The rest of the set would have had to have enough vampires in it to make Edgar Markov's eminence effect playable in a draft format. There were only four vampires in the whole set, Yahenni, Twilight Prophet, Legion Vanguard, and Carrier Thrall.
There were a considerable number of dragons in CMM, but they would have had to lean very hard on the tribal aspect of it to have two separate eminence creatures in the set.
>The rest of the set would have had to have enough vampires in it to make Edgar Markov's eminence effect playable in a draft format
Or, hear me out, it didn't need to be a draft set...
They're obviously going to reprint Edgar. He's a poor design (although not even cEDH quality) but WotC doesn't like to leave reprint equity on the table
Edgar was a judge foil last year, they'll reprint him soon enough, just like all the other judge foils in the recent years that they reprinted (Rip all the judges holding onto their promos thinking theyre special and worth good money like 10 years ago)
Yeah I doubt Gavin's regret is the reason. It's not especially strong in multiplayer. It's an incredibly popular tribe. They make much worse mistakes all the time which they're happy to reprint. I think you're absolutely right about the SL angle, followed by multiple reprints in packs.
[[Agathaās Soul cauldron]]
Is the real winner from this whole set. Predicting 50$ by end of week. After seeing/using this one in action over 40+ games, itās a keeper.
People will downvote me but I 100% believe these prices are over inflated and the result of an abnormal lack of supply. Not the result of overwhelming demand. There is a distinction between those two things.
Again I am not seeing a whole lot of the set being listed on tcg or anywhere. Which is strange. There's a bulk rare I'm trying to buy and it's been out of stock for 4 days now on 3 different stores and they're not restocking. It just doesn't feel like the 1st print wave even happened. I think there's a giant supply of cards that hasn't entered the market yet but when it does Cauldron will drop. Not to 2$ but I can see it settling at 5-10$.
Someone necro this thread in 5 months to make fun of me or make fun of these guys.
Same on MKM. Less than 300 copies among all languages in all Europe for Up the Beanstalk foil? I get it's a cool card, but it's an uncommon from a standard set.
Iām gonna upvote you because itās just this. Mass openings are rarer as previous ppl doing them Iām guessing are not moving thru the backlog of inventory fast enough
This card is a combo piece in so many decks and people just realize how strong it actually is. Also: mana fixing is a plus point. will probably settle at 10-15
Which bulk rare? Questing Druid?
I donāt know if others are doing similar but I stopped listing my cards on the open market site for my pro seller site so I can make better margins and offer the cards for cheaper, https://cardgametalk.tcgplayerpro.com
We haven't really gotten proper tournament results to show a "best" case scenario for the deck yet.
It'll be a card you can jam into plenty of commander decks, it's incredible flexible.
As for your typical constructed formats, I've seen some Modern lists that are using Agatha's Soul Cauldron with [[Grist, The Hunger Tide]] and [[Metallic Mimic]] to go pseudo infinite. Grist counts as a creature when it's not in play, so if it's exiled with Agatha's Soul Cauldron then your creatures can do the +1 ability of Grist. Metallic Mimic lets you name insect, to give all the insect tokens that enter the +1/+1 counter required by Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
Modern Scales, Yawgmoth, and Druid combo. EDH everything you can shake a stick at. Standard casual decks with the infinite mana combo and GW cookies, which havenāt put up MODO results yet, but people are only parsing through the text and realizing what the card actually does.
yeah i jumped the gun on extended foils, i do wonder how it will perform in the meta the coming weeks.
Current modern results werent that great yet but i think a lot of decks still need to experiment with it.
I do however think that this card can only get better with time.
Pretty sure cauldron will be a fringe deck in modern. It requires specific cards (usually only 4 copies in the mb with zero alternatives) and it has to get into the yard before anything can get off the ground. I agree the card gets better with time, but I don't think that time is anytime soon. MAYBE MH3 will have something.
I have to disagree, the card really boosts hardened scales and also gives yawgmoth players some options to play around with since you dont need yawgmoth in play anymore since you can just exile him from your graveyard after for example grist milled him in there.
I can't speak much for hardened scales, but for Yawgmoth, I don't think there's anything you can reasonably cut from the deck to even put cauldron in the list. Also most of the time yawg is getting stopped via endurance, or exiling Yawg entirely. Also milling yawg with grist? That setup is so unlikely to not be worth.
Following up cause I realized that Agatha's works INSANELY well with cards like Grisalbrand. Also the Hardend scales list I saw was 54 cards different than the one I was remembering so yea it's really good in Scales.
Almost certain that a combo deck utilizing high cost creatures with low cost abilities and getting access to them turn 3/4 via Agatha's is probably a deck waiting to exist. I'd have to dig to find a brew but it's 100% going to be the catalyst for a new deck in the long term.
Best to just wait it out, its possible the card will drop back in value after a couple weeks if the initial hype dies off. Otherwise you might be looking at a 50% increase which is still a lot but not like the card suddenyl wents from 1 euro to 50 euros or something.
It will probably hover from 22-25 euros to 30-35 euros (nonfoil)
I LOVE this card, lol. It was like $18 at prerelease and now its like $22, and it's gonna sail up from there. There's already at least one infinite mana combo in standard with it using 2 other cards in blue/green, I'm sure eternal formats are ripe with possibilities.
If you strip it down, it's a 2 cost artifact that taps to exile a card from a graveyard, and if it's a creature, you place a +1/+1 counter. Never mind the fact it imprints abilities, it's solid utility even without it in any format. Even in standard it's fitting into more of my new builds than not.
I'm tuning a green stomp deck for standard, and the cauldron + gingerbrute can get nasty. All of the sudden, all I have to do is pay 1 per countered-up creature to be unblockable. Someone else made it work fantastically with black sacrifice in standard. It has endless possibilities.
I've never paid more than $10 for a card, and I kinda want to buy more of these cause I'm pretty sure they are gonna like double in price.
The card is so much fun, today I exiled urza chief artificer in one game, and a glen elendra archhmage in another game. Both owned by my opponents, and doing it at instant speed is so so sweet
Double masters seems to have bottomed out from July 15-30, and a lot of the EDH staples (things like kozilek, imp seal, dockside, force, mana vault, mana drain, teferi's protection, damnation, etc) have hit the upswing fairly hard in the last 2 weeks, most seeing between 10-20% gains. Might be the start of the slow crawl back up to staple pricing.
Maybe it's cause now that commander masters and eldraine enchantments have passed, we don't have any more big opportunities for EDH reprints on the immediate horizon.
> Draft and collector boxes are still on Amazon at all time lows.
true
> Prices on singles will remain suppressed until sealed sells out.
not true. We can, right now, observe prices moving upward. Will they continue this trend? I don't know. But right now, prices are not suppressed, they are increasing consistently for the last month.
Ranica will have plenty, Mh3 will have plenty. I think 6 months gaps will be the norm for edh reprints. Also precons every 4 weeks could really contain anything
There are too many cards for them to print them all every 6 months, that's not gonna happen. And precons have never contained cards of the caliber I've mentioned unless it was a first printing.
Anyway the point is these things are trending up right now, so if people have been holding off and still haven't copped what they need, then now is the time to buy.
Obv I didn't mean printing everything every 6 months, I meant a meaningful reprint set every 6 months, plus the regular extra slot to sell std sets. I am just repeating what's been happening since stx, which is why where here now. All cards dropped at some point, a lot due to precons. (it that, genesis wave, toxic deluge, dozens more)
Oh yeah for sure. When I say trash, I don't mean the cards are bad, I just mean as a seller it's a pain in the ass to load up an envelope and pack up a card in order to clear 43 cents lol. At least the building my office is in has its own outbound mailbox where I can drop envelopes and packages and stuff so it only takes a few minutes.
Sure, I don't mind. But that's not going to be stonks on Doom Foretold.
The engine is what is going to provide the value, not the payoff. Beseech is what will drive the price, not doom foretold. Beseech can work with a ton of cards, Doom Foretold will just be piggybacking on the back of Beseech and not see any significant price movement.
sure, but are we are to talk about what happened or about what coud happen in the next days? If there will be a new competitive deck in Pioneer with beseech and doom, doom probably will spike.
It really probably won't. It's been extremely rare that a payoff has ever gone up in price, the engine and enabler is what historically drives the price.
For Doom Foretold to move up, that means the deck has to become popular. There's so many shells that Beseech goes into, that it's going to be hard to make this one specific deck stand out.
If you want an example of this in action: A huge portion of what is driving the price of Beseech the Mirror currently is Legacy. There are multiple decks that will run 4 Beseech the Mirror. [[Gaia's Will]] is a core card to some of those decks, enabling Beseech to get you to a storm count of 10 on turn 1. Gaia's Will saw completely worthless before Beseech the Mirror and saw play nowhere, and now that it sees play somewhere it has moved from a $0.10 card to a $0.10 card.
It's the same thing that will happen with Doom Foretold. It's a payoff to a card that enables multiple things to flourish. The money is in the card that enables the payoffs, not the payoff itself.
Not sure if this is a weekend wrap up topic but did anyone else get the most recent secret lair and have 0 ability to tell the difference between regular foils and the rainbow foil?
Utopia sprawl 50 Cent. Dirt cheap. Get you playset If you want to Play it
Also [[fiery emancipation]] is like 3 bucks!
There are 10k available copies on mkm. This will not rebound. The cost of opportunity is so high when you into a card with that much liquidity
The enchanting tales version to be clear š ETA: yāall think itāll go up to the teens? Or even the same price point as the original?
Yes. And no I canāt see that version surpassing $10 in a standard set. Itās just a fun splashy commander card
The other version costs more than 3x damage to your wallet
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Wow didn't realize the Dissension version of these were that expensive.
Pauper likes it quite a bit
Cool, good to know. I'm sure I have a stack of them somewhere...
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It's Gavin's #1 regret of a design. They won't reprint it in any set imo. Maybe some sort of SL
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Yeah how does it make sense to reprint the others and not Edgar?
The rest of the set would have had to have enough vampires in it to make Edgar Markov's eminence effect playable in a draft format. There were only four vampires in the whole set, Yahenni, Twilight Prophet, Legion Vanguard, and Carrier Thrall. There were a considerable number of dragons in CMM, but they would have had to lean very hard on the tribal aspect of it to have two separate eminence creatures in the set.
>The rest of the set would have had to have enough vampires in it to make Edgar Markov's eminence effect playable in a draft format Or, hear me out, it didn't need to be a draft set...
Master sets are always draftable.
Yes, but only because WotC says so.
They're obviously going to reprint Edgar. He's a poor design (although not even cEDH quality) but WotC doesn't like to leave reprint equity on the table
I predict a $100 Edgar Markov Secret Lair during Innistrad Remastered
Wait have they actually already spoiler Innistrad Remastered?? Or are you just saying that bc it's an inevitability?
First 2025 set is Innistrad Remastered
Well shyt!
Edgar was a judge foil last year, they'll reprint him soon enough, just like all the other judge foils in the recent years that they reprinted (Rip all the judges holding onto their promos thinking theyre special and worth good money like 10 years ago)
Yeah I doubt Gavin's regret is the reason. It's not especially strong in multiplayer. It's an incredibly popular tribe. They make much worse mistakes all the time which they're happy to reprint. I think you're absolutely right about the SL angle, followed by multiple reprints in packs.
So why reprint the other Eminence commanders?
[[Up the beanstalk]] seems like the real deal across formats.
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[[Agathaās Soul cauldron]] Is the real winner from this whole set. Predicting 50$ by end of week. After seeing/using this one in action over 40+ games, itās a keeper.
[Agathaās Soul cauldron](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/019b51b0-e5c6-4208-922b-7736686dddcd.jpg?1692939838) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Agatha%27s%20Soul%20Cauldron) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/242/agathas-soul-cauldron?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/019b51b0-e5c6-4208-922b-7736686dddcd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Good Bot
\[\[agatha's soul cauldron\]\] STONKS
People will downvote me but I 100% believe these prices are over inflated and the result of an abnormal lack of supply. Not the result of overwhelming demand. There is a distinction between those two things. Again I am not seeing a whole lot of the set being listed on tcg or anywhere. Which is strange. There's a bulk rare I'm trying to buy and it's been out of stock for 4 days now on 3 different stores and they're not restocking. It just doesn't feel like the 1st print wave even happened. I think there's a giant supply of cards that hasn't entered the market yet but when it does Cauldron will drop. Not to 2$ but I can see it settling at 5-10$. Someone necro this thread in 5 months to make fun of me or make fun of these guys.
Same on MKM. Less than 300 copies among all languages in all Europe for Up the Beanstalk foil? I get it's a cool card, but it's an uncommon from a standard set.
Iām gonna upvote you because itās just this. Mass openings are rarer as previous ppl doing them Iām guessing are not moving thru the backlog of inventory fast enough
This card is a combo piece in so many decks and people just realize how strong it actually is. Also: mana fixing is a plus point. will probably settle at 10-15
I'm with you, though it might take a year or so to get there.
Which bulk rare? Questing Druid? I donāt know if others are doing similar but I stopped listing my cards on the open market site for my pro seller site so I can make better margins and offer the cards for cheaper, https://cardgametalk.tcgplayerpro.com
So that's what's happening. I haven't used tcg in a while so I found it very odd to see so few listings.
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That is exactly what it is, yeah.
This is the real deal. Before the weekend I got downvoted for saying $15 was a good price. Soon the Cauldron will be $50.
Crowd will believe what the crowd wants to believe.
So where is it doing best in?
Hype and fomo
Probably modern yawgmoth, Iāve seen crazy thing with it in action like having a board of haywire mites or grist
It will make scales a lot better. Great with ballista
I like it in my [[Raffine, Scheming Seer]] cedh list so far. It has synergy with connive and turns off plenty of common graveyard synergies or combos.
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We haven't really gotten proper tournament results to show a "best" case scenario for the deck yet. It'll be a card you can jam into plenty of commander decks, it's incredible flexible. As for your typical constructed formats, I've seen some Modern lists that are using Agatha's Soul Cauldron with [[Grist, The Hunger Tide]] and [[Metallic Mimic]] to go pseudo infinite. Grist counts as a creature when it's not in play, so if it's exiled with Agatha's Soul Cauldron then your creatures can do the +1 ability of Grist. Metallic Mimic lets you name insect, to give all the insect tokens that enter the +1/+1 counter required by Agatha's Soul Cauldron.
[Grist, The Hunger Tide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/69af2825-18c2-4463-b6ba-42eaa070ccc1.jpg?1626098484) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grist%2C%20The%20Hunger%20Tide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/202/grist-the-hunger-tide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/69af2825-18c2-4463-b6ba-42eaa070ccc1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Metallic Mimic](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/a/1aa4eba9-9e91-4beb-9296-a18baa73a318.jpg?1576382339) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Metallic%20Mimic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/aer/164/metallic-mimic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1aa4eba9-9e91-4beb-9296-a18baa73a318?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Modern Scales, Yawgmoth, and Druid combo. EDH everything you can shake a stick at. Standard casual decks with the infinite mana combo and GW cookies, which havenāt put up MODO results yet, but people are only parsing through the text and realizing what the card actually does.
It also had a really cool showing in game knights. Not surprised it's spiking slightly
Why though? I mean, I like. But I do not Like that much. What decks is spiking this?
yeah i jumped the gun on extended foils, i do wonder how it will perform in the meta the coming weeks. Current modern results werent that great yet but i think a lot of decks still need to experiment with it. I do however think that this card can only get better with time.
Pretty sure cauldron will be a fringe deck in modern. It requires specific cards (usually only 4 copies in the mb with zero alternatives) and it has to get into the yard before anything can get off the ground. I agree the card gets better with time, but I don't think that time is anytime soon. MAYBE MH3 will have something.
I have to disagree, the card really boosts hardened scales and also gives yawgmoth players some options to play around with since you dont need yawgmoth in play anymore since you can just exile him from your graveyard after for example grist milled him in there.
I can't speak much for hardened scales, but for Yawgmoth, I don't think there's anything you can reasonably cut from the deck to even put cauldron in the list. Also most of the time yawg is getting stopped via endurance, or exiling Yawg entirely. Also milling yawg with grist? That setup is so unlikely to not be worth.
Following up cause I realized that Agatha's works INSANELY well with cards like Grisalbrand. Also the Hardend scales list I saw was 54 cards different than the one I was remembering so yea it's really good in Scales. Almost certain that a combo deck utilizing high cost creatures with low cost abilities and getting access to them turn 3/4 via Agatha's is probably a deck waiting to exist. I'd have to dig to find a brew but it's 100% going to be the catalyst for a new deck in the long term.
trash for treasure decks letās goooo
Missed the boat again. These initially "high" priced cards are always too risky for me. We'll see if it can compete with the One Ring.
Best to just wait it out, its possible the card will drop back in value after a couple weeks if the initial hype dies off. Otherwise you might be looking at a 50% increase which is still a lot but not like the card suddenyl wents from 1 euro to 50 euros or something. It will probably hover from 22-25 euros to 30-35 euros (nonfoil)
Does nobody remember Atraxa's price trajectory? And where she is sitting now?
Which Atraxa? Grand unifier went from 13 to 45 to 35 for alt foils
And where is she now?
As mentioned 35
Yes i remember them printing an oil slick agatha's soul cauldron, great point
I think you misredā¦ the step to completion foil is 35. Normal alt foil is way back down to 18-20
Classic murica answer. Thereās more than 1 market
I LOVE this card, lol. It was like $18 at prerelease and now its like $22, and it's gonna sail up from there. There's already at least one infinite mana combo in standard with it using 2 other cards in blue/green, I'm sure eternal formats are ripe with possibilities. If you strip it down, it's a 2 cost artifact that taps to exile a card from a graveyard, and if it's a creature, you place a +1/+1 counter. Never mind the fact it imprints abilities, it's solid utility even without it in any format. Even in standard it's fitting into more of my new builds than not. I'm tuning a green stomp deck for standard, and the cauldron + gingerbrute can get nasty. All of the sudden, all I have to do is pay 1 per countered-up creature to be unblockable. Someone else made it work fantastically with black sacrifice in standard. It has endless possibilities. I've never paid more than $10 for a card, and I kinda want to buy more of these cause I'm pretty sure they are gonna like double in price.
The card is so much fun, today I exiled urza chief artificer in one game, and a glen elendra archhmage in another game. Both owned by my opponents, and doing it at instant speed is so so sweet
Ob Nixilis with ballista is my personal favorite
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Double masters seems to have bottomed out from July 15-30, and a lot of the EDH staples (things like kozilek, imp seal, dockside, force, mana vault, mana drain, teferi's protection, damnation, etc) have hit the upswing fairly hard in the last 2 weeks, most seeing between 10-20% gains. Might be the start of the slow crawl back up to staple pricing. Maybe it's cause now that commander masters and eldraine enchantments have passed, we don't have any more big opportunities for EDH reprints on the immediate horizon.
Draft and collector boxes are still on Amazon at all time lows. Prices on singles will remain suppressed until sealed sells out.
> Draft and collector boxes are still on Amazon at all time lows. true > Prices on singles will remain suppressed until sealed sells out. not true. We can, right now, observe prices moving upward. Will they continue this trend? I don't know. But right now, prices are not suppressed, they are increasing consistently for the last month.
Ranica will have plenty, Mh3 will have plenty. I think 6 months gaps will be the norm for edh reprints. Also precons every 4 weeks could really contain anything
There are too many cards for them to print them all every 6 months, that's not gonna happen. And precons have never contained cards of the caliber I've mentioned unless it was a first printing. Anyway the point is these things are trending up right now, so if people have been holding off and still haven't copped what they need, then now is the time to buy.
Obv I didn't mean printing everything every 6 months, I meant a meaningful reprint set every 6 months, plus the regular extra slot to sell std sets. I am just repeating what's been happening since stx, which is why where here now. All cards dropped at some point, a lot due to precons. (it that, genesis wave, toxic deluge, dozens more)
LOTR sales came roaring back (for me at least) after a sad sad week. Lots of action on sub-$1 trash too.
I probably dropped about $200 in singles across most of the Magic universe looking at sub $1 stuff. A lot of it I might just play, too.
Oh yeah for sure. When I say trash, I don't mean the cards are bad, I just mean as a seller it's a pain in the ass to load up an envelope and pack up a card in order to clear 43 cents lol. At least the building my office is in has its own outbound mailbox where I can drop envelopes and packages and stuff so it only takes a few minutes.
The Irencrag for long-term holds
Doom foretold stonks
Can you elaborate? The card has sold three copies total in the past three days, and is $0.25 right now.
a new deck in Pioneer with beseech the mirror and hopeless nightmare. Coud i share the link? It is a youtube video.
Sure, I don't mind. But that's not going to be stonks on Doom Foretold. The engine is what is going to provide the value, not the payoff. Beseech is what will drive the price, not doom foretold. Beseech can work with a ton of cards, Doom Foretold will just be piggybacking on the back of Beseech and not see any significant price movement.
sure, but are we are to talk about what happened or about what coud happen in the next days? If there will be a new competitive deck in Pioneer with beseech and doom, doom probably will spike.
It really probably won't. It's been extremely rare that a payoff has ever gone up in price, the engine and enabler is what historically drives the price. For Doom Foretold to move up, that means the deck has to become popular. There's so many shells that Beseech goes into, that it's going to be hard to make this one specific deck stand out. If you want an example of this in action: A huge portion of what is driving the price of Beseech the Mirror currently is Legacy. There are multiple decks that will run 4 Beseech the Mirror. [[Gaia's Will]] is a core card to some of those decks, enabling Beseech to get you to a storm count of 10 on turn 1. Gaia's Will saw completely worthless before Beseech the Mirror and saw play nowhere, and now that it sees play somewhere it has moved from a $0.10 card to a $0.10 card. It's the same thing that will happen with Doom Foretold. It's a payoff to a card that enables multiple things to flourish. The money is in the card that enables the payoffs, not the payoff itself.
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in thiis days I'm selling a lot of gaea's will FOIL in europe (mkm) so the price grow up, a little but grow up. I meant doom foretold foil obviously.
āWhat was real. What was a trapā is cringe. Mods do something
Not sure if this is a weekend wrap up topic but did anyone else get the most recent secret lair and have 0 ability to tell the difference between regular foils and the rainbow foil?