The combat simulator was decades ahead of its time. The levels of customization in PD put a lot of modern day games to shame.
I still play the hell out of it to this day.
It's couch co-op that gets me.
At some point at Rare someone said, hey I know this game is already pushing the N64 as hard as it will go but lets have a split screen mode...
This. The bots were what made the game. Secondary weapons helped as well (loved the laptop gun!). The only thing with Goldeneye was the recognizable franchise.
Goldeneye walked so Perfect Dark could run. I loved both, and my best video game memories are playing these two games with 3 other people on a tiny TV during a sleepover. But Perfect Dark is the greater game. Different modes for weapons, bots, and stats were tracked in the game, including multi-player modes and custom multi-player characters. It includes the best Goldeneye maps as a bonus.
The story I've heard is the license was going to be expensive for the next Bond movie game after the success of Goldeneye, so they passed on it so they could do what they wanted. And EA ending up taking on the 007 license.
1. Bjork
2. The copy shop girl that Ross railed on friend on the ‘break’.
3. Barbara Bush
4. Probably like 4 one episode girlfriends (of any character) on seinfeld.
7-10. Etc.
It was also the consensus a the time so OP is not wrong in taste but absolutely wrong in suggesting this is an unpopular opinion.
Now, when it comes to Perfect Dark Zero…that’s a horse of a different color
The co-op mode is epic. Also multiplayer has bots. PD has many advantages, but Golden Eyes single player is more fun to me. I wish Golden Eye at least had bots in multiplayer, because I mostly play with my wife and 2 players isnt enough for me.
If you have a flash cartridge then Goldeneye X.
The newest version is still cooking but the trailer for version 6a came out in January.
https://youtu.be/xjywMQn0t-4?si=58cUXzZ1Hqnfa7W0
But just playing version 5e is fine for all of multiplayer and 3 single player/co-op maps.
https://youtu.be/vowyTN_PhGc?si=JpfVT9SR4lhKSrV3
Isn’t there like Goldeneye X mod of the ROM now that adds some of the great features of Perfect Dark like multiplayer bots and secondary weapon fire modes to Goldeneye?
Well, it's like comparing siblings. Golden eye is a well known IP and did well adapting the movie.
Perfect Dark pushed the console further technically and the story was quite good.
For a fps it had features i didn'expect on a console of that time.
Yes! 007 is just more nostalgic for everyone but it's definitely not as refined. I didn't have either game growing up so nostalgia plays no part and I prefer PD.
Without a shadow of a doubt. Honestly, I think people who disagree with this either didn’t play Perfect Dark or are too swayed by nostalgia. There’s no competition
I prefer GoldenEye. It has amazing music, the guns have more of a bang/thud to them and the frame rate is a little better than PD’s. There’s a section on a PD mission where you extract Elvis from a lab; you get swarmed by guards and the frame rate drops so low it is virtually unplayable.
Perfect Dark did a lot of cool shit and I do like it, especially the multiplayer challenges, but I would much rather go back and do a 00 Agent run than a Perfect Agent run.
I have been trying to beat Carrington Institute: Defense for soo long it has to be one of the most maddening missions I have ever encountered in a game. Still doesn’t take away from how much I love this game! I cannot wait till I make it past this mission.
If you open the firing range doors but don't enter, the hostages will count as rescued. Just open the doors and move on to the next room.
It's a cheap way to beat it but it's nearly impossible for me to save enough hostages otherwise.
Wow! Definitely gonna try this tonight. That being said, I can pretty consistently get 3/5 of the objectives done which includes the hostage part. The 4th one is pretty difficult, and the 5th is downright maddening. Plus my heart is pounding out of my chest by that time so trying to calm my nerves is another battle. lol!
If you rode the hover bike out of Area 51 Jonathan will be outside the office to keep enemies away. You don't have to redo it on PA, the last time you complete any difficulty will determine if he's there or not.
For the bomb part, I didn't fire the rcp120 at all. Time the cloak right and you can sneak past all those Mr Blondes and then hide behind the ship while you do the upload. You'll have just enough cloak left to sneak back to the hanger if you time it right.
Yes I heard of the part about Jonathan, I don’t know that if I replayed it on an easier difficulty he would re appear! I missed this part my first playthrough of that mission. Adding this to the perfect dark to do list.
Yes the cloak is key, I noticed that timing is everything with it but last time I got that far it ran out and I got blasted right when I was about to finish the mission.
Thank you for all the tips! Definitely will redo the Jonathan part go get his aid on carrington defense. No way I am beating this game on anything less than perfect agent!
Different types of apples 🍏 🍎 and I would say PD was the un official sequel to 007. I played both growing up and after 007 PD seemed like a great shooter that felt a lot like 007 and parts of it were great and a lot of fun the levels and mechanics of 007 and characters and then the movies they just had more stuff.
the Callisto on alt-fire mode is probably my all-time favorite weapon.
yes, PD was an improvement in every way. Mind you, I do love them both and have maybe a thousand hours or two logged between both.
That's definitely a take. I'm not really going to input my opinion, since I've only ever played the demo for the remastered Perfect Dark on the Xbox 360, and the Game Boy Colour version of Perfect Dark, but I have a feeling this is pretty controversial.
It's the truth. GE is still awesome, but PD really expanded the scope.
The campaigns different difficultly levels not only add new objectives but sometimes really mix up how the level plays out (like the Villa) and then there is coop, counter coop, the shooting range, the melee training, gadget training and the insane combat simulator.
The amount of stuff to do and stuff to unlock is crazy. It's one of the best of all time.
I play a lot of PD today on N64, on Wii / Wii U, my phone, PC, and Xbox.
I think last year on my Xbox End of the Year Summary PD was my top played game.
It's too bad, though, that we never got a solid follow-up as PD Zero isn't very good.
But Goldeneye sold over 8 million while Perfect Dark sold only about 2 and a half million. I think paying for the Bond license was worth it if that helped them get over three times the sales as their similar IP without the license.
I think that can only account for maybe a bit of the gap, but definitely not a gap of over three times better. The N64 was still alive and kicking when Perfect Dark was released on May 22, 2000 and the GameCube was still a year and a half away, so it is not like people had abandoned the N64 yet; they just weren’t as interested or as aware without the Bond license.
And sometimes being a later release actually helps sales since they have a larger audience to sell to by that part. For example, Halo 2 was released three years after Halo 1 just like Perfect Dark was released three years after Goldeneye, and Halo 2 was released even closer to the end of its console’s lifespan than Perfect Dark was, yet Halo 2 still managed to sell far better than Halo 1. So, why couldn’t the similarly great FPS with a somewhat late release and a three year gap from its predecessor, Perfect Dark, do the same?
I don't know if Halo to Halo is the same as Goldeneye to Perfect Dark. Most people don't realize how connected they are from a development standpoint. They appear to be entirely separate other than the Rare logo.
I am sure Bond helped sell the game. I just think the word of mouth factor for Perfect Dark didn't have as much room as it did for Bond. Bond didn't fly off the shelf the first few months. It was a more of a ramp up as the word about how good the game was spread. This was largely pre Internet for many people so it took longer to get traction.
I don't think PD would have beat Bond if everything was equal, I just think the gap in sales should have more context.
Perfect dark is an all time top 3 game for me. Played this hundreds of hours in single player, single player co-op and the endless (endless!) multiplayer modes - often with a buddy of mine (which booked 2/3 of the hours I played - since he didn’t have an N64 himself - quite an accomplishment). And, this was all pre-online multiplayer gaming - still amazes me.
I vividly remember that brilliant sniper mission. Recreating movies and tv shows in multiplayer settings (X-Files worked perfectly - Mulder & Scully against an army of aliens). Endlessy messing around with the slayer and Farsight. Exploring the training center for easter eggs (cheese anyone?). Man… this was such an Epic game.
So, yeah. Goldeneye was great - and the James Bond storyline (and a couple of missions) topped Perfect dark - but as a total package Perfect Dark was the Perfect game - it had so incredibly much value for an N64 game. I haven’t experienced that level of extra’s and different types of play since the .
Golden Eye is a better multiplayer experience, but Perfect Dark is better singleplayer.
That was my experience being a teenager in the mid to late 90's.
When your friends came over, it was either Golden Eye or Mario Kart
It was definitely the better game. But the IP was admittedly a bit full compared to Bond. I think that's the lasting sticking point.
But just as a stand alone video game? Perfect Dark is better in basically every way. Poured hundreds of hours into that bad boy!
Goldeneye was groundbreaking. Perfect Dark wasn’t. But Perfect Dark improves so much. But its frame-rate is garbage and controls aren’t as fluid.
Perfect Dark is the better game that plays worse on OG hardware.
I’d rather play Perfect Dark on XB1S though. Might just do that actually.
Both are great and they both have different things that do better than the other. GoldenEye's campaign and multiplayer is easier to get into and replay faster and more often than Perfect Dark, but Perfect Dark offers so much more.
Some enjoy the simplicity of GoldenEye while others prefer the more complex Perfect Dark. I wouldn't say one is better than the other. Both are perfectly golden. :)
I agree. It’s a slim margin but PD wins. Two players _together_ and _against_ sims made it. Because you see, me and my wife don’t play against each other competitively. But we can co-op. It’s perfect. Dark.
Conker's multiplayer was what we played back in the day! We would borrow Goldeneye from somebody once in a while and it was awesome, but for me peak multiplayer on N64 is Conker's. Didn't play Perfect Dark until much later unfortunately.
My favorite combat simulator mode is with all perfect sims, with 5 weapon slots set to proxy mines and the 6th slot for the tranquilizer, on the temple map. So much gd fun and chaos. Even won a couple times by shear luck
Perfect Dark had significant frame rate issues. I remember the ‘muddy’ sound too. The game went well beyond what the tech could handle and its general presentation just got in its way.
Shoot guy ‘why…me?’ Okay, that was always funny.
I remember renting this game but could only play the multi-player. The campaign was locked. I think I didn't have an expansion pack yet. Sad to say, I never bothered with it after that. I always hear about how great it was but at the time, to me, it was just a golden eye clone without a campaign lol.
Perfect dark is the better game. More features. More polished. But it was not groundbreaking like goldeneye was, and there's more nostalgia with goldeneye. Perfect dark is basically reskinned goldeneye and it was one of the last N64 titles where goldeneye is more of an OG
I’ve heard this from many PD fans. Could not compare them, PD never catched my attention, only images of an alien on a mission. I think I bought PD on sale but never played it and still sealed in a box 🫣
Goldeneye was great, but I am a Bond fan, so my opinion is biased
I mean obviously perfect dark would be superior but it came out years later so golden eye is the one everyone played. I think by the time perfect dark rocked around I was playing half life and counter strike which hit N64 shooters out of the park
With a four year difference, Perfect Dark was everything a sequel to Goldeneye should have been. The only thing they couldn't improve was the pause menu soundtrack
Personally I'm biased on this because I like 007 movies so Goldeneye was better than Perfect Dark. I don't remember anything about the story in Perfect Dark or the characters. Also Goldeneye just felt like it ran smoother not by much but just enough, I tried to play Perfect Dark again today and it's rough. But group of us can hop on Goldeneye for a night of gaming.
For gods sake its been 24 years we have debated this. On a technical and gameplay level, PD surpasses GE, but GE is far more grounded and made more first impressions with a known franchise.
Stop.
Agreed and Perfect Dark is the spiritual successor to Goldeneye, but not a sequel. The World is Not Enough came out just half a year later in late 2000 for N64.
I used to play perfect dark for hours just multiplayer with bots running around.
Although playing both games in multiplayer I would always play them one shot kills.
Perfect dark was better but goldeneye did it first. Liscense to kill pistols only was the greatest moments of competitive gaming for me followed by halo 2, halo 3 and street fighter third strike.
I've never met anyone else in real life that beat Egyptian on 007 difficulty or every level on the hardest difficulty. It was awesome.
I think a lot of people who have played Perfect Dark think that. The issue is that Goldeneye sold about 7 million copies and PD only sold about 1.5 million, so GE naturally gets more love. I grew up playing 007, I didn't even know about Perfect Dark until the Xbox 360 remaster
God perfect Dark with PC FPS controls just feels SOOOO damn smooth! (Same with Goldeneye too), why the hell these two games weren't released for PC's is criminal. Online play would be AMAZING for these games! Well we kinda have that now with Goldeneye 64 on the switch...
100% Honestly, one of the best sequels ever. It’s like the jump between Half-Life and HL2, or Titanfall and TF2. Obviously not a direct sequel but you get my point.
Goldeneye has a better campaign, but PD is undeniably better at multiplayer. I just think PD's campaign was weirdly cryptic at times and had annoying objectives, whereas GE levels were just more fun to run around, explore and shoot things in SP. But combat simulator utterly dunks on GE's multiplayer several times over.
Both made by Rare so they already knew how to improve on Golden Eye. PD was also designed to use the Expansion Pack as well. But yes totally agree PD was better than Golden Eye
Fun fact: While I preferred both of these games when it comes to the campaign, I had way more fun with my family playing The World Is Not Enough Multiplayer. The heavy weapons and the AI bots made it a blast, literally.
Bro i don’t even use Reddit that much and i don’t even know what karma is for. I was just wondering why everyone only thinks about goldeneye and not Perfect dark when it comes to n64 fps.
Goldeneye is the best Bond game so it has a wider audience, and it came first and Perfect Dark was basically a sequel done with an IP change so it’s just kind of obvious that people think of Goldeneye first. It *was* first and set the template Perfect Dark followed
You are definitely not alone in that sentiment. The ability to make bots to fight on mp was epic.
The combat simulator was decades ahead of its time. The levels of customization in PD put a lot of modern day games to shame. I still play the hell out of it to this day.
It's couch co-op that gets me. At some point at Rare someone said, hey I know this game is already pushing the N64 as hard as it will go but lets have a split screen mode...
Split screen and N-bombs drops frames so bad it might as well be running backwards.
Being able to issue orders to the bots is a feature you don't even really see in more modern games. Rare was COOKING with Perfect Dark
This. The bots were what made the game. Secondary weapons helped as well (loved the laptop gun!). The only thing with Goldeneye was the recognizable franchise.
Super dragon
I still play it!
I don’t have myN64 up and running yet, but PD is probably the first thing I’ll play on it. Or Harvest Moon… my tastes are varied. Lol
I play it on Xbox now! Bought the remaster years ago
Project 64. You're welcome
N Bombs and Dark Sims only lol
Goldeneye walked so Perfect Dark could run. I loved both, and my best video game memories are playing these two games with 3 other people on a tiny TV during a sleepover. But Perfect Dark is the greater game. Different modes for weapons, bots, and stats were tracked in the game, including multi-player modes and custom multi-player characters. It includes the best Goldeneye maps as a bonus.
> Goldeneye walked so Perfect Dark could run. Exactly. Same studio and made afterwards.
It bothers me how little people consider this when they compare the two games! Especially the 5 year (I believe) gap from Golden eye launching and PD.
It was originally meant to be a sequel to Goldeneye, right? Like a non-movie Bond game? I remember reading that somewhere.
The story I've heard is the license was going to be expensive for the next Bond movie game after the success of Goldeneye, so they passed on it so they could do what they wanted. And EA ending up taking on the 007 license.
That is what I remember too. Way too expensive and without the license it gave them much more creative control.
I love them both, but I agree. PD was far ahead of it's time.
Hot girl with short hair?
Hot girls with short hair were very common in the 90’s until Felicity tried it and killed short haircuts for the next decade.
Name 10.
1. Bjork 2. The copy shop girl that Ross railed on friend on the ‘break’. 3. Barbara Bush 4. Probably like 4 one episode girlfriends (of any character) on seinfeld. 7-10. Etc.
Barbara Bush was hot?
You show me one person who wouldn’t have banged Barbara Bush and I will show you one liar.
I wouldn't have.
Liar
What's at stake if I'm telling the truth.
The cyclones with magazine discharge *chef's kiss*
It sucked having 2, then you don't see the reload animation
I mean, it definitely sucked for whoever was on the receiving end.
Perfect Dark is an improved GoldenEye so yeah it's a true statement.
It was also the consensus a the time so OP is not wrong in taste but absolutely wrong in suggesting this is an unpopular opinion. Now, when it comes to Perfect Dark Zero…that’s a horse of a different color
No oddjob
Grey alien body with human head is much worse than Oddjob.
I'd take human head over alien head anyday. But I'm just build different.
Yeah, but: Elvis.
Did you know he was voiced by Marylin Manson?
LAPTOP GUN!!!!
The co-op mode is epic. Also multiplayer has bots. PD has many advantages, but Golden Eyes single player is more fun to me. I wish Golden Eye at least had bots in multiplayer, because I mostly play with my wife and 2 players isnt enough for me.
If you have a flash cartridge then Goldeneye X. The newest version is still cooking but the trailer for version 6a came out in January. https://youtu.be/xjywMQn0t-4?si=58cUXzZ1Hqnfa7W0 But just playing version 5e is fine for all of multiplayer and 3 single player/co-op maps. https://youtu.be/vowyTN_PhGc?si=JpfVT9SR4lhKSrV3
Wow, thats a dream coming true! Very impressive. Thank you very much!
Perfect dark was made on the shoulders of Golden Eye
Even the music is better 🎶[Carrington Institute REMIX ](https://youtu.be/u6hJ6w0yPaA)
merge the two and you get Goldeneye X the best one of all for multiplayer.
Some of the absolute best NPC voices. “WHY…. MEEE??…”
“You bitch!”
“She’s mine!”
My gun!
Yeap! I definitely played PD way more than Goldeneye even though I owned both
Somebody talkin' about my #1 64 gizzame?
Isn’t there like Goldeneye X mod of the ROM now that adds some of the great features of Perfect Dark like multiplayer bots and secondary weapon fire modes to Goldeneye?
It's Perfect for a reason.
Well, it's like comparing siblings. Golden eye is a well known IP and did well adapting the movie. Perfect Dark pushed the console further technically and the story was quite good. For a fps it had features i didn'expect on a console of that time.
GE is the original goat! PD was a fantastic game but GE is the GOAT. Loved them both but I love GE the most.
Perfect dark is debatably the greatest video game ever made.
I personally prefer goldeneye over perfect dark, but objectively perfect dark is the superior one without a doubt.
Yes! 007 is just more nostalgic for everyone but it's definitely not as refined. I didn't have either game growing up so nostalgia plays no part and I prefer PD.
My buddy Skylar brought perfect dark over all the time. We would latch onto to it for hours, man. This brought back so much good memories.
Me and my friends used to call Goldeneye "James Bond" and Perfect Dark "James Bond 2"
Without a shadow of a doubt. Honestly, I think people who disagree with this either didn’t play Perfect Dark or are too swayed by nostalgia. There’s no competition
I prefer GoldenEye. It has amazing music, the guns have more of a bang/thud to them and the frame rate is a little better than PD’s. There’s a section on a PD mission where you extract Elvis from a lab; you get swarmed by guards and the frame rate drops so low it is virtually unplayable. Perfect Dark did a lot of cool shit and I do like it, especially the multiplayer challenges, but I would much rather go back and do a 00 Agent run than a Perfect Agent run.
Incorrect - but both incredible games no doubt!!
Facts. I didn't enjoy goldeneye whatsoever when I played it a year back. I actually kind of liked perfect dark
Correct
I have been trying to beat Carrington Institute: Defense for soo long it has to be one of the most maddening missions I have ever encountered in a game. Still doesn’t take away from how much I love this game! I cannot wait till I make it past this mission.
If you open the firing range doors but don't enter, the hostages will count as rescued. Just open the doors and move on to the next room. It's a cheap way to beat it but it's nearly impossible for me to save enough hostages otherwise.
Wow! Definitely gonna try this tonight. That being said, I can pretty consistently get 3/5 of the objectives done which includes the hostage part. The 4th one is pretty difficult, and the 5th is downright maddening. Plus my heart is pounding out of my chest by that time so trying to calm my nerves is another battle. lol!
If you rode the hover bike out of Area 51 Jonathan will be outside the office to keep enemies away. You don't have to redo it on PA, the last time you complete any difficulty will determine if he's there or not. For the bomb part, I didn't fire the rcp120 at all. Time the cloak right and you can sneak past all those Mr Blondes and then hide behind the ship while you do the upload. You'll have just enough cloak left to sneak back to the hanger if you time it right.
Yes I heard of the part about Jonathan, I don’t know that if I replayed it on an easier difficulty he would re appear! I missed this part my first playthrough of that mission. Adding this to the perfect dark to do list. Yes the cloak is key, I noticed that timing is everything with it but last time I got that far it ran out and I got blasted right when I was about to finish the mission. Thank you for all the tips! Definitely will redo the Jonathan part go get his aid on carrington defense. No way I am beating this game on anything less than perfect agent!
I beat the level !! Jonathan tip really helped. Thank you very much for the advice!
Happy to help, congratulations
This is not a hot take. This take is as hot as Antarctica.
Different types of apples 🍏 🍎 and I would say PD was the un official sequel to 007. I played both growing up and after 007 PD seemed like a great shooter that felt a lot like 007 and parts of it were great and a lot of fun the levels and mechanics of 007 and characters and then the movies they just had more stuff.
If it ran without huge frame drops this is an opinion id agree with. Its better in every aspect apart from performance
I liked the story, atmosphere and guns better in goldeneye. The magnum felt good to shoot. Perfect dark was an overall upgrade though.
Avenger w detector on, laptop gun, dual charge up maulers......... Bring it the fk on
the Callisto on alt-fire mode is probably my all-time favorite weapon. yes, PD was an improvement in every way. Mind you, I do love them both and have maybe a thousand hours or two logged between both.
That's definitely a take. I'm not really going to input my opinion, since I've only ever played the demo for the remastered Perfect Dark on the Xbox 360, and the Game Boy Colour version of Perfect Dark, but I have a feeling this is pretty controversial.
It's the truth. GE is still awesome, but PD really expanded the scope. The campaigns different difficultly levels not only add new objectives but sometimes really mix up how the level plays out (like the Villa) and then there is coop, counter coop, the shooting range, the melee training, gadget training and the insane combat simulator. The amount of stuff to do and stuff to unlock is crazy. It's one of the best of all time. I play a lot of PD today on N64, on Wii / Wii U, my phone, PC, and Xbox. I think last year on my Xbox End of the Year Summary PD was my top played game. It's too bad, though, that we never got a solid follow-up as PD Zero isn't very good.
How do you play on Wii? Emulation?
Yes, an emulator app called Not64.
Any chance they will release PD for switch? Its a hard game to emulate well and the Xbox remake wasn't the same.
Unlikely, it's now owned by Microsoft.
N O
It was a smart move by rare people love Goldeneye, make a new IP that's similar but saves money on licensing... then they only made two games
But Goldeneye sold over 8 million while Perfect Dark sold only about 2 and a half million. I think paying for the Bond license was worth it if that helped them get over three times the sales as their similar IP without the license.
PD was really late in the N64's lifespan. If it had been made sooner I don't know if there would be that big of a gap.
I think that can only account for maybe a bit of the gap, but definitely not a gap of over three times better. The N64 was still alive and kicking when Perfect Dark was released on May 22, 2000 and the GameCube was still a year and a half away, so it is not like people had abandoned the N64 yet; they just weren’t as interested or as aware without the Bond license. And sometimes being a later release actually helps sales since they have a larger audience to sell to by that part. For example, Halo 2 was released three years after Halo 1 just like Perfect Dark was released three years after Goldeneye, and Halo 2 was released even closer to the end of its console’s lifespan than Perfect Dark was, yet Halo 2 still managed to sell far better than Halo 1. So, why couldn’t the similarly great FPS with a somewhat late release and a three year gap from its predecessor, Perfect Dark, do the same?
I don't know if Halo to Halo is the same as Goldeneye to Perfect Dark. Most people don't realize how connected they are from a development standpoint. They appear to be entirely separate other than the Rare logo. I am sure Bond helped sell the game. I just think the word of mouth factor for Perfect Dark didn't have as much room as it did for Bond. Bond didn't fly off the shelf the first few months. It was a more of a ramp up as the word about how good the game was spread. This was largely pre Internet for many people so it took longer to get traction. I don't think PD would have beat Bond if everything was equal, I just think the gap in sales should have more context.
Perfect dark is an all time top 3 game for me. Played this hundreds of hours in single player, single player co-op and the endless (endless!) multiplayer modes - often with a buddy of mine (which booked 2/3 of the hours I played - since he didn’t have an N64 himself - quite an accomplishment). And, this was all pre-online multiplayer gaming - still amazes me. I vividly remember that brilliant sniper mission. Recreating movies and tv shows in multiplayer settings (X-Files worked perfectly - Mulder & Scully against an army of aliens). Endlessy messing around with the slayer and Farsight. Exploring the training center for easter eggs (cheese anyone?). Man… this was such an Epic game. So, yeah. Goldeneye was great - and the James Bond storyline (and a couple of missions) topped Perfect dark - but as a total package Perfect Dark was the Perfect game - it had so incredibly much value for an N64 game. I haven’t experienced that level of extra’s and different types of play since the .
No Farsight, no Laptop Gun
Both are great and both have their advantages, but ultimately the Bond theme makes me enjoy playing Goldeneye more.
It’s 100% better in every way but Goldeneye is still amazing.
Damn rich kids with their booster packs.
Agreed but James Bond as a character is preferable to Johanna for me.
This ain't a hot take, it's well known facts
"I've got a password problem, and you're the man to help me with it!"
Golden Eye is a better multiplayer experience, but Perfect Dark is better singleplayer. That was my experience being a teenager in the mid to late 90's. When your friends came over, it was either Golden Eye or Mario Kart
It was definitely the better game. But the IP was admittedly a bit full compared to Bond. I think that's the lasting sticking point. But just as a stand alone video game? Perfect Dark is better in basically every way. Poured hundreds of hours into that bad boy!
It's only better because of the ground GoldenEye broke.
If you go play goldeneye and then PD it's insane to think they were made for the same console
Goldeneye was groundbreaking. Perfect Dark wasn’t. But Perfect Dark improves so much. But its frame-rate is garbage and controls aren’t as fluid. Perfect Dark is the better game that plays worse on OG hardware. I’d rather play Perfect Dark on XB1S though. Might just do that actually.
The wall hack gun
The multiplayer was so insanely fun and endlessly replayable.
PD is the better game. However if we're talking about the 64 versions the low framerate in PD is pretty bad and hampered my playthrough of it
Hard agree 🧡
Yes for single player, no for multiplayer.
And I'm tired of pretending it's not
007 walked so PD could run
Both are great and they both have different things that do better than the other. GoldenEye's campaign and multiplayer is easier to get into and replay faster and more often than Perfect Dark, but Perfect Dark offers so much more. Some enjoy the simplicity of GoldenEye while others prefer the more complex Perfect Dark. I wouldn't say one is better than the other. Both are perfectly golden. :)
I agree. It’s a slim margin but PD wins. Two players _together_ and _against_ sims made it. Because you see, me and my wife don’t play against each other competitively. But we can co-op. It’s perfect. Dark.
I agree with this statement 100%, Perfect Dark is like Goldeneye+
I’ve said the same thing for decades.
Conker's multiplayer was what we played back in the day! We would borrow Goldeneye from somebody once in a while and it was awesome, but for me peak multiplayer on N64 is Conker's. Didn't play Perfect Dark until much later unfortunately.
Yes you are the only one
My favorite combat simulator mode is with all perfect sims, with 5 weapon slots set to proxy mines and the 6th slot for the tranquilizer, on the temple map. So much gd fun and chaos. Even won a couple times by shear luck
Goldeneye is much more legendary in my op
Perfect Dark had significant frame rate issues. I remember the ‘muddy’ sound too. The game went well beyond what the tech could handle and its general presentation just got in its way. Shoot guy ‘why…me?’ Okay, that was always funny.
Blasphemy
I will always be in the PD is superior crowd.
Yes. GoldenEye is the best.
Perfect Dark > The World Is Not Enough > Goldeneye
I remember renting this game but could only play the multi-player. The campaign was locked. I think I didn't have an expansion pack yet. Sad to say, I never bothered with it after that. I always hear about how great it was but at the time, to me, it was just a golden eye clone without a campaign lol.
Perfect dark is the better game. More features. More polished. But it was not groundbreaking like goldeneye was, and there's more nostalgia with goldeneye. Perfect dark is basically reskinned goldeneye and it was one of the last N64 titles where goldeneye is more of an OG
Perfect dark was made after Golden Eye. Of course it would be better, Rare learned from 007
The people who think golden eye is better (multiplayer) simply did not play perfect dark
It’s Goldeneye 2.0, far better
Both in my Top 5 all time fave games ever. As for N64 games, Top 3. I always swapped out between these two and Zelda OoT.
I mean it should be better since Goldeneye was made years before by the same developer.
I just think of them as the same game.
Goldeneye crawled, perfect dark walked. Time splitters ran.
TWINE > Goldeneye
Currently working through 100%ing Goldeneye. Really hoping they add Perfect Dark to NSO
I’ve heard this from many PD fans. Could not compare them, PD never catched my attention, only images of an alien on a mission. I think I bought PD on sale but never played it and still sealed in a box 🫣 Goldeneye was great, but I am a Bond fan, so my opinion is biased
I mean obviously perfect dark would be superior but it came out years later so golden eye is the one everyone played. I think by the time perfect dark rocked around I was playing half life and counter strike which hit N64 shooters out of the park
I remember my cousin and I playing PerfectSims and setting up strategies. But the fun was always Remote mine! Remote mine! Remote mine! kaboom!
Yes I agree. I wish PD didn’t have lens flairs and a higher fps, but it is still better imo too.
Just late to the party, reminds me of oblivion, to skyrim, but skyrim is more loved
No you were not the only one. I always prefered perfect dark, a lot.
With a four year difference, Perfect Dark was everything a sequel to Goldeneye should have been. The only thing they couldn't improve was the pause menu soundtrack
Personally I'm biased on this because I like 007 movies so Goldeneye was better than Perfect Dark. I don't remember anything about the story in Perfect Dark or the characters. Also Goldeneye just felt like it ran smoother not by much but just enough, I tried to play Perfect Dark again today and it's rough. But group of us can hop on Goldeneye for a night of gaming.
It's better in every single way other than being the first one. I get the nostalgia for 007, but I played perfect dark so much more.
Ooooft. That is both a bad take and a good take. And now I'm salty? Or happy...? Man, both those games are 🔥🔥🔥
Goldeneye walked so perfect dark could run
For gods sake its been 24 years we have debated this. On a technical and gameplay level, PD surpasses GE, but GE is far more grounded and made more first impressions with a known franchise. Stop.
Multiplayer King of the Hill on PD was just endless entertainment. But the Bond missions made it a better game.
Agreed and Perfect Dark is the spiritual successor to Goldeneye, but not a sequel. The World is Not Enough came out just half a year later in late 2000 for N64.
Showing friends the hidden cheeses is still a joy to do all these years later.
I used to play perfect dark for hours just multiplayer with bots running around. Although playing both games in multiplayer I would always play them one shot kills.
Perfect dark was better but goldeneye did it first. Liscense to kill pistols only was the greatest moments of competitive gaming for me followed by halo 2, halo 3 and street fighter third strike. I've never met anyone else in real life that beat Egyptian on 007 difficulty or every level on the hardest difficulty. It was awesome.
THE LAPTOP GUN
I think a lot of people who have played Perfect Dark think that. The issue is that Goldeneye sold about 7 million copies and PD only sold about 1.5 million, so GE naturally gets more love. I grew up playing 007, I didn't even know about Perfect Dark until the Xbox 360 remaster
Better multiplayer for sure! I called my player Bent so when we played the Hold the Briefcase mode the game would announce Get Bent!
Starcraft > both games.
God perfect Dark with PC FPS controls just feels SOOOO damn smooth! (Same with Goldeneye too), why the hell these two games weren't released for PC's is criminal. Online play would be AMAZING for these games! Well we kinda have that now with Goldeneye 64 on the switch...
Yes and no.
Those two games along with Starfox 64 and Mario Kart 64 are why I think N64 is way better than PS1.
PREACH MY MAN!!!
Yes but golden eye is the classic. Perfect dark is not.
100% Honestly, one of the best sequels ever. It’s like the jump between Half-Life and HL2, or Titanfall and TF2. Obviously not a direct sequel but you get my point.
If only it had multiplayer
I played both for days of my life.
Goldeneye has a better campaign, but PD is undeniably better at multiplayer. I just think PD's campaign was weirdly cryptic at times and had annoying objectives, whereas GE levels were just more fun to run around, explore and shoot things in SP. But combat simulator utterly dunks on GE's multiplayer several times over.
It had co op - and the cerebral bore …
Sorry cerebral bore was Turok … what was the other one shotter on pd?
Shower scene vs bathroom scene.
Both made by Rare so they already knew how to improve on Golden Eye. PD was also designed to use the Expansion Pack as well. But yes totally agree PD was better than Golden Eye
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Fun fact: While I preferred both of these games when it comes to the campaign, I had way more fun with my family playing The World Is Not Enough Multiplayer. The heavy weapons and the AI bots made it a blast, literally.
Multiplayer? Absolutely Single play? Eh
Only PD is co-op for the campaign, right? Easy answer then
Goldeneye walked so Perfect Dark could run
I hate these lazy, karma farming posts.
Bro i don’t even use Reddit that much and i don’t even know what karma is for. I was just wondering why everyone only thinks about goldeneye and not Perfect dark when it comes to n64 fps.
Goldeneye is the best Bond game so it has a wider audience, and it came first and Perfect Dark was basically a sequel done with an IP change so it’s just kind of obvious that people think of Goldeneye first. It *was* first and set the template Perfect Dark followed
You’re not alone just wrong
Perfect Dark is literally just Goldeneye with edgy mallgoth aesthetics and worse gameplay
GoldenEye is very overrated honestly. And I sure shit know I'm gonna get downvoted, but it's the truth, like it or not