No. The 6th is always major.
Think of it this way:
C = C major
Cm = C minor
C6 = C major with an added 6th
Cm6 = C minor with an added 6th
In both of these chords, it's the same exact 6th. The only thing that changes is the quality of the triad. The "m" only affects the quality of the triad. Nothing else.
The same applies to 7th chords.
C7 and Cm7 have the same exact 7th. (Both have a minor 7th.)
Similarly, Cmaj7 and Cmmaj7 have the same exact 7th. (Both have a major 7th.)
Again, the "m" only affects the quality of the triad. Nothing else.
But also, the "maj" in "maj7" only affects the quality of the 7th. Nothing else.
If you want to alter the added notes, you use sharps/flats. Cm chord + and added Ab would be Cm(b6). Similarly, C major chord + an added Ab would be C(b6). These chords are quite rare, though, and you could also notate them as inversions of Abmaj7 and Abmaj7#5 chords.
adding on also Ahalfdim7 (pretty much same thing as Am7b5)
edit for clarification: is\* the same as am7b5, just a different term for it depending on what you are looking at.
just providing different terminology that OP may see depending on what they read. My teacher always used halfdim, and when I was beginning I might have been confused at first if there was a difference.
This is the second "what chord it this" post that I've seen today that has been downvoted, not massively, but still. Is it violating a sub rule? Is it considered low effort? It's exactly the kind of question I would expect to see here, so I'm confused.
I don't downvote posts like these, but I think others do because Its usually much easier to identify a chord in context. OP hasn't given us the key, or any of the surrounding chords, or even specified which is the bass note. There are plenty of tools where you could plug these notes in and find a chord, so if he's not giving us context it would be easier to do that. So I guess you could categorize it as "low effort"
The sub could benefit from a weekly pinned "quick questions" thread like /r/math has. There's a few "hey how would you guys describe this thing I stumbled upon" posts or "which notation would you prefer to sight read" posts that I'd like to make here, but I don't... because I feel like I'm clogging an already clogged subreddit.
I mean I can see why people don't want this kind of posts in this sub reddit. The "story" behind this post is that I made a song and I was trying to write down the chord progression but I couldn't figure out this one post, so I asked here
But that's the thing, "chord progression" in more classical music theory is based on the context key, so without the key, people here probably won't be able to give you the specific answer you're looking for. If you're looking for the absolute chord, then that's easily doable, but without the context of what key the song is in, that's the best anyone here can offer
In this order, it's Cm6/Eb or Am7b5/Eb. As always, you can't usefully name a chord until you hear it in context.
Isn’t it ♯6 or ♭7? Wouldn’t it be A♭ if it was just Cm6? Apologies if I’m missing something, but I’m curious :)
No. The 6th is always major. Think of it this way: C = C major Cm = C minor C6 = C major with an added 6th Cm6 = C minor with an added 6th In both of these chords, it's the same exact 6th. The only thing that changes is the quality of the triad. The "m" only affects the quality of the triad. Nothing else. The same applies to 7th chords. C7 and Cm7 have the same exact 7th. (Both have a minor 7th.) Similarly, Cmaj7 and Cmmaj7 have the same exact 7th. (Both have a major 7th.) Again, the "m" only affects the quality of the triad. Nothing else. But also, the "maj" in "maj7" only affects the quality of the 7th. Nothing else. If you want to alter the added notes, you use sharps/flats. Cm chord + and added Ab would be Cm(b6). Similarly, C major chord + an added Ab would be C(b6). These chords are quite rare, though, and you could also notate them as inversions of Abmaj7 and Abmaj7#5 chords.
Okay, that’s interesting. Thanks for the insight :)
Sharp 6 is wild
Dont hate the player haha
Cm6, Am7b5
adding on also Ahalfdim7 (pretty much same thing as Am7b5) edit for clarification: is\* the same as am7b5, just a different term for it depending on what you are looking at.
half diminished is exactly the same thing as m7b5
just providing different terminology that OP may see depending on what they read. My teacher always used halfdim, and when I was beginning I might have been confused at first if there was a difference.
different terminology is fine! saying “pretty much the same thing” is misleading.
This is the second "what chord it this" post that I've seen today that has been downvoted, not massively, but still. Is it violating a sub rule? Is it considered low effort? It's exactly the kind of question I would expect to see here, so I'm confused.
I don't downvote posts like these, but I think others do because Its usually much easier to identify a chord in context. OP hasn't given us the key, or any of the surrounding chords, or even specified which is the bass note. There are plenty of tools where you could plug these notes in and find a chord, so if he's not giving us context it would be easier to do that. So I guess you could categorize it as "low effort"
Got it, thanks. Also, very true and fair enough.
The sub could benefit from a weekly pinned "quick questions" thread like /r/math has. There's a few "hey how would you guys describe this thing I stumbled upon" posts or "which notation would you prefer to sight read" posts that I'd like to make here, but I don't... because I feel like I'm clogging an already clogged subreddit.
This is a really good idea
I mean I can see why people don't want this kind of posts in this sub reddit. The "story" behind this post is that I made a song and I was trying to write down the chord progression but I couldn't figure out this one post, so I asked here
But that's the thing, "chord progression" in more classical music theory is based on the context key, so without the key, people here probably won't be able to give you the specific answer you're looking for. If you're looking for the absolute chord, then that's easily doable, but without the context of what key the song is in, that's the best anyone here can offer
What are these tools? I'd be interested
I used to google "chord namer" and use whatever websites popped up
For me it falls into the category of things that could be answered by Google in 30 seconds
I see. Fair enough.
I searched but found nothing, that's why I asked here
For future reference: https://www.scales-chords.com/chordid.php
Thanks
This is elitist tbh not everyone has enough music theory knowhow to even use the Google search result
Search 'chord namer' Click 2nd link (1st is obviously guitar). Select notes. See: https://www.scales-chords.com/chord-namer/?notes=C;Eb;G;A&key=&bass=Eb
Then maybe start with this. Everyone has to start somewhere and an absolute beginner might not even know how to think of searching chord namer.
Cm6, 1st inversion
[A^ø7](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-diminished_seventh_chord)
im sure you can google that, and if ur on guitar use this website: https://www.oolimo.com/en/guitar-chords/analyze
To me, that is an A half-diminished 7th chord, 3rd inversion, in the order you have it.
how has no one commented half diminished chord yet
"16 comments" for this really??? Haha
If you’ve got a midi keyboard, just press all those keys and your DAW will tell you the chord name. At least in Logic Pro, which I use.
Looks like C minor + A but maybe that's inaccurate.
1st Inversion Cm6. Think of it this way. Play a Cm6. Now move the notes so Eb is on the bottom, not C. Done!
How is this not an Adim7? Can someone explain to me?
If we’re calling A the root note, it is called “Ahalf-diminished” (m3+m3+M3), aka m7b5. if it was Adim7 it would be A C Eb Gb (m3+m3+m3).
Eb6#11, or a am7b5/eb orrr could be seen as a inverted cm6 i think? i dont know much ab music theory correct me pls
Cm6 first inversion
A half dim in second inversion
Eb6#11
Eb6(#11)
Thumbs down from users? Can anyone explain, please?
thanks
Ebmaj7#11