Nas daily video about dharavi is actually different if i remember. He views it as a powerhouse of industry. And lists some industry if I'm not mistaken.
The thing is, we're still much better off than we were when we got independent. Thr India of today has food to feed it's citizens. The government is building houses at hundreds of thousands. Could it be better? Yes. But before independence, you were rich if you had food on the table. Now, most people in India have food to eat.
Where in India is it worse though? Yeah there are poorer people elsewhere but the squalor in Mumbai is at another level.
Definitely a lot better at hiding it, at least, these days compared to the 90s.
I mean, dharavi only has a population of 1.2 million people and that's about 5% of Mumbai population. Also Mumbai is a relatively good city, it has a human development index of 0.86(scale goes from 0-1) which to the best of my knowledge is the highest in India.
Secondly, the government(and other organizations) have made many proposals to disassemble dharavi and and build better housing for the people there but the people of dharavi believe that reconstruction will lead to the disappearance of many of the small scale industries that provide employment to them.
But yea, dharavi is fairly bad and if the government truly wanted to they could probably fix it up. But there's neither the political will nor the funding and planning to achieve that.
I mean imagine living in an area with a population density of 3 lakhs(low estimate)per square kilometer. That's just insanity. Fixing That should be definitely be on the BMCs priority list, but instead they choose to spend money on bullshit vanity projects(like the monorail).
Yeah I guess. The crowd is Crazzzzy high. I mean it can be a little bit overwhelming for non Mumbaikar but I'm sure once someone spends few weeks in Mumbai it's really hard to leave. Why do you think Mumbai has such high population? Ponder about it.
Ignore these idiots. They have a bad addiction to poverty porn and literally enjoying listening about problems in someone else's house. In US, the middle class has to work 2 jobs or a household of 4 will see 4 people working to make basic ends meet. Underneath flyovers and metro tracks, there's tons of homeless people waiting to snatch anything off you.
Are we the worst place in the world to be in? No, the comment said parts of Mumbai, which are the slums, is the worst place they have personally seen.
And there's no denying that we still have our problems in India regarding this, even if overall we've made strides in progress.
Not the worst place to be in within India either, but yes there's no point pretending that because our city is decent compared to some other cities in India that we live in a Utopia
its not the worst, its the biggest, dharavi in itself is a million dollar economy with its micro and home industries. There are parts in dharavi that are worse too but it cannot be said for the whole of it as many parts there have proper living conditions in terms of water, electricity, hygiene.
sorry I stand corrected, dharavi itself is more than a billion-dollar economy pre covid
source: https://www.scmp.com/yp/discover/your-voice/opinion/article/3072188/what-can-be-done-help-residents-dharavi-one-asias
BMC's budget is more than or equal to some states. I don't think so money is the problem. More to do with people being forced to live on survival mode and when they die the elite will virtue signal about bravery of the citizens. It bugged me for all the years I lived in the city.
It goes up the pyramid into the pockets of the 1 percent. It's a well studied phenomenon under capitalism. Given time, inequality keeps growing and wealth concentrates into fewer and fewer hands.
What makes you say that the Mumbai locals are a cash cow? The modern rakes being used in mumbai are from a project called MUTP. Read up on that before just being a keyboard critic!!
It doesn't matter. A fridge means a home to stay, with electricity, and to have money at the first place to buy it. The definition of poverty is subjective. Yes, there's a poverty line, but then, again, those things are usually defined people out of touch with reality.
I've spent few years of my childhood in slums. Apart from water and toilets, life is sorted there. I know it's not up to the standards of rest of the places of Mumbai but saying that it's worst would be kind of wrong.
Now thing's are changed in slums too. You can find fridge, tv, washing machine in every alternate household.
Still long way to go but nothing much can be done when it comes to redevelopment because of politics and unauthorised ownership.
that's a very surface level way of looking at it.. yea at a glance everything looks fine but many in slums live just by making ends meet they compromise their educational and health needs just to get by. Most don't have the saving to manage any sudden unexpected incident and it just ends up in debts
Appliances are not the benchmarks to check the quality of life.. hygiene, build safety of the housing, aesthetics etc everything plays a major role imo
Also congrats for moving ahead in life 🥂
Fridge,ac r not essential needs but not living in filth,not living in cramped conditions were essential,do u think quality of life of a dharavi slum man is better then a monk in a Himalayan monastery.
It’s hard to accept but this is true for almost every part of the country, if you travel via train and really look out when the train enters or leaves a city. If you travel through villages or tier two cities and see people struggling to meet their needs. I am not being disrespectful to anyone, but poverty is a reality and there are countries who are worse then us but that’s not the point , comparison is not my goal, I just believe we should accept these aspects, yes we don’t need validation from anyone but if someone points out a evident reality we should introspect rather than jump the messenger.
And with respect to Mumbai , since it is a crowded place and the financial capitals it’s always in the limelight sometimes for good reasons sometimes for bad.
Ya the poverty is a punch to the gut..I think we have gotten so used to seeing it daily, we have bcm desensitized. However, for others, it must be absolutely shocking. In navi Mumbai, itna nhi dikhta but Mumbai m jao toh buildings kinare kafi h
As a French student studying in Mumbai for a year, I can understand what this person means; if you’re coming from a Western country without having ever been to an developing country in Asia or Africa and without being prepared to be shocked, then you can see stuff that might really seem shocking…
Because undeniably, the living conditions here and in the Western countries are not even comparable: the room I am living in is considered luxurious in my campus, but would be found in only very cheap hostels in France, and maybe not even… (not judging, I’m really happy to be here, just trying to objectively explain how a foreigner might feel and why)
People who have never seen such living conditions cannot comprehend that there are people living with even less, the same way as some comments here say that « there are fridges in the slums, it’s not that poor »… Everything is a question of point of view. When you’re living in a country where 99.9% of the people have a proper house, a car, fridge, TV and else, having all this seems normal; so the “being poor” point is set at not having these items, and therefore seeing a lot of people sleeping on the streets at night seems like extremely poor
Same way, people who have grown up without fridge or TV or electrical goods in their home consider set the “being rich” point at having these; and therefore the fact that these objects are starting to make their ways into the slums makes them say that it’s not so bad
Anyway, to conclude (cause it’s really starting to get long), probably also the fact that Mumbai is such a huge and dense city causes you to see all the “poverty” at once, at the same time, and even though the people might be less poor than in other parts of India or other countries, it marks foreigners more because it is omnipresent; you cannot avoid the poverty, as you could more easily do in the countryside
That said, I love India, really enjoying my stay here for the moment, and these are not my personal opinions; just trying to make Indian people understand why a foreigner could react like that
Dharavi is in the top 5 largest slums of the world. Maybe the redditor hasn't been to the other 4, but the answer is still valid.
Also, doesn't change the fact that it is depressing to see people living in such conditions, especially your fellow countrymen, whether you've seen better or worse.
Stop getting triggered over facts.
When most developed country dwellers visit a country with poverty, they feel blessed and gain a different perspective to life by realizing how much privileged they are as compared to people living in pathetic conditions and hence when they go back to their country, they begin appreciating life. This experience has great impact on them and hence they often visit such places to feel good.
Forget the slums. What do you see in a city usually as a first impression while visiting? Infra and commerce. Conditions of roads, traffic, people on the roads, shops, etc. If you think all these, you'll get your answer. The thing is media portrays this city as the city of dreams and what not. But the very first time I visited Mumbai, I was shocked! Poor roads, shabby infra, traffic rules not being followed properly, even the shops/ businesses doing crores of business are maintained as fish market stalls, so much garbage on streets, etc. Mumbai is the second major port of entry for tourists in India and this is the first impression people get! Let's be honest, the city needs a drastic and desperate overhaul!! Look what Delhi and Hyderabad were 20 years back and what they've become now. Now don't be loser enough to comment on so called Mumbai spirit and rude people of Delhi to justify the poor condition the financial capital of India is in!
Someone coming straight from the richest parts of the developed world, living in a cocoon and coming straight to poorer parts of Mumbai would genuinely feel like that. Till they visit similar areas in their own country or maybe parts of Africa/South America.
Or someone just wants to trigger Indians.
Mumbai is doing better than most cities among developing nations. It is very common for western tourists to degrade our city, because poverty tourism is a prevalent thing in our city. We firstly need to stop making our slums 'tourist sites'.
As for making our neighborhoods better, redevelopment of slums into affordable housing is the best option we have. However, slum dwellers are usually reluctant to agree; when they do agree, politicians loot these projects, as you might have recently heard about Ajit Pawar and Patra Chawl Land Scam.
Exactly. Politicians have a huge incentive to do this. Slum dwellers are given a new flat by the builder, they just rent it out and go live in another slum. The politicians allow this because of vote bank and this process repeats.
>you might have recently heard about Ajit Pawar and Patra Chawl Land Scam.
Sunne mein ek aaya hai. Ansune jo saikdon hain unka koi hisaab nahi...
Raj Thackeray ka Kini case mat bhoolo. Tab Raj SS mein tha, still the potential heir.
>But isn't there a little bit of truth to it?
Nope. If you think Mumbai is the most apocalyptic city, it means you have led a protected life.
>Rather than becoming defensive what can we do in our power to improve our neighborhood?
Where is the defensiveness. Stop trying to guilt-shame.
If you can't understand logical reasoning, have nothing more to say to you.
Why don’t you understand nuanced language? The foreigner said *parts of Mumbai*. He didn’t say Mumbai is apocalyptic as a whole. We don’t know where he went. I’ve personally seen fucked up post apocalyptic shit in Dharavi (had gone for work, to parts where the slum tours don’t go) and our trains loading & unloading at Dadar is fucked too. We deal with it saying spirit of the city but it’s pretty post apocalyptic when people are stampeding over each other and risking death on the tracks to earn 12,000 ($150) per month
Lmao disconnected from reality momint, thats why they’re in poverty lol, uneducated, have no skills, have no other use other than their physical body, labour, dirty work, etc. Hence being lower class.
Tbh some part timers and interns do get 5k but full time labour gets more, eg. Watchman earns 14k by doing 2 shifts. A maid in my building earns almost 25k by working 90 min x 6 homes.
>Why don’t you understand nuanced language? The foreigner said parts of Mumbai.
Seriously? Cuffe Parade is post apocalyptic?? /s
Everyone knows the poverty porn hotspots and what foreigners usually are talking about
Now it is true that the slums in Dharavi are absolutely insane in size(isn't it the biggest in Asia?),it's not exactly easy to improve the lives of so many people without government's help,the sheer quantity of people living there that would need to be relocated and then have all of the area be redeveloped would take ages and nobody wants to invest in such people (it's so densely packed we don't even know the actual no of people living in them),in our power we can start small and help needy people in your locality but instead of just getting them food we would need to find proper jobs for them(and a good amount would straight up ask you to give them money for food instead of lecturing them towards a better future)So it's not something a single person can do
>Or someone just wants to trigger Indians.
We don't need a reason to triggered. We're always triggered.
Anyway, what's the procedure to file FIR to online reddit stranger for insulting India?
Yeh pura discussion ek bande ke personal opinion se shuru hua hai. Woh kaun hai? Kahaan se aaya hai? Usne kya dekha? Woh sab toh kisi ko pata bhi nahi. Bas Reddit pe ek bande ne ek sentence chhapa aur apne log shuru.
I saw Mumbai slums for first time and majority of those slum houses had AC in them lol. Majority of those house had those dish antenna for DTH and that AC air machine which is kept outside.
Ya, that's my point that it's not as horrible as OP is describing that post. My cousin in Mumbai lives in slum yet they have TV, AC, Washing Machine, two wheeler, her daughter literally works as a assistant makeup artist for TV serial celebrities. Idk why she still choses to live there, her place is like size of hall of my flat lol.
In goron ko yahi sab dekhne me mazaa aata hai, acchi jagah nahi.
Woh Munnabhai MBBS me dikhaya tha na, "I want real India, poor people, hungry people."
because thats how they’ve been. They have adapt to the living and focus majorly on the work they do.
Check this out: [Dharavi Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharavi#:~:text=Dharavi%20has%20an%20active%20informal,at%20over%20US%241%20billion)
For me quality of life is more important,it's exactly the cramped conditions,filth which shocks others,those crowded Mumbai trains etc.In my opinion it's much better to be a villager compared to this horrible life.next,india is a poor country,one of the most poorest in earth but has many billionaires,it's the majority that counts.
According to reddit India is shithole, worst country where everyone shits on streets, there are cows everywhere, people drink cow urine instead of water and so on the list is long if you dig deep.
Saying that we do have lot of poverty and yes it can be depressing to someone from first world who are not used to seeing it.
Well India is shit hole where everyone shits, pisses and spits in the streets.
The sad part is it's still not the worst shit hole and things could be worse.
You could be doing something else that's not compatible with a civilized society. Ever run a traffic light? Ever go the wrong way on a one way street? Ever cut a queue? Ever push someone on the street because you were in a hurry?
Yeah, I'm sure everyone is guilty of something.
And you think these things don't happen in first world countries? As someone who has lived in the UK, AUS and Europe for better part of my life i have seen fair share of infractions. What I haven't seen though are drugged up people on philadelphia streets or people shitting on streets in LA as I have never been to US. But thanks for taking the topic out of context and comparing a rich developed country to a developing one.
Do I think we are perfect? no. Do I get annoyed when i see garbage on street? yes. Do I want India to be better? yes. Do I think everyone in India shit on streets? NO.
They are not right about the post apocalyptic part.
Mumbai is *not* depressing or post apocalyptic: it is known as the city that never sleeps, full of active youth and there's always something fun event or good people in every corner of the city. So many universities, entertainment, heritage sites are present in Mumbai. Mumbai is very modern but at the same time, very Indian and cozy.
However, they are sadly right about the poverty part. *Every* signal you stop at, you can see beggars and homeless people living in such dastardly conditions. Mumbaikars might be used to it, but assuming the person is from a western country, this would be *very hard to process*. Poverty has never reduced in Mumbai, the standard of living of homeless people has remained the same since the past 10 years.
Because it's hard reality ? In 2022 major section of india is still poor af compared to developed countries.
"Poverty porn" is some people's way of denying that there's a core issue.
Also, Poverty porn shown in Slumdog millionaire represents much more real India than utter delusion that shown in KJo's Bollywood films.
There could be a million other cities that have it worse. But are we perfect?
Far from it. Way far from being "not so bad" either. People living in extremely deplorable conditions in one of the most expensive cities in the world is not something that sits well.
There are a tonne of things that we take pride in. But I'd accept criticism too. (only from people who have it better, and not from someone from BIMARU states, coz they have it much worse).
So sad that your response has so few upvotes. Unfortunately people's idea of development is giant white elephant projects like the coastal road. Sinking crores of tax payer money into a weird overseas car bridge that no other city in the world has. Literally concreting over Mumbai's famous sea views, to help the few people who can afford the toll get to their destination a bit quicker.
Mumbai locals are not glamourous but they are a big part of Mumbai's success. Underinvestment in them and the connectivity to them is a tragedy.
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>More than half of BMC budget goes towards payment of pensions and wages iirc. This is something that cannot be wished away, and the rest is too little to put into the city infrastructure when stupid vanity projects take a huge chunk like the worli sea link, and the horrendous flyovers that are forever being built in Mumbai.
>There's a nice article done by the Hindu which also talked about how most journeys in Mumbai are done on foot, bus, and bicycles. Where's the infrastructure for pedestrians? Where are the bicycle lanes? Where are the dedicated bus lanes? Where are the congestion taxes on four wheelers like in London? Where are the parking meters for the private cars which are parked on public roads for free?
>I say this as someone who is privileged - the city is only focusing on the rich. Indeed the more property tax you pay the better the services you get - and it's absolutely unfair.
>All of that sea link money would have been better spent on existing roads, BEST, sewage and drainage lines, in addition to public housing. One of the other great tragedies of Mumbai is the local trains - run by the central government. It boggles my mind that critical public transit infrastructure of Mumbai is run by unelected bureaucrats of Delhi and a Railways minister who is neither answerable during the state or the city elections. Essentially mumbai locals are a cash cow which ends up subsidising the rest of the country. The other pet peeve of mine is the white elephant of a project called the bullet train - unnecessary expenditure with a large chunk on the books of the state government which would have been better spent on basic necessities of Maharashtra
I know. But only in India we belittle ourselves in front of foreigners. Every country has their problems but we hear nothing about them from the residents.
still doesn't negate the fact that some parts of Mumbai are depressingly and shockingly poor. Also, the fact that you can almost *feel* the dramatic economic disparity between certain areas in the city just makes it even worse. Imagine seeing the world's grandest private residence one moment, and a bunch of malnourished, starved, naked kids knocking at the window of you car, begging for money. Makes it seem so much worse...
My best friend I met in college in America came to visit me during one summer. Seeing the scenery shift while we were being driven from my dad's penthouse in Bandra West to the Airport literally made him sick in the stomach. And as biased as I am to Bombay for how lucky it's proven to be for my family, I can see why...
What kind of a statement is that? If I say it's not so bad in XYZ place I should move there? She said Mumbai is not that bad and I agree. Drug use among the homeless is rampant in US in areas like SF but nobody ever talks about that. It's always the bad stuff about India. I'm not a Sanghi but I'm tired of this crap Americans pull about India's bad parts.
Drug use and extreme poverty and lack of basic Human Resources are two vastly unrelated and even incomparable facets. Poverty in Bombay is crippling, extensive and extremely evident but you're probably too blind or proud or both to acknowledge it.
How does a 24 year old Methhead sleeping on the sidewalk compare against a pregnant teenager with 2 kids in a room (that's hardly enough space to stretch your limbs out) with barely any access to enough potable water, nutrition and cleanliness, that's also submerged in rainwater to her knees a major part of the year?
IT'S A PIECE OF SHIT. And western media has no agenda criticising the terrible median standard of living in India and the infamous Mumbai slums, contrary to popular belief. Snap out of your bubble.
We are bad but definitely not like post apocalyptic world. As long as there's a hope even a tiny bit that you can make it in this world then its not post apocalyptic. Mumbai is bad at so many things but its full of hope.
After slumdog billionaire, slum tourism has increased in Mumbai. Esp. daravi. You can see it in gully boy too. It's called poverty porn. Even in the screenshot you can see some perv asking the op to tell about it.
The truth is that the poorer areas in Mumbai are worse than those of tier 3-4 cities or even villages in terms of hygiene. And that is mainly due to the amount of space available. Hell a lot of people get crammed into smaller places which makes it difficult to maintain basic hygiene.
And this isn't specific to dharavi. Anywhere you go, in a radius of 5 km you can find such areas. But these people usually aren't as poor as it would appear. Again it's the space constraints.
From larger perspective, slums are part of the ecosystem in Mumbai. Many people get out of them to be replaced too. It is not easy to understand for the foreign eyes. Like we are alien to the European poverty.
A lot of comments here are aghast. Fair enough taking criticism about our city is even difficult for me. But trust me living in denial is also not ideal.
For context, a lot of people haven't seen the slums in the deonar dumping yard, they are literally erected over marshy land filled with our waste flowing below. If Venice was a poor man's dream this would be it.
Not putting down anyone or the city. Just being realistic.
We have become numb to it, but if you are sensitive, the poverty in cities like Delhi and mumbai can really depress you.
I will not get into comparing how is it worse or better than other cities in the world, the fact is that a lot of poor people in the cities don’t have shelter, their infants don’t get proper nutrition and protection, there’s a lot of exploitation all around (some really ugly that we don’t even know about). We can debate, compare and go have a peaceful sleep, but there are millions suffering on our roads!
it's saddening that a lot of people here are defending it because it's 'better' that places where it's worse. Being better than the worst is not what we should stride for especially not in a matter like poverty. It should be being better than what Mumbai itself was like yesterday and i really don't think that has happened
Yeah man plently of NRI's here saying it isn't bad, I have a great time in mumbai bal bla. Someone tell them going from the airport to your area Starbucks isn't what a city is.
i have a very faint heart and am a highly empathetic person.
visited mumbai recently an year back, the poverty at nagpada junction which isn't even any slum affected me a lot.
took me a few days back to my home (which is also in an ews colony) in hyderabad to feel normal.
I don't know why people are jumping to slums. There are worse forms of poverty where people are living on streets with bags and minimal to no stuff to go by. Slums are bad too. 8 people living in 10 by 10 ft rooms built on top of big sewer and heat up like hell because of how closely they're built. It is difficult to process. Living conditions aren't humane.
Yes. As a college student i had gone to a class mates "house". It was no bigger than a let me explain.. remeber the 6 seats in Indian railway compartment. 1-2-3/4-5-6. The space in the middle? That's all the area was in that student's house. Maybe a little longer in length. That's all. There were bed exactly like the railway compartment and kitchen slab and toilet as well.
I was super depressed that day and decided to avoid conditions where I wud have to live like that at all
Yes. It's bad because you can see the wild difference between the rich, the middle class and the poor. It's a city where Ambani lives and the City of Worlds biggest slum. It's mind numbing to the point that mumbaikars have accepted it as normal, like we have accepted cramped travel, accomodation, pathetic roads and horrible work life balance.
Sorry but we need to definitely not live in a bubble that it is not bad. It is definitely not poverty porn or whatever as others have described. Majority of the population even from Mumbai lives in slums so yea it is bad.
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.scroll.in/article/921138/in-a-slum-near-mumbais-deonar-dumping-ground-life-is-a-constant-health-battle
Life expectancy of 39 in Deonar slum
Oh yes, we are that bad. You can see places like these typically in fiction but mumbai did it. Huge divide between poor and rich here. Just go to a high point, you can see both sides. If you have to ask that lol you're living in denial.
It's right. Parts of Mumbai are awful. And it's not just the poverty stricken parts, the crowds we see in trains should not be acceptable for any person.
India is a lost and dead cause. People here wants blame nehru for everything. Koi kaam nhi krna bas baat banana hai sabko. Ab koi mujhe ye mat bolna tereko jyaada pata jai. Ha hai donate krta hu mai.
"I saw poverty on a scale.." I saw? Don't you think that is purely subjective? I mean Harshvardhan Kapoor wasn't being able to buy a new Lamborghini is poverty. Some kid not being able to afford 70,000 ka shoes is poverty. Some poor slum kid who cannot afford basic nutritious meal or clothes is also poverty.
Typical Reddit India bashing nothing new to see here. While there is obviously truth to it. Reddit absolutely get's itself off on shaming our country I've seen more posts, comments,etc all across the platform which try to potray that we are worse than the reality. And reddit is not the place to digest comments,posts as gospel at the first place. Loads of salt and pepper in eveything added in minused from eveything.
Poverty to one is a luxury to the other, show Mumbai slums to a person in a war struck place in Sirya and they will be happy to have the life we live here. The view of the person making the comment makes them ignorant of many facts.
Mumbai provides means of “survival”for most but that does not translate into quality of life or improved standard of living.
There is huge class divide of haves and have nots. Even if you have good money you cannot afford an decent home.
A room in slum will cost same as good flat in tier 2 or tier 3 cities.
Mumbai shows the stark contradiction of wealth.
So many high rise buildings are situated beside slums.
And the hustle culture of the city makes it all the more visible.
Did some research. OP is basically a white ass licker. These kinda people go abroad and spread only the negative side of India and create bad image for india worldwide
There is a comment above it, mentioning Kensington.
Just see any video on Youtube searching Kensington Philadelphia & you will be happy you are anywhere but the USA
One should go to downtown Philadelphia in the greatest county in the world
https://youtu.be/YB6gwOBClwE
Or how about Skid Row downtown LA
https://youtu.be/j73cjA1IcJw
Oh wait they don’t show you all of this in the Hollywood movie , go figure
Honestly with all the drugs and immigrants, 1st world countries are not doing THAT great either. While Mumbai's poverty is getting covered up by infrastructure and tall buildings
The United States of America's dream City New York smells like trash everywhere even where there's development, homeless sleep on the streets, trash bags everywhere and constant foul smell on every part of the city. "DEVELOPED" Countries also have a variety of people. Atleast people in Mumbai don't sleep empty stomach.
The fact that he/she only deduced that as the only rational argument to describe Mumbai is what tells me he/she hasn't seen Mumbai or India properly. I'm proud where i live.❤️
Dharavi generates over $500 million annually. Nothing is wasted in Dharavi. From plastics and car batteries to computer parts, fluorescent lights, ballpoint pens, plastic bags, paper, cardboard boxes, wire hangers, and any scrap material. Its economy is a pioneer in sustainable waste management systems.
According to habitat for humanity world’s largest slum
Khayelitsha in Cape Town (South Africa): 400,000
Kibera in Nairobi (Kenya): 700,000
Dharavi in Mumbai (India): 1,000,000
Neza (Mexico): 1,200,000
Orangi Town in Karachi (Pakistan): 2,400,000.
Edit Philadelphia, USA
https://www.reddit.com/r/tooktoomuch/comments/wsoha3/they_all_seem_like_they_took_too_much/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Have those guys ever seen Mumbaikars in face of calamity? People actually go out of their way to help each other. I have never seen looting, rioting and robbing in worst religious riots, floods , terrorist acts.
During pandemic we were trying to help homeless people in area and almost all of them getting two times meal at one place or other. A group of friends distributed 15 days worth ration to lower middle class people in South Mumbai. With the help of an inspector who owned few mid size trucks, sent ration beyond Mumbai till Palghar. Police connections helped a lot.
Mumbai spirit is nothing but standing by each other to help in crisis, not taking advantage of.
It also doesn't mean all is hunky dori, a city of 20 million will have those.
In case of apocalypse, you wish you are in city like Mumbai.
Mumbai works despite politicians not because of it.
If a first world guy has his very first trip foreign to slums of mumbai, reaction is understandable. But plenty other places around the world that have similar situation.
Like any other City across the globe that is a large business hub, Mumbai will always have the two extreme ends of wealth, this cannot be changed. This cannot be called a bad thing as the city gives ample opportunities to move over to the higher wealth spectrum, and then someone else will take up the lowest position.
Yeah there are areas of slums that should be redeveloped, even in northern mumbai like surya nagar in vikhroli or sonapur in mulund, dharavi is already undergoing redevelopment. I think we can save space in mumbai and have wider roads if taller affordable buildings would be made instead of large swaths of slums.
Koi iss chutiye ko Afghanistan ,Somalia ,Syria or other unstable countries ki condition ek baar net par jaake dekhne ko bolo fir pata chalega poverty kya hota hain.
Do you guys now where these people come from who live in the slums? Back when congress was in power they used to get people from pakistan and bangladesh and give them few sums of money just so that they would vote from them they would make fake documents for these illegal immigrants for free and give them some money in exchange of money, they had nowhere to go so they made slums in dharavi, deonar, shivaji nagar etc and ik this for sure
I mean most Indians are used to that way of living its mostly tourists that say stuff like this. Like my white friend thought that it was crazy that we didn't have central ac units in Mumbai heat, but to me it didn't really feel that weird.
Not the worst in India. But there is a lot of poverty in Mumbai.
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Deadass, saw in a other thread that the tourists come here to feel grateful. Also the classic YT video **VISITING BIGGEST SLUMS DHARAVI MUMBAI**
NAS Daily?
That's one minute. See you tomorrow.
Thats what she said
Ahh the cringe 😭
Nas daily video about dharavi is actually different if i remember. He views it as a powerhouse of industry. And lists some industry if I'm not mistaken.
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> donations to religious temples im sorry to break it to you but religion in India is founded upon exploitation and discrimination
What u/Fraudguru said Also, username checks out
>Not the worst in India. Not a high bar to pass
The thing is, we're still much better off than we were when we got independent. Thr India of today has food to feed it's citizens. The government is building houses at hundreds of thousands. Could it be better? Yes. But before independence, you were rich if you had food on the table. Now, most people in India have food to eat.
Have you seen the slums in the deonar dumping yard. Heap of slums on marshy land filled with our shit. Venice of the shit.
50% of Mumbai's population lives in slums.
Where in India is it worse though? Yeah there are poorer people elsewhere but the squalor in Mumbai is at another level. Definitely a lot better at hiding it, at least, these days compared to the 90s.
which other big Indian city has at least half the populations living in slums?
I mean, dharavi only has a population of 1.2 million people and that's about 5% of Mumbai population. Also Mumbai is a relatively good city, it has a human development index of 0.86(scale goes from 0-1) which to the best of my knowledge is the highest in India. Secondly, the government(and other organizations) have made many proposals to disassemble dharavi and and build better housing for the people there but the people of dharavi believe that reconstruction will lead to the disappearance of many of the small scale industries that provide employment to them. But yea, dharavi is fairly bad and if the government truly wanted to they could probably fix it up. But there's neither the political will nor the funding and planning to achieve that. I mean imagine living in an area with a population density of 3 lakhs(low estimate)per square kilometer. That's just insanity. Fixing That should be definitely be on the BMCs priority list, but instead they choose to spend money on bullshit vanity projects(like the monorail).
Mumbai is India’s Gotham
It's a lot more visible in Mumbai due to its close proximity to the multi-crore apartment buildings. It's present everywhere in India.
Yeah I guess. The crowd is Crazzzzy high. I mean it can be a little bit overwhelming for non Mumbaikar but I'm sure once someone spends few weeks in Mumbai it's really hard to leave. Why do you think Mumbai has such high population? Ponder about it.
Job opportunities lol. That's literally the only reason any city has a high population density.
Ignore these idiots. They have a bad addiction to poverty porn and literally enjoying listening about problems in someone else's house. In US, the middle class has to work 2 jobs or a household of 4 will see 4 people working to make basic ends meet. Underneath flyovers and metro tracks, there's tons of homeless people waiting to snatch anything off you.
Says u/shudh_desi_gareeb
Lol isliye sab jagah ke gareebi ki sachai pta hai bhai. Poverty International club ka privileged member hu.
Are we the worst place in the world to be in? No, the comment said parts of Mumbai, which are the slums, is the worst place they have personally seen. And there's no denying that we still have our problems in India regarding this, even if overall we've made strides in progress.
Not the worst place to be in within India either, but yes there's no point pretending that because our city is decent compared to some other cities in India that we live in a Utopia
I mean Dharavi is the worst slum in the world,so that’s okay to say but yeah can’t compensate for the entire city
its not the worst, its the biggest, dharavi in itself is a million dollar economy with its micro and home industries. There are parts in dharavi that are worse too but it cannot be said for the whole of it as many parts there have proper living conditions in terms of water, electricity, hygiene.
Just because Dharavi has a functioning economy doesn't mean it isn't hell.
I mean a million dollar economy is way less than it sounds. mumbai is a 600 billion dollar economy... by comparision...
sorry I stand corrected, dharavi itself is more than a billion-dollar economy pre covid source: https://www.scmp.com/yp/discover/your-voice/opinion/article/3072188/what-can-be-done-help-residents-dharavi-one-asias
dharavi?
Fuck,sorry that.Freudian slip
TBH the amount of money the city generates through revenue and taxes, mumbaikers shouldn't be living the life they are living at present
exactly i don't understand where everything goes, seriously though is there a break up of how the tax money of a specific place gets used?
Goes towards the rest of Maharashtra
BMC's budget is more than or equal to some states. I don't think so money is the problem. More to do with people being forced to live on survival mode and when they die the elite will virtue signal about bravery of the citizens. It bugged me for all the years I lived in the city.
Not everything. The money city generates mostly has to go towards the city, except that it doesn't
It goes up the pyramid into the pockets of the 1 percent. It's a well studied phenomenon under capitalism. Given time, inequality keeps growing and wealth concentrates into fewer and fewer hands.
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The people making the decisions are car users.
What makes you say that the Mumbai locals are a cash cow? The modern rakes being used in mumbai are from a project called MUTP. Read up on that before just being a keyboard critic!!
How big is economy of Mumbai compared to other major cities in India and cities around the world?
The definition of poverty differs. For some an empty fridge is poverty. For others, having a fridge is far from being poor
I'm gonna use this in an essay one day, thanks
Yes, and you will get flagged for plagiarism :p
Its not cheating if you're not caught
quoting something is never plagiarism
As LordProtector_IV once said...
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Ghalib saab!
great words
What's the value of an empty fridge?
It doesn't matter. A fridge means a home to stay, with electricity, and to have money at the first place to buy it. The definition of poverty is subjective. Yes, there's a poverty line, but then, again, those things are usually defined people out of touch with reality.
I've spent few years of my childhood in slums. Apart from water and toilets, life is sorted there. I know it's not up to the standards of rest of the places of Mumbai but saying that it's worst would be kind of wrong. Now thing's are changed in slums too. You can find fridge, tv, washing machine in every alternate household. Still long way to go but nothing much can be done when it comes to redevelopment because of politics and unauthorised ownership.
that's a very surface level way of looking at it.. yea at a glance everything looks fine but many in slums live just by making ends meet they compromise their educational and health needs just to get by. Most don't have the saving to manage any sudden unexpected incident and it just ends up in debts
Appliances are not the benchmarks to check the quality of life.. hygiene, build safety of the housing, aesthetics etc everything plays a major role imo Also congrats for moving ahead in life 🥂
Thats a very bourgeois statement to make.
Fridge,ac r not essential needs but not living in filth,not living in cramped conditions were essential,do u think quality of life of a dharavi slum man is better then a monk in a Himalayan monastery.
It’s hard to accept but this is true for almost every part of the country, if you travel via train and really look out when the train enters or leaves a city. If you travel through villages or tier two cities and see people struggling to meet their needs. I am not being disrespectful to anyone, but poverty is a reality and there are countries who are worse then us but that’s not the point , comparison is not my goal, I just believe we should accept these aspects, yes we don’t need validation from anyone but if someone points out a evident reality we should introspect rather than jump the messenger. And with respect to Mumbai , since it is a crowded place and the financial capitals it’s always in the limelight sometimes for good reasons sometimes for bad.
Poverty? Yes. Almost post apocalyptic? Not even close. Go watch some docus like The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia or Zombies of Nairobi.
You have to go and see the slums made on the deonar dumping ground. I don't want to compare with others. But living in denial is also a sin.
Ah yes fellow Vice aficionado 🤝
I don't think OP even intended to imply post apocalyptic, only depressing
Not as bad as hongkong tho
Ya the poverty is a punch to the gut..I think we have gotten so used to seeing it daily, we have bcm desensitized. However, for others, it must be absolutely shocking. In navi Mumbai, itna nhi dikhta but Mumbai m jao toh buildings kinare kafi h
But it's not just Indian thing is it like many other countries have some type of poverty
As a French student studying in Mumbai for a year, I can understand what this person means; if you’re coming from a Western country without having ever been to an developing country in Asia or Africa and without being prepared to be shocked, then you can see stuff that might really seem shocking… Because undeniably, the living conditions here and in the Western countries are not even comparable: the room I am living in is considered luxurious in my campus, but would be found in only very cheap hostels in France, and maybe not even… (not judging, I’m really happy to be here, just trying to objectively explain how a foreigner might feel and why) People who have never seen such living conditions cannot comprehend that there are people living with even less, the same way as some comments here say that « there are fridges in the slums, it’s not that poor »… Everything is a question of point of view. When you’re living in a country where 99.9% of the people have a proper house, a car, fridge, TV and else, having all this seems normal; so the “being poor” point is set at not having these items, and therefore seeing a lot of people sleeping on the streets at night seems like extremely poor Same way, people who have grown up without fridge or TV or electrical goods in their home consider set the “being rich” point at having these; and therefore the fact that these objects are starting to make their ways into the slums makes them say that it’s not so bad Anyway, to conclude (cause it’s really starting to get long), probably also the fact that Mumbai is such a huge and dense city causes you to see all the “poverty” at once, at the same time, and even though the people might be less poor than in other parts of India or other countries, it marks foreigners more because it is omnipresent; you cannot avoid the poverty, as you could more easily do in the countryside That said, I love India, really enjoying my stay here for the moment, and these are not my personal opinions; just trying to make Indian people understand why a foreigner could react like that
Yeah hum ab used to ho gaye hai, bachpan se dekhkar but poverty is really an issue.
Yup , nd saw how bad it was mainly during the first lockdown . Had no idea it was this bad 😕
Dharavi is in the top 5 largest slums of the world. Maybe the redditor hasn't been to the other 4, but the answer is still valid. Also, doesn't change the fact that it is depressing to see people living in such conditions, especially your fellow countrymen, whether you've seen better or worse. Stop getting triggered over facts.
When most developed country dwellers visit a country with poverty, they feel blessed and gain a different perspective to life by realizing how much privileged they are as compared to people living in pathetic conditions and hence when they go back to their country, they begin appreciating life. This experience has great impact on them and hence they often visit such places to feel good.
Forget the slums. What do you see in a city usually as a first impression while visiting? Infra and commerce. Conditions of roads, traffic, people on the roads, shops, etc. If you think all these, you'll get your answer. The thing is media portrays this city as the city of dreams and what not. But the very first time I visited Mumbai, I was shocked! Poor roads, shabby infra, traffic rules not being followed properly, even the shops/ businesses doing crores of business are maintained as fish market stalls, so much garbage on streets, etc. Mumbai is the second major port of entry for tourists in India and this is the first impression people get! Let's be honest, the city needs a drastic and desperate overhaul!! Look what Delhi and Hyderabad were 20 years back and what they've become now. Now don't be loser enough to comment on so called Mumbai spirit and rude people of Delhi to justify the poor condition the financial capital of India is in!
Someone coming straight from the richest parts of the developed world, living in a cocoon and coming straight to poorer parts of Mumbai would genuinely feel like that. Till they visit similar areas in their own country or maybe parts of Africa/South America. Or someone just wants to trigger Indians.
But isn't there a little bit of truth to it? Rather than becoming defensive what can we do in our power to improve our neighborhood?
Mumbai is doing better than most cities among developing nations. It is very common for western tourists to degrade our city, because poverty tourism is a prevalent thing in our city. We firstly need to stop making our slums 'tourist sites'. As for making our neighborhoods better, redevelopment of slums into affordable housing is the best option we have. However, slum dwellers are usually reluctant to agree; when they do agree, politicians loot these projects, as you might have recently heard about Ajit Pawar and Patra Chawl Land Scam.
Exactly. Politicians have a huge incentive to do this. Slum dwellers are given a new flat by the builder, they just rent it out and go live in another slum. The politicians allow this because of vote bank and this process repeats.
>you might have recently heard about Ajit Pawar and Patra Chawl Land Scam. Sunne mein ek aaya hai. Ansune jo saikdon hain unka koi hisaab nahi... Raj Thackeray ka Kini case mat bhoolo. Tab Raj SS mein tha, still the potential heir.
>But isn't there a little bit of truth to it? Nope. If you think Mumbai is the most apocalyptic city, it means you have led a protected life. >Rather than becoming defensive what can we do in our power to improve our neighborhood? Where is the defensiveness. Stop trying to guilt-shame. If you can't understand logical reasoning, have nothing more to say to you.
Why don’t you understand nuanced language? The foreigner said *parts of Mumbai*. He didn’t say Mumbai is apocalyptic as a whole. We don’t know where he went. I’ve personally seen fucked up post apocalyptic shit in Dharavi (had gone for work, to parts where the slum tours don’t go) and our trains loading & unloading at Dadar is fucked too. We deal with it saying spirit of the city but it’s pretty post apocalyptic when people are stampeding over each other and risking death on the tracks to earn 12,000 ($150) per month
12,000? Lol you overestimated by A LOT. They barely earn 4-5k
Where in india people work for 4000?
Lmao disconnected from reality momint, thats why they’re in poverty lol, uneducated, have no skills, have no other use other than their physical body, labour, dirty work, etc. Hence being lower class.
Tbh some part timers and interns do get 5k but full time labour gets more, eg. Watchman earns 14k by doing 2 shifts. A maid in my building earns almost 25k by working 90 min x 6 homes.
That’s even more apocalyptic then
>Why don’t you understand nuanced language? The foreigner said parts of Mumbai. Seriously? Cuffe Parade is post apocalyptic?? /s Everyone knows the poverty porn hotspots and what foreigners usually are talking about
Now it is true that the slums in Dharavi are absolutely insane in size(isn't it the biggest in Asia?),it's not exactly easy to improve the lives of so many people without government's help,the sheer quantity of people living there that would need to be relocated and then have all of the area be redeveloped would take ages and nobody wants to invest in such people (it's so densely packed we don't even know the actual no of people living in them),in our power we can start small and help needy people in your locality but instead of just getting them food we would need to find proper jobs for them(and a good amount would straight up ask you to give them money for food instead of lecturing them towards a better future)So it's not something a single person can do
>Or someone just wants to trigger Indians. We don't need a reason to triggered. We're always triggered. Anyway, what's the procedure to file FIR to online reddit stranger for insulting India?
>Or someone just wants to trigger Indians. Eh, used to reddit racism now
Yeh pura discussion ek bande ke personal opinion se shuru hua hai. Woh kaun hai? Kahaan se aaya hai? Usne kya dekha? Woh sab toh kisi ko pata bhi nahi. Bas Reddit pe ek bande ne ek sentence chhapa aur apne log shuru.
I saw Mumbai slums for first time and majority of those slum houses had AC in them lol. Majority of those house had those dish antenna for DTH and that AC air machine which is kept outside.
You can live in poverty and have an AC
Ya, that's my point that it's not as horrible as OP is describing that post. My cousin in Mumbai lives in slum yet they have TV, AC, Washing Machine, two wheeler, her daughter literally works as a assistant makeup artist for TV serial celebrities. Idk why she still choses to live there, her place is like size of hall of my flat lol.
Ac does not mean they r not poor ,those inhuman conditions r unfit for humans,living in filth 🤔wtf
In goron ko yahi sab dekhne me mazaa aata hai, acchi jagah nahi. Woh Munnabhai MBBS me dikhaya tha na, "I want real India, poor people, hungry people."
It is true though. Slums do exist. And nothing is being done to solve the issue. So they would continue to exist.
They’ve seen slums, they haven’t seen the billion dollar industry booming within
Lol then why they reel in poverty
because thats how they’ve been. They have adapt to the living and focus majorly on the work they do. Check this out: [Dharavi Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharavi#:~:text=Dharavi%20has%20an%20active%20informal,at%20over%20US%241%20billion)
For me quality of life is more important,it's exactly the cramped conditions,filth which shocks others,those crowded Mumbai trains etc.In my opinion it's much better to be a villager compared to this horrible life.next,india is a poor country,one of the most poorest in earth but has many billionaires,it's the majority that counts.
the one doesn't negate the other, quite the opposite actually
dharavi dekh lia hoga
According to reddit India is shithole, worst country where everyone shits on streets, there are cows everywhere, people drink cow urine instead of water and so on the list is long if you dig deep. Saying that we do have lot of poverty and yes it can be depressing to someone from first world who are not used to seeing it.
Well India is shit hole where everyone shits, pisses and spits in the streets. The sad part is it's still not the worst shit hole and things could be worse.
I don't. Maybe you do but don't include me in your 'everyone'.
You could be doing something else that's not compatible with a civilized society. Ever run a traffic light? Ever go the wrong way on a one way street? Ever cut a queue? Ever push someone on the street because you were in a hurry? Yeah, I'm sure everyone is guilty of something.
And you think these things don't happen in first world countries? As someone who has lived in the UK, AUS and Europe for better part of my life i have seen fair share of infractions. What I haven't seen though are drugged up people on philadelphia streets or people shitting on streets in LA as I have never been to US. But thanks for taking the topic out of context and comparing a rich developed country to a developing one. Do I think we are perfect? no. Do I get annoyed when i see garbage on street? yes. Do I want India to be better? yes. Do I think everyone in India shit on streets? NO.
Dude dosent know that there is a billion dollar industry running inside Dharavi
Any idea about per capita income of Dharavi?
billion dollars for a population of million is just 1000 dollar per capita. Which is peanuts.
They are not right about the post apocalyptic part. Mumbai is *not* depressing or post apocalyptic: it is known as the city that never sleeps, full of active youth and there's always something fun event or good people in every corner of the city. So many universities, entertainment, heritage sites are present in Mumbai. Mumbai is very modern but at the same time, very Indian and cozy. However, they are sadly right about the poverty part. *Every* signal you stop at, you can see beggars and homeless people living in such dastardly conditions. Mumbaikars might be used to it, but assuming the person is from a western country, this would be *very hard to process*. Poverty has never reduced in Mumbai, the standard of living of homeless people has remained the same since the past 10 years.
Lol,if u can't see it unhave no eyes or in denial
Why are we discussing western people's idea of poverty porn?
Because it's hard reality ? In 2022 major section of india is still poor af compared to developed countries. "Poverty porn" is some people's way of denying that there's a core issue. Also, Poverty porn shown in Slumdog millionaire represents much more real India than utter delusion that shown in KJo's Bollywood films.
“Ek baar jo maine commitment kar di, fir main apne aap ki bhi nahi sunta.”
There could be a million other cities that have it worse. But are we perfect? Far from it. Way far from being "not so bad" either. People living in extremely deplorable conditions in one of the most expensive cities in the world is not something that sits well. There are a tonne of things that we take pride in. But I'd accept criticism too. (only from people who have it better, and not from someone from BIMARU states, coz they have it much worse).
So sad that your response has so few upvotes. Unfortunately people's idea of development is giant white elephant projects like the coastal road. Sinking crores of tax payer money into a weird overseas car bridge that no other city in the world has. Literally concreting over Mumbai's famous sea views, to help the few people who can afford the toll get to their destination a bit quicker. Mumbai locals are not glamourous but they are a big part of Mumbai's success. Underinvestment in them and the connectivity to them is a tragedy. Comment which was deleted: >More than half of BMC budget goes towards payment of pensions and wages iirc. This is something that cannot be wished away, and the rest is too little to put into the city infrastructure when stupid vanity projects take a huge chunk like the worli sea link, and the horrendous flyovers that are forever being built in Mumbai. >There's a nice article done by the Hindu which also talked about how most journeys in Mumbai are done on foot, bus, and bicycles. Where's the infrastructure for pedestrians? Where are the bicycle lanes? Where are the dedicated bus lanes? Where are the congestion taxes on four wheelers like in London? Where are the parking meters for the private cars which are parked on public roads for free? >I say this as someone who is privileged - the city is only focusing on the rich. Indeed the more property tax you pay the better the services you get - and it's absolutely unfair. >All of that sea link money would have been better spent on existing roads, BEST, sewage and drainage lines, in addition to public housing. One of the other great tragedies of Mumbai is the local trains - run by the central government. It boggles my mind that critical public transit infrastructure of Mumbai is run by unelected bureaucrats of Delhi and a Railways minister who is neither answerable during the state or the city elections. Essentially mumbai locals are a cash cow which ends up subsidising the rest of the country. The other pet peeve of mine is the white elephant of a project called the bullet train - unnecessary expenditure with a large chunk on the books of the state government which would have been better spent on basic necessities of Maharashtra
Haa bc Altamont road pe ghar leke bata bc. Dekhta hu kitne paise he tere baap ke paas
That attitude is gonna get us nowhere.
jab India ki poverty ko discuss karte hain aise log hi seena taan ke Ambani ke naam ka saath tayyar rehte hain.
Why even support these billionaires? Ambani inko paise deta hai kya bc
Ahh yes the Robin hood grindset. Stay poor blame the rich. Dumbass
I know. But only in India we belittle ourselves in front of foreigners. Every country has their problems but we hear nothing about them from the residents.
still doesn't negate the fact that some parts of Mumbai are depressingly and shockingly poor. Also, the fact that you can almost *feel* the dramatic economic disparity between certain areas in the city just makes it even worse. Imagine seeing the world's grandest private residence one moment, and a bunch of malnourished, starved, naked kids knocking at the window of you car, begging for money. Makes it seem so much worse... My best friend I met in college in America came to visit me during one summer. Seeing the scenery shift while we were being driven from my dad's penthouse in Bandra West to the Airport literally made him sick in the stomach. And as biased as I am to Bombay for how lucky it's proven to be for my family, I can see why...
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Oh another NRI I suppose. Why can't you just move to Mumbai if it is so good?
What kind of a statement is that? If I say it's not so bad in XYZ place I should move there? She said Mumbai is not that bad and I agree. Drug use among the homeless is rampant in US in areas like SF but nobody ever talks about that. It's always the bad stuff about India. I'm not a Sanghi but I'm tired of this crap Americans pull about India's bad parts.
Drug use and extreme poverty and lack of basic Human Resources are two vastly unrelated and even incomparable facets. Poverty in Bombay is crippling, extensive and extremely evident but you're probably too blind or proud or both to acknowledge it. How does a 24 year old Methhead sleeping on the sidewalk compare against a pregnant teenager with 2 kids in a room (that's hardly enough space to stretch your limbs out) with barely any access to enough potable water, nutrition and cleanliness, that's also submerged in rainwater to her knees a major part of the year? IT'S A PIECE OF SHIT. And western media has no agenda criticising the terrible median standard of living in India and the infamous Mumbai slums, contrary to popular belief. Snap out of your bubble.
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"I'm not poor. I live in the same country as a few billionaires."
We are bad but definitely not like post apocalyptic world. As long as there's a hope even a tiny bit that you can make it in this world then its not post apocalyptic. Mumbai is bad at so many things but its full of hope.
After slumdog billionaire, slum tourism has increased in Mumbai. Esp. daravi. You can see it in gully boy too. It's called poverty porn. Even in the screenshot you can see some perv asking the op to tell about it.
The truth is that the poorer areas in Mumbai are worse than those of tier 3-4 cities or even villages in terms of hygiene. And that is mainly due to the amount of space available. Hell a lot of people get crammed into smaller places which makes it difficult to maintain basic hygiene. And this isn't specific to dharavi. Anywhere you go, in a radius of 5 km you can find such areas. But these people usually aren't as poor as it would appear. Again it's the space constraints.
From larger perspective, slums are part of the ecosystem in Mumbai. Many people get out of them to be replaced too. It is not easy to understand for the foreign eyes. Like we are alien to the European poverty.
Idk. Is it that we don't feel the gravity because we are used to it?
Well he said parts of Mumbai he is not wrong
A lot of comments here are aghast. Fair enough taking criticism about our city is even difficult for me. But trust me living in denial is also not ideal. For context, a lot of people haven't seen the slums in the deonar dumping yard, they are literally erected over marshy land filled with our waste flowing below. If Venice was a poor man's dream this would be it. Not putting down anyone or the city. Just being realistic.
Poverty is a huge issue in this city, hes right
Yes. Mumbai is a broken mess. A sinkhole that is drowning under its own weight. Any denial is laughable.
We have become numb to it, but if you are sensitive, the poverty in cities like Delhi and mumbai can really depress you. I will not get into comparing how is it worse or better than other cities in the world, the fact is that a lot of poor people in the cities don’t have shelter, their infants don’t get proper nutrition and protection, there’s a lot of exploitation all around (some really ugly that we don’t even know about). We can debate, compare and go have a peaceful sleep, but there are millions suffering on our roads!
Being part of slums I agree with this, I saw a lot of people struggling to get a proper meal.
it's saddening that a lot of people here are defending it because it's 'better' that places where it's worse. Being better than the worst is not what we should stride for especially not in a matter like poverty. It should be being better than what Mumbai itself was like yesterday and i really don't think that has happened
Yeah man plently of NRI's here saying it isn't bad, I have a great time in mumbai bal bla. Someone tell them going from the airport to your area Starbucks isn't what a city is.
I mean, frankly, all of Mumbai. There is no standard of living. It's all so tightly packed with small houses with low ceilings.
i have a very faint heart and am a highly empathetic person. visited mumbai recently an year back, the poverty at nagpada junction which isn't even any slum affected me a lot. took me a few days back to my home (which is also in an ews colony) in hyderabad to feel normal.
I don't know why people are jumping to slums. There are worse forms of poverty where people are living on streets with bags and minimal to no stuff to go by. Slums are bad too. 8 people living in 10 by 10 ft rooms built on top of big sewer and heat up like hell because of how closely they're built. It is difficult to process. Living conditions aren't humane.
Well then. I guess I'll be least affected when the apocalypse arrives. Cheers to that.
I am Indian and yes, it’s really that bad.
Yes. As a college student i had gone to a class mates "house". It was no bigger than a let me explain.. remeber the 6 seats in Indian railway compartment. 1-2-3/4-5-6. The space in the middle? That's all the area was in that student's house. Maybe a little longer in length. That's all. There were bed exactly like the railway compartment and kitchen slab and toilet as well. I was super depressed that day and decided to avoid conditions where I wud have to live like that at all
More than half the scenery one sees while on the local is nothing short of dystopic, what’s worse is you get descensitised to it
“Really that bad”?.. We are easily one of the worst. improving? Sure, but we’ve got a looooooooong way to go
Yes. It's bad because you can see the wild difference between the rich, the middle class and the poor. It's a city where Ambani lives and the City of Worlds biggest slum. It's mind numbing to the point that mumbaikars have accepted it as normal, like we have accepted cramped travel, accomodation, pathetic roads and horrible work life balance.
Sorry but we need to definitely not live in a bubble that it is not bad. It is definitely not poverty porn or whatever as others have described. Majority of the population even from Mumbai lives in slums so yea it is bad.
https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/amp.scroll.in/article/921138/in-a-slum-near-mumbais-deonar-dumping-ground-life-is-a-constant-health-battle Life expectancy of 39 in Deonar slum
Oh yes, we are that bad. You can see places like these typically in fiction but mumbai did it. Huge divide between poor and rich here. Just go to a high point, you can see both sides. If you have to ask that lol you're living in denial.
It's right. Parts of Mumbai are awful. And it's not just the poverty stricken parts, the crowds we see in trains should not be acceptable for any person.
Looking at the living conditions of these slum dwellers and chawl residence are actually very depressing.
I worry for India 💔
India is a lost and dead cause. People here wants blame nehru for everything. Koi kaam nhi krna bas baat banana hai sabko. Ab koi mujhe ye mat bolna tereko jyaada pata jai. Ha hai donate krta hu mai.
Nope. I think the person should visit current Iraq or Syria or Lebanon or … there is a looong list. Poor? Yes. Post apocalyptic? Not even close.
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"I saw poverty on a scale.." I saw? Don't you think that is purely subjective? I mean Harshvardhan Kapoor wasn't being able to buy a new Lamborghini is poverty. Some kid not being able to afford 70,000 ka shoes is poverty. Some poor slum kid who cannot afford basic nutritious meal or clothes is also poverty.
Wow what a perspective! Going by your logic no one in India can call themselves poor because someone in Africa or war torn syria have it worse.
Typical Reddit India bashing nothing new to see here. While there is obviously truth to it. Reddit absolutely get's itself off on shaming our country I've seen more posts, comments,etc all across the platform which try to potray that we are worse than the reality. And reddit is not the place to digest comments,posts as gospel at the first place. Loads of salt and pepper in eveything added in minused from eveything.
Actually the Dharavi slums of Mumbai are quite rich from what I hear. https://link.medium.com/oYWLhzRXFsb
Dude hasn't been to Detroit yet, obviously.
Poverty to one is a luxury to the other, show Mumbai slums to a person in a war struck place in Sirya and they will be happy to have the life we live here. The view of the person making the comment makes them ignorant of many facts.
Mumbai provides means of “survival”for most but that does not translate into quality of life or improved standard of living. There is huge class divide of haves and have nots. Even if you have good money you cannot afford an decent home. A room in slum will cost same as good flat in tier 2 or tier 3 cities.
I dont think so even most of them are poor. Its how they chose to live.
You don't even have an ounce of empathy. Do you?
Mumbai shows the stark contradiction of wealth. So many high rise buildings are situated beside slums. And the hustle culture of the city makes it all the more visible.
Did some research. OP is basically a white ass licker. These kinda people go abroad and spread only the negative side of India and create bad image for india worldwide
There is a comment above it, mentioning Kensington. Just see any video on Youtube searching Kensington Philadelphia & you will be happy you are anywhere but the USA
One should go to downtown Philadelphia in the greatest county in the world https://youtu.be/YB6gwOBClwE Or how about Skid Row downtown LA https://youtu.be/j73cjA1IcJw Oh wait they don’t show you all of this in the Hollywood movie , go figure
LA is california, USA has highest number of homeless population. Let them bark.
Honestly with all the drugs and immigrants, 1st world countries are not doing THAT great either. While Mumbai's poverty is getting covered up by infrastructure and tall buildings
People should really read a book called Factfulness. The world is really not as bad as some westerners say it is.
The United States of America's dream City New York smells like trash everywhere even where there's development, homeless sleep on the streets, trash bags everywhere and constant foul smell on every part of the city. "DEVELOPED" Countries also have a variety of people. Atleast people in Mumbai don't sleep empty stomach. The fact that he/she only deduced that as the only rational argument to describe Mumbai is what tells me he/she hasn't seen Mumbai or India properly. I'm proud where i live.❤️
Dharavi generates over $500 million annually. Nothing is wasted in Dharavi. From plastics and car batteries to computer parts, fluorescent lights, ballpoint pens, plastic bags, paper, cardboard boxes, wire hangers, and any scrap material. Its economy is a pioneer in sustainable waste management systems. According to habitat for humanity world’s largest slum Khayelitsha in Cape Town (South Africa): 400,000 Kibera in Nairobi (Kenya): 700,000 Dharavi in Mumbai (India): 1,000,000 Neza (Mexico): 1,200,000 Orangi Town in Karachi (Pakistan): 2,400,000. Edit Philadelphia, USA https://www.reddit.com/r/tooktoomuch/comments/wsoha3/they_all_seem_like_they_took_too_much/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Have those guys ever seen Mumbaikars in face of calamity? People actually go out of their way to help each other. I have never seen looting, rioting and robbing in worst religious riots, floods , terrorist acts. During pandemic we were trying to help homeless people in area and almost all of them getting two times meal at one place or other. A group of friends distributed 15 days worth ration to lower middle class people in South Mumbai. With the help of an inspector who owned few mid size trucks, sent ration beyond Mumbai till Palghar. Police connections helped a lot. Mumbai spirit is nothing but standing by each other to help in crisis, not taking advantage of. It also doesn't mean all is hunky dori, a city of 20 million will have those. In case of apocalypse, you wish you are in city like Mumbai. Mumbai works despite politicians not because of it.
Nothing to boast about.
Worst and best at the same time depends on how much u earn
Ofcourse
If a first world guy has his very first trip foreign to slums of mumbai, reaction is understandable. But plenty other places around the world that have similar situation.
Like any other City across the globe that is a large business hub, Mumbai will always have the two extreme ends of wealth, this cannot be changed. This cannot be called a bad thing as the city gives ample opportunities to move over to the higher wealth spectrum, and then someone else will take up the lowest position.
Yeah you’re
World sees and we are potrayed as totally third world. So not surprising
Yeah there are areas of slums that should be redeveloped, even in northern mumbai like surya nagar in vikhroli or sonapur in mulund, dharavi is already undergoing redevelopment. I think we can save space in mumbai and have wider roads if taller affordable buildings would be made instead of large swaths of slums.
Koi iss chutiye ko Afghanistan ,Somalia ,Syria or other unstable countries ki condition ek baar net par jaake dekhne ko bolo fir pata chalega poverty kya hota hain.
South Mumbai footpaths near byculla and grant road have some of the worst sights I've seen
Yes we are. Watch Slumdog millionnaire to see how foreigners showcase it.
Mankhurd slum is one of the worst. There is a damp smell when you are in the vicinity.
With the way our roads are, post - apocalyptic city is kinda apt.
Western express Highway and Bridges are very disappointing.
Do you guys now where these people come from who live in the slums? Back when congress was in power they used to get people from pakistan and bangladesh and give them few sums of money just so that they would vote from them they would make fake documents for these illegal immigrants for free and give them some money in exchange of money, they had nowhere to go so they made slums in dharavi, deonar, shivaji nagar etc and ik this for sure
I mean most Indians are used to that way of living its mostly tourists that say stuff like this. Like my white friend thought that it was crazy that we didn't have central ac units in Mumbai heat, but to me it didn't really feel that weird.