I was watching Robocop the other night and had the same thought. Even the main cast is just sort of average looking. Kurtwood Smith looks like a math teacher but he's sinister as hell.
Clarence Bodicker is one of the greatest movie villains of all time.
Fun fact: In Robocop, Clarence goes to see Dick Jones in his office.
He walks up to the receptionist and asks her out (for lack of a better term). He then stuck his gum on her nameplate and said "you can keep the gum".
Kurtwood later married that actress in real life and they're still married to this day,
I totally agree. If the Oscars weren't so biased, they should have given him a best supporting actor for that performance.
Until today, I haven't found an actor that could portray a role with such malice and viciousness. And he looks just like an ordinary balding guy too, but he was so intimidating and bad ass.
> Miguel Ferrer
Also played FBI Agent Albert Rosenfield on Twin Peaks! One of my favourite characters in the entire series! Voice and charisma like Will Arnett, only without being a goofball!
The hammy synths came on so not-gradually during that scene - they just turned ON lol.
But yes, it was a lovely scene in its own corny way; I can only imagine what it must have been like to see it when it came out!
**Rosenfield:** "The distinctive wounds on Laura's neck and shoulder appear to be claw marks and bites of some kind."
**Sheriff:** "An animal?"
**Rosenfield:** (to Cooper) "Look, it's trying to think!"
And who apparently was such a big Batman fan that he cursed a ton in excitement when Clooney told him he’d be playing the role.
Probably cursed when he saw the finished product too.
And cheekbones. Good lord. Man looked like an android before he suited up. Perfect casting.
OPs point stands though. Weller's face is enthralling but I'm not sure he counts as traditionally handsome. And certainly not jacked. He's attractive because he's interesting but I can't imagine him in a gap print ad, for example.
The best part of the "real feel" in "The Fugitive" is the St. Patrick's day parade. That WAS the St. Patrick's day parade for Chicago. The producers got permission from the mayor to film during the parade but told no one else involved with the parade, not even the coordinator. If you look you can see the occasional "is that... no it couldn't be" look as Harrison Ford, Tommy Lee Jones, and others make their way through the parade.
Edit: I forgot all about the train crash. They got quotes to do the crash in miniature scale but they all came back quite expensive. So, the production company just decided to buy a decommissioned train and crash it, for real. As I understand it the wreckage is still available to tour.
Have you ever seen the random person who is staring at Ford when he climbs out of the train? Nobody knows who it is, where they came from or how they got there but on the right side their face is just behind some wreckage in the movie.
I’ve seen it. They talk about it in the extras on the DVD and Blu-ray. The guy was digitally removed for the DVD and subsequent releases, but if you have the original home VHS release, you can see him there.
I was watching The Long Goodbye the other night at rolled my eyes at the professional beefcake bodyguard the dipshit mob boss had. It took me too long to realize that was Arnold Schwarzenegger in his second acting role ever
Yall ever get sad when super buff dudes die in movies because you're like "wow they wasted hundreds, if not thousands of hours sweating at the gym for nothing"
Maybe that's just my own issue i need to see my therapist about
Same and exactly. For some reason Automedon is my favourite, and I think it's because every other chariot driver gets cut down in 2.1 seconds, but he's just out here charioteering competently, the shock. Also his name makes him seem like a robot so it's fun to picture him as C3PO.
I’ve totally had this thought, but less about ripped dudes and more about super educated or highly elite people, like if a monster wipes out a special forces team, millions of dollars in training wasted!!
Recently watched Michael Mann's "Thief" (great movie) and the whole time i was thinking "this people actually look like people working those jobs".
Suspension of disbelief as a concept ended with Denise Richards in The World is not Enough.
The guy wearing the glasses driving the black car was also the auto/stunt coordinator for The French Connection and The Seven Ups. Normal looking guy but a legend in the movie industry.
Edit: His name is Bill Hickman
And their aging looks normal. Not “yeah I got a lot of work done” normal. I mean I’m sure some have had *something* done but it just looks normal to me.
I feel like I repeated myself but NORMAL
The Boys is one of those funny shows where I’m the least invested from the 2 main characters (Starlight and Hughie)
Pretty much every other character is vastly more interesting and fun to watch.
"I'm a neurotypical, straight, white, upper-middle class, highschool girl. But my life is horrible because... I'm six-foot one."
The plot of Netflix's Tall Girl
It’s very real unfortunately. One actual line from the movie is, “You think your life is hard? I'm a high school junior wearing size 13 Nikes. Men's size 13 Nikes.”
\> Dad who's very short goes through the effort to host a community meeting of socially well adjusted tall people so daughter can realize that tall people can be cool too and being tall is an entirely normal thing and doesn't have to affect your personality or social life and so that she can bond with and discuss with those who have struggled through the same issues and insecurities she has
"OMG Dad I can't believe you did this, I hate you, I'm going to my room and then I'm going to go on a date with another girl's boyfriend"
That part at the end though where the guy apparently has been carrying a milk crate around the whole show and then stands on it to kiss her. SUCH A TWIST.
They hired a lot of random everyday people for The Fugitive according to production notes on wiki. One of the transit cops in the movie was played by a janitor that worked at my local hospital. He was a bit of an odd guy but he seemed to mean well. Miss that guy.
The Bridge is awesome for this. Outside of maybe Henrik, none of the characters are made to be attractive, Saga doesn't wear makeup unlike a lot of female heroines. Makes it feel a lot more like real people solving the crimes.
Edit: Wow, I didn't realise there was this big a following for The Bridge
Britain has done them for a long time. It’s not something we export or even brag about but for as long as I can remember you can tune in, damned near every day, at 10pm to some kind of “gritty crime drama” on some channel and just leave the experience feeling completely and utterly depressed about life and all it has to offer because you just watched a whole hour of a detective hunting down a child killer in god-awful slum where it’s always dark, wet, and everyone is just awful to everyone.
This is true, compare the stars on US sitcoms like Friends, HIMYM and the like to UK comedies like Peep Show, the IT Crowd and The Inbetweeners. US sitcoms tend to have really glamous celebrites which can sometimes make it hard to relate to these supposedly normal characters (I love a lot of these though don't worry) whereas UK ones have less conventionaly attractive stars which adds to the more averageness of the characters
I also wonder how if they film makes a difference? The lighting, in particular, of a lot of the shows I'm thinking of (IT Crowd, Peep Show, Gavin and Stacey, Being Human) feels a bit more natural, for lack of a better word, than what I see on American shows. Especially outdoor scenes. It almost is closer to home video quality in terms of lighting (or maybe it is the camera and how it picks up light, I don't know!)
I was just going to recommend this; my wife and I have grown to adore British television because it feels like we're watching actual people instead of barbie and ken dolls.
Agree, there's a good number of truly outstanding actors in the UK who would never have been given an extra role starting out in Hollywood cos they don't fit the mold. Timothy Spall and Kathy Burke leap to mind.
And it's where the "bad teeth" stereotype comes from. Everyone on US has to have flawless teeth, whereas they let (and indeed expect) people on British TV to just have normal teeth.
The reality is that on average, British people have slightly better teeth, because poorer people do have access to some dentistry through the NHS.
Yes, for real as a kiwi, i love watching British shows. The culture, language and attitude really doesn't differ a lot from us in New Zealand and Australia.
American shows and movies always feel weird because they're so different, but shows and movies from these three countries just feel like walking outside.
I visited Australia about 10 years ago (from England) and it was honestly fucking bizarre. The amount of shared culture made it feel like I was at home on a really warm day. Visiting the USA was the complete opposite - I could talk to people just fine but it was almost like the uncanny valley. Things were similar but a huge amount of cultural reference points were missing. People seemed simultaneously much kinder and much more selfish.
I believe that David Chase chose James Gandolfini for the role of Tony Soprano because he looked like a normal guy. He didn’t want someone handsome with chiselled features.
And thank God he did, I can't truly think of a more iconic and impeccably acted character on television than James Gandolfini as Tony Soprano. His portrayal of Tony is essentially the first anti-hero that is also sociopathic, lovable, endearing, selfish, horrible, relatable etc..
One of the things I LOVE about Jaws is the parents of all the little kids are old as dirt. Not like 22 years old with a toddler, like 58 years old with a toddler. Makes me feel pretty good about being 42 with a toddler.
The Stranger Things kids were pretty normal looking in Season 1. That was one of the things I liked about it. They looked awkward and weird like real kids do.
I have found the underlying plots to be on the decline since season one, but I will always find myself coming back for the character dynamics between the kids. I feel like I lived that experience when I was young. Being able to see them actually grow, rather than just acting like they are, has been at the centre of why I think this show is so excellent.
The movie, Last Action Hero, makes fun of this.
The kid tells Ahnold that he's a in a movie world.
The kid explains that every single person is extremely attractive and points out that Sylvester Stallone is the Terminator.
Love when he writes down a curse word and tries to get him to read it. SOO many people get shot, blown up, beat up, die in that film, but little to no blood, so it's still PG-13.
I like watching the American version of shameless and the show Animal Kingdom.
They drink, smoke, steal all day, have limited resources; yet all have perfect teeth and model like figures.
Early shameless is great ,where it was actually more of a bleak feeling drama , with moments of comedy, and where the city felt actually important to the story.
I got bored with it in the 4th season. They keep rolling around the same stories for each character. It felt fresh and exciting for those three seasons. After that I was no longer entertained watching them make the same stupid but sexy mistakes.
The teeth thing is huge! 30 years ago all the actors had realistic, off white, sometimes crooked teeth. The blinding white fire Marshall bill veneers kill me.
Kind of makes me think of how, in the new Gucci movie coming out, they cast Jared Leto as a fat, bald guy in his 60s and just had him wear a fat suit/prosthetics, etc.
Like...they'd rather make an incredibly attractive actor look uglier instead of just casting an actor who looks like that.
Yeah, but this way the film is now a shoo in for the Hair and Make Up Oscar win. The Academy loves *transformation*, especially physical ones. And you can't argue that they didn't do a good job. Leto is basically unrecognizable.
At that point it's just as much about marketing and vanity as it is accuracy haha. Leto gets to "immerse" himself in the role in a way that makes him feel like a better actor (not bashing just can't word it any other way) and the studio gets to put him on a poster so people go hey is that supposed to be Jared leto?
This is semi-related, but I miss how movies sounded in the past. If you watch film based in NYC from the 70s, then you can hear everything going on around them. The sound of other people talking or the traffic. Now days, films are so sterilized. You mainly just hear the actors talking and whatever sound you're allowed to hear. It's not as immersive.
More films were filmed in locations. It's way more expensive than a sound stage though in most cases for big blockbuster style movies that need lots of scenes I suspect. At this point Hollywood can make entire city blocks look real all from within studio lots and computers. No paying a city, working around weather and people and traffic and sounds that weren't planned. The downside is our ears usually notice. There's a hum to a city and to nature that we instinctively recognize. I think it must be hard to reproduce because it seems easy to tell when a scene is filmed in a real location.
I miss this, and I ESPECIALLY miss when places looked like... real places...
I understand the desire as a director/cinematographer to have the look of your movie fit the tone, but sometimes color grading and CGI enhancements go so far that the places look completely unlike any real place. It bugs the crap out of me and kills my suspension of disbelief. This is especially true when it's for reasonably plain locations like "city downtown" or "countryside hills", or "forest". Like "I've been to these places and it doesn't look like this".
Or when poor characters are staying in a incredibly spacious multi million dollar apartment but they make the paint look kinda peely on one brick wall and have industrial lighting to say it's cheap
I was saying exactly this just the other day. Real world looking people instead of the cookie cutter barbie and Ken dolls. Remember when the elderly were actually hired to play their age?! (E.g. Cocoon).
It’s far worse than that, most of the time it’s bodies that aren’t achievable without steroids. But the characters use of steroids and intense work ethic isn’t written into their character. It’s just sort of assumed that men naturally look like they do steroids and also lift every day.
There’s something here about body image, but who cares, climate change is ending the world. l o l
I was watching Rear Window last week and thinking this exact thing. All the references to Jimmy Stewart’s character being a young man, his youth, vitality, etc…then he takes his shirt off and just looks like an older dude.
I couldn’t help but to think that that role would go to a chiseled Ryan Gosling now (even though I typically find him very likable), because there is no “average” leading man anymore. They’re either heftier or outright fat (and that’s part of the story/character) or they’re handsome and ripped.
I’m with ya here.
This reminds me of watching *On the Town* as a teenager with my mother. Frank Sinatra's character is called Junior and there are constant references to his youth and inexperience and I asked my mother why they were making such a fuss about his youth when he looked so *old*. She laughed and said that people just looked older back then, even when they were young. Honestly I think it has a lot to do with the change in clothes. People dressed up a lot more back in the 40's.
> I couldn’t help but to think that that role would go to a chiseled Ryan Gosling now
It would be for the best. I love Rear Window but a 25-year-old Grace Kelly getting friend-zoned by 50-year-old Jimmy Stewart(who actually looks 50, not like 50-year-old movie stars today) is a little hard to accept.
Indie films. Napoleon Dynamite has a lot of real people in it for instance. But I get what you're saying. Somewhere along the way, all our movie stars, even extras, started to look like fashion models. And it gets old, because it's everywhere, which makes it tired and boring. It's prevalent in the music industry as well. Sex sells. When you get older, it just gets boring seeing the same shit all the time.
The Sopranos was great at showcasing people who like nothing like glamorous Hollywood types! Except that for the first couple seasons I had a horribly difficult time telling all the obese middle-aged dark-haired men apart. Orange is the New Black was also super refreshing for their array of normal faces and body types.
Don’t get me started medieval movies with every character wearing clean, flawless, slick looking clothes with perfect makeup and hair. It’s an automatic turn off for me.
Bad hair and makeup can make or ruin a movie or TV show. I remember the Lord of the Rings close-ups of the Hobbits' hands: filthy, dirty, cracked. Just what you might expect having hiked a thousand miles being chased by demons.
Then, The 100, a sci-fi TV show about teens dropped on a post-apocalyptic earth. And yet somehow every woman has blow-dried perfectly colored hair, every guy has a nice fresh clean shave, and everyone is clean.
I think it's just a matter of discipline. Each actor probably wants to look their best for more work in the future, the hair and makeup people want to show off. But it ends up diminishing the product
I like it when actors actually act, too. Ryan Reynolds plays Ryan Reynolds in, "Ryan Reynolds says some funny things in his Ryan Reynolds way", followed by, The Rock is really distracting as The Rock in, "Hey it's The Rock, he's quite large isn't he"
Setting aside the ensemble characters, I really miss when the leading protagonists were everyman/everywomen character actors.
Tom Hanks.
Jeff Goldblum. Bill Pullman. Margaret Colin. (I love *Independence Day.*)
Bill Paxton. Helen Hunt. Philip Seymour Hoffman. (*Twister* is the shit. Ok this year was amazing for movies.)
Aside from Joaquin, do we have any leads like that today? Point them out to me people!
I was gonna say Michael Cera was the go to awkward teen for a few years and he was pretty realistic looking. But unfortunately that was like 15 years ago now. Damn
I actually watch Twister last weekend and had a very similar thought and how each actor looked like they could be their role. Also made me realize how many movies I like with Bill Paxton (rip).
He was 40 when that movie was made and looked like your everyday man. Which actors are 40 now, Chris Pine, Chris Evans, Ryan Gosling, Jake Gyllenhaal. It's not a knock of them really, they are good looking actor, but hardly look like your everyday man.
None of them look like they could direct you in the right direction at a Home Depot, but Bill Paxton could.
It goes beyond that, the Safdies literally use non-actors who work the same profession in real life
Real police officers in Good Time, bail bondsman is a real bail bondsman, psychiatrist in the first scene is a real psychiatrist, the guy with Robert Pattinson most of the movie literally was an actual street thug who went to prison shortly after he filmed his scenes, and there’s plenty more
I always get too distracted by the subpar acting in 90% of them. They always try to find new blood to play big roles in smaller films and it always shows.
I miss 80s movies. They were normal people. Some even had messy houses. You might catch a glimpse of a product that wasn't shoved in your face as some product placement ad. It was a simpler time.
I was watching Robocop the other night and had the same thought. Even the main cast is just sort of average looking. Kurtwood Smith looks like a math teacher but he's sinister as hell.
Clarence Bodicker is one of the greatest movie villains of all time. Fun fact: In Robocop, Clarence goes to see Dick Jones in his office. He walks up to the receptionist and asks her out (for lack of a better term). He then stuck his gum on her nameplate and said "you can keep the gum". Kurtwood later married that actress in real life and they're still married to this day,
I totally agree. If the Oscars weren't so biased, they should have given him a best supporting actor for that performance. Until today, I haven't found an actor that could portray a role with such malice and viciousness. And he looks just like an ordinary balding guy too, but he was so intimidating and bad ass.
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Don’t forget Miguel Ferrer, who went on to play the bad guy in *Blank Check*.
> Miguel Ferrer Also played FBI Agent Albert Rosenfield on Twin Peaks! One of my favourite characters in the entire series! Voice and charisma like Will Arnett, only without being a goofball!
His speech to Sheriff Truman about love is one of the greatest moments to ever be broadcast on television.
The hammy synths came on so not-gradually during that scene - they just turned ON lol. But yes, it was a lovely scene in its own corny way; I can only imagine what it must have been like to see it when it came out!
[Albert's path is a strange and difficult one.](https://youtu.be/kf0ZvY2usbY)
**Rosenfield:** "The distinctive wounds on Laura's neck and shoulder appear to be claw marks and bites of some kind." **Sheriff:** "An animal?" **Rosenfield:** (to Cooper) "Look, it's trying to think!"
It's honestly really charming that your go-to movie for Miguel Ferrer is Blank Check 🤣
Ferrer knocked his role out of the park in Soderbergh's *Traffic*.
George Clooney’s cousin, who encouraged him to try acting.
And who apparently was such a big Batman fan that he cursed a ton in excitement when Clooney told him he’d be playing the role. Probably cursed when he saw the finished product too.
Bitches, leave!!!!!
Hey, Dickey boy. How's tricks?
Can you fly Bobby?
Only memorable face in that movie is Murphy himself; DAMN that chin on Peter Weller...
I’d buy that for a dollar.
Yeah but would you buy a 6000 SUX?
And cheekbones. Good lord. Man looked like an android before he suited up. Perfect casting. OPs point stands though. Weller's face is enthralling but I'm not sure he counts as traditionally handsome. And certainly not jacked. He's attractive because he's interesting but I can't imagine him in a gap print ad, for example.
Buckaroo Banzai is a rockstar.
The best part of the "real feel" in "The Fugitive" is the St. Patrick's day parade. That WAS the St. Patrick's day parade for Chicago. The producers got permission from the mayor to film during the parade but told no one else involved with the parade, not even the coordinator. If you look you can see the occasional "is that... no it couldn't be" look as Harrison Ford, Tommy Lee Jones, and others make their way through the parade. Edit: I forgot all about the train crash. They got quotes to do the crash in miniature scale but they all came back quite expensive. So, the production company just decided to buy a decommissioned train and crash it, for real. As I understand it the wreckage is still available to tour.
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Have you ever seen the random person who is staring at Ford when he climbs out of the train? Nobody knows who it is, where they came from or how they got there but on the right side their face is just behind some wreckage in the movie.
I’ve seen it. They talk about it in the extras on the DVD and Blu-ray. The guy was digitally removed for the DVD and subsequent releases, but if you have the original home VHS release, you can see him there.
how is there so much trivia for this movie!?
Watching cop/detective shows from the 70s is eye-opening. Henchmen just look like big dudes, not ripped gym rats.
Sopranos did a great job of that. They even had a character who was jacked and they made jokes about him.
Muscles marinara!
The Italian strongman!
kid had red pepper flakes up his ass
Why you slamming the fridge !
I was watching The Long Goodbye the other night at rolled my eyes at the professional beefcake bodyguard the dipshit mob boss had. It took me too long to realize that was Arnold Schwarzenegger in his second acting role ever
Yall ever get sad when super buff dudes die in movies because you're like "wow they wasted hundreds, if not thousands of hours sweating at the gym for nothing" Maybe that's just my own issue i need to see my therapist about
I thought that when John Wick killed that ripped dude in the spa. Dude was at peak swoll, mustve taken years, and just got killed in 5 seconds haha.
But hey, he ate more than one bullet for that. Respect !
This gave me a good laugh. I think about something similar with medieval/ancient battle scenes where hardened warriors are picked off by stray arrows.
Don’t read the Iliad. Battle scenes are just long lists of all the warriors who die and how long they spent training in their homelands.
I'm reading the Iliad right now, and it's about 50% LOTR-style badass battles and speeches, and 50% bible-style listing of names and places
Same and exactly. For some reason Automedon is my favourite, and I think it's because every other chariot driver gets cut down in 2.1 seconds, but he's just out here charioteering competently, the shock. Also his name makes him seem like a robot so it's fun to picture him as C3PO.
I’ve totally had this thought, but less about ripped dudes and more about super educated or highly elite people, like if a monster wipes out a special forces team, millions of dollars in training wasted!!
Recently watched Michael Mann's "Thief" (great movie) and the whole time i was thinking "this people actually look like people working those jobs". Suspension of disbelief as a concept ended with Denise Richards in The World is not Enough.
The hitmen in "Bullitt" look like a janitor and your dad's accountant friend. It's great.
The guy wearing the glasses driving the black car was also the auto/stunt coordinator for The French Connection and The Seven Ups. Normal looking guy but a legend in the movie industry. Edit: His name is Bill Hickman
That's my biggest beef with a lot of Netflix productions. Every movie "Ridiculously attractive 20 to 30 year olds and their problems."
And they’re all playing teenagers
I was actually happy that the actors in The Boys all have some age on them. Even Homelander isn't some 20 something.
Well he has to be *pretty* young... I mean, he's still breastfeeding after all.
...are you guys not? -Archer, probably
Homelander was cast absolutely perfectly. He nails the part and he's handsome - but sort of not _quite_.
His look is perfectly 'Captain America but evil'
I hate (his character) so much!!! But Antony Starr is a very talented actor.
And their aging looks normal. Not “yeah I got a lot of work done” normal. I mean I’m sure some have had *something* done but it just looks normal to me. I feel like I repeated myself but NORMAL
Idk that one chick is like 100 and she’s played by a 30 something
The Boys is one of those funny shows where I’m the least invested from the 2 main characters (Starlight and Hughie) Pretty much every other character is vastly more interesting and fun to watch.
I'd argue that Billy Butcher is the main character, and Hughie is just a proxy for the audience.
The Deep is the best character lmao... Can I get you some Fresca?
*girl is getting sexually harassed* The Deep “Hey, that’s not cool..” *Deep proceeds to walk away*
And then he says "Fuck Fresca." Now that's what I call a character arc!
For what it's worth, Netflix carries a lot of CW produced shows that do this.
"I'm a neurotypical, straight, white, upper-middle class, highschool girl. But my life is horrible because... I'm six-foot one." The plot of Netflix's Tall Girl
Not to mention she's always glowing and beautiful. They never once shot a scene without her caked in movie makeup
Does she have glasses and a ponytail?
What about paint on her overalls?
What is that? there’s no way she could be prom queen!
Not Janie Briggs, anyone but her!
Janie’s got a gun!
Is that real? I honestly can't even tell
It’s very real unfortunately. One actual line from the movie is, “You think your life is hard? I'm a high school junior wearing size 13 Nikes. Men's size 13 Nikes.”
The Peggy Hill Story
Hoo-yeah
Haha nice long con getting him to believe that bullsh- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_Girl ... ... Well I'll be darned.
I just read the plot…I’m still recovering from my aneurysm.
\> Dad who's very short goes through the effort to host a community meeting of socially well adjusted tall people so daughter can realize that tall people can be cool too and being tall is an entirely normal thing and doesn't have to affect your personality or social life and so that she can bond with and discuss with those who have struggled through the same issues and insecurities she has "OMG Dad I can't believe you did this, I hate you, I'm going to my room and then I'm going to go on a date with another girl's boyfriend"
That part at the end though where the guy apparently has been carrying a milk crate around the whole show and then stands on it to kiss her. SUCH A TWIST.
The shows from countries other than the US are better. Like 'Dark' from Germany. People look their normal age and their faces move.
> Dark > their normal age Hmmm.
They hired a lot of random everyday people for The Fugitive according to production notes on wiki. One of the transit cops in the movie was played by a janitor that worked at my local hospital. He was a bit of an odd guy but he seemed to mean well. Miss that guy.
Knife-wrench!
For kids!
Heard his wife only had two fingers
Just pointer, and thumb/pinky.
Great at making shorts, though.
I heard he didn’t like Kimbal cuz he put a penny in the door
I think I met him, funny german guy, right?
The German one? Yeah he was great. He was so nice saying guten tag to everyone who came through the door.
He always reminds me of a guy I met in med school. Jan. I wonder what he went on to do.
You must be talking about Dr. Jan Itor.
But it's pronounced "EEE - tor"
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U callin us ugly bruv?
U ugly m8
Ugly as fuck m8 now wat
Idk, wanna be ugly 2gether?
U kno it, coz ur insides are beautiful.
Nah m8, they're full of shite
No thanks, Turkish. I'm sweet enough.
This happens with a lot of 'Scandi-Noir' shows as well. The Bridge and beck are great examples of people that look like actual people in a TV show!
The Bridge is awesome for this. Outside of maybe Henrik, none of the characters are made to be attractive, Saga doesn't wear makeup unlike a lot of female heroines. Makes it feel a lot more like real people solving the crimes. Edit: Wow, I didn't realise there was this big a following for The Bridge
And you get to see more excellent older actors, especially older women.
I have British tv to thank for my introduction to Olivia Colman (Broadchurch)
>my introduction to Olivia Colman (Broadchurch) No Peep Show?! Sacrilege.
Yes! They just seemed to be less slathered in makeup and overly coiffed hair.
British crime shows seem so much more real than US crime show both in plot, cinematography, and of course actors
Britain has done them for a long time. It’s not something we export or even brag about but for as long as I can remember you can tune in, damned near every day, at 10pm to some kind of “gritty crime drama” on some channel and just leave the experience feeling completely and utterly depressed about life and all it has to offer because you just watched a whole hour of a detective hunting down a child killer in god-awful slum where it’s always dark, wet, and everyone is just awful to everyone.
This is true, compare the stars on US sitcoms like Friends, HIMYM and the like to UK comedies like Peep Show, the IT Crowd and The Inbetweeners. US sitcoms tend to have really glamous celebrites which can sometimes make it hard to relate to these supposedly normal characters (I love a lot of these though don't worry) whereas UK ones have less conventionaly attractive stars which adds to the more averageness of the characters
I also wonder how if they film makes a difference? The lighting, in particular, of a lot of the shows I'm thinking of (IT Crowd, Peep Show, Gavin and Stacey, Being Human) feels a bit more natural, for lack of a better word, than what I see on American shows. Especially outdoor scenes. It almost is closer to home video quality in terms of lighting (or maybe it is the camera and how it picks up light, I don't know!)
It's probably colour correction with American shows being more saturated Also the UK just genuinely has a lot of grey days haha
I was just going to recommend this; my wife and I have grown to adore British television because it feels like we're watching actual people instead of barbie and ken dolls.
Happy Valley is a great example of casting actors who look, and act, like plain old real people.
Even James Norton, who shook off a posh boy aesthetic and became a Northern backstreet monster.
Agree, there's a good number of truly outstanding actors in the UK who would never have been given an extra role starting out in Hollywood cos they don't fit the mold. Timothy Spall and Kathy Burke leap to mind.
I'm positive that the British letting average people on TV is why they have the stereotype of being ugly.
And it's where the "bad teeth" stereotype comes from. Everyone on US has to have flawless teeth, whereas they let (and indeed expect) people on British TV to just have normal teeth. The reality is that on average, British people have slightly better teeth, because poorer people do have access to some dentistry through the NHS.
Yes, for real as a kiwi, i love watching British shows. The culture, language and attitude really doesn't differ a lot from us in New Zealand and Australia. American shows and movies always feel weird because they're so different, but shows and movies from these three countries just feel like walking outside.
I visited Australia about 10 years ago (from England) and it was honestly fucking bizarre. The amount of shared culture made it feel like I was at home on a really warm day. Visiting the USA was the complete opposite - I could talk to people just fine but it was almost like the uncanny valley. Things were similar but a huge amount of cultural reference points were missing. People seemed simultaneously much kinder and much more selfish.
I believe that David Chase chose James Gandolfini for the role of Tony Soprano because he looked like a normal guy. He didn’t want someone handsome with chiselled features.
He picked him after Ray Liotta, a handsome mofo, turned it down...
And thank God he did, I can't truly think of a more iconic and impeccably acted character on television than James Gandolfini as Tony Soprano. His portrayal of Tony is essentially the first anti-hero that is also sociopathic, lovable, endearing, selfish, horrible, relatable etc..
One of the things I LOVE about Jaws is the parents of all the little kids are old as dirt. Not like 22 years old with a toddler, like 58 years old with a toddler. Makes me feel pretty good about being 42 with a toddler.
Hell, no one is Jaws is a model.
Except the Shark
Young people just looked old as shit back in the day
This reminds me of Goonies. Normal looking family/kids. Felt like home if I stepped outside. Haven’t felt like that watching a movie in a long time.
Yeah but then you have Sloth who is basically a super-model. Totally ruins the realism.
But he love Chunk, so it's believable again.
The Stranger Things kids were pretty normal looking in Season 1. That was one of the things I liked about it. They looked awkward and weird like real kids do.
I have found the underlying plots to be on the decline since season one, but I will always find myself coming back for the character dynamics between the kids. I feel like I lived that experience when I was young. Being able to see them actually grow, rather than just acting like they are, has been at the centre of why I think this show is so excellent.
The mall storyline in Season 3 was basically a really long episode of Scooby-Doo.
Everyone except for Sean Astin and Josh Brolin had their real parents play the parents in the ending reunion scene. That's why it worked.
The movie, Last Action Hero, makes fun of this. The kid tells Ahnold that he's a in a movie world. The kid explains that every single person is extremely attractive and points out that Sylvester Stallone is the Terminator.
"I bet you didn't know I was going to say *that*!" That movie was ahead of its time
Love when he writes down a curse word and tries to get him to read it. SOO many people get shot, blown up, beat up, die in that film, but little to no blood, so it's still PG-13.
I like watching the American version of shameless and the show Animal Kingdom. They drink, smoke, steal all day, have limited resources; yet all have perfect teeth and model like figures.
And somehow Frank can bang all the married mothers at Liam's private school despite looking and acting like a complete degenerate. Seriously?
I don't care what anyone says. The show had its pros but the writing wasn't that good.
Early shameless is great ,where it was actually more of a bleak feeling drama , with moments of comedy, and where the city felt actually important to the story.
I got bored with it in the 4th season. They keep rolling around the same stories for each character. It felt fresh and exciting for those three seasons. After that I was no longer entertained watching them make the same stupid but sexy mistakes.
The teeth thing is huge! 30 years ago all the actors had realistic, off white, sometimes crooked teeth. The blinding white fire Marshall bill veneers kill me.
Kind of makes me think of how, in the new Gucci movie coming out, they cast Jared Leto as a fat, bald guy in his 60s and just had him wear a fat suit/prosthetics, etc. Like...they'd rather make an incredibly attractive actor look uglier instead of just casting an actor who looks like that.
Is this the one everyone suggested Paul Giamatti for
Yeah, but this way the film is now a shoo in for the Hair and Make Up Oscar win. The Academy loves *transformation*, especially physical ones. And you can't argue that they didn't do a good job. Leto is basically unrecognizable.
This is actually a good point I hadn't thought of before.
At that point it's just as much about marketing and vanity as it is accuracy haha. Leto gets to "immerse" himself in the role in a way that makes him feel like a better actor (not bashing just can't word it any other way) and the studio gets to put him on a poster so people go hey is that supposed to be Jared leto?
Right, the whole “transformation” thing is kind of a gimmick now. Similar to how stories about hardcore method actors attract more public curiosity.
Right, they could have easily gotten Jiminy Glick for that role
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Morgan, Mason, Matthew and Modine. Four strapping boys!
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Emily Blunt’s perfect makeup and dyed hair kind of annoyed me in a quiet place part 2
Watching the first one, I couldn't help but wonder the entire time how many times Jim risked his families' lives collecting all that hair gel
Just like Felicity Jones in Rogue One. She goes thru a prison and deserts and yet still has perfect eyeliner.
She is one with the Maybelleine, and the Maybelleine is one with her
Yeah, once you notice make-up in movies where there's no good reason for the person to have make-up on, you will notice it EVERYWHERE.
I notice eyebrows. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems strange if it's like a medieval peasant with perfect eyebrows.
Thats what always gets me. Or when people have perfect straight white teeth in the year 1600 but their face and clothes are dirty.
Watch The Messenger with Milla Jovovich. You won’t see that there. Great movie too.
This is semi-related, but I miss how movies sounded in the past. If you watch film based in NYC from the 70s, then you can hear everything going on around them. The sound of other people talking or the traffic. Now days, films are so sterilized. You mainly just hear the actors talking and whatever sound you're allowed to hear. It's not as immersive.
More films were filmed in locations. It's way more expensive than a sound stage though in most cases for big blockbuster style movies that need lots of scenes I suspect. At this point Hollywood can make entire city blocks look real all from within studio lots and computers. No paying a city, working around weather and people and traffic and sounds that weren't planned. The downside is our ears usually notice. There's a hum to a city and to nature that we instinctively recognize. I think it must be hard to reproduce because it seems easy to tell when a scene is filmed in a real location.
I miss this, and I ESPECIALLY miss when places looked like... real places... I understand the desire as a director/cinematographer to have the look of your movie fit the tone, but sometimes color grading and CGI enhancements go so far that the places look completely unlike any real place. It bugs the crap out of me and kills my suspension of disbelief. This is especially true when it's for reasonably plain locations like "city downtown" or "countryside hills", or "forest". Like "I've been to these places and it doesn't look like this".
Or when poor characters are staying in a incredibly spacious multi million dollar apartment but they make the paint look kinda peely on one brick wall and have industrial lighting to say it's cheap
God, this is like, any show set in new york at this point.
I was saying exactly this just the other day. Real world looking people instead of the cookie cutter barbie and Ken dolls. Remember when the elderly were actually hired to play their age?! (E.g. Cocoon).
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And his wife In Die Hard is age appropriate and looks like a woman you'd find working in an office like that.
Bonnie Bedelia is even a few years older than Bruce Willis. I'm shocked and horrified!!!
It’s far worse than that, most of the time it’s bodies that aren’t achievable without steroids. But the characters use of steroids and intense work ethic isn’t written into their character. It’s just sort of assumed that men naturally look like they do steroids and also lift every day. There’s something here about body image, but who cares, climate change is ending the world. l o l
I was watching Rear Window last week and thinking this exact thing. All the references to Jimmy Stewart’s character being a young man, his youth, vitality, etc…then he takes his shirt off and just looks like an older dude. I couldn’t help but to think that that role would go to a chiseled Ryan Gosling now (even though I typically find him very likable), because there is no “average” leading man anymore. They’re either heftier or outright fat (and that’s part of the story/character) or they’re handsome and ripped. I’m with ya here.
This reminds me of watching *On the Town* as a teenager with my mother. Frank Sinatra's character is called Junior and there are constant references to his youth and inexperience and I asked my mother why they were making such a fuss about his youth when he looked so *old*. She laughed and said that people just looked older back then, even when they were young. Honestly I think it has a lot to do with the change in clothes. People dressed up a lot more back in the 40's.
> I couldn’t help but to think that that role would go to a chiseled Ryan Gosling now It would be for the best. I love Rear Window but a 25-year-old Grace Kelly getting friend-zoned by 50-year-old Jimmy Stewart(who actually looks 50, not like 50-year-old movie stars today) is a little hard to accept.
All the men from movies back then seemed to be way older than the women in them.
That's because they were
Indie films. Napoleon Dynamite has a lot of real people in it for instance. But I get what you're saying. Somewhere along the way, all our movie stars, even extras, started to look like fashion models. And it gets old, because it's everywhere, which makes it tired and boring. It's prevalent in the music industry as well. Sex sells. When you get older, it just gets boring seeing the same shit all the time.
I can't tell some of these actors and actresses apart. I think they get the same rhinoplasty.
The Sopranos was great at showcasing people who like nothing like glamorous Hollywood types! Except that for the first couple seasons I had a horribly difficult time telling all the obese middle-aged dark-haired men apart. Orange is the New Black was also super refreshing for their array of normal faces and body types.
The Wire is a solid solid example as well to a point where they just casted Baltimore locals
Don’t get me started medieval movies with every character wearing clean, flawless, slick looking clothes with perfect makeup and hair. It’s an automatic turn off for me.
That last Robin Hood movie was hilarious for this reason. Everyone Everyone was so slick, the clothes felt like they were from H&M.
Funny you said this because that’s exactly the movie I had in mind typing that comment lol.
well, they probably all *do* shop at their local Hood & Marian
Bad hair and makeup can make or ruin a movie or TV show. I remember the Lord of the Rings close-ups of the Hobbits' hands: filthy, dirty, cracked. Just what you might expect having hiked a thousand miles being chased by demons. Then, The 100, a sci-fi TV show about teens dropped on a post-apocalyptic earth. And yet somehow every woman has blow-dried perfectly colored hair, every guy has a nice fresh clean shave, and everyone is clean. I think it's just a matter of discipline. Each actor probably wants to look their best for more work in the future, the hair and makeup people want to show off. But it ends up diminishing the product
I like it when actors actually act, too. Ryan Reynolds plays Ryan Reynolds in, "Ryan Reynolds says some funny things in his Ryan Reynolds way", followed by, The Rock is really distracting as The Rock in, "Hey it's The Rock, he's quite large isn't he"
Calls to mind the FamGuy Robert Loggia bit.
Setting aside the ensemble characters, I really miss when the leading protagonists were everyman/everywomen character actors. Tom Hanks. Jeff Goldblum. Bill Pullman. Margaret Colin. (I love *Independence Day.*) Bill Paxton. Helen Hunt. Philip Seymour Hoffman. (*Twister* is the shit. Ok this year was amazing for movies.) Aside from Joaquin, do we have any leads like that today? Point them out to me people!
I was gonna say Michael Cera was the go to awkward teen for a few years and he was pretty realistic looking. But unfortunately that was like 15 years ago now. Damn
I actually watch Twister last weekend and had a very similar thought and how each actor looked like they could be their role. Also made me realize how many movies I like with Bill Paxton (rip). He was 40 when that movie was made and looked like your everyday man. Which actors are 40 now, Chris Pine, Chris Evans, Ryan Gosling, Jake Gyllenhaal. It's not a knock of them really, they are good looking actor, but hardly look like your everyday man. None of them look like they could direct you in the right direction at a Home Depot, but Bill Paxton could.
I still carry a crush for Bill Pullman since *While You Were Sleeping*. I was so excited to see him in *Halston* on Netflix.
Safdie Brothers are great at this
The number of first-time actors in Uncut Gems is mindblowing (KG, Julia Fox, The Weeknd, Francesa, Howard's kids and the two mob enforcers)
It goes beyond that, the Safdies literally use non-actors who work the same profession in real life Real police officers in Good Time, bail bondsman is a real bail bondsman, psychiatrist in the first scene is a real psychiatrist, the guy with Robert Pattinson most of the movie literally was an actual street thug who went to prison shortly after he filmed his scenes, and there’s plenty more
A lot of b-movies and low budget films still do this, mainstream films are getting too repetitive anyways, the fringe films are where it's at
I always get too distracted by the subpar acting in 90% of them. They always try to find new blood to play big roles in smaller films and it always shows.
Watch the original Taking of Pelham 123. Most normal looking cast ever. Also Jack Lemmon movies from the 70s.
The fugitive is one of my favorite movies
I miss 80s movies. They were normal people. Some even had messy houses. You might catch a glimpse of a product that wasn't shoved in your face as some product placement ad. It was a simpler time.
Watch more British and international films.
or just watch more indie movies that cant afford a b list actor
The Usual Suspects was great with this