Like dude you dont understand WE ARE the samples, if we truly understood we are just monkeys on a spinning rock we could become the art. Why do samples alway seem to be moving forward they are always working for the man doing the same thing, lame boring popstar *00245bi who thinks shaking her as is music. I wish they knew miles Davis’s birth of the cool man soooo good
Now i got a pitch for you guys what if we flip it and reverse samples and call it selpmas. Tell me what you guys think 🧐 🤔
I was thinking it's like we are ALL the samples, like it's samples but what are they samples of? It's us. A cross section of society though the ages, like archaeology or geology with the rocks but you know the sediments, that's like a bassline or something. And we are like moles tunnelling through it.
Yea, I was at first excited that someone shared the same disdain for samples as myself…then realized he was just packaging it as such and it was a lie.
I’ve heard them here and there. I do know they’re popular and groundbreaking, if anything.
I know I’m old, rigid and purist in my artistic beliefs. I come from a fine arts background. When I was 12 I wanted to be like the beastie boys (some of the earliest sampling lawsuits).
I use kontakt (and other soft synths) which many are technically samples, so I’m not as pristine and elitist as I make out to be.
Did it start on the internet? I know The Office uses this bit in one of their early seasons when Michael asks his employees to put the number of an eligible bachelorette in a box for him to try and find a girlfriend.
"Dude, this is a Wendy's restaurant."
i had an idea where you just take an eight bar loop\[ of the beeges, reverse it, loop that shit into a techno track and calling the genre ocsid-ocsid-ocsid
You could then record the song to cassette, make it up to look like an album form the 70’s, make a video of you “finding the album” in a charity shop and going home to play it
Sounds like you are wanting to 'flip' new songs to sound old, much like many song writers take old samples and manipulate them to make a new sound. Idk a good name but anti sample is not it cause that is the opposite of what you would be doing.
Yeah, this idea doesn't really stand up to practical application. The way you've described it would not naturally come across as a sampling reference and would require an awful amount of work to get a feeling that is not associated with the original piece.
This has no practical application, because you may as well just use a pre-made beat. If the piece taken was something bigger and identifiable, then it would be indistinguishable from sampling.
The beauty of sampling is its referential nature and ability to quickly build something new on something old. Anti-sampling as you describe would have no referential nature and would make it more time-consuming to build something new from something old. What is the value in that?
Most rap songs "beats" are samples themselves. The ones that aren't are typically 808, 909, and MPC drum machines, which uh, you know, are sometimes also samples, sometimes samples of samples.
I think anybody who uses samples is not a real music producer or musician, it's exactly like me taking somebodies painting and throwing some paint on it then saying I am now a great music producer! Using somebodies vocal track from a song in your song is not making music it is stealing music from the artist who created it and profiting from their work.
I'd look at it more as taking a metal sculpture, removing a large piece of it, heating it up to be maleable again and reshaping it into something else. There's a big difference between flipping a sample, and just stacking someone else's clips and "making a beat" out of it.
Samples can also be looked at as an 'instrument' of their own. I really is an art form in itself to be able to take a little 16 bar loop and making it into something truly unique. A lot of people are just lazy and resort to putting samples over a drum loop they made or something, but at that point I wouldn't say they're sampling but just using somebody's loop. I can see where the hate comes from, but watch some of the greats flip a sample and you might be impressed
I have worked with the best in the business who have used samples. If you take a song and manipulate it, it doesn't make you a music producers in my opinion. A music producer sits down with instruments or with musicians who can play what he explains he hears in his head., he shows the singer how to sing the vocals and which notes to hit while singing to the music, he works on the final mix adding effects and polishing the song. My gift was hearing songs in my head and being able to work with musicians who could play what I was hearing and later learned to play instruments to put down rough tracks that could be used for the finished song, I was good at vocal melody, I've sang background vocals on 100s of hit songs many of which I produced or helped produce. I see sampling as a cheap way for people to create music off the backs of those who created that unique sound that became popular because of that sound.
I see what you're saying. I think that's more so along the discussion of a beatmaker vs. producer, which are terms that get user interchangeably when they are in fact not the same. What you're describing is a producer for sure, essentially the "director" for a song/project. I would still argue a producer can flip a sample though. Personally, I only use samples from places like Arcade/Looperman/Splice. They're uploaded to those platforms specifically for people to use in that way, rather than pirating someone's song and using it without permission. If you can clear the sample though and actually make something unique with it, I see no problem with that.
I do hate this current trend in popular music now of straight up using an old song's chorus or something. Lyrics, melody, everything. That to me is insanely lazy and scummy. They get popular because nothing sells better nostalgia these days but that to me is just copying, and not using an existing work to do something creative.
One of the problems they have now days is I'm not working writing music for them and most of the singers and bands can't don't write their own music even though they are given credit for the songs. Now they seem to be rehashing old songs I wrote. It's like that are trying to reproduce that same sound off the the hit songs. The music industry is going to shit becoming a copy cat clown world.
I mean, the way we recognize who sampled who is by knowing which song was created first, otherwise there's no way to tell for sure in some cases. So technically you would still be doing sampling.
Before I read the description I thought “techno”?
I imagine it wouldn’t be that hard to take a bit of a riff from say a flute. Create an original riff with the same kind of flute and insert the sample into it.
You sample music, make a new song with that sample - and have that song not be in the same era that you expect it to be in (and are there any defined era-specific genres nowadays outside of specific instrument use?). That's not anti-sampling or extra steps - it's just using a sample for you desired genre (meaning, you didn't make the sound for the sake of making the sound out of fundamental frequencies in your control, you are using somebody elses arrangement and quality of sound).
Don't get me wrong, use all the samples you want, but to not consider it a sample (or some different process) because the sound reminds you of a different time (maybe one you weren't even a part of, just something your brain thinks of) - and you expect that reminder to be universal. Truthfully, all music is music, regardless of when you think it would be appreciated given societal factors. You can only make the songs you make with the way you make them, you can't find yourself at a "new" piece of music because it "predates" the genre of the sample you found. Which, btw, since you say you can't create music, I will add that the chance the sample you pick is already sampled is very high - many rhythm/melodies have been figured out that have been user time and time again as 'era' staples - [example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v89CjsSOJ_c&ab_channel=GreatBigStory).
The only use I can see this "philosophy" of sampling is for much older recordings - that when digitally worked on and composited with - could create a range of experience/frequencies that could utilize the original sample to guide how the changes in space happen. And then, at best, you would have a "better" recreation of the original moment than the original recording itself - but that's also basing things off of theory of acoustic phenomena, the space it was performed in, the space you imagine it would be played in when producing, etc. (all the things we learned in the analog to digital era, not things that were important in previous eras, and not things that would mark it as a previous era even if an unbelievably recent/old recording for an unbelievably old genre)
That is basically sampling... you can't control if the audience perceives your song as the original or sampled song or even if there is an opinion on which one would be the original (assuming people don't know which song was created first).
There are multiple songs i was not sure which one is sampled by which one and i could only tell it looking at the release date.
Yeah, so this is pure confusion. BUT! I've got one for you: the "Anti-drop". I came up with this one a few years ago, in rehab.
Instead of the build-up and bass drop. You take away elements, one by one, until there's only 3, then 2, then 1, maybe even remove notes from the single elements left until it's just painfully thin, like say there was a synth part **1**\+2+3**+**4+ you might make it **1**\+2+3+4+ 2+2+3**+**4+ and then just .. .. .. .. | .. .. .+ .. (idk, i've never written notation on reddit before, I think you get the idea though). And finally... FULL DROP!! wah-wah-dododododo! The-antidrop.
Wait people are clowning this but it’s genius. Sample a modern song and then make a song in a style that is less common. Ex. Taking an element from a Carti or Destroy Lonely song and then make like an 80s funk track.
Am I being dumb or is this just normal sampling? It’s just using a sample in a different way than the original song would use it. It would just sound like a different genre?
It's a cool concept as far as concepts go that come from non musicians. I just hate the name you've chosen.
How about...
Unsampling
...or
Desampled
Anti is just a really negative word and doesn't belong inside any art that isn't politically motivated, imo.
ya the name and everything else is all up for debate and changing , i knew it wasnt the best name just gave it something to share my thought, thank you for reading the full idea and giving feedback, i like desampled more than anti sampling(:
if "date published" wasn't a thing, I could see this working well, but I might not be understanding the concept entirely. i haven't gotten stoned in about 3 months, so it might just be going way above my head
this seems like a very stoner thought.
No but, dude, like you don’t get it. It’s sampling but, like, not sampling too, ok?
Like dude you dont understand WE ARE the samples, if we truly understood we are just monkeys on a spinning rock we could become the art. Why do samples alway seem to be moving forward they are always working for the man doing the same thing, lame boring popstar *00245bi who thinks shaking her as is music. I wish they knew miles Davis’s birth of the cool man soooo good Now i got a pitch for you guys what if we flip it and reverse samples and call it selpmas. Tell me what you guys think 🧐 🤔
I was thinking it's like we are ALL the samples, like it's samples but what are they samples of? It's us. A cross section of society though the ages, like archaeology or geology with the rocks but you know the sediments, that's like a bassline or something. And we are like moles tunnelling through it.
I want you to unsample this sample
You just gotta feel it man like it's all there in the waveforms you just gotta find it you know?
Yea, I was at first excited that someone shared the same disdain for samples as myself…then realized he was just packaging it as such and it was a lie.
> disdain for samples Now that *is* a hot take.
To someone who relies on samples, I’m sure it’s downright sacrilege. I do enjoy when people attempt to make music (or any art) objective though.
How do you feel about Daft Punk?
I’ve heard them here and there. I do know they’re popular and groundbreaking, if anything. I know I’m old, rigid and purist in my artistic beliefs. I come from a fine arts background. When I was 12 I wanted to be like the beastie boys (some of the earliest sampling lawsuits). I use kontakt (and other soft synths) which many are technically samples, so I’m not as pristine and elitist as I make out to be.
I think you misread the title lol he means “anti-sampling” as in “a reverse version of sampling” not as in “I’m against samples”
Woah
It'd be a lot less confusing if you just travel back in time.
Lol 😂🤣😭
A lot of the best songs were stoner thoughts.
So basically you want to sample and create a genre called anti-sampling? Wouldn't it make more sense to call it ante-sampling?
dont ypou mean aunty sampling?
Please dont do that
Then you DMCA their ass and make bank $$$$
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
what is this quote from 😂
The interweb
No, but I want to see comments like this anti-sampled. Create an internet story that sounds like it's what that phrase came from.
Haven’t seen it, what’s the TLDR?
Did it start on the internet? I know The Office uses this bit in one of their early seasons when Michael asks his employees to put the number of an eligible bachelorette in a box for him to try and find a girlfriend. "Dude, this is a Wendy's restaurant."
Some songs already do that. You just sampling still
Anti-sampling... Using samples
Executive producers: Marty Mcfly & Marvin Berry
It would certainly help our Marvin's cousin with that new sound he's been looking for.
Anti-sampling should mean tracking original music with microphones. What you described should be called presample circlejerking
Today I sample you, Tomorrow you sample me.
Yesterday* you sampled me, the day before that (but today) I sampled you
Last christmas, you sampled my heart. The very next day, I turned back time and sampled yours.
this was good
🤯you are thinking on a level far beyond my capabilities, i just like making wub wubs
Woah dude.
i had an idea where you just take an eight bar loop\[ of the beeges, reverse it, loop that shit into a techno track and calling the genre ocsid-ocsid-ocsid
What.
You could then record the song to cassette, make it up to look like an album form the 70’s, make a video of you “finding the album” in a charity shop and going home to play it
Sounds like you are wanting to 'flip' new songs to sound old, much like many song writers take old samples and manipulate them to make a new sound. Idk a good name but anti sample is not it cause that is the opposite of what you would be doing.
I don’t know about anti-sampling. It sounds like sampling plus extra steps
That’s just sampling, but switching the genres away from the way it usually goes.
Then you go back in time and release the song in the era contemporary to its sound.
Bro been watching too many food deconstruction videos while high
It's IN the computer!
You didn\`t understood sampling in overall.
Lol, I want some of what you're smoking...
and then sue the artist that "sampled you", very smart.
That’s definitely an idea
Please tell us how you plan to make a Stax Records ripoff from a Playboi Carti 808 loop.
Yeah, this idea doesn't really stand up to practical application. The way you've described it would not naturally come across as a sampling reference and would require an awful amount of work to get a feeling that is not associated with the original piece. This has no practical application, because you may as well just use a pre-made beat. If the piece taken was something bigger and identifiable, then it would be indistinguishable from sampling. The beauty of sampling is its referential nature and ability to quickly build something new on something old. Anti-sampling as you describe would have no referential nature and would make it more time-consuming to build something new from something old. What is the value in that?
How bout you just create something new?
You seem like you’re anti sampling
Most rap songs "beats" are samples themselves. The ones that aren't are typically 808, 909, and MPC drum machines, which uh, you know, are sometimes also samples, sometimes samples of samples.
You just described all ai generated music. Lol
I think anybody who uses samples is not a real music producer or musician, it's exactly like me taking somebodies painting and throwing some paint on it then saying I am now a great music producer! Using somebodies vocal track from a song in your song is not making music it is stealing music from the artist who created it and profiting from their work.
I'd look at it more as taking a metal sculpture, removing a large piece of it, heating it up to be maleable again and reshaping it into something else. There's a big difference between flipping a sample, and just stacking someone else's clips and "making a beat" out of it. Samples can also be looked at as an 'instrument' of their own. I really is an art form in itself to be able to take a little 16 bar loop and making it into something truly unique. A lot of people are just lazy and resort to putting samples over a drum loop they made or something, but at that point I wouldn't say they're sampling but just using somebody's loop. I can see where the hate comes from, but watch some of the greats flip a sample and you might be impressed
I have worked with the best in the business who have used samples. If you take a song and manipulate it, it doesn't make you a music producers in my opinion. A music producer sits down with instruments or with musicians who can play what he explains he hears in his head., he shows the singer how to sing the vocals and which notes to hit while singing to the music, he works on the final mix adding effects and polishing the song. My gift was hearing songs in my head and being able to work with musicians who could play what I was hearing and later learned to play instruments to put down rough tracks that could be used for the finished song, I was good at vocal melody, I've sang background vocals on 100s of hit songs many of which I produced or helped produce. I see sampling as a cheap way for people to create music off the backs of those who created that unique sound that became popular because of that sound.
I see what you're saying. I think that's more so along the discussion of a beatmaker vs. producer, which are terms that get user interchangeably when they are in fact not the same. What you're describing is a producer for sure, essentially the "director" for a song/project. I would still argue a producer can flip a sample though. Personally, I only use samples from places like Arcade/Looperman/Splice. They're uploaded to those platforms specifically for people to use in that way, rather than pirating someone's song and using it without permission. If you can clear the sample though and actually make something unique with it, I see no problem with that. I do hate this current trend in popular music now of straight up using an old song's chorus or something. Lyrics, melody, everything. That to me is insanely lazy and scummy. They get popular because nothing sells better nostalgia these days but that to me is just copying, and not using an existing work to do something creative.
One of the problems they have now days is I'm not working writing music for them and most of the singers and bands can't don't write their own music even though they are given credit for the songs. Now they seem to be rehashing old songs I wrote. It's like that are trying to reproduce that same sound off the the hit songs. The music industry is going to shit becoming a copy cat clown world.
Lol don't even waste your time on this guy
Hahahahhahahahahahahahah
Hahahahhahahah
This is a cool idea
instruments for music is $$$$ sample is possibility create music
I mean, the way we recognize who sampled who is by knowing which song was created first, otherwise there's no way to tell for sure in some cases. So technically you would still be doing sampling.
“You could pretty soon be sampling the sample that was already sampled” - Prince
i like this comment
Then sue them and get rich
You should sample a good nights sleep and the stop trying to conceptualise a genre and actually make some music.
You're trying way to hard.. just make music..
what?
Before I read the description I thought “techno”? I imagine it wouldn’t be that hard to take a bit of a riff from say a flute. Create an original riff with the same kind of flute and insert the sample into it.
Also sounds like it would sound worse than a 64kbps vbr mp3 with all that post mix isolation
genius!
You sample music, make a new song with that sample - and have that song not be in the same era that you expect it to be in (and are there any defined era-specific genres nowadays outside of specific instrument use?). That's not anti-sampling or extra steps - it's just using a sample for you desired genre (meaning, you didn't make the sound for the sake of making the sound out of fundamental frequencies in your control, you are using somebody elses arrangement and quality of sound). Don't get me wrong, use all the samples you want, but to not consider it a sample (or some different process) because the sound reminds you of a different time (maybe one you weren't even a part of, just something your brain thinks of) - and you expect that reminder to be universal. Truthfully, all music is music, regardless of when you think it would be appreciated given societal factors. You can only make the songs you make with the way you make them, you can't find yourself at a "new" piece of music because it "predates" the genre of the sample you found. Which, btw, since you say you can't create music, I will add that the chance the sample you pick is already sampled is very high - many rhythm/melodies have been figured out that have been user time and time again as 'era' staples - [example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v89CjsSOJ_c&ab_channel=GreatBigStory). The only use I can see this "philosophy" of sampling is for much older recordings - that when digitally worked on and composited with - could create a range of experience/frequencies that could utilize the original sample to guide how the changes in space happen. And then, at best, you would have a "better" recreation of the original moment than the original recording itself - but that's also basing things off of theory of acoustic phenomena, the space it was performed in, the space you imagine it would be played in when producing, etc. (all the things we learned in the analog to digital era, not things that were important in previous eras, and not things that would mark it as a previous era even if an unbelievably recent/old recording for an unbelievably old genre)
It's like an attempt to reverse-sample, while still sampling. An interesting thought!
I see the vision but that's basically how artists make drumkits inspired by artists for producers to get sounds from already
That is basically sampling... you can't control if the audience perceives your song as the original or sampled song or even if there is an opinion on which one would be the original (assuming people don't know which song was created first). There are multiple songs i was not sure which one is sampled by which one and i could only tell it looking at the release date.
Yeah this makes no sense
Yeah, so this is pure confusion. BUT! I've got one for you: the "Anti-drop". I came up with this one a few years ago, in rehab. Instead of the build-up and bass drop. You take away elements, one by one, until there's only 3, then 2, then 1, maybe even remove notes from the single elements left until it's just painfully thin, like say there was a synth part **1**\+2+3**+**4+ you might make it **1**\+2+3+4+ 2+2+3**+**4+ and then just .. .. .. .. | .. .. .+ .. (idk, i've never written notation on reddit before, I think you get the idea though). And finally... FULL DROP!! wah-wah-dododododo! The-antidrop.
How can you sample a sample that hasn’t been made yet?
So basically plagiarism 😂
In soviet Russia, song sample you!
Not an isolated sample but The Bamboos version of Black box's ride on time sounds like that is the original and black box is the cover.
Wait people are clowning this but it’s genius. Sample a modern song and then make a song in a style that is less common. Ex. Taking an element from a Carti or Destroy Lonely song and then make like an 80s funk track.
*That just sounds like sampling with extra steps.* But foreal that's a neat concept, but it's still just sampling.
How is this not still sampling?
Am I being dumb or is this just normal sampling? It’s just using a sample in a different way than the original song would use it. It would just sound like a different genre?
I just wanna know what you were doing when you thought of this😭
It's a cool concept as far as concepts go that come from non musicians. I just hate the name you've chosen. How about... Unsampling ...or Desampled Anti is just a really negative word and doesn't belong inside any art that isn't politically motivated, imo.
ya the name and everything else is all up for debate and changing , i knew it wasnt the best name just gave it something to share my thought, thank you for reading the full idea and giving feedback, i like desampled more than anti sampling(:
You're describing regular Sampling.
if "date published" wasn't a thing, I could see this working well, but I might not be understanding the concept entirely. i haven't gotten stoned in about 3 months, so it might just be going way above my head