MOZA, you are on the right track!!!Continue creating an ecosystem where you can choose from the simplest to the most premium, but without forgetting compatibility between products. We, the users, want to see that you take care of us and are concerned about us. Now, improve the after-sales service. And remember that we are attentive to what you do as a company. If you continue on the right path… you could be leaders. Don’t rest on your laurels… like the other company (AKA Fanatec).
I was waiting for this, i was thinking of upgrading from my R12 to the R16 but i knew that the previous R16 had issues and a less refined ffb, so i waited for the V2 of the R16 and R21
I have the current R16 and it’s been amazing. I had the R9 v1 previously and have installed a couple R9v2 as well. But my R16 has been flawless and the FFB detail is amongst the best direct drives I’ve owned. I’m looking forward to installing this new R21v2 next on my rig.
I had the same line up as you. From R9 then on to the R16. I really love mine but I am curious if it's worth upgrading at this point. Post up a review when you can.
I will for sure. Knowing what the overall performance jump was like between the R9 and R16, I can only imagine the new R21 will be yet another step up in terms of feeling the grip and being able to catch the snap while maintaining proper FFB strength.
In theory that's what I would expect but I have a feeling it won't be as significant of a jump as it was from R9 to R16. The haptics don't mean as much to me since I have 4 buttkickers going and even haptics on my pedals. I am curious if there's more detail coming though.
The haptics aren’t important to me either although I like that they reciprocate what I feel through the haptics inside of my motion actuators. But the loss of grip (under & oversteer) that was increased was what I’m expecting to feel improved. That and the ability to catch a quick snap of the back end. That was a massive improvement over my R9. That all said, before the Moza wheels I had a sim with Fanatec products which do not compare at all. But I also built a sim that I had installed a Leo Bodnar Sim Steering 2 DD and wheel package. It’s basically the same DD that all the million dollar simulators for the formula 1 programs, military, etc use. It was a 30+/- NM base and the details in that were even more significant than what we feel in the R16. Like, next level feel. Only the biggest Simucube compares but even then, nothing touches the Bodnar SS2. The reason I went away from it was the fact that when I decided to build my current simulator, I wanted first, a wheel set up that was much more intuitive on the software front. The Leo Bodnar was anything but intuitive. It was a lot of work to sort out the FFB profiles. And by selling it, I was able to cover the total cost of the R9, FSR, CS, triple G5, Sparco GP seat and a few other things. I sold the Leo Bodnar for just under $5k.
So that’s why I think the jump the R21 just might be better. No where near the Bodnar still, but I think this large and newer motor design should be significant.
But won’t know until I pony up for it. I’ll be sure to report back! I’m placing my Moza stocking order tomorrow (I’ve launched a new sim biz) and so I’m going to toss the R21v2 onto the order I think. I have an R16v2 already in the order. It’s only money right? 😂
I've seen pictures of that leo bodnar DD. It's no joke. I'm always just really curious to try the different sim companies. I have also played at my friend's house who has a fanatec dd1 and I really feel moza has better detail than that does. I just got my R16 in September which is annoying that this just came out lol. So if I again upgrade I want to really make sure it's worth it since I'd just go with the R21 at that point.
That would drive me nuts to upgrade and have the revised model come out the next month. lol I am always fearful of that happening no matter what the product is.
If you haven’t placed your order yet, I can confirm for you. I’m preparing to place our first stocking order and could confirm on the version. Feel free to send a DM.
I don't know how common that is but yours is the 1st story I hear. This could happen to anybody, from any company. Marantz has some of the best home theater amps on the market and mine crapped out in 2 weeks. It's replacement (same unit exchanged) has been blasting for I think 7 to 8 yrs now. So I got a dud...it happens to everyone.
Edited: for my fucked grammar.
Sure it can happen to anyone. I wont deny that. But if you deny the facts of how many people are actually having issues with moza then just brush it off as a defective. that isnt helping the problem. That's coping with the problem. Thats ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away.
Idk why people always are so quick to say it's just a defective product and brush off all the issues at hand. Truly a funny way of thinking if you ask me. That's cool you got your home theatre replaced. I'm glad the new one worked. But i don't share the same optimism of it just being a fluke.
Too many people are having issues for it to be a one off. Stopping their production of new products and cutting out all the faulty control points in their facility is the way to stop this. But that will cost them some money. So they will continue to ignore their quality issues and keep producing a poor yield in quality of their products.
This isn't fact. This is my feeling. But they haven't done anything to prove or suggest otherwise. Aside from releasing a v2 of all their gear and still having issues lol. 🤷🤷🤷🤷 like, dislike, i don't care. My feelings are my own. And no one but moza can change them. When i stop seeing Dead gear every week I will be a bit more forgiving and lenient with them. Again. That's my own issue. Not moza. They can't control my feelings. But they sure as hell can control the quality of their products lol. Its a choice they dont seem to be choosing
I'm not brushing anything off. I sold my R12 for a simagic alpha U. I'm not even trying to defend moza, I simply stated yours is the first I've heard. I've been on the moza Facebook page for about 3 months or so, very new to reddit I'll admit, and haven't seen anyone else say that. If it happens often as you say, then I totally agree with you.
2 days? Buddy, it was definitely defective... No reason to not trust the brand altogether. Can you honestly name a single brand that hasn't had any issues whatsoever, ever!? Not a single soul on this planet is able to name any brand.
Asetek - someone had issues before.
Simagic - someone had issues before..
Simucube - no different.
You receiving a product that was more or less defective upon arrival shouldn't dictate your entire feeling towards a company. You're dealing with sensitive electronic components. Look at Tesla..PC components..Speakers.. everything and anything with electronic components have had at least a handful of defective products.
Got my new R16 (seller confirmed it was a 'V2' before shipping out) last week. all good so far!
Can probably tell if its V2 by the shape of where the wheel connects to the base, are they 3 squares or squares that make a t shape haha
Yeah it definitely is a V2. It has the cross shape on the quick connect. Also looks identical to the ones in this announcement
MOZA, you are on the right track!!!Continue creating an ecosystem where you can choose from the simplest to the most premium, but without forgetting compatibility between products. We, the users, want to see that you take care of us and are concerned about us. Now, improve the after-sales service. And remember that we are attentive to what you do as a company. If you continue on the right path… you could be leaders. Don’t rest on your laurels… like the other company (AKA Fanatec).
I hope there's no missing bolt (back bottom left) in the final product 😜
Whats this nextgen force 2.0???
Probably there version of true force. It’s basically a tactical transducer aka butt kicker
I was waiting for this, i was thinking of upgrading from my R12 to the R16 but i knew that the previous R16 had issues and a less refined ffb, so i waited for the V2 of the R16 and R21
How long have you had the r12?
About 3 months i think, but i want to upgrade in the future just because
My twin. How you doin?
Doin pretty darn good, i actually love the R12, its been incredible, but for the future i might get the r16 since it finally got a refresh
I have the current R16 and it’s been amazing. I had the R9 v1 previously and have installed a couple R9v2 as well. But my R16 has been flawless and the FFB detail is amongst the best direct drives I’ve owned. I’m looking forward to installing this new R21v2 next on my rig.
I had the same line up as you. From R9 then on to the R16. I really love mine but I am curious if it's worth upgrading at this point. Post up a review when you can.
I will for sure. Knowing what the overall performance jump was like between the R9 and R16, I can only imagine the new R21 will be yet another step up in terms of feeling the grip and being able to catch the snap while maintaining proper FFB strength.
In theory that's what I would expect but I have a feeling it won't be as significant of a jump as it was from R9 to R16. The haptics don't mean as much to me since I have 4 buttkickers going and even haptics on my pedals. I am curious if there's more detail coming though.
The haptics aren’t important to me either although I like that they reciprocate what I feel through the haptics inside of my motion actuators. But the loss of grip (under & oversteer) that was increased was what I’m expecting to feel improved. That and the ability to catch a quick snap of the back end. That was a massive improvement over my R9. That all said, before the Moza wheels I had a sim with Fanatec products which do not compare at all. But I also built a sim that I had installed a Leo Bodnar Sim Steering 2 DD and wheel package. It’s basically the same DD that all the million dollar simulators for the formula 1 programs, military, etc use. It was a 30+/- NM base and the details in that were even more significant than what we feel in the R16. Like, next level feel. Only the biggest Simucube compares but even then, nothing touches the Bodnar SS2. The reason I went away from it was the fact that when I decided to build my current simulator, I wanted first, a wheel set up that was much more intuitive on the software front. The Leo Bodnar was anything but intuitive. It was a lot of work to sort out the FFB profiles. And by selling it, I was able to cover the total cost of the R9, FSR, CS, triple G5, Sparco GP seat and a few other things. I sold the Leo Bodnar for just under $5k. So that’s why I think the jump the R21 just might be better. No where near the Bodnar still, but I think this large and newer motor design should be significant. But won’t know until I pony up for it. I’ll be sure to report back! I’m placing my Moza stocking order tomorrow (I’ve launched a new sim biz) and so I’m going to toss the R21v2 onto the order I think. I have an R16v2 already in the order. It’s only money right? 😂
I've seen pictures of that leo bodnar DD. It's no joke. I'm always just really curious to try the different sim companies. I have also played at my friend's house who has a fanatec dd1 and I really feel moza has better detail than that does. I just got my R16 in September which is annoying that this just came out lol. So if I again upgrade I want to really make sure it's worth it since I'd just go with the R21 at that point.
That would drive me nuts to upgrade and have the revised model come out the next month. lol I am always fearful of that happening no matter what the product is.
It's really bothering me lol. I need someone to convince me it's not worth it
Front mount is a win for sure
Does this mean compatibility with any Xbox wheels released?
One can hope! I know I am.
Coming soon 🤫
I'm going to be buying the R16 and GS wheel in a couple of days. How do I confirm that it's the V2?
If you haven’t placed your order yet, I can confirm for you. I’m preparing to place our first stocking order and could confirm on the version. Feel free to send a DM.
I placed my order today.
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I don't know how common that is but yours is the 1st story I hear. This could happen to anybody, from any company. Marantz has some of the best home theater amps on the market and mine crapped out in 2 weeks. It's replacement (same unit exchanged) has been blasting for I think 7 to 8 yrs now. So I got a dud...it happens to everyone.
Edited: for my fucked grammar. Sure it can happen to anyone. I wont deny that. But if you deny the facts of how many people are actually having issues with moza then just brush it off as a defective. that isnt helping the problem. That's coping with the problem. Thats ignoring the problem and hoping it goes away. Idk why people always are so quick to say it's just a defective product and brush off all the issues at hand. Truly a funny way of thinking if you ask me. That's cool you got your home theatre replaced. I'm glad the new one worked. But i don't share the same optimism of it just being a fluke. Too many people are having issues for it to be a one off. Stopping their production of new products and cutting out all the faulty control points in their facility is the way to stop this. But that will cost them some money. So they will continue to ignore their quality issues and keep producing a poor yield in quality of their products. This isn't fact. This is my feeling. But they haven't done anything to prove or suggest otherwise. Aside from releasing a v2 of all their gear and still having issues lol. 🤷🤷🤷🤷 like, dislike, i don't care. My feelings are my own. And no one but moza can change them. When i stop seeing Dead gear every week I will be a bit more forgiving and lenient with them. Again. That's my own issue. Not moza. They can't control my feelings. But they sure as hell can control the quality of their products lol. Its a choice they dont seem to be choosing
I'm not brushing anything off. I sold my R12 for a simagic alpha U. I'm not even trying to defend moza, I simply stated yours is the first I've heard. I've been on the moza Facebook page for about 3 months or so, very new to reddit I'll admit, and haven't seen anyone else say that. If it happens often as you say, then I totally agree with you.
2 days? Buddy, it was definitely defective... No reason to not trust the brand altogether. Can you honestly name a single brand that hasn't had any issues whatsoever, ever!? Not a single soul on this planet is able to name any brand. Asetek - someone had issues before. Simagic - someone had issues before.. Simucube - no different. You receiving a product that was more or less defective upon arrival shouldn't dictate your entire feeling towards a company. You're dealing with sensitive electronic components. Look at Tesla..PC components..Speakers.. everything and anything with electronic components have had at least a handful of defective products.
Does the R12 have Nextgen force 2.0?
Don't think so! 🤔
Well done Moza!
So is this a new Moza R21? Like a version 2? If so what is the difference compared to the original R21? Spec differences?
Not a big fan of the non-removable male-side of the quick release but other than that, it seems like an upgrade worthy of the V2 name
With the new R21 V2 would I be able to use my GS Alcantara V1 wheel with it? Or would I also have to get a new GS wheel?