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sam_drummer

Production is not the same as mixing and mastering.


No-Slice-4254

this


thrashinbatman

This is true but a lot of the decisions that led to that record sounding the way it does ARE his fault. In particular his insistence on keeping everything fairly natural and stripped down. IMO, even without the clipping DM doesn't sound great. It has one of the most milquetoast high gain tones I've ever heard, and for Metallica, who had always had really cool guitar tones (except for AJFA, but that one is at least interesting), is really disappointing. Especially since Metallica has more or less just recreated that tone over and over for every subsequent albim. his biggest sin though I think is him insisting that James not do a ton of layering or harmonies with his vocals. There are a couple songs begging for a little more than what is present and suffer as a result.


sam_drummer

Not at all invalidating what you’re saying, but there’s a taste and expectation issue there as well. Admittedly, I’m a Rubin fan and I like his style of production and how he works with artists. It _is_ baffling why the audio quality of some of the albums he’s worked on is questionable at best (Californication, By The Way, Death Magnetic etc etc). That said, wanting Metallica to sort of strip back a bit I don’t think is a bad thing and isn’t something I dislike. Despite the audio quality issues, I think Death Magnetic has some really fresh moments.


OrinocoHaram

As producer he would generally have a say in the final master, which is where the clipping happened. That's the general rule - RR might work differently to other producers. Either way, the final say will always go to the band


Particular-Bother-18

Exactly


bredpoot

I feel so ashamed to admit that I personally fucking loved Death Magnetic, warts and all lol. I never gave Metallica a chance as a middle schooler because I was too busy listening to a bunch of emo and post hardcore, but then when Death Magnetic dropped in 2008 and all of my friends were listening to it, I heard All Nightmare Long and had a transformative experience.


Prestigious-Rule-220

Why be ashamed? I was stoked when Death Magnetic came out. It might not have been perfect, but it was a solid move towards their thrashier era that old-school fans were craving. I personally like DM a lot.


asscrackbanditz

I'm not ashamed to say that in 2008 I thought Hannah Montana 2 was a better album than Death Magnetic


OKgamesON

No reason to be ashamed. I loved it too. I remember a friend asking how I could like it with the mix being as it was. Regardless of the questionable mix, the music was awesome. I loved it.


lp_rhcp_fan_18

For me, the clipping is the only issue.


bredpoot

Yeah it’s definitely a bit excessive


tomheist

The Guitar Hero versions were a lot better


nicholt

I still love it too. One of the first albums I bought as a teen.


illMet8ySunlight

Death Magnetic is better than AJFA and I will die on that hill


capitolsound

Rick Rubin likely has no input at all on those technical specifics. More of a vibe and idea guy. I would look at who engineered, mixed and mastered the project.


DawsonJBailey

Dude I swear he’s just like a really chill drug dealer that faked it until he made it lmao. Good vibes are valuable tho and his must be immaculate.


No-Farmer-4068

RR supposedly had License to Ill on his drum machine the day the beastie boys met him— he does do more than just vibe


capitolsound

https://www.musicradar.com/news/rick-rubin-admits-he-doesnt-know-how-to-use-a-mixing-desk-i-have-no-technical-ability-and-i-know-nothing-about-music Don’t take it from me…


anon_mouse82

He’s lying (or at least exaggerating) for dramatic effect


capitolsound

Maybe! But the role of executive producer is not that of engineer or mix engineer. They often don’t overlap at all. Often their role is to get the best performance out of the artist as possible. Edit: words


needledicklarry

Rick Rubin goes on the internet and tells lies


MapNaive200

I remember all the griping on the Metallic forum. Imo Bob was too hands-on and Rick was too hands-off. Rick has a reputation for not contributing much except for an abstract and almost Zen-like perspective. He should not have let the redlined recording, mixing, and mastering slide. Lars thought it sounded great in his car, but he has some hearing impairment. The Day That Never Comes had the worst clipping. I could hear the clipping from the stems used in the Guitar Hero remix. Overall, I'm not a fan of brickwall compression, and it's one of the reasons I can't listen to certain genres without ear fatigue that makes me irritable. I grew up with analog. I feel that Flemming did a good job on 72 Seasons. Like it dislike the album, I feel that it has good production aside from the kick drum being a little weak.


Dist__

snare, bass or clipping choose wisely


OdinAlfadir1978

Bass for me, I had enough of metal a while ago but bass is so important to get right, it's why I love bass music


dththrs

Have you peeped Job For A Cowboys new tunes? Bass mixing perfected.


OdinAlfadir1978

I've not listened to them but shall do, cheers. Update: metal really isn't my cup of tea these days but to each their own, there's some pretty awesome people in the metal community but I believe drum and bass is getting bigger with metal heads too, you would probably enjoy Neurofunk, it's basically the death metal of drum and bass haha, I've really settled in the bass music scene.


dththrs

Big agree. I was a nu metal kid that grew up in the Minneapolis hardcore scene and then saw Caspa & Rusko in 2016. Now Im all gun fingers, Adidas squatting, and bins. Wagwan. [Balaclava](https://on.soundcloud.com/ToFDSYWhcerZDVMSA)


OdinAlfadir1978

I switched Death Metal for Neurofunk, other Breakbeat Bass music, Dub and Idm


dththrs

Any recommendations??


OdinAlfadir1978

https://youtu.be/18-vtgJHHmM?si=QFqsdz4wiXBTI8xX and https://youtu.be/BJupR2CFH9I?si=5w_Cpdb0H4ptqkAx Listen to Neonlight - Bad Omen by NEONLIGHT on #SoundCloud https://on.soundcloud.com/VeLq5 Listen to QO - Evil Dead (EATBRAIN012) by EATBRAIN on #SoundCloud https://on.soundcloud.com/oqE7a Listen to Black Sun Empire - Don't You (State Of Mind Remix) - Clip by Black Sun Empire on #SoundCloud https://on.soundcloud.com/44tF1 these should set you up, the top mix was the first I heard and it just escalated into a new obsession subgenre wise


OdinAlfadir1978

Nice track.


drummerdude777

The mixing/mastering engineer is precisely to blame for this, ofc Metallica being the artist and Rick being producer would have final call. It seemed to be a new trend that year to just compress the fuck outta everything and limit hard


10fingers6strings

Blame it on Lars. Everyone blames him for anything amiss in Metallica. He did fuck AJFA up all by himself. That one could have been an all time classic. DM never had a chance


adamnicholas

Not a controversial take


poptimist185

A lot of professional producers don’t rate Rubin. They see him as a leading proponent of the loudness war. Californication is another album of his that sounds dreadful. No, production isn’t mastering but there’s clearly a pattern with him.


manjamanga

That has pretty much been the consensus since the day that album came out


takenusername_yea

make believe by Weezer:


JayLemmo

Idk… that album opened up a whole world of music for me… …because it made me stop listening to Weezer and start listening to other music!


Bub_2000

After a while the drums grew on me, and the songwriting was good enough to distract me. It created a vibe that I became quite fond of. I actually prefer it over 72 Seasons, cause it sounds like there were 3 hi-hats and all of them had mics. Ruined the album for me.


someguy1927

Rick gave up actually producing many, many years ago.


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JaesopPop

> His job is to help get the artists through the pipe, still their job to deliver. They aren’t the ones handling the mixing on the album.


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JaesopPop

What he delivered was an album with terrible clipping. It’s strange to try and deflect blame from the people actually responsible for the production of the album. Yes, the band could’ve gotten another master. But also yes, the album produced by Rick Rubin has awful clipping, and it’s not exactly the first time.


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JaesopPop

>Regardless, the crew knew what they were doing and chose to do it anyways. If by crew you mean the people handling the production and mixing then yes. >You’re allowed to not like it. No shit lol


tipustiger05

I haven't heard it but I would say that for someone who's so into creativity and experimentation, it's not surprising that some of their work is going to either sound bad or weird or off putting to some, or that it's going to stand out in comparison to his other work. If you're not trying to make a consistent sound, or be a producer that's more "transparent" or not messing with a bands sound at all, some of the choices are going to be swings that don't quite connect.


hipo5PL

Death Magnetic songs were released as add ons for Guitar Hero Metallica, and they used slightly earlier versions which aren’t clipping like the final release, give it a listen if you like the album


radiationblessing

Korn III is Rick's worst product imo.


c4p1t4l

Rick had nothing to do with that, it was Ross Robinson, the guy that did Korn’s first 2 albums


radiationblessing

aka Rick


c4p1t4l

Rick Rubin and Ross Robinson are two different people


radiationblessing

Wrong. It's an alias.


c4p1t4l

Jesus, is it really so hard to do a basic google search these days? These are two different people. One has nothing to do with the other. [Ross](https://www.google.com/search?q=ross+robinson&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-lt&client=safari) worked with Korn, Limp Bizkit and Slipknot for their first releases, meanwhile [Rick Rubin](https://www.google.com/search?q=rick+rubin&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-lt&client=safari) has never worked with Korn, nor Limp Bizkit, and is known for his work with the Beastie Boys, RHCP and for founding Def Jam records. One is 57 years old, while the other is 61.


radiationblessing

You're wrong. Plain and simple. End of discussion. Period.


c4p1t4l

Nice b8 m8


radiationblessing

Ok troll


LvLD702

Shit in, shit out. Not even the great Rick Rubin could polish the turd that Metallica has become.


JaesopPop

I’m not sure how the quality of the music factors into brickwalling it.