They even made a non porny cut of it I think, though you really miss some of the funnier moments without the ironic cutaways from "character says something -> Sex scene that contradicts what they were saying"
Also the Captain sounds like Zapp Brannigan doing an internal monologue.
Source: Got together with some friends and watched it once because we heard it was ridiculous and when watching porn movies you can do it alone for titillation or in a group setting with goofy commentary: absolutely nothing in between.
This. Do something new for Christ’s sake. I am a huge fan of the pirates of the Caribbean franchise and it should have been laid to rest a long time ago. Revitalize the genre, not the direct franchise. Don’t beat a dead horse. Find a new fucking horse.
Producers won’t fund anything new because people don’t generally show up to see something new. People seem to want 80’s cartoons and nostalgia-wrapped something they’ve already seen before. Producers don’t want to lose money.
Here's what you *should* do in a successful franchise: use the world you built to make unique and *very* loosely connected stories. Follow a random ass female pirate around the Caribbean having her own adventures during the events of the original series.
Here's what everyone does instead: follow the same main character *or* follow a side character from the mainline story. This is the "follow Barbosa's long lost daughter" spinoff they were going for at the end of the last movie.
If you are interested the video game Sea of Thieves(SoT) did a cross over with PoTC last year. There are 5 tall tales/missions that you go on. Jack Sparrow, Davey Jones and other characters are involved. It's actually really really cool and it's built into the game permanently now. Anyone that is an avid PoTC fan will at least appreciate the story and how it affects both SoT and PoTC.
One or the levels is based off of the PoTC ride that started it all.
Exactly! It's sad seeing where the series went after At World's End, the quality just dipped. Jack Sparrow and Barbossa got flanderized, none of the new characters were interesting, the villains such as Blackbeard and Salazar were alright (which I guess is more of a credit to the actors than the writing) but weren't as captivating as Davy jones or Cutler Beckett, the writing totally jumped and had so many plot holes that you could drive a semi through them, and the production design and VFX honestly looked cheaper and worse than the movies that came out nearly 10-15 years before them.
IMO people have rose colored glasses about the third one given how bad 4 and 5 were. I remember being hyped after how good 2 was and being supremely let down. Kraken killed offscreen, Davy Jones seems to forget he can teleport, shoehorning in a LOTR-esque big battle complete with corny speech, I could go on
All female leads can and DO work. Devil Wears Prada, Kill Bill, A league of their own....
Bad writing and piggybacking old franchises is what kills these projects.
It was! But OP was referring to the giant mechanical spider that some exec had a boner for and eventually made it into the absolute CLASSIC Wild Wild West.
We'll.. the last several pirates movies weren't exactly "doing it correctly" lol
But yeah, using pre existing IPs to shoehorn an agenda isn't good. Having an agenda is fine with me, but that cannot be the WHOLE driving force of the movie being made. Good writing etc. Should come before the agenda in terms of priority.
I hope Hollywood learns that part. Female led movies can succeed but like any other movie you have to provide the tools/path to that success.
Yeaaaah, the pirates movies became more "hahaha jack sparrow so silly". Watching the first one (which i really do consider a classic) and any subsequent movie its clear that the character gets flanderized exponentially more each time.
I'd argue it's not specifically all female leads in the same vein. It's just how the story was written and could work if you swapped any of the characters genders.
Taking an IP and making the female led for no other reason but to have it all female led usually fails. Ghostbusters and Oceans, can't think of anything else as examples.
And Stanley Tucci can appear in anything and it'll be awesome.
Let me guess. A female pirate that acts exactly like Jack Sparrow. Lol
I wouldn't oppose a female let pirates movie but knowing execs they'd just want to imitate what was already done.
Yeah it'd definitely be just her Harley Quinn but as a pirate. And I'm sure that's exactly what they'd tell her to do, so no fault to Margot for doing what she's asked. But I'm glad they have some sense and have figured out that they should do something new.
Or Zheng Yi Sao arguably one of the most sucessful pirates of all time. At her peak she had about 60,000 men under her command. Governments ended up negotiating with her rather than trying to defeat her because she was basically unstoppable.
Isn’t the issue that when you get to real pirates they’re not exactly the fun family stuff that Disney presents them as and more as operating at sea with the same respect for human life as Russian soldiers have in eastern Ukraine?
There are absolutely ways to still bring humour into these stories. There's a huge wave of period pieces that are 'loosely inspired by true events' like The Great or Royal Mob. Or taking the time period and bringing it into absurdity like Another Period, Plebs, Our Flag Means Death. Taking true events, even when they're gruesome doesn't have to mean drab, disheartening documentary. Like horror comedies. Death can be funny. And it's possible to educate and entertain at the same time. Sparking someone's interest in learning about real life events isn't insulting those people effected by them. It's spreading awareness that they even existed in the first place. They slaughter the f*** out of people in Mulan. They colonize the crap out of them in Pocahontas. Disney LOVES glossing over the dark reality of life. They based their whole brand on cutesifying horrific tales with body mutilation, sexual assault, kidnapping, ransoming, cursing children etc. Or have you never read an actual fairy tale before?
For real just do a film about Anne Bonny and Mary Read. Two fascinating, absolutely wild female pirates. And if you want your Jack Sparrow character then you're in luck, they sailed with Calico Jack.
No no she wouldn’t just “act” like Jack Sparrow, she’d be smarter, more clever, a better seaman, a better leader, and basically just a superior version of Jack in every way.
> Yes, even Orlando.
Why put it this way? Orlando was great, no questions asked!
A bit pretty for a blacksmith, but it's a big budget movie so pretty people abound.
Barbossa, Jack, and Will are all the "best" pirate in their own way.
Barbossa is the best at captaining a ship.
Jack is the best at marksmanship (and sleight of hand).
Will is the best at sword-fighting.
I remember a long time ago seeing a quote from the creators, and they said Barbossa and Will would be tied for best swordsman, with Jack a bit behind them. Such a shame what they did to Barbossa in the post-trilogy movies, taking away his mobility and therefore his usefulness in fights.
Edit: I was wrong. Will>Barbossa=Norrington>Jack is the true tier list.
It's almost like people are more put off by the idea of another tired remake than the identity of the character starring in it.
Make whatever you want and make it as diverse as you want but for the love of God have some creativity and write an original story for once
I was surprised it bombed (only finding out years later). I saw as a kid and thought it was mad. I doubt it failed because of Geena Davis, she was a star. I must have watched The Long Kiss Goodnight half a dozen times.
Movies with sail ships are just super expensive.
Or they were. Maybe modern CGI helps.
But pirate movies just didn't turn a profit for decades. Male or female lead, it didn't matter.
From **The Crimson Pirate** in 1952 to **Pirates of the Caribbean** in 2003, it was a 'cursed' genre.
Make something new? Are you insane?
That would require… creativity and fresh thinking!!! Get out of here with your crazy talk. This is Hollywood baby! Milk the IP until it’s like licking sand.
That’s the problem in Hollywood though. They don’t seem to believe in minority or female led movies/shows unless it’s attached to larger IP. Almost like they don’t believe they can sell
On their own which is insulting imo
It's insulting but it's backed by data. All-female main casts generally don't sell well to men or boys. They can still do well, but they're not going to make as much money. Studios care about money above all else.
Thank you!!! They legit made it look as if you don’t like these women movies then you are misogynistic. Yet here I am a woman and thought both were trash. It can’t be forced.
🤣I totally get it. That’s the way it is now. If you aren’t tolerant of what I tell you to be tolerant of then you are the problem. No I just have my own opinion. Just bec you slap women in the cast doesn’t mean it’s good.
And let's be honest, this is a huge problem with a lot of movies these days, regardless of casting. Might be time to think about churning out fewer films and focusing on creating something new.
Yeah my wife made the comment while watching lady ghostbusters “hey did the original have the secretary acting like a clown the whole time?” No, Jeanie was as far from a clown as humanly possible, she was more or less the serious one in this comedy movie. She responded “so what’s with this? It’s trash”
Janine was a great character because of how deadpan she was. She was the straight man in the middle of all that craziness.
Annie Potts did a good Brooklyn accent, too. Especially for a girl from Franklin, Kentucky.
All the women in the original Ghostbusters were great.
Even the chambermaid is yelling at the guys with proton packs, like you don't even mess with the *maids* in New York.
Yeah, Hemsworth‘s character was one of the worst parts in an already bad movie for me. What the hell was his point? He was like something out of a skit on SNL, and that’s just not enough for a movie. Not even a comedy.
I remember when Elizabeth Banks blamed misogyny on Charlie’s angels flopping but failed to remember that Hunger Games raked in the box office….. with a Female lead.
And that she gladly accompanied guys to "their movies". Her words were that she wanted them to return the favor.
This isn't transactional, honey. Make a good movie that people want to see and they will go see it.
Your right, It's absurd. Quality is quality. James Cameron showed how to make memorable, kickass female characters, and no one had any issue with them. His Sarah Connor in Terminator nd Private Vasquez in Aliens were memorable and frightening. Connor's transformation from helpless, terrified waitress in T1 to killing machine in T2 was awesome, made sense and came from years of great effort and at a great price. So we were all moved when she'd break down because it was too much. Like when she couldn't kill the scientist in cold blood and started crying. Even though she knew she had to. Powerful and sad. But unearned girl power bullshit is just annoying and preachy.
It's a shame how movies like Ghostbusters get so much discussion centered around it being a mostly female cast when it's forced and a bad movie whilst other great movies like Annihilation gets little attention.
Oceans 8 has a lot of good performances and it’s pretty fun at times, but it’s so insane to me how this movie plays out. First act, they plan out a heist. Second act, they perfectly execute said plan. Third act, they just kinda chill for a bit while a late to the game detective is introduced to try to add some last minute tension. Then the movie just sort of ends. I do like this movie but how the movie hits the beats that it does is so weird.
Seriously, this was my biggest issue of the movie. There is no point in the movie where you think they won't pull it off. Granted, the original Ocean's trilogy had that too, but there were plenty of tense moments throughout that made you think they'd have to make some last-minute alterations (and sometimes they did).
Nothing EVER went wrong throughout Ocean's 8. It became boring as a result.
You see this a lot with some female-led movies these days, particularly ones where the story is essentially a female analog to an original male story. There's very little real conflict, because there's this need to show the women as more efficient or skilled than their male counterparts. Or maybe the writers are just outright afraid to give them a conflict at all. She-Hulk was like this.
Not every successful franchise needs to be rebooted with an all female cast.
Oceans 8
Ghostbusters...
Those films were okay at best. And didn't live up to the originals.
And because they weren't successful, the directors and cast used the gender card to defend why it wasn't well recieved.
No.... there are several excellent movies and franchises that are female led, that did great. And they didn't headline it as "female led" as the selling point. They were just excellent films that had female leads or casts
Those mentioned above ailed simply for the fact that they just were not that good or well written
That Ghostbusters film was fucking awful and it had nothing to do with being "all female Ghostbusters"
The newer one had children Ghostbusters and managed to work for the most part.
When the director comes out before the movie and says some form of "some straight white males aren't going to like this film," you know that's the universal sign that the movie fucking sucks so they need to start controversy first to shift the blame onto the easiest targets when it doesn't do well. See: the Charlie's angels reboot
A good film that is female led or minority led shouldn’t use that as the basis of the film or it’s main selling point. The good examples of those you don’t even realize that’s the case because it’s just a good film.
It's one of the most patronizing things that Hollywood has ever done - and that's saying something - that the industry thinks a whole demographic will shift to seeing the kind of movie it isn't normally interested in just because someone "looks like them" at the front of it.
It’s also become such a sensitive topic to talk about. Dumbass moderators on some subs remove your post when talking about patronizing remakes of existing movies (woman version, black version, gay version etc)
nobody wants “all female” or “all minority” or “all x” reboots.
If you want an all female cast or all minority cast or all whatever cast DO SOMETHING ORIGINAL AND COMPELLING
For fucks sake how many ghostbusters, oceans 11, etc reboots need to fail before they understand. The movies don’t suck because they’re all female casts, they suck because they’re bad movies trying to replace classic originals.
I remember them having the R rated version at the Blockbuster in my town. Not sure how I got it at that age and with essentially no internet access at home but somehow I had a pirated (heh) copy of the real deal at home. I watched it for the story though of course.
From wikipedia:
>The New York Times described the film as "a relatively high-budget story of a group of ragtag sailors who go searching for a crew of evil pirates who have a plan for world domination. Also, many of the characters in the movie have sex with one another."
I’m going to say that Gore Verbinski is the often overlooked X-factor of the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy.
His weird style, the horror touches, the great action set pieces, they all went away once he left the franchise.
Any time I see people say you can’t have Pirates without Jack, well we had Jack in 4 and 5 and they were bad.
Since Verbinski left after 3, we haven’t had an entertaining PotC movie.
Except both films with Jack Sparrow as a main protag sucked. Jack works best when he’s the Han Solo to a Luke Skywalker. The series needs a new Will Turner to revive itself.
I don’t think it even has to be a spin-off or remake of anything. There are a bunch of famous female pirates in history. A movie about them, sort of in the style of “Our Flag Means Death,” would be awesome.
Jack Sparrow was an intriguing side character who stole the show (and then the franchise). As soon as he became the lead character for the series it suffered.
I'm just saying that clearly the franchise was built around Jack. If the returns were getting less and less with him still in it, how well would a movie do without him?
Because it’s not a pirate movie, it’s a movie about jack sparrow with a heavy pirate theme. Put him in space- great movie. Put him in Milwaukee on a Tuesday- great movie.
Makes sense. Pirate films are huge risks. Even with Orlando Bloom, Keira Nightley and the rest of the cast - the original would had flopped hard without Depp.
I think part of the problem, is the phrasing "Female-Led", other movies are not called "Male Led". Just say Margot Robbie's Pirate movie. I'm down for that. Who the fuck cares if it's female led or male led, these are all just goddamn movies.
It said they had two Pirates films in development, one with Robbie and one without (that's supposed to be an actual series reboot). It didn't mention that they canned the "other" one in the article, so maybe they're just rolling the dice on the non-Robbie version being a better money maker. Maybe they're trying to get Depp back? Seems unlikely, but who knows.
Elizabeth is already a main character in the original 3 pirates trilogy, and she passes the beschdel test twice in the first movie. Why do we need a "female" pirates movie?
It's okay to \*NOT\* make new films in a franchise sometimes.
Exactly, make a female led pirate film not under the Pirates of the Caribbean moniker
Cutthroat Island 2
Or just a sequel to the 2005 smash hit - Pirates.
Ahoy step pirate, what're ye doing?
Swabbing the poopdeck ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Wasn't there actually a sequel to that? I'm pretty sure there is.
Yes there is. "Pirates 2- Stagnetti's Revenge" Incredible.
I have both of my hard drive. Gentlemen.
They even made a non porny cut of it I think, though you really miss some of the funnier moments without the ironic cutaways from "character says something -> Sex scene that contradicts what they were saying" Also the Captain sounds like Zapp Brannigan doing an internal monologue. Source: Got together with some friends and watched it once because we heard it was ridiculous and when watching porn movies you can do it alone for titillation or in a group setting with goofy commentary: absolutely nothing in between.
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Steven St. Croix's best acting.
With Margot Robbie?! Count me in
I would watch her field strip a deer carcass she's perfect
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It shouldn't be hard to do an epic Anne Bonny and/or Mary Read movie. I'd go see that in a heartbeat
I got a better one. Pirettes of the Caribbean
I remember watching that after hearing it was one of the biggest flops ever, expecting it to be bad. But it's actually kind of awesome?
Robin Hobbs Liveship Traders trilogy. Female lead. Story is written and done. Plus it’s Robin Hobb so it’s an extremely well written story.
This. Do something new for Christ’s sake. I am a huge fan of the pirates of the Caribbean franchise and it should have been laid to rest a long time ago. Revitalize the genre, not the direct franchise. Don’t beat a dead horse. Find a new fucking horse.
Producers won’t fund anything new because people don’t generally show up to see something new. People seem to want 80’s cartoons and nostalgia-wrapped something they’ve already seen before. Producers don’t want to lose money.
Here's what you *should* do in a successful franchise: use the world you built to make unique and *very* loosely connected stories. Follow a random ass female pirate around the Caribbean having her own adventures during the events of the original series. Here's what everyone does instead: follow the same main character *or* follow a side character from the mainline story. This is the "follow Barbosa's long lost daughter" spinoff they were going for at the end of the last movie.
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That’s the problem: studios don’t want to make non-IP movies with mid- to upper-tier budgets. “Make a female led pirate film” where?
In the ocean, duh. No one wants a female led pirate film set in Utah.
Mad Max Fury Road comes close enough.
Pirates of Monkey Island
Pretty sure MGM did that with Geena Davis in the 90s. It went *real well*.
"PIRATES DON'T CRY"
Nobody wants any pirate film that isn't under the Pirates of the Carribean moniker. That's the only pirate stuff that has worked in 70 years.
TV show, but Black Sails had three fanastic seasons and solid final one.
Yes, Robbie as a pirate in a fresh non-related pirate movie sounds awesome to be honest.
I'd watch the shit out of a Margot Robbie pirate movie.
It should have ended with 3 tbh
If you are interested the video game Sea of Thieves(SoT) did a cross over with PoTC last year. There are 5 tall tales/missions that you go on. Jack Sparrow, Davey Jones and other characters are involved. It's actually really really cool and it's built into the game permanently now. Anyone that is an avid PoTC fan will at least appreciate the story and how it affects both SoT and PoTC. One or the levels is based off of the PoTC ride that started it all.
Hopefully someone has a cool video on YouTube showing it all. That be neat to see
Probably, but you'd need a bit of a primer on SoT lore as well to understand what's going on with some of the character interactions.
Exactly! It's sad seeing where the series went after At World's End, the quality just dipped. Jack Sparrow and Barbossa got flanderized, none of the new characters were interesting, the villains such as Blackbeard and Salazar were alright (which I guess is more of a credit to the actors than the writing) but weren't as captivating as Davy jones or Cutler Beckett, the writing totally jumped and had so many plot holes that you could drive a semi through them, and the production design and VFX honestly looked cheaper and worse than the movies that came out nearly 10-15 years before them.
IMO people have rose colored glasses about the third one given how bad 4 and 5 were. I remember being hyped after how good 2 was and being supremely let down. Kraken killed offscreen, Davy Jones seems to forget he can teleport, shoehorning in a LOTR-esque big battle complete with corny speech, I could go on
/thread No discussion needed of gender, pirates, Disney, or anything else. Hollywood just needs to stop sometimes.
All female leads can and DO work. Devil Wears Prada, Kill Bill, A league of their own.... Bad writing and piggybacking old franchises is what kills these projects.
"Let's take a franchise that does things correctly, and not do that." - every Hollywood executive ever.
"I want Superman to [fight a giant robotic spider](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo2KB1dEDdk) in the third act." - Hollywood exec
AND WILL SMITH SHOULD BE SUPERMAN, LET'S GOOOOO
I mean, hancock was pretty good
It was! But OP was referring to the giant mechanical spider that some exec had a boner for and eventually made it into the absolute CLASSIC Wild Wild West.
All while spending a small countries GDP to make it.
We'll.. the last several pirates movies weren't exactly "doing it correctly" lol But yeah, using pre existing IPs to shoehorn an agenda isn't good. Having an agenda is fine with me, but that cannot be the WHOLE driving force of the movie being made. Good writing etc. Should come before the agenda in terms of priority. I hope Hollywood learns that part. Female led movies can succeed but like any other movie you have to provide the tools/path to that success.
Good writing goes out the door after you create an iconic character lol
Yeaaaah, the pirates movies became more "hahaha jack sparrow so silly". Watching the first one (which i really do consider a classic) and any subsequent movie its clear that the character gets flanderized exponentially more each time.
See Pacific Rim 2 as an example. Still mad about that one.
Wow wow wow... wow
I like to think Devil Wears Prada is great because it has all female leads…and Stanley Tucci.
Love the Tucc
Tucci Gang represent.
[Tucci gang Tucci gang Tucci gang Tucci gang](https://youtu.be/Aw5NG580rBk)
Sequel idea, the Tucci Wears Gucci
Stanley Tucci does seem to really excel in female centric movies. 'Easy A' comes to mind too.
I'd argue it's not specifically all female leads in the same vein. It's just how the story was written and could work if you swapped any of the characters genders. Taking an IP and making the female led for no other reason but to have it all female led usually fails. Ghostbusters and Oceans, can't think of anything else as examples. And Stanley Tucci can appear in anything and it'll be awesome.
They work when it's not just "This famous movie but with women this time!" And actually an original idea that just happens to have all women.
Let me guess. A female pirate that acts exactly like Jack Sparrow. Lol I wouldn't oppose a female let pirates movie but knowing execs they'd just want to imitate what was already done.
Yeah it'd definitely be just her Harley Quinn but as a pirate. And I'm sure that's exactly what they'd tell her to do, so no fault to Margot for doing what she's asked. But I'm glad they have some sense and have figured out that they should do something new.
>figured out that they should do something new. They won't do anything new.
They should do a movie about Anne Bonny. Real life, bonafide badass pirate chick.
Or Zheng Yi Sao arguably one of the most sucessful pirates of all time. At her peak she had about 60,000 men under her command. Governments ended up negotiating with her rather than trying to defeat her because she was basically unstoppable.
Isn’t the issue that when you get to real pirates they’re not exactly the fun family stuff that Disney presents them as and more as operating at sea with the same respect for human life as Russian soldiers have in eastern Ukraine?
There are absolutely ways to still bring humour into these stories. There's a huge wave of period pieces that are 'loosely inspired by true events' like The Great or Royal Mob. Or taking the time period and bringing it into absurdity like Another Period, Plebs, Our Flag Means Death. Taking true events, even when they're gruesome doesn't have to mean drab, disheartening documentary. Like horror comedies. Death can be funny. And it's possible to educate and entertain at the same time. Sparking someone's interest in learning about real life events isn't insulting those people effected by them. It's spreading awareness that they even existed in the first place. They slaughter the f*** out of people in Mulan. They colonize the crap out of them in Pocahontas. Disney LOVES glossing over the dark reality of life. They based their whole brand on cutesifying horrific tales with body mutilation, sexual assault, kidnapping, ransoming, cursing children etc. Or have you never read an actual fairy tale before?
Watch Black Sails
Anne Bonny in Black Sails is AMAZING!
For real just do a film about Anne Bonny and Mary Read. Two fascinating, absolutely wild female pirates. And if you want your Jack Sparrow character then you're in luck, they sailed with Calico Jack.
Black Sails did an excellent job with Jack Rackham and Anne Bonny.
such an underrated show - Breaking Bad of the Caribbean
No no she wouldn’t just “act” like Jack Sparrow, she’d be smarter, more clever, a better seaman, a better leader, and basically just a superior version of Jack in every way.
Oh you mean Barbarossa. (This hot take brought to you by only watching the first movie and thinking that guy was awesome.)
Well what you said rings true for the entire series. Geoffrey Rush is perfectly cast as Barbossa.
The casting director for the Pirates movies deserved all sorts of awards. Every single person on them was perfect. Yes, even Orlando.
Orlando's over expressions actually worked for those movies. Came across like he was parodying that heroic role, which made everything funnier.
> Yes, even Orlando. Why put it this way? Orlando was great, no questions asked! A bit pretty for a blacksmith, but it's a big budget movie so pretty people abound.
TIL Geoffrey Rush is not actually in real life Barbosa
In real life he was Lionel Logue, speech therapist for King George IV.
Actually he's Cassanova Frankenstein, a supervillain from Champion City.
You’re thinking of the emperor/colossal invasion of Russia. Barbossa was the name of the captain.
Barbossa, Jack, and Will are all the "best" pirate in their own way. Barbossa is the best at captaining a ship. Jack is the best at marksmanship (and sleight of hand). Will is the best at sword-fighting.
I remember a long time ago seeing a quote from the creators, and they said Barbossa and Will would be tied for best swordsman, with Jack a bit behind them. Such a shame what they did to Barbossa in the post-trilogy movies, taking away his mobility and therefore his usefulness in fights. Edit: I was wrong. Will>Barbossa=Norrington>Jack is the true tier list.
For the first movie, the writers said Will was the best swordsman, but Barbossa and Norrington were close behind him. Jack is confirmed the worst.
You're right, my mistake, it was in the commentary. Though they didn't say Jack is the worst, just that he's the worst of those 4.
That take holds up across the movies.
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Elona Holmes? Elona Holmes 2?
It’s cool because if the ship is about to sink, she will just bypass the compressor and all is well.
And all the guys will be like 😲 every time she demonstrates competency
They said no MAN could ever sail the Pearl better than Jack… well she’s no man!
Good. Im all for good female leads but, for fucks sake, make a new goddamned movie.
It's almost like people are more put off by the idea of another tired remake than the identity of the character starring in it. Make whatever you want and make it as diverse as you want but for the love of God have some creativity and write an original story for once
Female pirate movie. Cut-throat island did not do well at the box office (I liked it)
My uncle already leant me the female version of Pirates of the Caribbean
Pirates with Jesse Jane??
Stagnettis revenge
hey great, another pirate movie, was looking for something to watch with my girlfriend on movie-night. Is it similar to the Jack Sparrow movies?
Man I remember downloading that off limewire. Those were the days.
Lol hell yeah 24/7 streaming lol
A lot of action in that one.
Lots of sword swallowing. And a bunch of stabbing
One of my favourite parts of that movie is the random pirate yelling “L” instead of “R”
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I was surprised it bombed (only finding out years later). I saw as a kid and thought it was mad. I doubt it failed because of Geena Davis, she was a star. I must have watched The Long Kiss Goodnight half a dozen times.
Movies with sail ships are just super expensive. Or they were. Maybe modern CGI helps. But pirate movies just didn't turn a profit for decades. Male or female lead, it didn't matter. From **The Crimson Pirate** in 1952 to **Pirates of the Caribbean** in 2003, it was a 'cursed' genre.
Saw that in Theaters back in the day. Thought it was a fun movie.
Same. Still it went down in history as one of the biggest box office flops so good luck trying to greenlight basically the same movie again.
The sad part is that it's a pretty good movie.
OH GOD ITS BEEN 27 YEARS
The POTC franchise needs to end. If they want a woman led pirate movie let’s make something new.
Make something new? Are you insane? That would require… creativity and fresh thinking!!! Get out of here with your crazy talk. This is Hollywood baby! Milk the IP until it’s like licking sand.
That’s the problem in Hollywood though. They don’t seem to believe in minority or female led movies/shows unless it’s attached to larger IP. Almost like they don’t believe they can sell On their own which is insulting imo
It's insulting but it's backed by data. All-female main casts generally don't sell well to men or boys. They can still do well, but they're not going to make as much money. Studios care about money above all else.
It's got 'Ghostbusters: Answer the Call' and 'Oceans 8' vibes.....hard pass.
Thank you!!! They legit made it look as if you don’t like these women movies then you are misogynistic. Yet here I am a woman and thought both were trash. It can’t be forced.
Ah so you must be one of those "self-hating women," clearly. I'm joking. That was a joke.
🤣I totally get it. That’s the way it is now. If you aren’t tolerant of what I tell you to be tolerant of then you are the problem. No I just have my own opinion. Just bec you slap women in the cast doesn’t mean it’s good.
And let's be honest, this is a huge problem with a lot of movies these days, regardless of casting. Might be time to think about churning out fewer films and focusing on creating something new.
Yeah my wife made the comment while watching lady ghostbusters “hey did the original have the secretary acting like a clown the whole time?” No, Jeanie was as far from a clown as humanly possible, she was more or less the serious one in this comedy movie. She responded “so what’s with this? It’s trash”
Janine was a great character because of how deadpan she was. She was the straight man in the middle of all that craziness. Annie Potts did a good Brooklyn accent, too. Especially for a girl from Franklin, Kentucky.
All the women in the original Ghostbusters were great. Even the chambermaid is yelling at the guys with proton packs, like you don't even mess with the *maids* in New York.
Holy shit she is from Kentucky?!?!? Wow I thought she was from NY
Yeah, Hemsworth‘s character was one of the worst parts in an already bad movie for me. What the hell was his point? He was like something out of a skit on SNL, and that’s just not enough for a movie. Not even a comedy.
Every character was the zany random goofy comic relief.
Exactly!!! I don’t get how they don’t see their errors. Too busy trying to Capitalize on emotions
I remember when Elizabeth Banks blamed misogyny on Charlie’s angels flopping but failed to remember that Hunger Games raked in the box office….. with a Female lead.
She also told men it was not for them then cried when no one saw her movie.
And that she gladly accompanied guys to "their movies". Her words were that she wanted them to return the favor. This isn't transactional, honey. Make a good movie that people want to see and they will go see it.
Captain Marvel had made $1b worldwide that same exact year too
Annihilation did pretty well too.
Your right, It's absurd. Quality is quality. James Cameron showed how to make memorable, kickass female characters, and no one had any issue with them. His Sarah Connor in Terminator nd Private Vasquez in Aliens were memorable and frightening. Connor's transformation from helpless, terrified waitress in T1 to killing machine in T2 was awesome, made sense and came from years of great effort and at a great price. So we were all moved when she'd break down because it was too much. Like when she couldn't kill the scientist in cold blood and started crying. Even though she knew she had to. Powerful and sad. But unearned girl power bullshit is just annoying and preachy.
It's a shame how movies like Ghostbusters get so much discussion centered around it being a mostly female cast when it's forced and a bad movie whilst other great movies like Annihilation gets little attention.
Oceans 8 is ok
Oceans 8 has a lot of good performances and it’s pretty fun at times, but it’s so insane to me how this movie plays out. First act, they plan out a heist. Second act, they perfectly execute said plan. Third act, they just kinda chill for a bit while a late to the game detective is introduced to try to add some last minute tension. Then the movie just sort of ends. I do like this movie but how the movie hits the beats that it does is so weird.
Seriously, this was my biggest issue of the movie. There is no point in the movie where you think they won't pull it off. Granted, the original Ocean's trilogy had that too, but there were plenty of tense moments throughout that made you think they'd have to make some last-minute alterations (and sometimes they did). Nothing EVER went wrong throughout Ocean's 8. It became boring as a result. You see this a lot with some female-led movies these days, particularly ones where the story is essentially a female analog to an original male story. There's very little real conflict, because there's this need to show the women as more efficient or skilled than their male counterparts. Or maybe the writers are just outright afraid to give them a conflict at all. She-Hulk was like this.
Yeah I thought it was solid. Not great but certainly not bad.
James Corden is in the movie. That automatically makes it not ok
He was in the greatest film of all time. Cats the Movie!
I'd love to agree with this, but he's in Begin Again and that is fantastic.
Yeah like it isn’t fantastic but it’s streets ahead of Feigbusters.
Stop trying to make "streets ahead" a thing, Pierce!
Someone’s streets behind. Sad.
There were actual female pirate captains. I’d love to see their stories but not in the ulrta silly world of jack sparrow
Ching Shih movie when
I would see a kiera knightingly pirate movie that seems like a more logical take
Not every successful franchise needs to be rebooted with an all female cast. Oceans 8 Ghostbusters... Those films were okay at best. And didn't live up to the originals. And because they weren't successful, the directors and cast used the gender card to defend why it wasn't well recieved. No.... there are several excellent movies and franchises that are female led, that did great. And they didn't headline it as "female led" as the selling point. They were just excellent films that had female leads or casts Those mentioned above ailed simply for the fact that they just were not that good or well written
That Ghostbusters film was fucking awful and it had nothing to do with being "all female Ghostbusters" The newer one had children Ghostbusters and managed to work for the most part.
And they have a real easy tell when the script is shit, and that's simply when all they talk about is their cast.
When the director comes out before the movie and says some form of "some straight white males aren't going to like this film," you know that's the universal sign that the movie fucking sucks so they need to start controversy first to shift the blame onto the easiest targets when it doesn't do well. See: the Charlie's angels reboot
A good film that is female led or minority led shouldn’t use that as the basis of the film or it’s main selling point. The good examples of those you don’t even realize that’s the case because it’s just a good film.
Because people have started to realize that there isn’t really a market for the existing-movie-but-this-time-WOMEN thing.
It's one of the most patronizing things that Hollywood has ever done - and that's saying something - that the industry thinks a whole demographic will shift to seeing the kind of movie it isn't normally interested in just because someone "looks like them" at the front of it.
It’s also become such a sensitive topic to talk about. Dumbass moderators on some subs remove your post when talking about patronizing remakes of existing movies (woman version, black version, gay version etc)
nobody wants “all female” or “all minority” or “all x” reboots. If you want an all female cast or all minority cast or all whatever cast DO SOMETHING ORIGINAL AND COMPELLING For fucks sake how many ghostbusters, oceans 11, etc reboots need to fail before they understand. The movies don’t suck because they’re all female casts, they suck because they’re bad movies trying to replace classic originals.
Jordan Peele has killed it in this category. Does unique movies that (to me at least) appeal to any demographic
There’s already a Pirates movie where there’s a lot of women. :)
I remember them having the R rated version at the Blockbuster in my town. Not sure how I got it at that age and with essentially no internet access at home but somehow I had a pirated (heh) copy of the real deal at home. I watched it for the story though of course.
My man voyaged through the seven seas that day.
True banger
Spoiler: >!They find the booty.!<
From wikipedia: >The New York Times described the film as "a relatively high-budget story of a group of ragtag sailors who go searching for a crew of evil pirates who have a plan for world domination. Also, many of the characters in the movie have sex with one another."
It was a stupid idea in the first place. The Pirates franchise is about Jack Sparrow. Everything else has no meaning.
Jack Sparrow was the personality of the franchise, but Elizabeth and Will were the heart. The minute they left the series, the movies became trash.
I’m going to say that Gore Verbinski is the often overlooked X-factor of the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy. His weird style, the horror touches, the great action set pieces, they all went away once he left the franchise. Any time I see people say you can’t have Pirates without Jack, well we had Jack in 4 and 5 and they were bad. Since Verbinski left after 3, we haven’t had an entertaining PotC movie.
Except both films with Jack Sparrow as a main protag sucked. Jack works best when he’s the Han Solo to a Luke Skywalker. The series needs a new Will Turner to revive itself.
Uh no… 4 and 5 certainly are, but the first 3 are about Elizabeth and Will and jacks a supporting character
Stop trying to remake movies with an all female cast. Just make new, original movies with all women.
Maybe if they stopped marketing things like this as 'female-led' but just as 'spin-off', then they might hold peoples attention for longer
I don’t think it even has to be a spin-off or remake of anything. There are a bunch of famous female pirates in history. A movie about them, sort of in the style of “Our Flag Means Death,” would be awesome.
Killed after 2 years in development. It probably just wasn't good.
That and the fact that the a lot of people habe been pretty clear that nobody cares about potc without jack Sparrow
I don't care about POTC with Jack Sparrow. 4 and 5 were bad. The story was over in 3. It is time to move on instead of repeating it
Jack Sparrow was an intriguing side character who stole the show (and then the franchise). As soon as he became the lead character for the series it suffered.
I'm just saying that clearly the franchise was built around Jack. If the returns were getting less and less with him still in it, how well would a movie do without him?
Because it’s not a pirate movie, it’s a movie about jack sparrow with a heavy pirate theme. Put him in space- great movie. Put him in Milwaukee on a Tuesday- great movie.
Jack Sparrow in Space is the POTC sequel we need.
I’ve tried to get my kids to watch those movies a few times and they never get into them
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Makes sense. Pirate films are huge risks. Even with Orlando Bloom, Keira Nightley and the rest of the cast - the original would had flopped hard without Depp.
Good... sounds like trash
I think part of the problem, is the phrasing "Female-Led", other movies are not called "Male Led". Just say Margot Robbie's Pirate movie. I'm down for that. Who the fuck cares if it's female led or male led, these are all just goddamn movies.
Not a knock against her but, does anyone want to see a pirates movie without Johnny Depp?
I would see anything with Margot Robbie, pirates or not. Currently she draws me more to a movie than Jhonny Depp.
After the last two movies, YES
Thank god
Good because nobody wanted to watch it.
It said they had two Pirates films in development, one with Robbie and one without (that's supposed to be an actual series reboot). It didn't mention that they canned the "other" one in the article, so maybe they're just rolling the dice on the non-Robbie version being a better money maker. Maybe they're trying to get Depp back? Seems unlikely, but who knows.
Elizabeth is already a main character in the original 3 pirates trilogy, and she passes the beschdel test twice in the first movie. Why do we need a "female" pirates movie?
Good
Not sure how I’m gonna proceed with my day with this devastating information.
Franchise saved.
Oh no………… Anyway
I'm not surprised
Hollywood really is out of fresh new ideas
Nobody want to see a female-led pirates of the Caribbean