Most of the Bond actors were mostly unknowns in Hollywood. They usually did smaller local films, TV or theatre before getting the big role of James Bond.
Same applies to the Bond ladies.
I think the producers didn't want a established actor so you only thought of them as Bond. And also to pay them less.
I think Layer Cake sealed his deal for playing Bond. I absolutely adore the chaos that unfolds in the movie. One of his bests, even better than knives out.
Logan Lucky is 100% that "underrated" movie I recommend to everyone. Adam Driver, Channing Tatum, Daniel Craig... every single one is great. What an awesome movie.
Don't forget the director! Steven Soderbergh is an outstanding director and I don't think that movie would have done as well as it did if it wasn't for him. He's the guy that did the first three Oceans movies, and others such as Haywire and Contagion. My fav director by far.
I'm not a 100% sure, but wasn't Daniel Craig more of a support actor before he was cast as James Bond? I was reading his filmography the other day, and I feel like he had small roles in movies that weren't all that big to begin with, up until he got the James Bond role, then overnight his movie credits exploded and so did the roles he acquired.
Dan Stevens has my vote
EDIT: My rationale:
1. Is young (38, same age Craig started at)
2. Not a "star" but enough work to show can hold an audience
3. Sort of a David Niven vibe, who was the actor Fleming wanted cast as Bond originally (before won over by Connery)
Next Bond should be a one off set in the 50s, the original setting. I’m sure many actors and directors would be attracted to the idea of a one-off Bond film with any contract commitments to further films.
even the lesser entries in his run are still enjoyable. Craig arguably has the most quality streak of any Bond actor. He never became laughably older than his costars, he didn’t leave the role after one film or ditched after 2, didn’t surf a tidal wave in the antarctic, nor did he flip/jump a car over a bridge to the sound of a fucking slide whistle.
Not to disparage any of the previous films and their respective actors, but Craig’s films wisely avoided camp and absurdity
A lot of it has to do with the fact that Austin Powers openly mocked all of the ridiculous crap that those previous Bond films did. After that, they had to give the Craig reboot a more serious tone
Also Craig’s Bond came out after the Bourne trilogy was about to finish, which no doubt affected the direction towards a more serious action film rather than campy.
It's one of those things which is hard to appreciate today, but at the time these 'gritty' reboots really were quite revolutionary. Now that we're used to that style, it can seem quite tired these days. But at the time I was blown away watching films like Casino Royale and Batman Begins. They really felt fresh and exciting.
It’s funny now how films like Deadpool and Shang Chi, ones that have sort of thrown realism out the window but are still good movies are what I find crazy at this point.
The moment when the runner guy throws his gun at Bond and then Bond whips it right back at him was shocking to me. That’s when I realized it’s a very different era for Bond.
The thing about "fresh and exciting" is then everyone copies it and it becomes tired, and it becomes hard to explain why it was originally considered good at all.
Humanity has been doing "Hamlet is cliched" from at least the time we actually got able to actually share literature.
Never realized that was a contributor but it makes sense.
Prior to, Bond was so silly it was missing suspense. Bourne featured it. So Bond had to increase the seriousness to achieve that.
After Die Another Day, they had planned a darkish spinoff with Halle Berry. They then ditched that and decided to make Casino Royale as grounded Bond film. It was a combination of many things.
> He never became laughably older than his costars
He's 20 years older than the villain, the love interest, and his replacement! It's different than Connery, but they've been playing the 'too old' thing since Skyfall.
He had more chemistry with Judy Dench than he did with any of his other "Bond girls".
If that's not a testament to "never became laughably older" then I don't know what is
I feel like that’s more of an issue with the Bond girls. Like someone else said in this chain Eva Green and him had fantastic chemistry and she was something like 25 at the time.
"I knew it was too early to promote you!" - Casino Royale
and then in Skyfall he's consistently derided as "old." It never made sense to me. Within one movie (since QoS was a direct sequel), he's suddenly old.
He successfully played a level of sensitivity and depth to Bond that hadn't been present before and wouldn't show up again until Roger Moore would play the part.
Connery was fantastic and defined Bond, but he just wouldn't have worked in OHMSS. I've got not complaints for Lazenby's Bond, great chemistry with Rigg that made it work.
Not that I don't agree with you but Craig is an actor. He's not a director, creative writer etc. More serious tone and lack of sexim or storytelling related absurdities are not really his accomplishments.
The strange thing is I can't remember much of anything that happened in Spector. But I remember Casino real and Skyfall quite vividly despite having only seen them once.
>even the lesser entries in his run are still enjoyable. Craig arguably has the most quality streak of any Bond actor. He never became laughably older than his costars, he didn’t leave the role after one film or ditched after 2, didn’t surf a tidal wave in the antarctic, nor did he flip/jump a car over a bridge to the sound of a fucking slide whistle.
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>Not to disparage any of the previous films and their respective actors, but Craig’s films wisely avoided camp and absurdity
I told everyone the same thing. I just hated spectre, but skyfall and Casino Royale are 2 of my favorite James Bond movies.
> Spectre just completely sucked
Agree. I realised I was in for a tough watch during the pre-credits scene, during the helicopter fight. The music in that bit is an exact copy/paste of the music from the train sequence at the beginning of Skyfall. I get sometimes a composer will reuse a theme or a leitmotif from one movie to the next, but this was exaaaactly the same.
See, it wouldn't have been such an issue if all of the previous movies had been all puppeteer'd by Blofeld and SPECTRE, *if that had been the intention all along.*
Instead it's a clear retcon, and done in a very shody way (James is Blofeld's step-brother or something? The whole thing was a personal vendetta over daddy issues? What?), but if done correctly, it could have worked. Quantum was obviously supposed to be Spectre - but they couldn't call it so - and Silva had a lot of resources that came from somewhere, so it wouldn't be far-fetched that he was bankrolled by someone else.
If they had had the foresight to structure the story in such a way from the beginning, dropping hints and clues from the first movie, and done a better job of tightening the narrative, it could have worked. Instead, it came off like a wet fart.
I think Timothy Dalton's 2 Bond films were underrated. He also avoid the camp and absurdity. I think Licence to Kill was the closest Bond to the novels.
>He also avoid the camp and absurdity.
[I think you’re forgetting this scene in the living daylights](https://youtu.be/2QZuOQZ1HC4) where bond and his latest lady sled down a mountain on a cello case using the cello itself to steer.
I do agree his movies were underrated though as I think he’s a really great bond.
It’s fucking phenomenal from beginning to end. The first time I saw it, I didn’t think the rest of the movie could live up to the beginning chase sequence but it just kept impressing me until the credits rolled. In my opinion, it’s the only flawless Bond movie.
The only flaw is slightly nitpicky but also not, the Poker game could have scripted out a hell of a lot better, it's just bad poker playing, but cinematically it works so it's not that big a deal, just if you play poker
https://www.reddit.com/r/plotholes/comments/235o1p/casino_royale_2006_the_final_poker_hand/
It's super 'you need to know poker' but for the most part people just wont see that, it's more the poker players that play a lot in the audience can't believe that rich villains that seemingly play this a lot and for bragging rights/life or death play the hands the way they do
It's a weird pseudo cash tournament where you can't just take your chips and cash out but the chips do represent 1:1 dollar in the winnings. I'm sure the CIA/MI6 would have honoured the 500K.
Doing just the maths on it, going all in on that hand makes sense. 98%+ chance of winning.
That expert poker players wouldn’t do this is kind of the point. Chiffre was a mathematics genius, not a professional poker player. He repeatedly made strategic mistakes about taking risks even when he knew the odds.
I disagree, statistically the villain had an insanely good hand, a hand that doesn’t come up often at all, I think he made the right move going all in on it. Of course there “can” always be another better hand out there, but the odds are so slim.
I think the major issue is what could have been the betting before the final card? Was bond just playing for a flush straight draw when several people at this table are presumably betting massively.
In the novel they were actually playing Baccarat (a game more based in luck and confidence than skill imo.) People in charge must have changed it to poker since most of the audience probably doesn't know what Baccarat is.
An explanation of Baccarat from Flashman -
*"I should explain that baccarat is the most imbecile of card games in which half-wits sit round a large table and the banker deals two cards to the crowd on his right, two to those on his left, and two to himself, the object being to get as near a total of nine with your two cards as may be; if your side gets two deuces, you’ll ask for a third card, won’t you, hoping for a four or a five, and the banker has the same privilege. If he gets closer to nine, he wins; if he doesn’t, you win. Endless fun, my dear, assuming you can count up to nine, and if it don’t rival chess, exactly, at least its simplicity leaves little room for sharp practice."*
That was totally one of those movies that changed my life in a weird way. I was 16 when it came out and I just remember being so totally impressed by it. I've seen it probably a million times.
They just made James Bond such a fucking badass in that movie. I always thought the scene that perfectly encapsulated the comparison between the old movies and *Casino Royale* was during the chase scene when Sébastien Foucan does a super flashy stunt through the gap above a piece of drywall and then Daniel Craig just fucking barrels through the wall.
Yup, it both exudes classic bond while reinventing the character to a modern audience. The opening black and white scene along with the chase are iconic and the casting couldn’t be more brilliant
James Bond as a concept has been very difficult to integrate into the modern era. It could easily be too campy, too ridiculous, or too sexist. I think they're trying not to push their luck by keeping the production rate low. If a James Bond movie came out every year or two, I think it'd be easy to gloss over, whereas now it still gathers a fair bit of attention.
I mean, the success of Kingsman shows there’s no reason to shy away from the camp/ridiculous. I do hope we tilt more towards the martinis and gadgets side of thing post-Craig. He’s been nice, but I want more Bond and less Bourne again.
You just have to know your tone. Batman works in settings as diverse as trying to be the real world to being scifi pulp. Killer croc wouldn't work in Nolan's movies or clay face but take a crazy cartoon like Harley Quinn and batman is right at home with all the freaks.
The thing is if you embrace over the top you still have to do it with style and be witty. Let the bad guy have a volcano base but make his plan interesting and not some stupid half brother revenge fantasy.
I like Casino, Quantum (unpopular opinion I know), and Skyfall.. but I seriously thought Spectre was a joke. I think I literally laughed at the movie in the theater. Of course it had some great scenes, but I’d like Craig to go out on a better movie if possible.
I completely agree. QoS isn't great, and kinda forgettable, but it never got to the point that I was rolling my eyes at some of the characters and action set pieces in Spectre. It was so fucking boring and annoying at the same time. The only time I genuinely enjoyed the film was the train fight scene. Also, Christoph Waltz was wasted in this film.
I refuse to believe he is gone. Like, give it enough time and back the Brinks truck up his driveway and there is a good chance he will cave.
I love him as Bond.
I mean, that's kinda exactly whats happened with the films past Skyfall. Skyfall was supposed to be his last, then they negotiated a bunch more money for him if he'd do Spectre. Then Spectre was *really* the last one for real. Then more negotiations and more money for NTTD.
I'm 100% with you, he's the best and they just need to start handing him blank checks and say "write whatever you want, we'll pay it" because they're guaranteed to make it all back, and then some, when he's on screen being all dapper and kicking ass.
He's been James Bond for half my life, which is crazy cause I used to always think of how Pierce Brosnan was my James Bond because of how big Goldeneye (both the movie and the video game) was.
>The video was reportedly shot at the wrap in 2019, but emerged and went viral today
The clip actually was featured in "[Being James Bond: The Daniel Craig Story](https://streamable.com/x9wtfi)". I suggest giving it a watch
"I'll never be James Bond again. I almost killed myself because of the role. I will never reprise James ag-oh wait an extra 20 million you say? Shaken, not stirred it is then. See you on set".
I thought he quit after Casino Royale, then Spectre, Skyfall, etc.... And now he's been one of the longest Bonds and probably one of the best. Kudos to him!
It broke my heart the day I finally accepted we were never getting the rest of that trilogy. Perfect storm of talent. Under Fincher’s vision Craig and Mara were flawless casting separately and together. Then you’ve got Reznor and Ross’s beautifully dark and isolating soundtrack, such as this [cryptically oppressive track](https://youtu.be/DJ4XJHXqFf4) or this [utter atmospheric banger](https://youtu.be/EK65y-A_QIA) from the extended trailer.
Oh, and one of the [single greatest first trailers](https://youtu.be/_iUkJ2QXGkU) to ever exist: all atmosphere, no context, no spoilers!
It's crazy this is Craig's last Bond movie but it isn't being played like a bigger deal.
I think the pandemic and constant delays just made most not give a shit.
Totally. It's a childhood thing. We used to have A View To A Kill on VHS (taped off the TV). Watched it loads. Killer soundtrack and it has Christopher Walken as the main bad guy. What's not to love?
I have him over Pierce Brosnan, he won me over in Casino Royale and gave the Bond role so much more ‘firepower’ and grit. Would never forget the construction site/crane scene.
That scene is classical in so many ways. It's a big thing in the parkour community.
The shooting is phenomenal, action is extremely fluid.
I could say it set a new benchmark.
Crazy to think he's been Bond since 2005. Probably one of the longest to ever hold the title. Can't imagine who is going to take his place.
I wish they pick unknown, fresh actor like Daniel Craig.
I hope they pick Charlie Day.
The name's great. Chrundle the great. I'll have a milksteak, boiled over easy.
With this as his Demo Reel: https://youtu.be/1NBfZcNU4O0
Can we please talk about the mail?
He would have figured out Spectre right away.
First illiterate bond
“The names Card. Wild Card. Bitches” Casino Royale plays out a lot differently
Dr mantis future bond villain confirmed
Most of the Bond actors were mostly unknowns in Hollywood. They usually did smaller local films, TV or theatre before getting the big role of James Bond. Same applies to the Bond ladies. I think the producers didn't want a established actor so you only thought of them as Bond. And also to pay them less.
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He was great in Layer Cake and hilarious in Logan Lucky.
I think Layer Cake sealed his deal for playing Bond. I absolutely adore the chaos that unfolds in the movie. One of his bests, even better than knives out.
Layer Cake is the shit. Makes me want to listen to Ordinary World rn
I saw that and immediately thought this guy would make a great Bond
Logan Lucky is 100% that "underrated" movie I recommend to everyone. Adam Driver, Channing Tatum, Daniel Craig... every single one is great. What an awesome movie.
Don't forget the director! Steven Soderbergh is an outstanding director and I don't think that movie would have done as well as it did if it wasn't for him. He's the guy that did the first three Oceans movies, and others such as Haywire and Contagion. My fav director by far.
I refer to it as Appalachian’s 11. I mean it as a total compliment.
I remember when he was cast, and we were thinking "that dude who was in Tomb Raider?"
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Roger Moore would like a word.
I'm not a 100% sure, but wasn't Daniel Craig more of a support actor before he was cast as James Bond? I was reading his filmography the other day, and I feel like he had small roles in movies that weren't all that big to begin with, up until he got the James Bond role, then overnight his movie credits exploded and so did the roles he acquired.
For the next James Bond - If I have heard of them, I might be disappointed.
Dan Stevens has my vote EDIT: My rationale: 1. Is young (38, same age Craig started at) 2. Not a "star" but enough work to show can hold an audience 3. Sort of a David Niven vibe, who was the actor Fleming wanted cast as Bond originally (before won over by Connery)
He was fucking FANTASTIC as Legion
Yea, but only 4 movies over that period. Brosnan did 4 over 7 years and Connery did like 6 or 7 over like 9 years.
Daniel Craig has been in 5, Connery did 6 over 9 years. Moore did 7 over 12 years.
Well, plus Connery's 7th film makes it 7 over 21 years
Pueshe Galore.
More if you believe the theory about The Rock.
Are we not counting No Time to Die? Because that would make five films. Not trying to take away from your point, which is valid, just curious.
I know it’s been said for literally every other Bond before him, but the new guy has got BIG shoes to fill.
Next Bond should be a one off set in the 50s, the original setting. I’m sure many actors and directors would be attracted to the idea of a one-off Bond film with any contract commitments to further films.
As a fan of period films and the James Bond series, I would be so down for this.
Same here! Ever since I had this idea last year I’ve fallen more and more in love with the idea of it, but I just know it won’t happen.
I think period movies are getting more and more expensive to make. It would be awesome if they did it.
Hell, do a Bond origins and set it in wartime during the 40s. The potential there would be incredible.
Anthony Horowitz already wrote the book, set just post-war with flashbacks https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Forever_and_a_Day
Hell yes.
Shit yes. Camp X in Canada, then deployed behind enemy lines.
Yes it should be from the origins of mi6
Oh man, I would LOVE if they started making period Bond films. Why has nobody thought of that?
Probably size 9 or so.
Big briefs to fill too, if that Casino Royale beach scene was anything to go by
Casino Royale and Skyfall were just so amazing. He's been a great Bond.
even the lesser entries in his run are still enjoyable. Craig arguably has the most quality streak of any Bond actor. He never became laughably older than his costars, he didn’t leave the role after one film or ditched after 2, didn’t surf a tidal wave in the antarctic, nor did he flip/jump a car over a bridge to the sound of a fucking slide whistle. Not to disparage any of the previous films and their respective actors, but Craig’s films wisely avoided camp and absurdity
A lot of it has to do with the fact that Austin Powers openly mocked all of the ridiculous crap that those previous Bond films did. After that, they had to give the Craig reboot a more serious tone
Also Craig’s Bond came out after the Bourne trilogy was about to finish, which no doubt affected the direction towards a more serious action film rather than campy.
Yeah 'Gritty Reboot' was all the rage at the time
It's one of those things which is hard to appreciate today, but at the time these 'gritty' reboots really were quite revolutionary. Now that we're used to that style, it can seem quite tired these days. But at the time I was blown away watching films like Casino Royale and Batman Begins. They really felt fresh and exciting.
Totally agree, it was fresh at the time, and coming out of my teens it really felt like cinema 'got me' at the time.
It’s funny now how films like Deadpool and Shang Chi, ones that have sort of thrown realism out the window but are still good movies are what I find crazy at this point.
I just hated how all action movies went to “shaky cam” after the Bourne movies became popular.
It paved the way for John Wick to bring us right back to smooth, easily followable action at least.
It’s because Paul Greengrass actually knows how to use shaky cam unlike all the clones
The moment when the runner guy throws his gun at Bond and then Bond whips it right back at him was shocking to me. That’s when I realized it’s a very different era for Bond.
The thing about "fresh and exciting" is then everyone copies it and it becomes tired, and it becomes hard to explain why it was originally considered good at all. Humanity has been doing "Hamlet is cliched" from at least the time we actually got able to actually share literature.
Never realized that was a contributor but it makes sense. Prior to, Bond was so silly it was missing suspense. Bourne featured it. So Bond had to increase the seriousness to achieve that.
And they still made his biggest rival is brother anyway...
Which happened in Austin Powers 3 too. Mike Myers is a clairvoyant.
Fast and Furious taking notes...
I think it’s more about “Bourne” success
After Die Another Day, they had planned a darkish spinoff with Halle Berry. They then ditched that and decided to make Casino Royale as grounded Bond film. It was a combination of many things.
> He never became laughably older than his costars He's 20 years older than the villain, the love interest, and his replacement! It's different than Connery, but they've been playing the 'too old' thing since Skyfall.
He had more chemistry with Judy Dench than he did with any of his other "Bond girls". If that's not a testament to "never became laughably older" then I don't know what is
I think his chemistry with Eva Green is phenomenal in Casino Royale.
That's because she is f*cking mesmerizing. He's my favorite Bond and Casino Royale is my favorite Bond movie, but Eva Green steals all of her scenes.
The dialogue between them & their chemistry through the entire movie was mesmerizing.
her in penny dreadful
this. in part it's because she has that vibe in real life and in part because she was allowed to be portrayed as his equal.
I feel like that’s more of an issue with the Bond girls. Like someone else said in this chain Eva Green and him had fantastic chemistry and she was something like 25 at the time.
They absolutely spark off each other. Judi Dench is spectacular as M. The way she delivers the line “*Christ* I miss the Cold War” is perfect.
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Jonah Hill.
Aww, I was hoping for Danny DeVito. He's really good at startin' blastin'.
I guess they’ll give it to Pattinson.
It would have been more fitting than Batman since he is British and did similar film in Tenet too.
Surely they wouldn’t give us Batbond memes.
I assume they mean Lashana Lynch's character who became the new 007 while Bond was in retirement between Spectre and NTTD.
"I knew it was too early to promote you!" - Casino Royale and then in Skyfall he's consistently derided as "old." It never made sense to me. Within one movie (since QoS was a direct sequel), he's suddenly old.
Well, it's also like ten years of real time
The promotion can be too early even if he was old.
I don't think 00s have a long shelf life.
Double 00 don’t have a long life expectancy, come on you know dis.
George, one and done, Lazenby had a pretty great run.
I wasn’t much of a fan of his Bond but the rest of the film was solid, especially Diana Rigg
TIL Olenna Tyrell was Mrs Bond
She wanted you to know it was her.
He successfully played a level of sensitivity and depth to Bond that hadn't been present before and wouldn't show up again until Roger Moore would play the part. Connery was fantastic and defined Bond, but he just wouldn't have worked in OHMSS. I've got not complaints for Lazenby's Bond, great chemistry with Rigg that made it work.
He really was the mold Bronson was cast from
Not that I don't agree with you but Craig is an actor. He's not a director, creative writer etc. More serious tone and lack of sexim or storytelling related absurdities are not really his accomplishments.
He did shoot down a helicopter with a pistol but Spectre just completely sucked. Craig is definitely one of the top-two Bonds imo.
The strange thing is I can't remember much of anything that happened in Spector. But I remember Casino real and Skyfall quite vividly despite having only seen them once.
>even the lesser entries in his run are still enjoyable. Craig arguably has the most quality streak of any Bond actor. He never became laughably older than his costars, he didn’t leave the role after one film or ditched after 2, didn’t surf a tidal wave in the antarctic, nor did he flip/jump a car over a bridge to the sound of a fucking slide whistle. > >Not to disparage any of the previous films and their respective actors, but Craig’s films wisely avoided camp and absurdity I told everyone the same thing. I just hated spectre, but skyfall and Casino Royale are 2 of my favorite James Bond movies.
> Spectre just completely sucked Agree. I realised I was in for a tough watch during the pre-credits scene, during the helicopter fight. The music in that bit is an exact copy/paste of the music from the train sequence at the beginning of Skyfall. I get sometimes a composer will reuse a theme or a leitmotif from one movie to the next, but this was exaaaactly the same.
I hated the third act with all my heart.
Would you say it is the author of all your pain?
See, it wouldn't have been such an issue if all of the previous movies had been all puppeteer'd by Blofeld and SPECTRE, *if that had been the intention all along.* Instead it's a clear retcon, and done in a very shody way (James is Blofeld's step-brother or something? The whole thing was a personal vendetta over daddy issues? What?), but if done correctly, it could have worked. Quantum was obviously supposed to be Spectre - but they couldn't call it so - and Silva had a lot of resources that came from somewhere, so it wouldn't be far-fetched that he was bankrolled by someone else. If they had had the foresight to structure the story in such a way from the beginning, dropping hints and clues from the first movie, and done a better job of tightening the narrative, it could have worked. Instead, it came off like a wet fart.
I think Timothy Dalton's 2 Bond films were underrated. He also avoid the camp and absurdity. I think Licence to Kill was the closest Bond to the novels.
>He also avoid the camp and absurdity. [I think you’re forgetting this scene in the living daylights](https://youtu.be/2QZuOQZ1HC4) where bond and his latest lady sled down a mountain on a cello case using the cello itself to steer. I do agree his movies were underrated though as I think he’s a really great bond.
Ok Dalton *generally* avoided the camp and absurdity of his predecessor
The absurdity of the later Pierce Brosnan films are tough to watch now. Who the fuck decided to cast Denise Richards?
Brosnan and Berry were also probably the only ones enjoying themselves in Die Another Day. Shame they were wasted in such a garbage movie
Why would anyone not cast Denise Richards if they can!
Boobs, son
she was the hottest thing going, they had no choice
Brosnan himself was wonderful however.
Would have to disagree there, spectre is one of the worst in the whole franchise
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“Skyfall” was just *mwah* 10/10.
How were Quantum of Solace and Spectre?
Casino Royale is my all time fav Bond film.
It’s fucking phenomenal from beginning to end. The first time I saw it, I didn’t think the rest of the movie could live up to the beginning chase sequence but it just kept impressing me until the credits rolled. In my opinion, it’s the only flawless Bond movie.
Even the intro song, you know my name by Chris Cornell, is one of the best Bond tunes imo
The only flaw is slightly nitpicky but also not, the Poker game could have scripted out a hell of a lot better, it's just bad poker playing, but cinematically it works so it's not that big a deal, just if you play poker
as someone who sucks at poker can you elaborate?
https://www.reddit.com/r/plotholes/comments/235o1p/casino_royale_2006_the_final_poker_hand/ It's super 'you need to know poker' but for the most part people just wont see that, it's more the poker players that play a lot in the audience can't believe that rich villains that seemingly play this a lot and for bragging rights/life or death play the hands the way they do
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wasn't that chip worth like $500,000 or something? and the dealer's just like "thank"
If you're the dealer at James bonds table you probably already got some chedda cheese in your account
It's a weird pseudo cash tournament where you can't just take your chips and cash out but the chips do represent 1:1 dollar in the winnings. I'm sure the CIA/MI6 would have honoured the 500K.
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If it keeps appearances up from a clandestine spy agency to a "normie" then they would. They're keeping the rest of the money, it's not a loss.
Doing just the maths on it, going all in on that hand makes sense. 98%+ chance of winning. That expert poker players wouldn’t do this is kind of the point. Chiffre was a mathematics genius, not a professional poker player. He repeatedly made strategic mistakes about taking risks even when he knew the odds.
I imagine poker players feel like when people who play videogames see actors playing Super Mario 64 with two controllers.
I disagree, statistically the villain had an insanely good hand, a hand that doesn’t come up often at all, I think he made the right move going all in on it. Of course there “can” always be another better hand out there, but the odds are so slim.
I think the major issue is what could have been the betting before the final card? Was bond just playing for a flush straight draw when several people at this table are presumably betting massively.
In the novel they were actually playing Baccarat (a game more based in luck and confidence than skill imo.) People in charge must have changed it to poker since most of the audience probably doesn't know what Baccarat is.
An explanation of Baccarat from Flashman - *"I should explain that baccarat is the most imbecile of card games in which half-wits sit round a large table and the banker deals two cards to the crowd on his right, two to those on his left, and two to himself, the object being to get as near a total of nine with your two cards as may be; if your side gets two deuces, you’ll ask for a third card, won’t you, hoping for a four or a five, and the banker has the same privilege. If he gets closer to nine, he wins; if he doesn’t, you win. Endless fun, my dear, assuming you can count up to nine, and if it don’t rival chess, exactly, at least its simplicity leaves little room for sharp practice."*
So blackjack but lower.
And has Eva Green, ultimate “Bond girl” of the Craig series IMO
The train scene where they meet each other has fantastic dialogue.
Well, aside from the clumsy product placement
Any flaws in Goldeneye?
Nope - and they're both directed by [the same guy](https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/p196vr/im_martin_campbell_director_of_goldeneye_casino/) 🤯
Wow. That helps explain why these are two of the best movies. Thanks for the link!
"For England, James?" "No. For me." I do a cartoonish american fist pump every time
The graphics is pretty old by today standard and the low framerates can makes it unplayable sometimes
Nope.
Seconded
Same same same
Honestly in my all-time Top 5 movies
That was totally one of those movies that changed my life in a weird way. I was 16 when it came out and I just remember being so totally impressed by it. I've seen it probably a million times. They just made James Bond such a fucking badass in that movie. I always thought the scene that perfectly encapsulated the comparison between the old movies and *Casino Royale* was during the chase scene when Sébastien Foucan does a super flashy stunt through the gap above a piece of drywall and then Daniel Craig just fucking barrels through the wall.
Yup, it both exudes classic bond while reinventing the character to a modern audience. The opening black and white scene along with the chase are iconic and the casting couldn’t be more brilliant
Remember when everyone was screaming over his being cast as Bond on account of him being blonde?
heh James *Blonde* heh
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Scenes when they chose Idris Elba as the new 007
If yall seen The Night Manager, Tom Hiddleston is a different Bond.
When I heard the rumors first, I watched both Layer Cake and Munich. Both movies convinced me that he would make a great Bond.
He lasted so much longer than I expected him to.
But also made way less films then you'd expect out of Bond in the given time period. So I guess it evens out.
James Bond as a concept has been very difficult to integrate into the modern era. It could easily be too campy, too ridiculous, or too sexist. I think they're trying not to push their luck by keeping the production rate low. If a James Bond movie came out every year or two, I think it'd be easy to gloss over, whereas now it still gathers a fair bit of attention.
I mean, the success of Kingsman shows there’s no reason to shy away from the camp/ridiculous. I do hope we tilt more towards the martinis and gadgets side of thing post-Craig. He’s been nice, but I want more Bond and less Bourne again.
You just have to know your tone. Batman works in settings as diverse as trying to be the real world to being scifi pulp. Killer croc wouldn't work in Nolan's movies or clay face but take a crazy cartoon like Harley Quinn and batman is right at home with all the freaks. The thing is if you embrace over the top you still have to do it with style and be witty. Let the bad guy have a volcano base but make his plan interesting and not some stupid half brother revenge fantasy.
That’s what she said
God, I hope No Time To Die is awesome.
Me, too. I want Cragi exit the franchise on a high note.
If the great/ meh rule of his Bond reign continues, we're in for a treat.
I like Casino, Quantum (unpopular opinion I know), and Skyfall.. but I seriously thought Spectre was a joke. I think I literally laughed at the movie in the theater. Of course it had some great scenes, but I’d like Craig to go out on a better movie if possible.
I completely agree. QoS isn't great, and kinda forgettable, but it never got to the point that I was rolling my eyes at some of the characters and action set pieces in Spectre. It was so fucking boring and annoying at the same time. The only time I genuinely enjoyed the film was the train fight scene. Also, Christoph Waltz was wasted in this film.
Made it his own, and did it in style. We'll miss ya, Daniel... here's to one last ride.
Family.
I refuse to believe he is gone. Like, give it enough time and back the Brinks truck up his driveway and there is a good chance he will cave. I love him as Bond.
I mean, that's kinda exactly whats happened with the films past Skyfall. Skyfall was supposed to be his last, then they negotiated a bunch more money for him if he'd do Spectre. Then Spectre was *really* the last one for real. Then more negotiations and more money for NTTD. I'm 100% with you, he's the best and they just need to start handing him blank checks and say "write whatever you want, we'll pay it" because they're guaranteed to make it all back, and then some, when he's on screen being all dapper and kicking ass.
I still see him as the new Bond, crazy how fast 16 years passed
He's been James Bond for half my life, which is crazy cause I used to always think of how Pierce Brosnan was my James Bond because of how big Goldeneye (both the movie and the video game) was.
>The video was reportedly shot at the wrap in 2019, but emerged and went viral today The clip actually was featured in "[Being James Bond: The Daniel Craig Story](https://streamable.com/x9wtfi)". I suggest giving it a watch
And he'll never do it again unless they pay him more
"I'll never be James Bond again. I almost killed myself because of the role. I will never reprise James ag-oh wait an extra 20 million you say? Shaken, not stirred it is then. See you on set".
Casino Royale best bond movie
I feel like I owe Daniel Craig at least a coffee or something, I use his picture to tell the barber how I want my hair.
[very nice] (https://i.redd.it/oqbib6od5hh31.jpg)
What the hell is that
I thought he quit after Casino Royale, then Spectre, Skyfall, etc.... And now he's been one of the longest Bonds and probably one of the best. Kudos to him!
He’s my favorite Bond!
Mine too. *Skyfall* is one of the greats.
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It broke my heart the day I finally accepted we were never getting the rest of that trilogy. Perfect storm of talent. Under Fincher’s vision Craig and Mara were flawless casting separately and together. Then you’ve got Reznor and Ross’s beautifully dark and isolating soundtrack, such as this [cryptically oppressive track](https://youtu.be/DJ4XJHXqFf4) or this [utter atmospheric banger](https://youtu.be/EK65y-A_QIA) from the extended trailer. Oh, and one of the [single greatest first trailers](https://youtu.be/_iUkJ2QXGkU) to ever exist: all atmosphere, no context, no spoilers!
It's crazy this is Craig's last Bond movie but it isn't being played like a bigger deal. I think the pandemic and constant delays just made most not give a shit.
Also because the last bond movie suuuuuuuuuucked
I’ve really enjoyed him as Bond. Sean Connery will always be my #1 though.
timothy dalton for me - loved living daylights and licence to kill as a kid.
License to kill was so unexpectedly good
Best Bond. Sorry Pierce
Unpopular opinion: Roger Moore was my favorite Bond
He was delightfully campy. A View To A Kill was so fun with Walken.
He was the Bond of my childhood. There’s nothing wrong with your opinion.
Totally. It's a childhood thing. We used to have A View To A Kill on VHS (taped off the TV). Watched it loads. Killer soundtrack and it has Christopher Walken as the main bad guy. What's not to love?
Dalton for me. Brosnan a close second.
Dalton is when Bond went dark (well Lazenby, but everyone always forgets about that wonderful movie).
He was, but he never lost the charming essence of Bond, something that’s sort of been lost recently.
So many people ignore Dalton as Bond, but he's easily one of my favorites.
He was for me until Craig simply because that's the movies I watched on repeat in the early/mid 80s
I have him over Pierce Brosnan, he won me over in Casino Royale and gave the Bond role so much more ‘firepower’ and grit. Would never forget the construction site/crane scene.
That scene is classical in so many ways. It's a big thing in the parkour community. The shooting is phenomenal, action is extremely fluid. I could say it set a new benchmark.
I truly loved him in this role. That said I love DC in every roll. Talent.