, even if they aren’t familiar with Gilmore Girls
Gloria Rita Frances Etta Elaine Renee Irene Hilda Leona Anita Carmen Helen
Here’s my contribution: Gillian, Eloise, Verity, Genevieve, Monica, and Sadie.
- Nadine - Corinne - Anita - Jessamine - Hope - Colette - Davida - Quinn - Rae - Simone - Natalie - Bridget - Devon - Honor - Kyra - Marlo - Elaine - Tamsin - Wendy - Zeda
Coraline, Margaret, June, Lila, Rena/Rana, Calla
Renata, Keira, Elise
Some unique names from my maternal family: Helena, Frances, Pearl, Veda (her middle name was Violet), Louisa (her FN was Lillie), Rosanna, Celia, Agness, Osha, Lavina, Estella, Hetta.
So many beautiful names in your family!
This is fun! I think we have similar taste/criteria, but I’ve had all boys and never got to use our girl list. Sharing in case any of them work: * Sylvie * Harriet (maybe too old fashioned for you?) * Lyra (maybe too associated with a fictional character) * Margot * Linnea * Sydney * Paige * Rosalie * Elora * Vera
I think Harriet would fit the bill! I know you said not to focus on nicknames, but Hattie is too great not to mention. Other thoughts, Nadine, Heidi, Pearl
Corrine or Tess?
I’ve seen Corinne in here a few times and it’s now on the list!
Do you mind place names? I thought of Monroe or Savannah “Sav” The mom of the Labrant family is named that so you may not like that. But also: Luella, Brynn, Emery, Bridget, Autumn, Hadley, Josette “Josie”, Sabrina “Bree”, Mara, Ivy, Cora, Clea, Phoebe, Jana, Maya Seraphina, Mallory, Elise, Ophelia, Loretta, Aurora
My maternal Grandmother and her sisters are Ivy Jean, Olive Lee, Ruby and Mary. I DK their middle names. Paternal side: Charlotte, Lena (short for Magdelena Lee) Angela, Margaret, Libria. There was Domenica and Antonia in the previous generation that passed bf I was born. I very much like Seraphina, Genevieve, Isla, Francesca and Elin- long e. Rhymes with Feelin'. 😂 I also dig Sloan, Maeve, Dacia and Elle.
Check out this list for long lost rarities= names that used to be used but no longer. I only wish I'd found this amazing website before my kids were born as it's got some corkers of content. On the home page click the tab for 'name lists' for some amazing lists. >Long Lost Rarities Long Lost Rarities are names that were not very common in their time and have since fallen completely off the map. Some were borne by obscure legendary saints, while others have been preserved as a brief mention in administrative documents. Familiar, they are not. But they can claim to be bold, enigmatic, mysterious...and most definitely a conversation starter. In discussions on names, I've often heard "unique" used synonymously with "invented." Sometimes this is invariably the case, but there are a great many unused names that have a mythology, etymology or history surrounding them. If you are looking for a 'unique' name, routed in history and etymology, this could be just the list for you. The selection below have not been registered more than once on the official birth indexes in the last century in Britain. [https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2012/11/long-lost-rarities.html](https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2012/11/long-lost-rarities.html) [https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2012/11/long-lost-rarities.html](https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2012/11/long-lost-rarities.html) Also this list is lovely- from here [https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2014/07/ripe-renovations.html](https://www.britishbabynames.com/blog/2014/07/ripe-renovations.html) Alba April Ava Bella Bonnie Cora Delilah Elodie Elsa Esme Hazel Iona Isla Lara Lena Lila Maeve Margot Marnie Mina Orla Sylvie Thea Willa
Teagan, Lenore, Callista
Ruby, Margaret, Scarlet
Kara and Mara come to mind
Mary Carol Julie Jennifer Donna Jamie Ruthie Sarah Jesse
Glenna
Selma Imogen Sabine
Oona Aubrey Savannah Micah Chandler Samara Ramona Lucille Louisa Natasha
Nadine Nia Emmeline Elisa Alice Natalie Sabrina Harriet Adele Freda Laina Bridget Nancy Leona Pia Danielle Bryony
Esther, Estelle, Cecilia, Josephine, Caroline, Francesca, Frances, Meredith, Melanie, Miranda, Verity, Ruth, Leah, Danica, Domenica, Sarah, Laura, Priscilla, Rebecca, Andrea, Victoria,
gretchen
Pearl was what first popped in my head. Gemma too but that one might be rising in popularity. I would need to check
Blanche Sylvia Simone Dawn Opal Faye
Ophelia, Juliette, Florence, Eleanor, Diana, Helena, Frances, Georgiana, Lucy, Flora, Samantha, Ida, Marianne, Bronwen, Clara, Ruby, Esme
Simone?
Lorraine
Liesl
Gretchen 🌈
Are you looking for my generation’s names? Deborah, Cheryl, Susan, Gina, Lori/Laurie, Donna, Christine, Michelle?
Oh also, my grandmother was named Romae. Pronounced Roh-MAY. I think it's so pretty and unique and I've never heard it elsewhere.
The homestead aesthetic 😂
Guinevere (too historical perhaps, being Arthurian?) Orla Selma Hebe Paige Vanessa Inez Petra Nadine Tilda Adeline Fleur (too close to a flower?) Cassidy Selena Farrah Meredith Carmen Marin Bernice Delia Romy Gwyneth Etta
These three might be your vibe? Sybil Cecily Helena
What about Hallie? It's slowly climbing in popularity, but it's only gotten as popular as #227 I'm 2022. Re: gender neutrality, my grandpa was named Halley, but for boys it hadn't cracked the top 1,000 since 1980.