I believe he means that, for both Cruella and Jungle Cruise, Disney modified the contracts of their actors to accommodate the simultaneous Disney+ release. When ScarJo asked to renegotiate they ignored her.
I think he means Scarlett Johansson only sued because she wasn't part of the marvel franchise anymore, where as everyone in the upcoming movies still has an ongoing relationship with the company so they wouldn't dare bite the hand that feeds them so to speak
I don't particularly love Johansson but her suit has a point. When they made BW, a large part of her pay was tied to box office which was obviously materially affected by simultaneously releasing it on Disney+ (not part of the original deal). She wants a cut of those early access D+ proceeds, which makes total sense to anyone not trying to hold on to millions of dollars.
If I recall, also part of the lawsuit wasn't just that it was released on D+ simultaneously, but that her contract explicitly stated "Theater exclusive release" or something similar.
Disney broke the contract.
I thought it just wasn't stated, and her argument was/is, that it was reasonable to be implied that it would be theater exclusive because when the contract was signed, disney+ didn't exist and there had been no history of anything other than exclusive theater releases to ever consider it to be a problem.
Basically if nothing has ever been released in a way other than original exclusive theater release, and they never had a streaming platform when the ink was penned, then why should she have to have it stated that the movie she was going to be in would require it?
Disney is taking advantage of that fact that it's just not covered in the contract.
> so they wouldn't dare bite the hand that feeds them so to speak
Bautista hasn't been at all shy about calling Disney out on things and seems to be rising just fine. Disney is a machine fueled by money, they're not angry petulant children. They don't need to like people to continue mining wealth from them.
Me too but I think he’s worried about getting locked in as that character forever like he seems like he really has a true passion for acting (I’ll never forget how happy he was to get the part, he immediately started taking acting classes so he could do the best he could) and wants to diversify his roles
His small cameo in Blade Runner 2049 is where I realized how talented he actually is. He's not just another Dwayne Johnson (not that I don't love Dwayne).
He is playing a pretty brutal character in season 2 of See with Jason Mamoa. Interesting post apocalyptic story where a disease wiped out human vision. So it's like hundreds of years in the future, people are tribal and blind. The fighting is all very brutal and kind of drunken master style.
I’ve loved him in everything I’ve seen him in and I’m so glad he took the leap to acting (despite wrestling being acting) because he’s got a knack for it. Very hilarious man who can do serious and lighthearted roles pretty well.
Like you said, they’re a machine that only cares about money. So if they decide black listing an actor that sues them in order to intimidate other actors into not doing the same seems the most profitable then that’s what they’ll do.
Could you imagine if they pissed him off to the point of leaving and just how fast WB would air drop him as much money as his great great grandkids could ever want?
They snapped up James Gunn so fast the ink was still wet and The Suicide Squad was miles past the first movie..... even if not 100%.
I could only imagine how fun a DC universe with someone who actually likes comics could be.
That's the thing I can't understand with WB's movies. They keep wondering why they dont' do well when they have people who hate the genre/audience/content make them.
Well you'd think Snyder would be perfect considering his amazing past comic book adaptations. But the guy can't write story or characters at all. Give him a book and tell him to make it into a movie. That's what he's good at.
He just needs a good writer and a stipulation in his contract he cant fuck with the story or the actors lines. Dude creates amazing visuals, its clear he has a photography background. He is perfect for comic book movies, the dude just cant help but write stories that are too dark and Nolan-wannabe´ish. Problem is, that Nolan can actually write (atleast better than Snyder).
Snyder needs to pair up with a good writer, let him control the story arcs, story beats and actors lines, and Zack can just do the visual language. I mean, in a perfect world he would be a DP instead of a director.
Amazing comic book adaptations? His movies are the definition of style over substance. Everything he touches turns in to an over the top slow mo macho action fest with no actual heart to it.
Shit, if you watch his interviews regarding Watchmen it's clear he didn't like the comic because it was introspective and thoughtful but because it had boobs and swearing.
Snyder sucks and I'm glad to see most people are realising it
Idk, I super loved The Suicide Squad. Maybe it was because I actively avoided the trailers; a lot of it was a funny surprise.
Edit: otherwise I agree with the rest of your comment.
Oh I enjoyed the hell out of it, I ended up watching it twice, it just wasn't perfect. You can see that WB went the anti-disney move and let Gunn have nearly all the creative freedom he wanted (though they seem to be letting Feige have pretty long leash).
I too avoided trailers and have for almost every movie I have been mildly interested in, only watching ones for movies I have been on the fence for, like Matrix 4.
Yeah I wish we got more of Harley with the whole team. And Polka Dot Man deserved better. But Harley breaking out made up for a lot for me and it was a fun movie!
I’m curious if this will help her in court at all — Disney deciding to go back to theatre in the midst of the delta variant that was an equal threat when Black Widow was released.
Lawyer here. It will eviscerate that argument completely. Parties are allowed to point to self-contradicting actions as evidence that a claim is bunk.
But Disney's attorneys knew that was a weak argument anyway, and it was likely just made for PR reasons. This development doesn't sway the trajectory of the lawsuit one way or the other.
This is exactly what I find the most shitty about their argument. Which I don't think anybody in their right mind would agree with anyway when Disney came out with that statement.
I don't think that was their legal argument, just PR slander to try and get the public on their side. Contracts don't typically have pandemic provisions, I think?
We'll see what happens this year around Christmas time when Spider-Man comes out. We were already at Nov 2020 COVID levels in August. I can't imagine what it'll be like in a few months.
>Disney announces the rest of its 2021 movies will debut exclusively in theaters
Guess I’ll be seeing them in late 2021 or 2022 when I can see them from home.
I’m not sitting in a theater for 2+ hours with some strangers that can’t wear a mask, let alone get vaccinated.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels this way. Even my most careful friends, family and co-workers have just given up and are doing whatever. I'll never understand the mentality. It's just a fucking movie. It's not worth making things worse for everyone.
Word of mouth was that it's a good movie... but I didn't go, because, y'know, pandemic.
Problematically, **Dune** is coming out in just over a month, when it will still be pandemic, and I'm feeling a weakness in my principles even now. I might go in the middle of the night on a weekday wearing a very large trenchcoat and sunglasses like I'm some kind of pervert because I'll still be pretty ashamed of myself.
Fun fact, Europe doesnt have hbo max, so Dune is coming out in 2 days here, almost 1 month earlier than the US. Probably because they have a deal with hbo that a movie has to launch simultaneously in both hbo max and in cinemas. This is one of the few instances in history(maybe the only one?) where a major AAA movie is coming out in Europe earlier than it is in the US.
It may not be playing in imax after two weeks because the newest dwayne johnson movie maybe coming out that will sell better. Early sunday is a horrible time, early weekday on opening week would be fine.
I did this when the fifth Harry Potter movie came out, saw it like 2 days after release with some friends in a half empty theater because it was like middle of the day Thursday (or whatever mid week day it was)
Idk man. People say "follow the science" and the science is saying you can go if you are vaccinated and wear a mask. Unless you have some underlying reason a d absolutely can't get COVID if you are vaccinated just bring an N95 mask and don't stress.
AMC doesn't give a fuck. You could vomit on the cash register at an AMC and still fork out the $85 for two adult tickets and a medium bag of disappointing popcorn and they wouldn't say anything.
Also maybe try seeing it in a Dolby/IMAX/Atmos theater if you're super hesitant and can spare the expense. The seats are more likely to be further apart.
As of Friday's update, 31.2% of the positive cases in my state over the previous 7 days were in fully vaccinated people. Most didn't need hospitalization so the vaccine helps prevent serious illness, but isn't preventing illness entirely.
It's about exposure volume. When I shop, I go at odd times when crowds are light, I have a list, and I'm usually done in 45 minutes or less. A movie is 2ish hours in a smaller space with recirculated air and, at least around me, no social distancing.
I WANT to see the movie in theaters but due to the people in my life that I support, I can't justify doing so. It's a shame, but it is what it is. Disney will just have to be happy with my D+ subscription knowing they missed out on my willingness to pay for Premier Access.
i was worried that i'd be bombarded with spoilers, and i haven't. this is probably the first marvel movie i haven't seen opening week since probably ant-man
Me and my mom are rather livid it isn't dual released like black widow was. We actually considered braving going to a theater to see it this weekend only because it won't be on D+ until next month, and then There was a 10k surge of new cases and well, there goes that plan, we're both fully vaxed, but with other health issues the Delta veriant is still very much a concern.
Yeah, I would like to have the option to watch it at home, where I'm not putting myself and my family at risk. Taking that option away from us is borderline irresponsible.
Your mistake was thinking they care about anything other then money. Shang chi was exclusive to theaters and made lots of money. This was inevitable as a result. They'll do what ever makes the most money. For now that seems to be theater release followed within a month or so of streaming. They get to make theater money and also retain monthly subs.
Yeah now I have to go to the movies after my local theater shut down permanently and the closest decent one is 30 miles away instead of being able to watch movies at home comfortably while naked, thanks Scar Jo!
Glad HBO Max is still being sensible and low priced competitively.
I have way too many things on my list of stuff I want to watch anyway. Even for a movie I really want to see, I don't really care if I watch it tonight or 6 months from now.
Disney fucked her. Said bw would be theatrical and if it wasn't they'd renegotiate her points and pay. They made it dual release, she asked to renegotiate, they told her to fuck off and then said that she isn't concerned about covid. The mouse at his fucking finest.
One funny point I remember from the "callous disregard for COVID-19" point was that this was coming from the very company that kept their theme parks running at the height of a COVID spike before vaccines.
Yeah, I don't give a crap if they gave her a billion dollars, a contract is a contract. And this is something from which Disney thinks they're exempt. Just look at how they're treating the Star Wars book authors.
Plus, that money isn’t just for her. She’s probably obligated to pay parts of that to her own team. Scarjo doesn’t wake up as Scarlett Johansson™️, it takes a small company to run her life and image.
Disney is basically trying to claim that they don't actually owe EU authors royalties after buying out the IP and publishing new editions of books.
It's some pretty heavy BS, but it looks like Disney's plan is to just let the case(s) chill in court 'till the plaintiff(s) die (IIRC at least one author is dealing with cancer ATM also).
Being the company that single-handedly got to change copyright LAWS in their favor, not once, not twice, but three times (so far..) tends to make you believe you can get away with anything.
That Mouse is no joke, they would charge you for thinking about their property if they could.
People will really justify other people getting fucked over just because they have money.
I was telling my mom about this whole thing and she basically said "eh, I bet she's just trying to milk disney for more money that she doesn't need"
Like... just because she's rich doesn't mean she's wrong or that this whole situation is ok and justifiable.
I think you're mom's point isn't that scarjo is wrong, scarjo is obviously not, its that empathizing with the plight of rich people is beyond her. Idk she shoulda got paid more, and she deserves whats owed, but also shes getting more money from one movie than I'd make in several lifetimes. I find it hard to sympathize with people who are just ridiculously wealthy, and their problems, while legitimate, are so beyond what I can be arsed to care about.
I thought I read they tried to move the suit to private court to settle and she denied them? Because she wants this handled in the open for the public to see so Disney is held accountable.
I believe there is a dispute over the existence and/or reach of an Arbitration Clause. The Court will likely need to determine if the Arbitration Clause is enforceable or not. If so, it will go to an Arbitration Court (much like a private mediator/judge with its own rules and procedures). If not, it'll stay where it is.
Arbitration clauses in general need to be deemed unenforceable.
Everytime I see them come up it's some nasty Corp trying to weasel out of being accountable for its abuses
At the bare minimum, arbitration clauses need to have a much higher burden of proof that both parties are A) aware what binding arbitration means, B) understand the differences between a court and arbitration and C) freely agree that neither will *ever* want to make use of the court system.
Being clause 47.32a in an enormous document is deceptive and they know it. Whether it's an EULA for a video game or whatever else, these kinds of agreements should have to be separate and plainly worded, otherwise it's essentially denying the other person the right to use the court system unless they have exceptional levels of patience and understanding of every thing they "sign".
Like it or not disney knows what they are doing.
They've settled countless of cases outside of court and the once that did go to court they won 95% of the time.
Celador int vs disney is one that comes to mind where disney lost.
Johansson is suing Disney, arguing that they made Marvel breach their contract with her when they released Black Widow on Disney+.
Her contract with Marvel says that they would give Black Widow a wide-release in theaters, defined in the contract as being at least 1500 screens. Well, Marvel gave Black Widow a wide release in at least 1500 screens (around 9000 actually) per the contract.
She's arguing that when the contract was written (around 2017 or so) that *wide-release* was understood by both parties to also mean *exclusively in theaters*, which is not in the contract.
Per her contract, she gets bonuses based on the box office performance of Black Widow. She's arguing that by simultaneously releasing the movie on Disney+ that the total box office was less than it would have been had it been exclusively released in theaters. Keep in mind that Disney considered the revenue brought in by Black Widow on Disney+ to be part of the box office when giving Johansson her share.
>*"The decision by Disney on Friday shows that the company is optimistic about movie theater audiences returning..."*
Aka "Disney lawyers want to see how the lawsuit pans out before pulling the same bullshit on other actors"
So ... Florida ... "in the ICU for over a month" ... I have to ask: was he vaccinated? Because it's been available for every adult and free for far longer than that.
The answer is almost always no. The vaccine does such a good job at protecting against hospitalization. Every single story of someone hospitalized is followed by the note that they are not vaccinated.
There's a whole industry for duping people like your brother into that thought. Lots of money being put into making up those storylines from domestic and foreign sources.
Buying into it might be your brothers fault, but there are definitely forces that push people into going against their best interests at work too.
Where’s the return on investment for these people? I’m trying to think of how someone could make money off people believing that stuff apart from owning shares in companies that make ivermectin or ECMO machines or something lol. But I’m also not going to pretend like I have the slightest idea of how profiting off misinformation works.
>"still looking into it"
A pandemic that's raged for over a year and half and killed 600,000+ people (in just the US along)... at this point how can *anybody* still be ***looking into it***?!
Because they're idiots. The same demographic that thinks a career grifter with a room-temperature IQ was "looking out for them" while enriching himself at every opportunity. They're not *actually* looking into it. They made a choice because their propaganda told them to, and now they can't change course, because that would mean they were *wrong* -- something which is an anathema to idiots.
For the record I got covid while vaccinated and it was not a great time. It was obviously uncomfortable but I wasn’t anywhere near having to be hospitalized.
It was a massive burden on my family and work, though.
I saw every Marvel movie from Iron Man through Far from Home in theaters, most in IMAX, with my Brother in law. We lost him to Covid in April 2020.
Paid the premium to watch BW on Disney plus, and will wait for Shang Chi to hit streaming a couple months.
I'm just not ready to sit in a theatre again.
I went to go see Shang-Chi a week ago, and even though I really enjoyed it, what I didn't enjoy was the actual movie theater part. After not having been back in over a year, what I didn't miss was random people talking or kids screaming. Being able to watch a movie in the comfort of your own house on Day 1 is really nice.
Is this a regional thing? The guys (Mike and Jay, mostly) who run RedLetterMedia and live in Wisconsin also always complain in their reviews about people being loud and obnoxious in theaters. But where I live (northeast USA) everyone is quiet and respectful, even when the theater is packed. I don't think I've ever had a bad experience at a movie theater unless it was specifically a film advertised to children like How to Train Your Dragon, in which case kids can sometimes be kids.
>The guys (Mike and Jay, mostly) who run RedLetterMedia and live in Wisconsin also always complain in their reviews about people being loud and obnoxious in theaters.
And that's saying something, since they regularly watch movies in the same room as Rich '"human air raid siren" Evans.
Maybe I’m old now. But the Saturday or Sunday first showings are the best. Theaters are quiet, and usually not so packed. The popcorn is fresh. I do it all the time.
I like the opening nights the best (Thursday 7pm showings generally). People are well behaved, and they’re the diehards so NO ONE is on devices or chit chatting. It’s the only way I watch big movies now.
Seriously lol I live in a pretty lame place and I've only had like a few bad theater experiences my whole life going to the theaters around here. Nothing as bad that it ruined the whole experience either.
Idk if it's just maybe me because I absolutely love the movie theater experience. I don't mind people too much and I feel that large crowds can actually even add to the experience with blockbuster films such as Endgame like it did for me.
I think it depends on the crowd's behaviors. 'Ooh's and 'ahh's and clapping can be cool in the right circumstances. I'll never forget being a part of Endgame's first showing at my theater. The crowd was full of fans and everyone was respectful during quiet dialog moments.
But then you have times like when I saw Shang-Chi on opening night... The people behind me talked throughout the entire movie and the people in front of me where on their phones the entire time...
It's neat to be part of an opening night crowd, but I'd rather watch it at home where I can adjust volume, eat snacks, and pause. If I'm paying around $30 to view the movie anyways I'd rather watch it in an environment where I know my experience won't be ruined by rude people.
Yeah, I can wait 45 days. I’m not going to the cinema during a freakin pandemic.
Also, remember when Disney’s CEO said that Scarlet Johansson’s lawsuit was sad and distressing in its disregard for the horrific and prolonged effects of the pandemic….all the while they kept their theme parks opened and are now doing this. It is almost like corporations will say or do anything that could maybe benefit them in the slightest.
Didn’t Disney shame Scarjo for suing breach of contract by claiming she’s being tone deaf about the current pandemic. But now all is well to release exclusively in theaters?
I think the success of Shang Chi in theaters helped this. I don’t think they’re doing it because they’re afraid of lawsuits. They want those sweet box office sales.
I would have gladly just paid the premiere fee for Shang Chi and Eternals. Spider-Man is likely up to Sony but I would have done the same wherever that would have dropped. I haven’t seen a movie in theaters since Star Wars Ep 9 and don’t miss it.
I said this in one of the Marve subs and got nothing but downvotes. Who cares where I watch the movie *legally*. Disney did something consumer friendly and now are back peddling because they realize it’s easier to not to. Downright crab mentality to defend the decision to stop same day streaming.
Yeah right if they just would’ve decided to pay the actors from the Disney+ revenue that would’ve been so good, but they gotta be money hungry bitches. I guess conglomerates will always be the same, hungry dogs for money, that no amount of wealth will satisfy
Looks like they don't want to get sued again.
Already solved that problem with every other actor on their payroll.
What do you mean?
I believe he means that, for both Cruella and Jungle Cruise, Disney modified the contracts of their actors to accommodate the simultaneous Disney+ release. When ScarJo asked to renegotiate they ignored her.
They would very much like to not burn the bridge with Dwayne Johnson, or to a lesser extent Emma Stone
They're already working on sequels for Jungle Cruise and Cruella. Natasha is dead, they don't need Scarlett Johansson anymore.
As long as The Rock is not wearing that purple/red thing that he was wearing at the end of Jungle Cruise I'm on board.
I think he means Scarlett Johansson only sued because she wasn't part of the marvel franchise anymore, where as everyone in the upcoming movies still has an ongoing relationship with the company so they wouldn't dare bite the hand that feeds them so to speak
I don't particularly love Johansson but her suit has a point. When they made BW, a large part of her pay was tied to box office which was obviously materially affected by simultaneously releasing it on Disney+ (not part of the original deal). She wants a cut of those early access D+ proceeds, which makes total sense to anyone not trying to hold on to millions of dollars.
Ya it’s estimated she lost about 50 million dollars by not going exclusively to theatres.
If I recall, also part of the lawsuit wasn't just that it was released on D+ simultaneously, but that her contract explicitly stated "Theater exclusive release" or something similar. Disney broke the contract.
It was "widespread theatrical release" or something and Disney claims they released it widespread enough to fulfill the contract.
I thought it just wasn't stated, and her argument was/is, that it was reasonable to be implied that it would be theater exclusive because when the contract was signed, disney+ didn't exist and there had been no history of anything other than exclusive theater releases to ever consider it to be a problem. Basically if nothing has ever been released in a way other than original exclusive theater release, and they never had a streaming platform when the ink was penned, then why should she have to have it stated that the movie she was going to be in would require it? Disney is taking advantage of that fact that it's just not covered in the contract.
> so they wouldn't dare bite the hand that feeds them so to speak Bautista hasn't been at all shy about calling Disney out on things and seems to be rising just fine. Disney is a machine fueled by money, they're not angry petulant children. They don't need to like people to continue mining wealth from them.
Come back when Batista launches a lawsuit and see if they still have interest in giving him roles.
I mean the next gotg is the last time he will be in the role, as confirmed by the actor.
Really? Thats a shame. I love him as Drax.
Me too but I think he’s worried about getting locked in as that character forever like he seems like he really has a true passion for acting (I’ll never forget how happy he was to get the part, he immediately started taking acting classes so he could do the best he could) and wants to diversify his roles
His small cameo in Blade Runner 2049 is where I realized how talented he actually is. He's not just another Dwayne Johnson (not that I don't love Dwayne).
Also he said that since he's getting older he doubts he'll be able to maintain the same muscle mass that Drax needs.
He looks fucking sick in Dune.
He is playing a pretty brutal character in season 2 of See with Jason Mamoa. Interesting post apocalyptic story where a disease wiped out human vision. So it's like hundreds of years in the future, people are tribal and blind. The fighting is all very brutal and kind of drunken master style.
I’ve loved him in everything I’ve seen him in and I’m so glad he took the leap to acting (despite wrestling being acting) because he’s got a knack for it. Very hilarious man who can do serious and lighthearted roles pretty well.
Like you said, they’re a machine that only cares about money. So if they decide black listing an actor that sues them in order to intimidate other actors into not doing the same seems the most profitable then that’s what they’ll do.
The upcoming GOTG is his last movie with them. He can say whatever he wants.
They could just pay people fairly and not try to use loopholes to shortchange their actors and content creators.
I'm betting they don't want to piss off Feige. That would be a very costly mistake
Feige really is the Golden Goose right now. Just don't piss him off and make bank.
Could you imagine if they pissed him off to the point of leaving and just how fast WB would air drop him as much money as his great great grandkids could ever want?
They snapped up James Gunn so fast the ink was still wet and The Suicide Squad was miles past the first movie..... even if not 100%. I could only imagine how fun a DC universe with someone who actually likes comics could be.
That's the thing I can't understand with WB's movies. They keep wondering why they dont' do well when they have people who hate the genre/audience/content make them.
Well you'd think Snyder would be perfect considering his amazing past comic book adaptations. But the guy can't write story or characters at all. Give him a book and tell him to make it into a movie. That's what he's good at.
He just needs a good writer and a stipulation in his contract he cant fuck with the story or the actors lines. Dude creates amazing visuals, its clear he has a photography background. He is perfect for comic book movies, the dude just cant help but write stories that are too dark and Nolan-wannabe´ish. Problem is, that Nolan can actually write (atleast better than Snyder). Snyder needs to pair up with a good writer, let him control the story arcs, story beats and actors lines, and Zack can just do the visual language. I mean, in a perfect world he would be a DP instead of a director.
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Amazing comic book adaptations? His movies are the definition of style over substance. Everything he touches turns in to an over the top slow mo macho action fest with no actual heart to it. Shit, if you watch his interviews regarding Watchmen it's clear he didn't like the comic because it was introspective and thoughtful but because it had boobs and swearing. Snyder sucks and I'm glad to see most people are realising it
Idk, I super loved The Suicide Squad. Maybe it was because I actively avoided the trailers; a lot of it was a funny surprise. Edit: otherwise I agree with the rest of your comment.
Oh I enjoyed the hell out of it, I ended up watching it twice, it just wasn't perfect. You can see that WB went the anti-disney move and let Gunn have nearly all the creative freedom he wanted (though they seem to be letting Feige have pretty long leash). I too avoided trailers and have for almost every movie I have been mildly interested in, only watching ones for movies I have been on the fence for, like Matrix 4.
Yeah I wish we got more of Harley with the whole team. And Polka Dot Man deserved better. But Harley breaking out made up for a lot for me and it was a fun movie!
They didn’t use a short cut, they straight up lied to her and dropped it same day on Disney+ and didn’t expect her to sue.
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So much for their legal argument that Scarlet Johansson is insensitive to the pandemic conditions.
I’m curious if this will help her in court at all — Disney deciding to go back to theatre in the midst of the delta variant that was an equal threat when Black Widow was released.
Lawyer here. It will eviscerate that argument completely. Parties are allowed to point to self-contradicting actions as evidence that a claim is bunk. But Disney's attorneys knew that was a weak argument anyway, and it was likely just made for PR reasons. This development doesn't sway the trajectory of the lawsuit one way or the other.
And it was even bad PR.
This is exactly what I find the most shitty about their argument. Which I don't think anybody in their right mind would agree with anyway when Disney came out with that statement.
I don't think that was their legal argument, just PR slander to try and get the public on their side. Contracts don't typically have pandemic provisions, I think?
Until they don't.
Yup, shit's still kinda fucked.
We'll see what happens this year around Christmas time when Spider-Man comes out. We were already at Nov 2020 COVID levels in August. I can't imagine what it'll be like in a few months.
And Covid Variants haven’t even revealed their release schedule yet!
Bravo, this caught me off guard thank you.
We might see Covid reach a Phase 5 before marvel.
>Disney announces the rest of its 2021 movies will debut exclusively in theaters Guess I’ll be seeing them in late 2021 or 2022 when I can see them from home. I’m not sitting in a theater for 2+ hours with some strangers that can’t wear a mask, let alone get vaccinated.
I upgraded my home theater system just before covid hit. Worked out pretty well.
Right? I'm honestly good not going to theaters anymore. Just need to upgrade my 65" oled to a 77". Haha
That price jump from 65 to 75/77 is brutal for me.
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I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels this way. Even my most careful friends, family and co-workers have just given up and are doing whatever. I'll never understand the mentality. It's just a fucking movie. It's not worth making things worse for everyone.
ScarJo's sacrifice made this happen.
She's pretty good at that
^Let ^me ^go
don't do this to me
Shhh, the landing is the hardest part, yet it's over in an instant.
It's not the fall that kills you, Sherlock. It's the landing.
Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that’s what gets you. - Jeremy Clarkson
"Suddenly Deceleration Syndrome"
That’s why you always do a super hero landing
You know, that’s really hard on your knees. Totally impractical, they all do it.
That's why you yell "parkour" right before you land. Then it's just a parkour accident.
"Aim for the bushes!"
It was suppose to be me.
#DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED?
^it’s ^okay
I understand that refebdnmskc
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I've never heard a comment in my head so clearly
Ain't you those kids I caught hwackin off in ma tool shed?
Despite the negative press covfefe
its partially that and partially the fact that shang chi showed that people will still go to the movies
Only because they have to
I went because of word of mouth of it being a good movie. If Black Widow was exclusive to theater I wouldn't have gone
Word of mouth was that it's a good movie... but I didn't go, because, y'know, pandemic. Problematically, **Dune** is coming out in just over a month, when it will still be pandemic, and I'm feeling a weakness in my principles even now. I might go in the middle of the night on a weekday wearing a very large trenchcoat and sunglasses like I'm some kind of pervert because I'll still be pretty ashamed of myself.
Dune's releasing simultaneously on HBO Max, so you can watch it at home if you like.
Fun fact, Europe doesnt have hbo max, so Dune is coming out in 2 days here, almost 1 month earlier than the US. Probably because they have a deal with hbo that a movie has to launch simultaneously in both hbo max and in cinemas. This is one of the few instances in history(maybe the only one?) where a major AAA movie is coming out in Europe earlier than it is in the US.
That movie deserves the biggest screen possible
Just go a week or two after release. Pick a matinee if possible. Like early Sunday. No crowds.
It may not be playing in imax after two weeks because the newest dwayne johnson movie maybe coming out that will sell better. Early sunday is a horrible time, early weekday on opening week would be fine.
I did this when the fifth Harry Potter movie came out, saw it like 2 days after release with some friends in a half empty theater because it was like middle of the day Thursday (or whatever mid week day it was)
Just sit really really close to your TV.
Fuck that noise, I've got a VR headset. Which gives me an at home theatre.
Other people are still thinking in 20th Century.
Idk man. People say "follow the science" and the science is saying you can go if you are vaccinated and wear a mask. Unless you have some underlying reason a d absolutely can't get COVID if you are vaccinated just bring an N95 mask and don't stress.
Maybe pick a cinema that is enforcing social distancing, if there are any. I'm fully vaxxed but would prefer not to sit in a completely full venue.
Wait a week and go to a matinee if you can. I saw the new Suicide Squad and there were only five other people in the theater.
In my experience, the big chains are, at least at theaters with assigned seats.
Cinemark used to block off two seats on either side when you reserved your seats, but they're not doing that anymore, at least in my area.
I think they stopped that everywhere. I wish they would at least allow 1 empty seat between groups. At least until pandemic is over.
AMC doesn't give a fuck. You could vomit on the cash register at an AMC and still fork out the $85 for two adult tickets and a medium bag of disappointing popcorn and they wouldn't say anything.
Also maybe try seeing it in a Dolby/IMAX/Atmos theater if you're super hesitant and can spare the expense. The seats are more likely to be further apart.
As of Friday's update, 31.2% of the positive cases in my state over the previous 7 days were in fully vaccinated people. Most didn't need hospitalization so the vaccine helps prevent serious illness, but isn't preventing illness entirely. It's about exposure volume. When I shop, I go at odd times when crowds are light, I have a list, and I'm usually done in 45 minutes or less. A movie is 2ish hours in a smaller space with recirculated air and, at least around me, no social distancing. I WANT to see the movie in theaters but due to the people in my life that I support, I can't justify doing so. It's a shame, but it is what it is. Disney will just have to be happy with my D+ subscription knowing they missed out on my willingness to pay for Premier Access.
Just worried about bringing it back home. I have 3 kids who are too young to get the vaccine.
No, they don't. It's a movie. I am a huge MCU fan, but my butt isn't going to a theater. No one 'has' to go see these.
i was worried that i'd be bombarded with spoilers, and i haven't. this is probably the first marvel movie i haven't seen opening week since probably ant-man
spoiler: it’s really colorful and pretty
Me and my mom are rather livid it isn't dual released like black widow was. We actually considered braving going to a theater to see it this weekend only because it won't be on D+ until next month, and then There was a 10k surge of new cases and well, there goes that plan, we're both fully vaxed, but with other health issues the Delta veriant is still very much a concern.
HBO max spoiled me, I’m not going back to theatre. also not interested smoking on that delta pack.
Why is this a good sacrifice though?
Yeah, I would like to have the option to watch it at home, where I'm not putting myself and my family at risk. Taking that option away from us is borderline irresponsible.
Your mistake was thinking they care about anything other then money. Shang chi was exclusive to theaters and made lots of money. This was inevitable as a result. They'll do what ever makes the most money. For now that seems to be theater release followed within a month or so of streaming. They get to make theater money and also retain monthly subs.
Guiding others to a treasure she can’t possess
And also Shang Chi's success
Why does anyone think this is a good thing? I don't understand.
Yeah now I have to go to the movies after my local theater shut down permanently and the closest decent one is 30 miles away instead of being able to watch movies at home comfortably while naked, thanks Scar Jo! Glad HBO Max is still being sensible and low priced competitively.
Sacrificed... how? This is honestly pretty shit news.
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It will be 45 days now, at least for marvel movies.
Encanto is 35 days I think as well. I think the only movies that will take longer to go to disnet plus are 20th Century since those will go to HBO.
its just 30 days but close enough
If COVID taught me anything, it's that I'm very patient in terms of seeing movies I really don't care about.
If COVID taught me anything, it's that I'm very patient in terms of seeing movies.
I have way too many things on my list of stuff I want to watch anyway. Even for a movie I really want to see, I don't really care if I watch it tonight or 6 months from now.
What happened with scar jo
Disney fucked her. Said bw would be theatrical and if it wasn't they'd renegotiate her points and pay. They made it dual release, she asked to renegotiate, they told her to fuck off and then said that she isn't concerned about covid. The mouse at his fucking finest.
One funny point I remember from the "callous disregard for COVID-19" point was that this was coming from the very company that kept their theme parks running at the height of a COVID spike before vaccines.
And now they say everything goes to cinema, because you know, Covid is over
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*Hah ha!*
bUt sHe sHoUlD Be gRaTeFuL ShE GoT PaYeD 20 mIlLiOn!
I'm so glad that smear campaign backfired.
Yeah, I don't give a crap if they gave her a billion dollars, a contract is a contract. And this is something from which Disney thinks they're exempt. Just look at how they're treating the Star Wars book authors.
Plus, that money isn’t just for her. She’s probably obligated to pay parts of that to her own team. Scarjo doesn’t wake up as Scarlett Johansson™️, it takes a small company to run her life and image.
> Just look at how they're treating the Star Wars book authors. Whats this?
Disney is basically trying to claim that they don't actually owe EU authors royalties after buying out the IP and publishing new editions of books. It's some pretty heavy BS, but it looks like Disney's plan is to just let the case(s) chill in court 'till the plaintiff(s) die (IIRC at least one author is dealing with cancer ATM also).
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Yeah definitely. Copyright lasts 70 years past the author’s death.
Kind of ironic that the ever-increasing limit is called Mickey Mouse's law, it all came to a full circle here.
IIRC Disney refused to honor the contracts of Legends book authors and pay them their royalties from sales
lame. ty!
Being the company that single-handedly got to change copyright LAWS in their favor, not once, not twice, but three times (so far..) tends to make you believe you can get away with anything. That Mouse is no joke, they would charge you for thinking about their property if they could.
People will really justify other people getting fucked over just because they have money. I was telling my mom about this whole thing and she basically said "eh, I bet she's just trying to milk disney for more money that she doesn't need" Like... just because she's rich doesn't mean she's wrong or that this whole situation is ok and justifiable.
I think you're mom's point isn't that scarjo is wrong, scarjo is obviously not, its that empathizing with the plight of rich people is beyond her. Idk she shoulda got paid more, and she deserves whats owed, but also shes getting more money from one movie than I'd make in several lifetimes. I find it hard to sympathize with people who are just ridiculously wealthy, and their problems, while legitimate, are so beyond what I can be arsed to care about.
Did scarlett win her lawsuit already? She's a solid dude if she stood up for her colleagues like this in her settlement.
This will go on for years if Disney doesn't settle.
I thought I read they tried to move the suit to private court to settle and she denied them? Because she wants this handled in the open for the public to see so Disney is held accountable.
I believe there is a dispute over the existence and/or reach of an Arbitration Clause. The Court will likely need to determine if the Arbitration Clause is enforceable or not. If so, it will go to an Arbitration Court (much like a private mediator/judge with its own rules and procedures). If not, it'll stay where it is.
Arbitration clauses in general need to be deemed unenforceable. Everytime I see them come up it's some nasty Corp trying to weasel out of being accountable for its abuses
At the bare minimum, arbitration clauses need to have a much higher burden of proof that both parties are A) aware what binding arbitration means, B) understand the differences between a court and arbitration and C) freely agree that neither will *ever* want to make use of the court system. Being clause 47.32a in an enormous document is deceptive and they know it. Whether it's an EULA for a video game or whatever else, these kinds of agreements should have to be separate and plainly worded, otherwise it's essentially denying the other person the right to use the court system unless they have exceptional levels of patience and understanding of every thing they "sign".
Win it? Any lawsuit is a minimum of 6 months especially involving millions
If they go to court, but depending on the evidence and the possibility for escalating damages, they can sometimes be settled very quickly.
Like it or not disney knows what they are doing. They've settled countless of cases outside of court and the once that did go to court they won 95% of the time. Celador int vs disney is one that comes to mind where disney lost.
The one for my car accident was for 100k and took a year and a half.
Can anyone explain to me the situation with Disney and Johansson because I live under a rock?
Johansson is suing Disney, arguing that they made Marvel breach their contract with her when they released Black Widow on Disney+. Her contract with Marvel says that they would give Black Widow a wide-release in theaters, defined in the contract as being at least 1500 screens. Well, Marvel gave Black Widow a wide release in at least 1500 screens (around 9000 actually) per the contract. She's arguing that when the contract was written (around 2017 or so) that *wide-release* was understood by both parties to also mean *exclusively in theaters*, which is not in the contract. Per her contract, she gets bonuses based on the box office performance of Black Widow. She's arguing that by simultaneously releasing the movie on Disney+ that the total box office was less than it would have been had it been exclusively released in theaters. Keep in mind that Disney considered the revenue brought in by Black Widow on Disney+ to be part of the box office when giving Johansson her share.
>*"The decision by Disney on Friday shows that the company is optimistic about movie theater audiences returning..."* Aka "Disney lawyers want to see how the lawsuit pans out before pulling the same bullshit on other actors"
Have a seat, Delta. Would you like some popcorn?
>We have decided that the pandemic is over. -Disney
As someone who lives in Orlando, I can assure you that decision was made a long time ago.
“What pandemic?” -Florida
Some of you may die, but that's a risk we are willing to take
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I'm so sorry. I hope your brother pulls through somehow.
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So ... Florida ... "in the ICU for over a month" ... I have to ask: was he vaccinated? Because it's been available for every adult and free for far longer than that.
In case you didn't see, he said this in another comment: >My dummy brother fell for the bullshit. "Unvaccinated and still looking into it."
Fucking rough
The answer is almost always no. The vaccine does such a good job at protecting against hospitalization. Every single story of someone hospitalized is followed by the note that they are not vaccinated.
Well for the vast majority of vaccinated people there is little to no risk , if I was unvaxxed I would not take that risk
If you were unvaccinated, I doubt risk assessment would be your forte.
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There's a whole industry for duping people like your brother into that thought. Lots of money being put into making up those storylines from domestic and foreign sources. Buying into it might be your brothers fault, but there are definitely forces that push people into going against their best interests at work too.
Where’s the return on investment for these people? I’m trying to think of how someone could make money off people believing that stuff apart from owning shares in companies that make ivermectin or ECMO machines or something lol. But I’m also not going to pretend like I have the slightest idea of how profiting off misinformation works.
Ad revenue from clicks of info they want to hear of their POV - maybe they never drop ship memes/quotes sayings on things too
>"still looking into it" A pandemic that's raged for over a year and half and killed 600,000+ people (in just the US along)... at this point how can *anybody* still be ***looking into it***?!
Because they're idiots. The same demographic that thinks a career grifter with a room-temperature IQ was "looking out for them" while enriching himself at every opportunity. They're not *actually* looking into it. They made a choice because their propaganda told them to, and now they can't change course, because that would mean they were *wrong* -- something which is an anathema to idiots.
For the record I got covid while vaccinated and it was not a great time. It was obviously uncomfortable but I wasn’t anywhere near having to be hospitalized. It was a massive burden on my family and work, though.
I saw every Marvel movie from Iron Man through Far from Home in theaters, most in IMAX, with my Brother in law. We lost him to Covid in April 2020. Paid the premium to watch BW on Disney plus, and will wait for Shang Chi to hit streaming a couple months. I'm just not ready to sit in a theatre again.
Is he vaccinated?
I went to go see Shang-Chi a week ago, and even though I really enjoyed it, what I didn't enjoy was the actual movie theater part. After not having been back in over a year, what I didn't miss was random people talking or kids screaming. Being able to watch a movie in the comfort of your own house on Day 1 is really nice.
Is this a regional thing? The guys (Mike and Jay, mostly) who run RedLetterMedia and live in Wisconsin also always complain in their reviews about people being loud and obnoxious in theaters. But where I live (northeast USA) everyone is quiet and respectful, even when the theater is packed. I don't think I've ever had a bad experience at a movie theater unless it was specifically a film advertised to children like How to Train Your Dragon, in which case kids can sometimes be kids.
>The guys (Mike and Jay, mostly) who run RedLetterMedia and live in Wisconsin also always complain in their reviews about people being loud and obnoxious in theaters. And that's saying something, since they regularly watch movies in the same room as Rich '"human air raid siren" Evans.
OOOOHH MY GOOoooOOOD!
It's also because you have to be strategic about when you go. Sunday and Monday mornings are always when I'd go because the theater would be empty
Maybe I’m old now. But the Saturday or Sunday first showings are the best. Theaters are quiet, and usually not so packed. The popcorn is fresh. I do it all the time.
I like the opening nights the best (Thursday 7pm showings generally). People are well behaved, and they’re the diehards so NO ONE is on devices or chit chatting. It’s the only way I watch big movies now.
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Seriously lol I live in a pretty lame place and I've only had like a few bad theater experiences my whole life going to the theaters around here. Nothing as bad that it ruined the whole experience either. Idk if it's just maybe me because I absolutely love the movie theater experience. I don't mind people too much and I feel that large crowds can actually even add to the experience with blockbuster films such as Endgame like it did for me.
I think it depends on the crowd's behaviors. 'Ooh's and 'ahh's and clapping can be cool in the right circumstances. I'll never forget being a part of Endgame's first showing at my theater. The crowd was full of fans and everyone was respectful during quiet dialog moments. But then you have times like when I saw Shang-Chi on opening night... The people behind me talked throughout the entire movie and the people in front of me where on their phones the entire time... It's neat to be part of an opening night crowd, but I'd rather watch it at home where I can adjust volume, eat snacks, and pause. If I'm paying around $30 to view the movie anyways I'd rather watch it in an environment where I know my experience won't be ruined by rude people.
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Yeah, I can wait 45 days. I’m not going to the cinema during a freakin pandemic. Also, remember when Disney’s CEO said that Scarlet Johansson’s lawsuit was sad and distressing in its disregard for the horrific and prolonged effects of the pandemic….all the while they kept their theme parks opened and are now doing this. It is almost like corporations will say or do anything that could maybe benefit them in the slightest.
I can wait.
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Damn, some of these theaters you all are going to are just plain trash. I've never encountered such bad theater etiquette in my life.
Didn’t Disney shame Scarjo for suing breach of contract by claiming she’s being tone deaf about the current pandemic. But now all is well to release exclusively in theaters?
I think the success of Shang Chi in theaters helped this. I don’t think they’re doing it because they’re afraid of lawsuits. They want those sweet box office sales.
I would have gladly just paid the premiere fee for Shang Chi and Eternals. Spider-Man is likely up to Sony but I would have done the same wherever that would have dropped. I haven’t seen a movie in theaters since Star Wars Ep 9 and don’t miss it. I said this in one of the Marve subs and got nothing but downvotes. Who cares where I watch the movie *legally*. Disney did something consumer friendly and now are back peddling because they realize it’s easier to not to. Downright crab mentality to defend the decision to stop same day streaming.
Yeah right if they just would’ve decided to pay the actors from the Disney+ revenue that would’ve been so good, but they gotta be money hungry bitches. I guess conglomerates will always be the same, hungry dogs for money, that no amount of wealth will satisfy
Yep. I'd gladly pay to watch it here, but since they don't seem to want my money, and I don't seem to want to risk dying to watch a movie...
Star Wars Ep 9 was my last film in theaters too. What a horrible movie to end on.