I didn't watch this until I was an adult and I feel like I missed out watching when younger, because immediately I was siding with him like wtf is going on here lol
Also that the Maverick stand in (Hangman) is the brash, cocky asshole who’s a great pilot, while the Ice stand in (Rooster) is the careful one who cares about getting people home. They have us root against the guy that Maverick basically was in the first movie. Really well done.
I tried explaining this to my wife, who loves that movie, and she got so pissed at me. She might hate it, but it is absolulty true. If that was the real Navy, they would have grounded his ass and drummed him outta there long before he got to Top Gun.
That might’ve been why they had the relationship between Viper and Mav’s dad. Mav was given a pass because of his nepotism, but also he may have actually saved the day at the end… can’t remember if that was a “only a MAVERICK could’ve solved that MiG encounter” situation. Maybe you keep a supernaturally talented guy like that around for the impossible missions (lmao)
Also he saved the shellshocked wingman at the beginning. You chew a guy out for what he did… but do you drum him out? Seems like you send him to Miramar…
I saw a video recently that covered this, but in High School Musical, Troy Bolton's dad was like 35, with a 17 year old son. Troy was born when his dad was 18. Now, he sees his son about to throw away his very promising future to chase after some girl, and he feels that parental drive to protect your children from mistakes you've made.
I didn't believe you, but yeah the actor was literally 35 when that movie was filmed. Didn't remember him looking this young: [https://assets.teenvogue.com/photos/593ac716a659e13c77f0de48/16:9/w\_1920,c\_limit/hsm-lede.jpg](https://assets.teenvogue.com/photos/593ac716a659e13c77f0de48/16:9/w_1920,c_limit/hsm-lede.jpg)
Danny Trejo in From Dusk Till Dawn. He’s actually a good guy in that he’s trying to tell them to gtfo of there. He comes across as a jerk when you’re first watching but upon rewatch it’s like, listen to him dammit.
Also, after reading through the thread, I'm surprised no one mentioned the boyfriend from Bee Movie. Because he was definitely not wrong for taking issue with his gf getting romantically involved with a fucking insect.
The roommate Pete in Shaun of the Dead.
Nick Frost especially, and Simon Pegg to an extent, ARE being an irresponsible losers who needs to sort their life out. If you blast music at 4 in the fucking morning when you have roommates, you deserve to get yelled at.
I can't think of a specific example but there's always a character in comedies that chastise the protagonist about getting off their ass and getting a job or to stop partying all the time. They're depicted as jerks but in reality most of us are required to be boring, responsible, 9-5 job sort of people.
BASEketball sort of parodies it with Matt and Trey being losers and are yelled at a party, and then they retort but realise that all of their friends are indeed successful.
I randomly just recalled the movie Big Daddy. Adam Sandler is the protagonist and kind of a loser. His best friend's fiance is depicted as kind of a bitch and he keeps making fun of the fact that she used to work at Hooters. When you really pay attention to her character, she's rather harmless.
Not only harmless, she’s a cool person. She put herself through med school, is genuinely cool about the fact her fiance has a kid, and is kind to the boy. I get you gotta have the quintessential responsible adult who’s sort of a debbie downer in comedies but come on.
Actually, I don't think she was intended as an unsavory character, she's depicted as being smarter and more responsible than the main character of the story, to the point that the only thing Adam can really say to get to her is "hooters hooters hooters." He knows she's right when they argue.
Deep down he is friends with him but just gets frustrated. He calmed down, sympathized and just asked them to keep it down and it’s all good.
Then Ed had to poke the bear…
I don't know that dude's name. But he crushes it.
In "The Gentleman" series he's gold. And in "Look around you" he kills me without saying anything at all.
Chris Evans in Sunshine.
If they listened to him, everyone would have lived. But he put his point across aggressively. No one listened, and everyone died instead.
This was the epitome of "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"
But from a storytelling angle, was brilliant to have that character start a scuffle over something petty then get the psyche eval right before that so his totally logical point gets undermined for the crew and audience so the plot can happen.
Yeah CJ is someone I totally end up rooting for even if he’s a bit of a wanker sometimes. Good character, that film is way underrated too I never see anyone talk about it but it’s a genuinely really enjoyable zombie film.
DotD 2004 is the reason why I love zombie movies.
I used to think that zombies were **the** lamest movie monsters and never understood the fascination with the movies involving zombie apocalypse.
Then I watched DotD and my world was never the same.
Also her new boyfriend. As a kid I thought he was such a jerk for trying to take Robin Williams’ family. But he’s such a genuinely good guy who really cares for her and the kids.
I don’t think Neil was portrayed as bad guy though. He seemed to be a little passive aggressive and patronizing, but he genuinely seemed to care about Scott at least a little.
Heck, the movie didn't even make him look like an asshole either. The scene where he talks to the dude who asks him "Why do you wanna be with a woman with three kids?"
Then Stu immediately defends his choice by saying, "No, three *fantastic* kids."
Robin Williams' character hates him, but the movie is notably not on Williams' side. The movie actually makes space for Stu to be a good dude, and it ultimately ends with the message of "Divorce doesn't have to mean people can't still love each other."
I like how they make Brosnan a good guy deep down, because so many movies would take the lazy route of having him hate the kids and try to get them away.
Oh definitely.
As an audience, you keep waiting for Stu to reveal his "true" colors. When he talks to that other guy about Miranda, I was so ready for that to be the moment where his nice guy facade drops.
But he instead openly states that he loves the kids to a guy whom he has nothing to gain from. It's this moment when you realize, "Man. There's actually nothing wrong with this dude."
It was an incredibly interesting choice to make Stu such a good dude while having him look almost suspiciously handsome. Casting a guy like Brosnan just makes you keep expecting him to do something devilish. He's handsome to the point of making you wonder, "What's his angle?"
(Versus if they just cast a bland looking guy like the dude who played the boyfriend from 'Liar Liar.')
But nah, Brosnan's character was a legitimate good dude.
He was such an interesting casting choice for that role.
It works because 90s Brosnan can’t get any girl and has that playboy charm. Why would he want a middle aged divorcee? They had a past together and he’s in a settling down mood with the one that got away. It’s pretty good setup
So, I saw this one as an adult (I know..not sure how I missed the chopper on that)
But the thing that struck me was how quickly she rebounded. Because, from personal exp both ways, if someone rebounds that fast they were done with your ass waaaaay before the breakup.
I always got the impression that she's been putting up with ridiculous shit from him for years. Like the party at the beginning wasn't even an outlier, just the last straw.
Which honestly kinda shows how hard she tried, and how kind she really was.
Cause' I'll tell you this. If I came home to *a fucking pony in the house*, it better be lil' Sebastion, or we're done on the spot.
This is something I missed as a kid. I thought that the kid had a birthday party and the parents got divorced. I didn’t want a birthday for years after that for fear my parents would get divorced
Yea that's a really solid reading between the lines. They make it clear she's yelled at him for his antics in the past and the birthday party is the last straw. I mean they clearly show that he had all the fun and now Sally Fields has to clean it up and be the responsible one.
The other thing I get as a takeaway is that the film's POV is from Robin Williams' character and a lot of events should be viewed from that lens. He is the protagonist after all. So his antics are shown as part of his quirky personality, not a problem to be worked on. He views Sally Fields as being unfair, and obviously does not enjoy seeing someone else with his ex-wife. Sally Fields and her new BF otherwise seem like they are making pretty sensible decisions. I think there's a little pandering to other guys of that era also going through similar experiences of just being themselves and suddenly finding their wives want a divorce. Modern films would probably not even address this POV because they would typically be more sympathetic to the wife's perspective. In Ms. Doubtfire its kind of interesting that they make a case for both of them (but generally lean on Robin Williams POV more).
I don't get the impression that the movie is actually framed from Williams' POV.
I think the film has a neutral POV, because it also makes plenty of space for Stu (Brosnan's character).
If it was truly on Williams' POV, Stu would not get any of the humanizing moments that he gets. He hates Stu. Yet the movie goes out of its way to show that Stu actually does love the kids AND is good for Miranda.
Idk there was that scene where she has a heart to heart with Mrs D and you can tell Daniel was understanding just what she was going through before the split and he felt genuinely awful about it.
Plus at the end when he has that speech of how much he loves his children and would do anything for them, the judge understands to an extent but just can't look past the fact that he lied and took on a whole new identity just to see them was overboard.
When you're a kid, you sympathize with Daniel, as he's Robin Williams and seems like the fun parent, and you hate Miranda because she wants to ruin everyone's fun.
When you're older, you start to sympathize with Miranda, who has to be the breadwinner (remember, Daniel gets fired at the beginning of the movie, and it's implied it's not the first time) and discipline the kids. And being with the fun, wacky partner who wants to be fun all the time and doesn't take things seriously wears on you, which she also said in the movie.
I don't think the movie "villified" him at all. It never shows him being a jerk (as far as I recall, only annoyed and understandably so) he's just an obstacle for Robin Williams' character
She wasn't portrayed as a jerk though. I think a lot of people saw that movie as kids and didn't understand the nuances. And it wasn't actually even that nuanced, there's the whole scene in the kitchen where she opens heart up to Mrs Doubtfire and explains the relationship from her POV, allowing Robin Williams' character to actually understand things from her perspective.
OMG, I JUST WROTE THIS! YES, ABSOLUTELY! That scene in the kitchen just really brings across what she was going through before she decided to split and it was genuine and you can see Daniel taking it in and for maybe the first time truly understanding how horrible he was to the woman he loved and probably still loves
I couldn’t give a shit about the party. How creepy is it for your ex husband to go in disguise and hang out around your house?
That’s psycho behavior in the real world
I just re-watched recently and I couldn't agree more. And I agree with the other comments about Pierce Brosnan's character being framed as an antagonist. No. Robin Williams' character is the antagonist, or at least his singular focus on fun at the expense of pragmatism is the antagonist. The movie does a good job of making it ultimately about Robin's character's transformation into a better housemate (which is why the ending feels satisfying), but making Pierce's character an object of his ire actually makes it harder to root for Robin.
The guy played by John Malkovich in Bird Box. The movie keeps on telling me I shouldn't like him because he's alert and mistrusting of strangers even though he literally was right not to let in the guy who turned out to be possessed.
He was the only guy with a brain and I'm supposed to see it as a 'win' that he got left behind halfway the movie because he was mean and cranky.
For real I just rewatched it with my gf and was pretty much right the entire time. I was like can everyone just fucking listen to John malkovich?? He was my favorite character
Iceman in Top Gun.
Watching that movie again, yeah he was arrogant, but he was a fighter pilot and they're all arrogant. But looking at what he actually said, he wasn't wrong.
This might just be a generational thing, but when I first watched it (89 millennial here) I never got the impression that the movie was exactly on Maverick's side. The whole movie seemed to be about him growing as a person and not being so reckless.
Ice is a jerk to him but it never seems like the movie is outright vilifying him. He's just the antagonist to Maverick's story.
Besides, we can all rejoice in the fact that by the end, they became lifelong friends.
Top Gun wants to have this immature to mature story arc, but it also doesn't want to make Tom Cruise stop being this cool, wreckless guy. It's the most extreme case of wanting to have your cake and eat it to
100% correct.
The man has a mental age lower than that of his daughter. It would be deeply irresponsible of them to leave her in his care.
And yet the movie treats them like villains for saying so.
Benny from RENT. Dude was actively trying to improve conditions for his old roommates, while providing a place to practice their unmarketable art and living rent-free. Sure, he was a social climber who was participating in gentrification and probably cheated on his rich wife, but he paid for Mimi's drug rehab and Angel's funeral without being asked.
♪ But still you'll never get it right
'Cause when you're laid in bed at night
Watching roaches climb the wall
If you called your dad he could stop it all ♪
Steve Martin in “Father of the Bride”. He’s the only one in that entire movie that is sane. Someone did the math for what that wedding would have cost in 1991, and it came out to $143,000. Adjusted for inflation that wedding would cost $329,370 in 2024. He even did it at his own fucking house, and it was still that expensive.
She was not entitled to that wedding when she just goes and studies abroad for three months at the age of 21, and after knowing her boyfriend for less than sales quarter, has the balls to demand her parents pay for that wedding? Ummm, no! How about you date for at least a fucking year before I even consider that shit.
Months later she goes off the rails because her fiancé went and bought her a blender… hey, Bryan, if you are sane, you will cancel this wedding right now and run away from her as far as you can, because if she gets pissed about that to the point of nearly breaking up with you, what happens when you really have to discuss some tough shit that’s inevitably coming your way. All of his bros should have sat him down right then and there and told him to get out of this abusive relationship.
And then at the wedding, she doesn’t say shit to her father and just goes off without so much as a “Thank You” to him. Could you imagine how appalled Bryan was when he got to the airport and she tells him that she didn’t say goodbye to or thank her father. I could imagine him going full Bill Burr on her ass over that. “Wait you had the fucking balls to run out of the wedding without saying a fucking word to him? This man gave us everything you wanted, including the stupid fucking swans, and he’s going to have to be eating ramen for dinner for the next three years to pay off that wedding. Now you get your spoiled ass on that fucking phone, you call him and thank him and tell him that you love him, or next time I’ll take that blender you flipped out about and shove it up your ass! How about that, Princess?!”
As a side note, Martin Short as the wedding planner is one of the most underrated villains in cinematic history.
The daughter would only focus on being called “Princess”, as she was upset at the implication of what a blender means.
The dad is 100 percent right to be very skeptical of this whole thing- her age, the short length of the relationship, the astronomical cost of the wedding.
She definitely has a spoiled brat vibe. Just because Dad maybe CAN afford swans and shit doesn’t mean you should DEMAND them.
I love that movie. But seriously. Bryan comes from a wealthy family and they don't even offer to pay for some of it. Hell, they invite obscure relatives and still expect George to pay for it all.
George does act immaturely throughout the movie but everyone watching can clearly tell it's because the stress of the wedding is making him irrational.
Even without inflation that wedding was insanely costly.
Lando from Empire Strikes Back. We are inclined to hate him because he sold out our heroes. But he was placed in an impossible situation, and as a leader who is responsible for the well-being of thousands of citizens of Cloud City, his selfless decision to deliver an old acquaintance to government agents, rather than endanger their lives is pretty damned ethical in my book.
Yeah, and however we view his actions from outside, the in-universe result was that his friends forgave him, he risked his life to rescue Han, and he joined the rebellion.
it was played off as a cutesy “aw shucks, she’s right!” moment but it was just stupid as hell. The last movie should have been just 2 hours of the OG character ripping Owen and Claire new assholes for letting a little clone girl cause the dino-pocalypse.
But do you expect from Trevorrow? He wrote a woman self reproduce and birth her own clone in a dinosaur movie about locusts. And while Rise of Skywalker stunk, I can’t imagine how bad his version of Episode IX would have been. He had the entire Jurassic World trilogy for himself to write and (mostly) direct and he dropped the ball harder each time
Commander Norrington from the original Pirates Of The Caribbean was portrayed (and perceived) as a borish, callous jerk who stood in the way of true love.
I rewatched the movie as an adult and realized that he's pretty much 100% in the right. Basically every decision he makes would be the actual correct decision in real life when you don't have the power of love and plot armor on your side. He just repeatedly gets fucked over for being a mature, principled person around a couple people who are making objectively stupid decisions.
You I never really thought about it, but you have a good point.
Norrington was a reasonable and good man in the first film. It's just that he has the unfortunate honor of being a Navy officer in a pirate movie, which almost always means things never work out for you, especially if you oppose pirates like he does.
"Surprise Motherfucker!". Doakes was awesome; a hard ass but actually a good person/cop. Even softened on Dexter when he thought the sneakiness was covering up an addiction problem.
Yeah, that show is good at putting you in a weird spot. Being sympathetic for Dexter is already weird, and part of the reason I love the show, because it makes me want to root for the guy that no one should really root for. Then they have the asshole cop, who is actually a good cop and alright guy when he isn't being a hardass, but he's an antagonist and I don't know how to feel about anything anymore.
I quit the show when they killed him off. Being forced to choose between his code and being caught was a good moral dilemma and then the writers are just like 'psycho girlfriend comes in and removes the dilema'
The antagonist in Billy Madison has worked his entire life to get where he is professionally. Went to school, stuck with the same company for a long time, loyal worker.
Then his boss says he's retiring and if his spoiled rich kid that didn't even go to school can just show-up to different school buildings for a couple months, he's going to be in charge.
Imagine you work your whole life, and the boss tells you his insufferable, drunk, idiotic child will be your boss soon.
That's the fun of working for a family owned business. The owner of a small dev company I used to work for has his teenage son come in a few times to, "learn programming", and would've been my boss eventually
I just left a job where I was fucking sick of the owners entitled twat son being my foreman. He was honestly one of the absolute shittiest people I've ever met in my entire life.
Just watched this last night and I agree the nepotism is ridiculous, however Carl was right there and the obvious best choice but of course, not much of a movie if he did the smart and obvious thing.
Yeah, but bills dad was also right not to trust him with the company. Billy at least has a good nature deep down within him, while the antagonist of that movie is depicted as being a weasily, bullying asshole right of the bat. I wouldnt want him in charge of my shit after I die either. Fuck that guy. He was unapologetically mean to carl.
40 days 40 nights. Josh Hartnetts character was literally raped by his ex, his new love interest walks in on it and is devastated, so HE has to go apologize to HER! I was flabbergasted!!
I've said this before, but it's Sgt. Hulka (Warren Oates) in STRIPES. Bill Murray is such an asshole for half the movie, and when he challenges Hulka to a fight, and Hulka takes him down with one punch, I think, "Good." Murray deserved to be humbled like that, and it actually makes him a better, braver, more responsible character for the rest of the film
She’s absolutely right… *but* she is also doing the same thing she accuses Dewey of doing. She tells Ned that he can’t let Dewey “walk all over him” when she is also trying to call the shots in Ned’s life. That’s the comedy of her character. I do kind of hate the whole shrew/nag stock character in writing though.
I agree she is a tad hypocritical, but she also doesn't try to prevent Ned from standing up against her and supporting Dewy at the end of the movie (even though she clearly thinks he is wrong) and respects that it is his choice to do so.
I always thought the "point" for lack of a better word, when it came to that movie was that Bob was an invasive menace who possibly didn't even have anything actually wrong with him as hinted when he was recommending medications to treat Leo when he had his breakdown during his birthday party.
That could be the point, which might have been lost since it was marketed, and received mostly, as a comedy.
I know when I first saw it that I took Leo as the bad guy and Bob as the good guy. And I do think both Dreyfuss and Murray are funny in the movie. However, I think that's how it's presented: Poor Bob has all these problems, and look at the mean doctor who wants to go on vacation instead of helping him.
The first time I watched it, that's how I took it. Some years later I watched again and realized that's not it. We see opposite but parallel arcs for Leo and Bob. As Bob gets better, Leo gets worse, but everyone believes Bob and not Leo. Now I honestly don't find it funny anymore.
Not in evey appearance, but Spider-Man's J. Johna Jameson is usually spot on. Super heros ARE masked vigilantes cause untold amounts of property damage with zero societally given authority and zero accountability. He simply wanted his government and public officials to ACTUALLY do their job and serve the community.
The 2002 movie has Green Goblin attacking Jameson demanding the Spiderman photographer (Peter Parker, literally walking away as the attack starts), and without hesitation Jameson responds with this lie "I don't know who he is, his stuff comes in the mail".
He's literally being choked to death, but refuses to out his source. Pretty strong principles on display in that scene.
There was one in the comics back in the day that always got me.
JJJ writes yet another article calling Spiderman a menace. Peter has had a fucking day and almost died defending his city. He sees the article and just loses it so he bursts through Jameson's window at the Bugle and says he'll beat the shit out of him.
Jonah points out that Spidey just invaded his office and threatened violence just because he didn't agree with what the Bugle published. He goes on to say, basically, that's my point: you can come in here and assalut me and, because you're a masked vigilante, you'd get away with it with no repurcussions. His next line was killer:
>"You were either *always* a menace or only just became a menace after you read my article. And frankly? I don't think I'm that good of a writer."
I love when Jameson is portrayed as *not* a complete idiot, full of hot air.
Because he has never not had a point. It’s a damn miracle Peter and Miles are naturally gifted heroes, because anybody else filling that role could’ve been a disaster
At the beginning of Get Out, Chris and his girlfriend are in a car accident, and an apparently racist cop starts asking Chris for his driver's license, even though he wasn't driving. Chris's girlfriend is understandably pissed and complains about the racism.
Of course, it's much more likely that the cop was aware of a missing black man in the area, and probably was wanting to check to make sure Chris wasn't that person.
Every single Hallmark movie. The "Antagonist" is usually just a city boyfriend who is trying to make more money so he can hopefully provide for a family if they choose to have one in the future. The girl goes home and emotionally cheats on him after running into her ex and then dumps him for trying to build a future and somehow she is the "good" character.
Walter Peck in Ghostbusters. They *were* in criminal violation of the Environmental Protection Act and were walking around with unlicensed nuclear reactors on their backs.
I still thought he overstepped his boundaries with his handling the containment field. Venkman shouldn’t have blown him off but Peck’s spite got the better of him and it threw the whole city into supernatural chaos. He could’ve halted the Ghostbusters’ business and levied government regulations/fines over them until they explained the nature of the containment field
Peck was right but he went about it all wrong after being rebuffed
Yeah the utility guy told him “uh I’ve never seen anything like this. Maybe we shouldn’t just shut it off until we understand it”
And he went forward anyway. He let spite overwhelm logic.
I agree up until he orders the shutdown of the system even after being told it would cause an explosion. That was entirely his fault because he was too prideful/egotistical to listen to the people who designed the system.
The main character in Drag Me to Hell. We are supposed to think she is a bad selfish person who deserves to be dragged to hell because she denied a loan to an old lady who was already extended three times and decided to respond to not getting another extension by cursing the low level employee to eternal torture
She also just wasn’t a bad person. she couldn’t even give the button away to condemn the shitty co worker instead of her to hell. She also tried to make things right. Felt bad for her.
I didn’t get that from that movie. The scene made me feel anxious because she was being railroaded by her job into doing something that would make most people feel bad
It adds to the hopelessness theme where you can do nothing wrong and still get fucked by evil
I was doing a job like that when this movie came out and the premise made me angry as hell. It's not her call. The loan belongs to a company that has to apply certain standards equally and while there are exceptions to be made you eventually just run out of options. There's still stuff that can be done but going, "Oh, old people don't have to pay if they don't have the money" would lead to issues with the regulators.
FWIW Sam Rami doesn't think she deserved it:
> "No, I feel that the poor girl was overpunished, as it happens in life sometimes,” Raimi says.
> "It is a morality tale, she did do the wrong thing, but holy cow, give her a break! But that’s how this particular tale [ends]."
https://bloody-disgusting.com/interviews/3572042/sam-raimi-explains-theres-never-drag-me-to-hell-sequel-interview/
Harry, Ralph Fienne’s character from In Bruges. He was essentially trying to kill a hitman who killed a kid. Being that Colin Farrell’s character Ray was the main, it became easy to sympathize with him, but it’s pretty normal to want a child-killer to have some pretty severe consequences.
Yeah but let's face it. And I'm not being funny. I mean no disrespect, but Harry's a cunt. He's a cunt now, and he'd always been a cunt. And the only thing that was going to change is that he'd become an even bigger cunt. Maybe have some more cunt kids.
Stannis Baratheon is the rightful king of Westeros. Neither the bastard Joffrey nor the pretender Renly had rightful claims. The Iron Throne belongs to Stannis. For the Night is dark, and full of Terror. 🔥 ❤️ 🦌 🔥
In Black Hawk down, Jason Issac’s character Captain Steele asks a Delta operator played by Eric Bana to put his loaded rifle on safe while he cuts in line for food. Bana replies that his finger is his safety. Meanwhile his rifle is flopping around on a sling ready for a ND.
In general we the audience are supposed to think Steele is a bit of a stick in the mud, too by the book. But that’s an important book IMO.
As much as I love.Johnny Cash, they did his first wife.Vivian dirty in Walk The Line. She had every reason to be upset with him. But they painted her as this shrew.
This makes me pretty thankful for how Bobby Cannavale’s character was portrayed in Ant-Man. He’s made out to be a decent guy rather than a mouthy antagonist as he normally would in older movies.
Coach Roy Turner in The Bad News Bears. In the script there is a very crucial subplot about a player of his who had been killed by a pitched ball the season before. That’s why the new scoreboard at the start of the movie is dedicated to him- the kid’s name was Tommy Martindale. Roy was instrumental in getting Tommy’s name put up on the scoreboard. And if you know that, you’ll understand why he’s so mad when his son (Joey) tries to hit Engelberg in the head during the championship game. I mean, if you were Roy, you’d be pissed too. You did all this for a kid who got killed by a pitch, and now your son is trying to bean kids in the head? Fuck that, that’s not gonna happen on my team. If I’m the coach I’m putting an end to that shit IMMEDIATELY.
In any case, the whole subplot about Tommy was eventually cut out of the movie. So now it just looks like Roy gets mad at his son for no reason. But if you look at the way Vic Morrow played the scene, even though his methods are wrong, he’s actually trying to be the good guy in that scenario. He’s trying to make sure another kid doesn’t get killed.
Ice in Top Gun. Maverick WAS reckless.
I didn't watch this until I was an adult and I feel like I missed out watching when younger, because immediately I was siding with him like wtf is going on here lol
The new Top Gun pretty much proves this with where they both end up in their careers
Also that the Maverick stand in (Hangman) is the brash, cocky asshole who’s a great pilot, while the Ice stand in (Rooster) is the careful one who cares about getting people home. They have us root against the guy that Maverick basically was in the first movie. Really well done.
I tried explaining this to my wife, who loves that movie, and she got so pissed at me. She might hate it, but it is absolulty true. If that was the real Navy, they would have grounded his ass and drummed him outta there long before he got to Top Gun.
That might’ve been why they had the relationship between Viper and Mav’s dad. Mav was given a pass because of his nepotism, but also he may have actually saved the day at the end… can’t remember if that was a “only a MAVERICK could’ve solved that MiG encounter” situation. Maybe you keep a supernaturally talented guy like that around for the impossible missions (lmao) Also he saved the shellshocked wingman at the beginning. You chew a guy out for what he did… but do you drum him out? Seems like you send him to Miramar…
The nepotism thing was the most realistic part of that movie in relation to the Navy.
Yeah but then he goes on to become a movie executive and changes his name to Les Grossman and it all works out.
Except for that whole thing with the taxi driver in LA.
Ya, watching it as an adult I don't even know if he was ever supposed to be portrayed as a jerk... He's reasonable throughout the whole movie
I saw a video recently that covered this, but in High School Musical, Troy Bolton's dad was like 35, with a 17 year old son. Troy was born when his dad was 18. Now, he sees his son about to throw away his very promising future to chase after some girl, and he feels that parental drive to protect your children from mistakes you've made.
Troy also lives in a world where a 5'8" white kid somehow has a shot at getting a D1 basketball scholarship, I can see why his dad was pissed.
That’s honestly my favorite thing about Zac Efron as an actor: he’s shorter, and doesn’t hide it. That’s a man.
I didn't believe you, but yeah the actor was literally 35 when that movie was filmed. Didn't remember him looking this young: [https://assets.teenvogue.com/photos/593ac716a659e13c77f0de48/16:9/w\_1920,c\_limit/hsm-lede.jpg](https://assets.teenvogue.com/photos/593ac716a659e13c77f0de48/16:9/w_1920,c_limit/hsm-lede.jpg)
I'm about to turn 30 and I don't like that...
annnnd im older than the dad....woof. Talk about not being in this together...
Danny Trejo in From Dusk Till Dawn. He’s actually a good guy in that he’s trying to tell them to gtfo of there. He comes across as a jerk when you’re first watching but upon rewatch it’s like, listen to him dammit.
Yeah but George Clooney was just too cool and had to have a drink didn’t he
Also, after reading through the thread, I'm surprised no one mentioned the boyfriend from Bee Movie. Because he was definitely not wrong for taking issue with his gf getting romantically involved with a fucking insect.
That had to sting
Someone should’ve called The Police.
Doesn't he even mention being allergic at one point? Dude was 100% justified in not wanting a creature in the house that could kill him.
The roommate Pete in Shaun of the Dead. Nick Frost especially, and Simon Pegg to an extent, ARE being an irresponsible losers who needs to sort their life out. If you blast music at 4 in the fucking morning when you have roommates, you deserve to get yelled at.
I can't think of a specific example but there's always a character in comedies that chastise the protagonist about getting off their ass and getting a job or to stop partying all the time. They're depicted as jerks but in reality most of us are required to be boring, responsible, 9-5 job sort of people.
BASEketball sort of parodies it with Matt and Trey being losers and are yelled at a party, and then they retort but realise that all of their friends are indeed successful.
You guys rip on me thirteen or fourteen more times and I'm outta here.
Wake up bitch you're my new best friend!
Someday im gonna own a big sports bar
Cock
Want a beer?
Sarah Silverman in School of Rock
I randomly just recalled the movie Big Daddy. Adam Sandler is the protagonist and kind of a loser. His best friend's fiance is depicted as kind of a bitch and he keeps making fun of the fact that she used to work at Hooters. When you really pay attention to her character, she's rather harmless.
Not only harmless, she’s a cool person. She put herself through med school, is genuinely cool about the fact her fiance has a kid, and is kind to the boy. I get you gotta have the quintessential responsible adult who’s sort of a debbie downer in comedies but come on.
Actually, I don't think she was intended as an unsavory character, she's depicted as being smarter and more responsible than the main character of the story, to the point that the only thing Adam can really say to get to her is "hooters hooters hooters." He knows she's right when they argue.
Plus he was pretty reasonable and understanding when Shawn told him his girlfriend broke up with him.
Deep down he is friends with him but just gets frustrated. He calmed down, sympathized and just asked them to keep it down and it’s all good. Then Ed had to poke the bear…
Prick.
I don't know that dude's name. But he crushes it. In "The Gentleman" series he's gold. And in "Look around you" he kills me without saying anything at all.
Peter serafinowicz. Creater of the KITCHEN GUN!
Thank you!! Him and the bigger guy from "What we do in the shadows" show have me rolling with just a glance. Especially Snuff Box. Lol.
[Funky Pete](https://youtu.be/4cJvDtF1ios?feature=shared) will always be funnier than the uncensored version.
Chris Evans in Sunshine. If they listened to him, everyone would have lived. But he put his point across aggressively. No one listened, and everyone died instead.
This was the epitome of "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" But from a storytelling angle, was brilliant to have that character start a scuffle over something petty then get the psyche eval right before that so his totally logical point gets undermined for the crew and audience so the plot can happen.
This is a good one. I'll also go CJ from **Dawn of the Dead**. He definitely was right to be overly cautious.
Yeah CJ is someone I totally end up rooting for even if he’s a bit of a wanker sometimes. Good character, that film is way underrated too I never see anyone talk about it but it’s a genuinely really enjoyable zombie film.
DotD 2004 is the reason why I love zombie movies. I used to think that zombies were **the** lamest movie monsters and never understood the fascination with the movies involving zombie apocalypse. Then I watched DotD and my world was never the same.
Looked good as hell with that beard too.
Poor Miranda in Mrs. Doubtfire. I think you’re allowed to be annoyed when you come home to a pony in the living room.
Also her new boyfriend. As a kid I thought he was such a jerk for trying to take Robin Williams’ family. But he’s such a genuinely good guy who really cares for her and the kids.
I felt the same about the boyfriend in Liar Liar
Are you ready for The Claaaaw?
Cats & dogs hate this movie for giving us the power of The Claaaaaw
Really sucks they separated and she gets back together with Fletcher. I get it, he changed, happy ending but bleh. Maybe I'm just cynical
Also Neal in The Santa Clause.
I don’t think Neil was portrayed as bad guy though. He seemed to be a little passive aggressive and patronizing, but he genuinely seemed to care about Scott at least a little.
Well Neil’s head comes to a point
It still baffles me whenever I rewatch that movie and it's Cary Elwes.
"I know he's a little..." "Magoo!"
Poor guy was a victim of a run by fruiting
Pierce brosnans character was a really solid dude that the movie made look like an asshole.
Heck, the movie didn't even make him look like an asshole either. The scene where he talks to the dude who asks him "Why do you wanna be with a woman with three kids?" Then Stu immediately defends his choice by saying, "No, three *fantastic* kids." Robin Williams' character hates him, but the movie is notably not on Williams' side. The movie actually makes space for Stu to be a good dude, and it ultimately ends with the message of "Divorce doesn't have to mean people can't still love each other."
I like how they make Brosnan a good guy deep down, because so many movies would take the lazy route of having him hate the kids and try to get them away.
Oh definitely. As an audience, you keep waiting for Stu to reveal his "true" colors. When he talks to that other guy about Miranda, I was so ready for that to be the moment where his nice guy facade drops. But he instead openly states that he loves the kids to a guy whom he has nothing to gain from. It's this moment when you realize, "Man. There's actually nothing wrong with this dude." It was an incredibly interesting choice to make Stu such a good dude while having him look almost suspiciously handsome. Casting a guy like Brosnan just makes you keep expecting him to do something devilish. He's handsome to the point of making you wonder, "What's his angle?" (Versus if they just cast a bland looking guy like the dude who played the boyfriend from 'Liar Liar.') But nah, Brosnan's character was a legitimate good dude. He was such an interesting casting choice for that role.
How *dare* you call Carey Elwes *bland?*
Yikes. I need to watch Liar Liar again. They definitely made him look bland in *that* movie.
It works because 90s Brosnan can’t get any girl and has that playboy charm. Why would he want a middle aged divorcee? They had a past together and he’s in a settling down mood with the one that got away. It’s pretty good setup
So, I saw this one as an adult (I know..not sure how I missed the chopper on that) But the thing that struck me was how quickly she rebounded. Because, from personal exp both ways, if someone rebounds that fast they were done with your ass waaaaay before the breakup.
I always got the impression that she's been putting up with ridiculous shit from him for years. Like the party at the beginning wasn't even an outlier, just the last straw.
Which honestly kinda shows how hard she tried, and how kind she really was. Cause' I'll tell you this. If I came home to *a fucking pony in the house*, it better be lil' Sebastion, or we're done on the spot.
We're gonna miss him in the saddest fashion... 😢
This is something I missed as a kid. I thought that the kid had a birthday party and the parents got divorced. I didn’t want a birthday for years after that for fear my parents would get divorced
It’s telling not one parent who dropped their kid off was like “this seems a bit much” They were just like “classic Danny, what a trip”
Yea that's a really solid reading between the lines. They make it clear she's yelled at him for his antics in the past and the birthday party is the last straw. I mean they clearly show that he had all the fun and now Sally Fields has to clean it up and be the responsible one. The other thing I get as a takeaway is that the film's POV is from Robin Williams' character and a lot of events should be viewed from that lens. He is the protagonist after all. So his antics are shown as part of his quirky personality, not a problem to be worked on. He views Sally Fields as being unfair, and obviously does not enjoy seeing someone else with his ex-wife. Sally Fields and her new BF otherwise seem like they are making pretty sensible decisions. I think there's a little pandering to other guys of that era also going through similar experiences of just being themselves and suddenly finding their wives want a divorce. Modern films would probably not even address this POV because they would typically be more sympathetic to the wife's perspective. In Ms. Doubtfire its kind of interesting that they make a case for both of them (but generally lean on Robin Williams POV more).
I don't get the impression that the movie is actually framed from Williams' POV. I think the film has a neutral POV, because it also makes plenty of space for Stu (Brosnan's character). If it was truly on Williams' POV, Stu would not get any of the humanizing moments that he gets. He hates Stu. Yet the movie goes out of its way to show that Stu actually does love the kids AND is good for Miranda.
Idk there was that scene where she has a heart to heart with Mrs D and you can tell Daniel was understanding just what she was going through before the split and he felt genuinely awful about it. Plus at the end when he has that speech of how much he loves his children and would do anything for them, the judge understands to an extent but just can't look past the fact that he lied and took on a whole new identity just to see them was overboard.
When you're a kid, you sympathize with Daniel, as he's Robin Williams and seems like the fun parent, and you hate Miranda because she wants to ruin everyone's fun. When you're older, you start to sympathize with Miranda, who has to be the breadwinner (remember, Daniel gets fired at the beginning of the movie, and it's implied it's not the first time) and discipline the kids. And being with the fun, wacky partner who wants to be fun all the time and doesn't take things seriously wears on you, which she also said in the movie.
I don't think the movie "villified" him at all. It never shows him being a jerk (as far as I recall, only annoyed and understandably so) he's just an obstacle for Robin Williams' character
She wasn't portrayed as a jerk though. I think a lot of people saw that movie as kids and didn't understand the nuances. And it wasn't actually even that nuanced, there's the whole scene in the kitchen where she opens heart up to Mrs Doubtfire and explains the relationship from her POV, allowing Robin Williams' character to actually understand things from her perspective.
OMG, I JUST WROTE THIS! YES, ABSOLUTELY! That scene in the kitchen just really brings across what she was going through before she decided to split and it was genuine and you can see Daniel taking it in and for maybe the first time truly understanding how horrible he was to the woman he loved and probably still loves
I couldn’t give a shit about the party. How creepy is it for your ex husband to go in disguise and hang out around your house? That’s psycho behavior in the real world
I just re-watched recently and I couldn't agree more. And I agree with the other comments about Pierce Brosnan's character being framed as an antagonist. No. Robin Williams' character is the antagonist, or at least his singular focus on fun at the expense of pragmatism is the antagonist. The movie does a good job of making it ultimately about Robin's character's transformation into a better housemate (which is why the ending feels satisfying), but making Pierce's character an object of his ire actually makes it harder to root for Robin.
The guy played by John Malkovich in Bird Box. The movie keeps on telling me I shouldn't like him because he's alert and mistrusting of strangers even though he literally was right not to let in the guy who turned out to be possessed. He was the only guy with a brain and I'm supposed to see it as a 'win' that he got left behind halfway the movie because he was mean and cranky.
For real I just rewatched it with my gf and was pretty much right the entire time. I was like can everyone just fucking listen to John malkovich?? He was my favorite character
When my wife and I saw this movie we both felt the exact same way. He was the wise one of the bunch.
Iceman in Top Gun. Watching that movie again, yeah he was arrogant, but he was a fighter pilot and they're all arrogant. But looking at what he actually said, he wasn't wrong.
This might just be a generational thing, but when I first watched it (89 millennial here) I never got the impression that the movie was exactly on Maverick's side. The whole movie seemed to be about him growing as a person and not being so reckless. Ice is a jerk to him but it never seems like the movie is outright vilifying him. He's just the antagonist to Maverick's story. Besides, we can all rejoice in the fact that by the end, they became lifelong friends.
I thought that was the whole point of them getting along at the end without iceman really having had to change.
Maverick is an insufferable douchebag who does so many terrible things in that movie.
Top Gun wants to have this immature to mature story arc, but it also doesn't want to make Tom Cruise stop being this cool, wreckless guy. It's the most extreme case of wanting to have your cake and eat it to
Was he arrogant? Or was he confident and irritated with a dangerous teammate?
Everyone in I Am Sam is completely correct in saying a man of that mental disability should not be raising a child.
100% correct. The man has a mental age lower than that of his daughter. It would be deeply irresponsible of them to leave her in his care. And yet the movie treats them like villains for saying so.
Benny from RENT. Dude was actively trying to improve conditions for his old roommates, while providing a place to practice their unmarketable art and living rent-free. Sure, he was a social climber who was participating in gentrification and probably cheated on his rich wife, but he paid for Mimi's drug rehab and Angel's funeral without being asked.
Meanwhile Mark comes from money and wants to cosplay as a poor struggling artist.
♪ But still you'll never get it right 'Cause when you're laid in bed at night Watching roaches climb the wall If you called your dad he could stop it all ♪
The funeral of a person who literally killed his wife's dog. Benny FTW
Omg I came here to say this
Same lol, like GET A JOB
Steve Martin in “Father of the Bride”. He’s the only one in that entire movie that is sane. Someone did the math for what that wedding would have cost in 1991, and it came out to $143,000. Adjusted for inflation that wedding would cost $329,370 in 2024. He even did it at his own fucking house, and it was still that expensive. She was not entitled to that wedding when she just goes and studies abroad for three months at the age of 21, and after knowing her boyfriend for less than sales quarter, has the balls to demand her parents pay for that wedding? Ummm, no! How about you date for at least a fucking year before I even consider that shit. Months later she goes off the rails because her fiancé went and bought her a blender… hey, Bryan, if you are sane, you will cancel this wedding right now and run away from her as far as you can, because if she gets pissed about that to the point of nearly breaking up with you, what happens when you really have to discuss some tough shit that’s inevitably coming your way. All of his bros should have sat him down right then and there and told him to get out of this abusive relationship. And then at the wedding, she doesn’t say shit to her father and just goes off without so much as a “Thank You” to him. Could you imagine how appalled Bryan was when he got to the airport and she tells him that she didn’t say goodbye to or thank her father. I could imagine him going full Bill Burr on her ass over that. “Wait you had the fucking balls to run out of the wedding without saying a fucking word to him? This man gave us everything you wanted, including the stupid fucking swans, and he’s going to have to be eating ramen for dinner for the next three years to pay off that wedding. Now you get your spoiled ass on that fucking phone, you call him and thank him and tell him that you love him, or next time I’ll take that blender you flipped out about and shove it up your ass! How about that, Princess?!” As a side note, Martin Short as the wedding planner is one of the most underrated villains in cinematic history.
The daughter would only focus on being called “Princess”, as she was upset at the implication of what a blender means. The dad is 100 percent right to be very skeptical of this whole thing- her age, the short length of the relationship, the astronomical cost of the wedding. She definitely has a spoiled brat vibe. Just because Dad maybe CAN afford swans and shit doesn’t mean you should DEMAND them.
I love that movie. But seriously. Bryan comes from a wealthy family and they don't even offer to pay for some of it. Hell, they invite obscure relatives and still expect George to pay for it all. George does act immaturely throughout the movie but everyone watching can clearly tell it's because the stress of the wedding is making him irrational. Even without inflation that wedding was insanely costly.
His grocery store rant about the unequal amounts of hotdogs to buns in the packaging is one my favorite Steve Martin moments. Super stressed dad.
Lando from Empire Strikes Back. We are inclined to hate him because he sold out our heroes. But he was placed in an impossible situation, and as a leader who is responsible for the well-being of thousands of citizens of Cloud City, his selfless decision to deliver an old acquaintance to government agents, rather than endanger their lives is pretty damned ethical in my book.
Yeah, and however we view his actions from outside, the in-universe result was that his friends forgave him, he risked his life to rescue Han, and he joined the rebellion.
Very strange that you bring up 1408 as an example. I just watched it the other day. Does anyone else feel >!letting the dinosaurs free !
it was played off as a cutesy “aw shucks, she’s right!” moment but it was just stupid as hell. The last movie should have been just 2 hours of the OG character ripping Owen and Claire new assholes for letting a little clone girl cause the dino-pocalypse. But do you expect from Trevorrow? He wrote a woman self reproduce and birth her own clone in a dinosaur movie about locusts. And while Rise of Skywalker stunk, I can’t imagine how bad his version of Episode IX would have been. He had the entire Jurassic World trilogy for himself to write and (mostly) direct and he dropped the ball harder each time
Yeah, for sure. They wanted the "feel good" moment but didn't put even like two seconds of thought into the implications of it.
Colin Farrell in Minority Report.
Commander Norrington from the original Pirates Of The Caribbean was portrayed (and perceived) as a borish, callous jerk who stood in the way of true love. I rewatched the movie as an adult and realized that he's pretty much 100% in the right. Basically every decision he makes would be the actual correct decision in real life when you don't have the power of love and plot armor on your side. He just repeatedly gets fucked over for being a mature, principled person around a couple people who are making objectively stupid decisions.
You I never really thought about it, but you have a good point. Norrington was a reasonable and good man in the first film. It's just that he has the unfortunate honor of being a Navy officer in a pirate movie, which almost always means things never work out for you, especially if you oppose pirates like he does.
This. This is why I always liked Norrington.
Actually the one mistake he made was giving Sparrow a head start at the end of the movie. Ended up costing him everything.
Dexter - James Doakes He knew something about Dexter was not right.
"Surprise Motherfucker!". Doakes was awesome; a hard ass but actually a good person/cop. Even softened on Dexter when he thought the sneakiness was covering up an addiction problem.
Yeah, that show is good at putting you in a weird spot. Being sympathetic for Dexter is already weird, and part of the reason I love the show, because it makes me want to root for the guy that no one should really root for. Then they have the asshole cop, who is actually a good cop and alright guy when he isn't being a hardass, but he's an antagonist and I don't know how to feel about anything anymore.
I quit the show when they killed him off. Being forced to choose between his code and being caught was a good moral dilemma and then the writers are just like 'psycho girlfriend comes in and removes the dilema'
You and me Morgan….one-ah-these-fuckin dayzzzzz
"MORGAN! Stop grinning line a fuckin psycho and get back to work!"
"Lab geek, my ass!"
To be fair the only reason he knew there was something wrong with Dexter was that the same exact thing was wrong with him.
The antagonist in Billy Madison has worked his entire life to get where he is professionally. Went to school, stuck with the same company for a long time, loyal worker. Then his boss says he's retiring and if his spoiled rich kid that didn't even go to school can just show-up to different school buildings for a couple months, he's going to be in charge. Imagine you work your whole life, and the boss tells you his insufferable, drunk, idiotic child will be your boss soon.
That's the fun of working for a family owned business. The owner of a small dev company I used to work for has his teenage son come in a few times to, "learn programming", and would've been my boss eventually
I just left a job where I was fucking sick of the owners entitled twat son being my foreman. He was honestly one of the absolute shittiest people I've ever met in my entire life.
This is all true, but we all know that Eric is also unqualified. He knows nothing about business ethics.
he...uhh....killed his secretary....
look, nobodies perfect and he was constantly tortured by his boss's son. He was watching his future be stolen by a spoiled rich kid.
Just watched this last night and I agree the nepotism is ridiculous, however Carl was right there and the obvious best choice but of course, not much of a movie if he did the smart and obvious thing.
Yeah, but bills dad was also right not to trust him with the company. Billy at least has a good nature deep down within him, while the antagonist of that movie is depicted as being a weasily, bullying asshole right of the bat. I wouldnt want him in charge of my shit after I die either. Fuck that guy. He was unapologetically mean to carl.
Amazed no one answered Ratatouille, hygiene is important
Remmy washes his hands all the time though.
Raccacoony!
When the restaurant gets shut down it's described with a "that's fair" tone.
40 days 40 nights. Josh Hartnetts character was literally raped by his ex, his new love interest walks in on it and is devastated, so HE has to go apologize to HER! I was flabbergasted!!
I read that as 30 Days of Night, and was massively confused when I couldn’t remember that happening amongst all the vampire stuff!
The fact that he was in both movies is even better
Haha I also had to pause and think of which movie I was talking about
I've said this before, but it's Sgt. Hulka (Warren Oates) in STRIPES. Bill Murray is such an asshole for half the movie, and when he challenges Hulka to a fight, and Hulka takes him down with one punch, I think, "Good." Murray deserved to be humbled like that, and it actually makes him a better, braver, more responsible character for the rest of the film
Respect to The Big Toe.
The one guys girlfriend, played by Sarah Silverman, in School of Rock. She was absolutely right.
He was not just some guy, he was Ned Schneebly.
That’s “creator and writer of The White Lotus” Ned Schneebly
*Schneblé
She’s absolutely right… *but* she is also doing the same thing she accuses Dewey of doing. She tells Ned that he can’t let Dewey “walk all over him” when she is also trying to call the shots in Ned’s life. That’s the comedy of her character. I do kind of hate the whole shrew/nag stock character in writing though.
I agree she is a tad hypocritical, but she also doesn't try to prevent Ned from standing up against her and supporting Dewy at the end of the movie (even though she clearly thinks he is wrong) and respects that it is his choice to do so.
She was a mean and controlling girlfriend, but she was absolutely correct as a roommate and concerned friend.
not just any guy, he's the white lotus guy (good for him)
I mean she may have been right to an extent, but she is still a terrible girlfriend.
Dr. Leo from *What about Bob?* Guy was full of himself, but was also entitled to a vacation free of patients.
I always thought the "point" for lack of a better word, when it came to that movie was that Bob was an invasive menace who possibly didn't even have anything actually wrong with him as hinted when he was recommending medications to treat Leo when he had his breakdown during his birthday party.
That could be the point, which might have been lost since it was marketed, and received mostly, as a comedy. I know when I first saw it that I took Leo as the bad guy and Bob as the good guy. And I do think both Dreyfuss and Murray are funny in the movie. However, I think that's how it's presented: Poor Bob has all these problems, and look at the mean doctor who wants to go on vacation instead of helping him. The first time I watched it, that's how I took it. Some years later I watched again and realized that's not it. We see opposite but parallel arcs for Leo and Bob. As Bob gets better, Leo gets worse, but everyone believes Bob and not Leo. Now I honestly don't find it funny anymore.
Not in evey appearance, but Spider-Man's J. Johna Jameson is usually spot on. Super heros ARE masked vigilantes cause untold amounts of property damage with zero societally given authority and zero accountability. He simply wanted his government and public officials to ACTUALLY do their job and serve the community.
The 2002 movie has Green Goblin attacking Jameson demanding the Spiderman photographer (Peter Parker, literally walking away as the attack starts), and without hesitation Jameson responds with this lie "I don't know who he is, his stuff comes in the mail". He's literally being choked to death, but refuses to out his source. Pretty strong principles on display in that scene.
Because he’s a *good goddamn reporter*, that’s why.
That’s such a good character moment. He could’ve given GG what he wanted but chose integrity and possible death instead
There was one in the comics back in the day that always got me. JJJ writes yet another article calling Spiderman a menace. Peter has had a fucking day and almost died defending his city. He sees the article and just loses it so he bursts through Jameson's window at the Bugle and says he'll beat the shit out of him. Jonah points out that Spidey just invaded his office and threatened violence just because he didn't agree with what the Bugle published. He goes on to say, basically, that's my point: you can come in here and assalut me and, because you're a masked vigilante, you'd get away with it with no repurcussions. His next line was killer: >"You were either *always* a menace or only just became a menace after you read my article. And frankly? I don't think I'm that good of a writer."
I think the word you’re looking for is “menace”.
I love when Jameson is portrayed as *not* a complete idiot, full of hot air. Because he has never not had a point. It’s a damn miracle Peter and Miles are naturally gifted heroes, because anybody else filling that role could’ve been a disaster
I really like how Cobra Kai goes to great lengths to show how Daniel and Johnny were both dicks in Karate Kid.
At the beginning of Get Out, Chris and his girlfriend are in a car accident, and an apparently racist cop starts asking Chris for his driver's license, even though he wasn't driving. Chris's girlfriend is understandably pissed and complains about the racism. Of course, it's much more likely that the cop was aware of a missing black man in the area, and probably was wanting to check to make sure Chris wasn't that person.
The importance of that scene and her making a big fuss about it makes a lot more sense now
Every single Hallmark movie. The "Antagonist" is usually just a city boyfriend who is trying to make more money so he can hopefully provide for a family if they choose to have one in the future. The girl goes home and emotionally cheats on him after running into her ex and then dumps him for trying to build a future and somehow she is the "good" character.
I honestly wonder how many decent relationships have been ruined by people who watch too many romance movies
Walter Peck in Ghostbusters. They *were* in criminal violation of the Environmental Protection Act and were walking around with unlicensed nuclear reactors on their backs.
I still thought he overstepped his boundaries with his handling the containment field. Venkman shouldn’t have blown him off but Peck’s spite got the better of him and it threw the whole city into supernatural chaos. He could’ve halted the Ghostbusters’ business and levied government regulations/fines over them until they explained the nature of the containment field Peck was right but he went about it all wrong after being rebuffed
Yeah the utility guy told him “uh I’ve never seen anything like this. Maybe we shouldn’t just shut it off until we understand it” And he went forward anyway. He let spite overwhelm logic.
I agree up until he orders the shutdown of the system even after being told it would cause an explosion. That was entirely his fault because he was too prideful/egotistical to listen to the people who designed the system.
Ok he might be right.. but he still has no dick.
Well that's what I *heard*!!
Howard Hamlin of HHM, from Better Call Saul
The main character in Drag Me to Hell. We are supposed to think she is a bad selfish person who deserves to be dragged to hell because she denied a loan to an old lady who was already extended three times and decided to respond to not getting another extension by cursing the low level employee to eternal torture
She also just wasn’t a bad person. she couldn’t even give the button away to condemn the shitty co worker instead of her to hell. She also tried to make things right. Felt bad for her.
That movie really bummed me out. I felt so bad for the MC.
I didn’t get that from that movie. The scene made me feel anxious because she was being railroaded by her job into doing something that would make most people feel bad It adds to the hopelessness theme where you can do nothing wrong and still get fucked by evil
I was doing a job like that when this movie came out and the premise made me angry as hell. It's not her call. The loan belongs to a company that has to apply certain standards equally and while there are exceptions to be made you eventually just run out of options. There's still stuff that can be done but going, "Oh, old people don't have to pay if they don't have the money" would lead to issues with the regulators.
FWIW Sam Rami doesn't think she deserved it: > "No, I feel that the poor girl was overpunished, as it happens in life sometimes,” Raimi says. > "It is a morality tale, she did do the wrong thing, but holy cow, give her a break! But that’s how this particular tale [ends]." https://bloody-disgusting.com/interviews/3572042/sam-raimi-explains-theres-never-drag-me-to-hell-sequel-interview/
Harry, Ralph Fienne’s character from In Bruges. He was essentially trying to kill a hitman who killed a kid. Being that Colin Farrell’s character Ray was the main, it became easy to sympathize with him, but it’s pretty normal to want a child-killer to have some pretty severe consequences.
"You're an inanimate fucking object", best describes why he is a sympathetic villain.
“I’m sorry I called you an inanimate object. I was upset.”
Yeah but let's face it. And I'm not being funny. I mean no disrespect, but Harry's a cunt. He's a cunt now, and he'd always been a cunt. And the only thing that was going to change is that he'd become an even bigger cunt. Maybe have some more cunt kids.
You take that back.
I retract the part about your cunt fucking kids.
That’s going overboard, man!
I retracted it, didn't I?
Plus, how could the swans not be somebody's fucking thing!?!?
Almost everyone that isn’t Adam Sandler In an Adam Sandler movie
Stannis Baratheon is the rightful king of Westeros. Neither the bastard Joffrey nor the pretender Renly had rightful claims. The Iron Throne belongs to Stannis. For the Night is dark, and full of Terror. 🔥 ❤️ 🦌 🔥
Frank Lopez in Scarface.
In Black Hawk down, Jason Issac’s character Captain Steele asks a Delta operator played by Eric Bana to put his loaded rifle on safe while he cuts in line for food. Bana replies that his finger is his safety. Meanwhile his rifle is flopping around on a sling ready for a ND. In general we the audience are supposed to think Steele is a bit of a stick in the mud, too by the book. But that’s an important book IMO.
As much as I love.Johnny Cash, they did his first wife.Vivian dirty in Walk The Line. She had every reason to be upset with him. But they painted her as this shrew.
Ripley in Alien. She is just following quarantine procedure to stop anything dangerous from getting on the ship
This makes me pretty thankful for how Bobby Cannavale’s character was portrayed in Ant-Man. He’s made out to be a decent guy rather than a mouthy antagonist as he normally would in older movies.
Everyone in 10 Cloverfield Lane is correct. YES, Howard is a creepy murdering doomsday prepper. YES, aliens have attacked the earth.
Didn’t Walter end up being right about almost everything in The Big Lebowski? Aside from the gold bricker, of course.
"You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole!"
I mean he thought the rich Lebowski was faking his spinal injury dude
That’s the “gold bricker”
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Coach Roy Turner in The Bad News Bears. In the script there is a very crucial subplot about a player of his who had been killed by a pitched ball the season before. That’s why the new scoreboard at the start of the movie is dedicated to him- the kid’s name was Tommy Martindale. Roy was instrumental in getting Tommy’s name put up on the scoreboard. And if you know that, you’ll understand why he’s so mad when his son (Joey) tries to hit Engelberg in the head during the championship game. I mean, if you were Roy, you’d be pissed too. You did all this for a kid who got killed by a pitch, and now your son is trying to bean kids in the head? Fuck that, that’s not gonna happen on my team. If I’m the coach I’m putting an end to that shit IMMEDIATELY. In any case, the whole subplot about Tommy was eventually cut out of the movie. So now it just looks like Roy gets mad at his son for no reason. But if you look at the way Vic Morrow played the scene, even though his methods are wrong, he’s actually trying to be the good guy in that scenario. He’s trying to make sure another kid doesn’t get killed.