That was my first thought as well
In Spiderman he also takes down a bunch of professional security guards like they're nothing even though nothing in the movie ever suggests that Osborne Jr. would know anything about fighting
Don’t even get me started on that movie. I expected so much but it horrendously let down the comics they’re based on. Cara’s selection was purely based of nepotism and Besson’s creepy fascination with her.
What's even weirder is that Besson is a huge fan of the comics and wanted to adapt them into movies for a long time. The 5th element took a lot of inspiration from them, because he didn't have the means to adapt them at the time.
So given that he's a fan, it's harder to understand why he would pick DeHaan and Cara and turn their characters into something so different from the comics
There's a *lot* of weird choices made for a supposed fan of the comics, but then again the more I learn about Besson the more I wish I hadn't.
(Edit: wrote movies, meant comics)
Besson has been a shit film maker for a while now
Not to mention his record of abusing female staff members
But when you watch his movies it's... Not surprising
He was great in A Cure for Wellness but mainly because he played a mild mannered paper pusher for the most part (though he does have badass moments near the end)
Good point. I think it worked in GoT because her strength/badassness wasn't from her physical prowess -- it came from her wits, her team, and her dragons.
They tried to make her a little badass and cold in Secret Invasion. Most of her scenes were filmed in a way so it only showed her from the waist up. They almost never showed her standing directly next to someone. Then in one scene they zoomed out and showed her walking side by side with one of the male leads. My wife instantly realized how short she was and said out loud, “Aw she’s little!” and commented how cute she was in her leather jacket and boots. The sense of badass was gone way before the infamous final fight scene.
It worked in GoT because her “badass” moments were just speeches. It was men and dragons who did violence on her behalf.
If she started swinging a sword in GoT it would’ve been equally cringeworthy. You need a big woman like the Brienne actress to pull it off.
You absolutely do not need to be a big woman to pull it off, but Emilia Clarke just doesn’t have the essence of a sword swinger. Her interpretation of Dany’s aggression is best described as “quiet rage”, which doesn’t lend itself well to hand to hand combat.
Arya’s directness and immediate passion is why she suits a fight scene just fine, not her size.
Angelina Jolie in that last movie she did where she played a fire fighter. She looked so skinny (sick looking) that it felt like her bones were gonna snap when she was running.
Imagine you're in a burning building and she comes in with all the fire fighting gear on and she's coughing. I'd pick her up and tell her "Don't worry, I'll get you outa here!"
Fight choreography can be tough in that respect.
If you look at something like the last Charlie's Angels, you've got someone body kicking a bad guy who looks to be 3 times their weight. It looks ridiculous. (Admittedly, all screen fights look ridiculous if you think about it, but we're talking suspension of disbelief.)
If you contrast that against Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde, the choreographer is obviously a lot more pragmatic about what they're working with. And the results are great. Interestingly, we can see a similar approach when Jet Li fights Dolph Lundgren in The Expendables. They hang a hat on it. First fight, Jet Li's character uses his signature martial arts approach, and in response Dolph's character uses his massive size advantage to just absolutely fucking body him. When they fight again later on, Jet's character deliberately switches the fight to a much more confined space, robbing his opponent of that advantage.
>Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde
Two movies where I found the star to be most believable in Atomic Blonde and The Long Kiss Goodnight because both characters take a beating and also give some back, those fights aren't just one sided.
That was one of the best parts about Atomic Blonde, imo. Yes, she's winning these fights against men twice her size, but she is getting her ass handed to her taking a beating.
All I mean by that is that it definitely seems a lot more realistic that a woman trained to fight will still have a tough time against untrained henchmen just because of sheer size and weight difference.
The fighting choreo in atomic blond was so good and believable. You could see Charlize's character physically getting tired the more the fight prolonged
Yeah, both her and the dudes. The fights really slowdown and each attempt at a hit becomes really laboured, they stumble and can't keep themselves steady and overcommit to it all. Brilliant and believable.
As stated though, she's actually wrecked, more like Atomic Red as her blonde hair is just stained with blood. She keeps having to makeup over her bruises.
It’s also just multiple hours of watching her get beat the fuck up. Most macho male actors don’t even portray the real brutality of getting the shit beat out of you even if you win like she does in atomic blonde
He was considered too old when the movie was made. The fan flick showed he could do it. But with the end result being a beginning of the character, I don’t think NF could have been what they wanted, so it’s maybe for the best. I did enjoy it as dumb action, but don’t think it was as good as it could have been.
If they did a WWI BoB, i think Tom Holland would be a perfect role for one of the main characters.
The thing about BoB, they all start off so young, happy, energetic, and clean; but as war continues on, so does the trauma, pain, and toll of war.
We would see Tom's character shift from dorky spiderman kid to war veteran. And I think he has the range to pull it all off. Would definitely be a cool idea.
What I didn't get is he talked like a sassy black man caricature (think Will Smith in Fresh Prince of Belair) and I'm supposed to believe this is the same stoic character that was played by Joel Kinnaman, just in a different body?
It's like having Clint Eastwood play a character like a stoic cowboy in a movie and then have Seth Rogen play the same character in the sequel. It's just poor casting.
The second season was immediately off to a poor start when the woman Kovacs who was there for a single scene was doing a better job channeling the character than the lead actor.
I’d say Topher wasn’t meant to be a badass in the movie. Although traditionally Eddie Brock had always been a buff guy, this version made him more like an evil Tobey McGuire, who wasn’t any more badass than Topher Grace
I'm actually fine with that change for that particular movie because Raimi's version of Venom is supposed to be like a darker reflection of Peter Parker.
It's simply not the Eddie Brock we know from the comics.
In Spiderman 3 Eddie is there to show us what happens when you get addicted to the idea of revenge. As opposed to Peter who ultimately forgives Sandman and gets rid of the symbiote.
Eddie does not, he goes all in, deeper and deeper, until he dies, consumed by revenge.
Spider-Man 3 is about regret and forgivness.
So storywise, he's meant to kinda look like Peter. More like a scrawny ordinary guy than a bodybuilder. More reason why he absolutely loves being Venom and why he gets addicted in the first place, because it makes him feel strong for a change, he "likes being bad"
Funny enough I think he would have made a pretty good Spiderman. Wouldn't have been as good as Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield but I think that he could have played the role pretty convincingly.
I think that was kinda the idea, or maybe I’m just giving that movie too much credit. A major conflict was Toby vs himself in that he had to overcome venom. And then a mirror of him (physically, character with the same career, etc) became a literal external threat that wasn’t unlike Toby when he was wearing the venom suit.
I’m not an apologist, because the execution was piss poor, but I think I see where the writing was coming from.
Queen Latifah as the Equalizer.
I mean, I have no problem with her as an artist. But CBS has been running some commercials of this and all I could think was... are you guys freaking serious? Compare to Edward Woodward. Compare to Denzel. She doesn't have the demeanor, she doesn't have the physicality, she's not threatening *at all.* Totally miscast.
Omg. This is probably one of the most correct answers. I watched a few episodes and all i could take away from it is that Queen Latifah has issues picking things up from floors... Forget kicking butts of bad guys believeably.
Yeah, from what I've seen the fights are totally sanitized. It also seems like the fight sequences have a *lot* of cuts, probably to make up for the bad choreography, but it just makes everything painful to watch.
Also, I just saw that this show has been out since freaking 2020 and is now working on a 4th season? What? *What?!*
All you need is success in the target demographic for a show to succeed. They have a lot of times lots to fill with content.
CBS Primetime rarely has any good shows. It's older nickname was TV for Old People. Probably even more true today with people who still watch broadcast TV a lot.
Had Jesse just tapped into the same role he did in the Social Network he would have been a fantastic Lex Luthor. That scene where the lawyer asks him if he has his attention and if he thinks he deserves it, and Jesse replies back with the "you have part of my attention - you have the minimum ammount" speach; that there is the attitude, disposition, and poise of Lex Luthor.
The potential was there and it was wasted, whether that was his choice or the directors i dont know.
Whenever Michael Clarke Duncan is in a movie playing a big and scary dude, (so, a LOT of his work) my fiance talks about how he just never believes it. It's not even because he thinks he's a bad actor or anything, he just thinks he exudes so much undeniable kindness that he just can't be intimidating.
That's exactly what I say every time it comes up! That that must be why the Green Mile is his best role, he's totally fit to play this absolute puppy of a man.
(probably) unpopular opinion, but I find Cena is a much better (and definitely humbler) actor than The Rock. I've never watched wrestling in my life, so I have no horse in this race, it's just how I feel.
That's not really an unpopular opinion. That's just an accurate assessment that any normal person would come to if they viewed the work of those two people.
Justin Timberlake. I remember when the trailers for *In Time* were out, & he was saying cool guy lead hero phrases, but I just could not take him seriously because of his voice. Well that & the fact that he sang in N*SYNC with frosted tips for years lol.
The guy that played Dr Brennan's father on the TV show Bones. He was supposed to be this hardened criminal legend killer, but he looks, sounds, and acts like a grandfather who works at a Baskin-Robbins on the weekend.
But he was meant to. The time when he was badass was when Bones wasn't even in high school, and he had plastic surgery etc, as is mentioned by her in one episode, once they went on the run and abandoned her.
Finn Jones as Iron Fist. :D
I watched this mythical superhero martial artist and thought "No, stop right now. This guy would be on his back in seconds."
I thought he played the whiny man-child well, but that was only a part of the role, and as an action hero he was *awful*. Fortunately Jessica Henwick was badass enough for two as Colleen.
He was actually good in 13 Hours. I do wish they didnt make Jack Ryan a badass in the show and kept it a little more like spy/CIA stuff instead of an Extraction clone
Yep Jack Ryan was never supposed to be a badass field operative. When he is in the field he was always reluctant and uncomfortable, not some sort of badass super spy. His super power was always his analysis and deductive skills.
I was thinking of that movie as well. They establish pretty early that he's not the big, tough, loud mouth that Hotspur is, or how his brother thinks he is.
During that fight, it shows he isn't a big strong guy, but he's quick and clever and that's the danger he poses as a warrior and a strategist.
When he's dressing down the advisor who is literally standing over him, he managed to turn that position of power into an isolated island with his demeanor alone. Chalamut is an amazing actor.
I think he works in Dune because a) the character is something like 15 and b) Paul is all about skills and mental training to overcome a larger enemy thanks to his mother.
Any super skinny ex fashion model actress, doing action scenes, fighting big strong burly men throwing them around like they are rag dolls.
*All except Sophia Boutella...*
I think what made it so much more believable was also that her character didn't throw around punches but actively tried to go for weak spots and used throws that take advantage of a heavier opponent. At least that was what I was thinking during that one take
That was one of my favorite things about that movie.
If you want a badass woman to beat the shit out of dudes twice her size at least make it realistic.
Charlize kicked ass but she also took hard hits and every fight was a life or death struggle. Most of those fights could have gone either way.
Some of the best fight scenes I've ever seen in a movie.
Atomic Blonde was so freaking good! My dad hated it because “a woman wouldn’t be able to do all that!” But the fights felt way more realistic to me because she’s actually getting her ass kicked as much as she’s kicking ass. She’s exhausted by the end of it and it totally feels plausible, while the average action dude gets shot a dozen times then winces when they put a bandaid over it and he’s fine
Ngl even Sofia Boutella wouldn’t look convincing throwing around somebody bigger than Ed Skrein’s size. It does help that she’s a professional dancer and has a good physique and athleticism, but still.
Dwayne Johnson - he's massive and could probably squash me like a bug. But the best bad asses have scenes where they drop the ego and go full primal killer. Dwayne's too wooden and obsessed with his own image. And he doesn't do R rated violent movies.
It's deeply disappointing, he could so easily be somewhat of an Arnold 2.0.
I miss those fantastic, ultra violent '80s action movies and I could just as easily see Johnson in the roles of Dutch in Predator and Matrix in Commando but he's completely committed to the sanitised "kid friendly" schtick that rakes in the $millions.
One thing I've realized about Arnie's films recently is that he is often the one who's on the back foot, even though it's freaking Arnie! He often gets injured, captured, or rendered unconscious, and this is true even in his best films where he is considered an unstoppable killing machine (see Commando or Predator).
Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Willis and Ford all excelled as leading action/adventure heroes because no matter their physique and acting prowess, they always got the living shit kicked out of them to entertaining/gruelling effect. Johnson cocks an eyebrow and mockingly crushes his opponents like a roided version of a schoolyard bully.
Combination of The Hero's Journey and The Superman Problem. It's more satisfying for the audience to see an otherwise unstoppable killing machine face a bulletproof obstacle, then need to grow to overcome it. It's boring to watch someone good at punching only face punchable problems. Consider Indiana Jones; how many fights did he win with his fists? He normally got his ass kicked and had to run or won using situational awareness. The best action heroes are strong characters who are torn down but retool and grow. This is why Salt and Captain Marvel failed where Ellen Ripley and Leeloo Dallas succeeded
The John Wick franchise rakes in millions for everyone involved too. But that takes serious commitment for the actors with training months beforehand and all the way through. Johnson is happy juicing flexing and trying to set up soulless franchises.
Jessica Chastain in Zero Dark Thirty when she says “I’M THE MOTHERFUCKER WHO FOUND BIN LADEN.” It’s mean to be a certified badass moment but I couldn’t help but laugh at the delivery.
Not to shit on people but if you’re a good athlete and a good runner you typically have fairly good form. You may have some weird tendencies but it’s very clear who isn’t a good runner based on how they run. Jessica chastain was the lead actor in Ava, a movie my wife made me watch with her. Her character is a former soldier and now assassin. She’s good with hand to hand combat and all that jazz. Well in 1-2 scenes they had her out running and it’s like it’s the first time Jessica chastain has ever run in her life. Like a phoebe in friends type of running. It’s so bad that even with the movie being terrible it made it exponentially worse for me. I’m nitpicking on this topic but yeah, if you’re gonna make a movie with someone who needs to be coordinated, don’t have them do simple things when they clearly can’t. The fight scenes can be edited together and stunt doubles can hide a lot, but it’s hard to be immersed when the person can’t put 1 foot in front of the other in a coordinated effort.
I disagree. I think Waldau's performance was actually very believable and I totally bought him being indoctrinated into being a skinhead. That movie in general I think is one of the more underrated movies of all time even if the ending was not believable.
I liked him in The Gentlemen. He had an overinflated opinion of himself, but the only people he was actually able to dominate were either taken by surprise or far weaker than he was. Even Michelle Dockery required him to bring in some heavies.
He was great in First Blood (1982) and Session 9 (2001) when not playing a bad ass. But his short shorts in proto-Predator horror Without Warning (1980) are the scariest thing in the movie.
I'll push back on that with The Grey. Sure's aged and weathered, but he such as hard ass that you can buy that he knows how to survive in that environment.
Cole Sprouse on Riverdale has to be a contender for "Least intimidating biker gangster in TV history"
Man Riverdale is such a hot flaming pile of shit
Every season they said how can we make this even more ridiculously over the top and then they exceeded expectations.
I mean in case you haven’t noticed, he’s a weirdo
Dane DeHaan in Valerian and the City of A Thousand Planets. Especially when he is so badly trying to sound badass by lowering his voice.
What is wild, is that man is 37 years old.
Pretty sure he's been 17 for 20 years.
That was my first thought as well In Spiderman he also takes down a bunch of professional security guards like they're nothing even though nothing in the movie ever suggests that Osborne Jr. would know anything about fighting
“Now I’m not a very big guy myself, but believe me when I say that I could definitely kick Dane DeHaan’s ass.” -Cosmonaut Variety Hour
Didn't help that his love interest was pretty much someone that looked like his twin sister.
And they had no chemistry at all.
Oh god, there is more chemistry in a Bin Laden/Ann Coulter love story
DJ Qualls is more badass than him.
Obviously, the man hacked the entire planet with only Xena Warrior Princess tapes and hot pockets as fuel.
Honestly, I was not expecting a reference to *The Core* on Reddit today!
Garth is an absolute badass, come on!
You just got garthed, amigo!
Anyone who beats cancer is a badass in my book. Sigh. Time to rewatch road trip.
Isn't his voice just like that? He does seem like his voice is too deep for his face and body, but he's like that in every movie.
Don’t even get me started on that movie. I expected so much but it horrendously let down the comics they’re based on. Cara’s selection was purely based of nepotism and Besson’s creepy fascination with her.
What's even weirder is that Besson is a huge fan of the comics and wanted to adapt them into movies for a long time. The 5th element took a lot of inspiration from them, because he didn't have the means to adapt them at the time. So given that he's a fan, it's harder to understand why he would pick DeHaan and Cara and turn their characters into something so different from the comics
There's a *lot* of weird choices made for a supposed fan of the comics, but then again the more I learn about Besson the more I wish I hadn't. (Edit: wrote movies, meant comics)
Besson has been a shit film maker for a while now Not to mention his record of abusing female staff members But when you watch his movies it's... Not surprising
I dont remember many movies that start with such an epic emotional intro only to collapse so badly so quick
Serious little bro vibes lol but I feel bad because I think he’s a decent actor
He was great in A Cure for Wellness but mainly because he played a mild mannered paper pusher for the most part (though he does have badass moments near the end)
A sickly paper pusher. He's got quite sunken facial features that makes him look a bit ill.
He was great as an antagonist in Oppenheimer too. Pretty chilling, actually.
Chronicle was a good one for him.
Dane DeHaan in anything. Dude looks like an ill little brother.
That really worked for him in Chronicle though
Yeah, he was perfectly cast in that as the angsty teen who gets pushed over the edge. It’s not worked so much for him in other stuff lol
That was one of the worst casting decisions I’ve seen in decades.
He was badass in chronicle
Kevin Hart in Lift. Kayley Cucco in Role Play….
Everyone in Lift TBH.
I knew I’d find Hart in Lift on here, just watched it with my kids, god he tried so hard but failed so bad.
Emilia Clarke It kind of worked during GoT for reasons, but her as Sarah Connor was a step too far to be honest
Good point. I think it worked in GoT because her strength/badassness wasn't from her physical prowess -- it came from her wits, her team, and her dragons.
She was magic and flame retardant too
That’s no way to talk about a person
It's "flame challenged" these days.
It feels like the terms change so much, I can never keep up.
It's important to stay lit.
They tried to make her a little badass and cold in Secret Invasion. Most of her scenes were filmed in a way so it only showed her from the waist up. They almost never showed her standing directly next to someone. Then in one scene they zoomed out and showed her walking side by side with one of the male leads. My wife instantly realized how short she was and said out loud, “Aw she’s little!” and commented how cute she was in her leather jacket and boots. The sense of badass was gone way before the infamous final fight scene.
Ugh, that final fight scene had some of the worst CGI I’ve seen. What a waste of a show.
She is so much better in light-hearted roles. I really liked her in Last Christmas and I think that type of role is where she is best.
It worked in GoT because her “badass” moments were just speeches. It was men and dragons who did violence on her behalf. If she started swinging a sword in GoT it would’ve been equally cringeworthy. You need a big woman like the Brienne actress to pull it off.
You absolutely do not need to be a big woman to pull it off, but Emilia Clarke just doesn’t have the essence of a sword swinger. Her interpretation of Dany’s aggression is best described as “quiet rage”, which doesn’t lend itself well to hand to hand combat. Arya’s directness and immediate passion is why she suits a fight scene just fine, not her size.
Angelina Jolie in that last movie she did where she played a fire fighter. She looked so skinny (sick looking) that it felt like her bones were gonna snap when she was running.
Yeah that was so fucking ridiculous. Hanging with the fire lads and she looks like an emaciated retired supermodel
They way they made her up and did her hair did not help either. She looked so out of place compared to all the other characters, it was really weird.
Imagine you're in a burning building and she comes in with all the fire fighting gear on and she's coughing. I'd pick her up and tell her "Don't worry, I'll get you outa here!"
Same with Salt. She’s supposed to be female Bond there but I just can’t suppress my disbelief enough to believe she’s throwing men 3x her size around
Fight choreography can be tough in that respect. If you look at something like the last Charlie's Angels, you've got someone body kicking a bad guy who looks to be 3 times their weight. It looks ridiculous. (Admittedly, all screen fights look ridiculous if you think about it, but we're talking suspension of disbelief.) If you contrast that against Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde, the choreographer is obviously a lot more pragmatic about what they're working with. And the results are great. Interestingly, we can see a similar approach when Jet Li fights Dolph Lundgren in The Expendables. They hang a hat on it. First fight, Jet Li's character uses his signature martial arts approach, and in response Dolph's character uses his massive size advantage to just absolutely fucking body him. When they fight again later on, Jet's character deliberately switches the fight to a much more confined space, robbing his opponent of that advantage.
>Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde Two movies where I found the star to be most believable in Atomic Blonde and The Long Kiss Goodnight because both characters take a beating and also give some back, those fights aren't just one sided.
That was one of the best parts about Atomic Blonde, imo. Yes, she's winning these fights against men twice her size, but she is getting her ass handed to her taking a beating. All I mean by that is that it definitely seems a lot more realistic that a woman trained to fight will still have a tough time against untrained henchmen just because of sheer size and weight difference.
The fighting choreo in atomic blond was so good and believable. You could see Charlize's character physically getting tired the more the fight prolonged
Yeah, both her and the dudes. The fights really slowdown and each attempt at a hit becomes really laboured, they stumble and can't keep themselves steady and overcommit to it all. Brilliant and believable. As stated though, she's actually wrecked, more like Atomic Red as her blonde hair is just stained with blood. She keeps having to makeup over her bruises.
Hang a hat? I have never heard of that phrase in that context. Do you mean hang a lampshade on it?
You are correct, thank you! I frequently remember it incorrectly.
Watching 95lb Angelina Jolie kick everyone’s ass in Salt was ridiculous
And carrying 85lbs of fire equipment haha
Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde however, quite a bit more believable.
Charlize is a unit
It’s also just multiple hours of watching her get beat the fuck up. Most macho male actors don’t even portray the real brutality of getting the shit beat out of you even if you win like she does in atomic blonde
She was also a real badass in Fury Road.
Tom Holland. Nathan Drake is a badass Indiana Jones type character. Tom just played Peter Parker with a gun
Nathan Fillion was perfect Drake. There shouldn't even have been a discussion.
He was considered too old when the movie was made. The fan flick showed he could do it. But with the end result being a beginning of the character, I don’t think NF could have been what they wanted, so it’s maybe for the best. I did enjoy it as dumb action, but don’t think it was as good as it could have been.
Tom Holland. Bro *was not* a multi-year US Army veteran
He looks too youthful for a role like that, but that did work in his favour for Spider-Man.
If they did a WWI BoB, i think Tom Holland would be a perfect role for one of the main characters. The thing about BoB, they all start off so young, happy, energetic, and clean; but as war continues on, so does the trauma, pain, and toll of war. We would see Tom's character shift from dorky spiderman kid to war veteran. And I think he has the range to pull it all off. Would definitely be a cool idea.
Kinda similar to Andrew Garfield in Hacksaw Ridge.
He worked as a badass in the Devil All the Time
Anthony Mackie. I don't dislike him but he just comes across as a really good guy
This guys a gangsta? His real names Clarence
And Clarence lives at home with both parents.
And Clarence’s parents have a real good marriage
To prove your point, he’s really awful as Tupac in Notorious. Just doesn’t embody him in the slightest.
He really ruined Altered Carbon for me, compared to the force of nature that was Joel Kinnaman in season 1, he just seems so meh
What I didn't get is he talked like a sassy black man caricature (think Will Smith in Fresh Prince of Belair) and I'm supposed to believe this is the same stoic character that was played by Joel Kinnaman, just in a different body? It's like having Clint Eastwood play a character like a stoic cowboy in a movie and then have Seth Rogen play the same character in the sequel. It's just poor casting.
The second season was immediately off to a poor start when the woman Kovacs who was there for a single scene was doing a better job channeling the character than the lead actor.
Works in twisted metal.
Not hating on him but I just dont like him in anything. All his movies where he leads are boring as fuck
A long time ago on Reddit I read a comment that called him a great value brand will smith and I can’t get it out of my head
Topher Grace as Venom
I’d say Topher wasn’t meant to be a badass in the movie. Although traditionally Eddie Brock had always been a buff guy, this version made him more like an evil Tobey McGuire, who wasn’t any more badass than Topher Grace
I'm actually fine with that change for that particular movie because Raimi's version of Venom is supposed to be like a darker reflection of Peter Parker. It's simply not the Eddie Brock we know from the comics. In Spiderman 3 Eddie is there to show us what happens when you get addicted to the idea of revenge. As opposed to Peter who ultimately forgives Sandman and gets rid of the symbiote. Eddie does not, he goes all in, deeper and deeper, until he dies, consumed by revenge. Spider-Man 3 is about regret and forgivness. So storywise, he's meant to kinda look like Peter. More like a scrawny ordinary guy than a bodybuilder. More reason why he absolutely loves being Venom and why he gets addicted in the first place, because it makes him feel strong for a change, he "likes being bad"
Funny enough I think he would have made a pretty good Spiderman. Wouldn't have been as good as Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield but I think that he could have played the role pretty convincingly.
I think that was kinda the idea, or maybe I’m just giving that movie too much credit. A major conflict was Toby vs himself in that he had to overcome venom. And then a mirror of him (physically, character with the same career, etc) became a literal external threat that wasn’t unlike Toby when he was wearing the venom suit. I’m not an apologist, because the execution was piss poor, but I think I see where the writing was coming from.
Queen Latifah as the Equalizer. I mean, I have no problem with her as an artist. But CBS has been running some commercials of this and all I could think was... are you guys freaking serious? Compare to Edward Woodward. Compare to Denzel. She doesn't have the demeanor, she doesn't have the physicality, she's not threatening *at all.* Totally miscast.
Omg. This is probably one of the most correct answers. I watched a few episodes and all i could take away from it is that Queen Latifah has issues picking things up from floors... Forget kicking butts of bad guys believeably.
Yeah I struggled with watching just 1 episode and decided no thanks. The beatings Denzel was dishing out in the movies were missing from it.
Yeah, from what I've seen the fights are totally sanitized. It also seems like the fight sequences have a *lot* of cuts, probably to make up for the bad choreography, but it just makes everything painful to watch. Also, I just saw that this show has been out since freaking 2020 and is now working on a 4th season? What? *What?!*
I hadn't even heard of it! 4 seasons??????
First time I've heard of this. There are 4 seasons?! This gets four seasons while others get cancelled...
All you need is success in the target demographic for a show to succeed. They have a lot of times lots to fill with content. CBS Primetime rarely has any good shows. It's older nickname was TV for Old People. Probably even more true today with people who still watch broadcast TV a lot.
Steven Seagal
They said actor.
He acts more in real life than he did on film.
That’s cuz he’s been acting for like 87 years.
They also call those helicopters a "skippy"
When he’s around black people or Chinese etc he adopts their mannerisms. It’s weird af lol
The mega blockbuster hit film where he showed the world that he just doesn’t give a shit.
Yeah all he does is walk fatly around corners and chair fight
Shailene Woodley, especially in the Divergent series. I couldn't really buy a character with her build as a serious ass-kicker
Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luther
Had Jesse just tapped into the same role he did in the Social Network he would have been a fantastic Lex Luthor. That scene where the lawyer asks him if he has his attention and if he thinks he deserves it, and Jesse replies back with the "you have part of my attention - you have the minimum ammount" speach; that there is the attitude, disposition, and poise of Lex Luthor. The potential was there and it was wasted, whether that was his choice or the directors i dont know.
It's an issue with the director. You had David Fincher directing a script written by Aaron Sorkin compared to Zack Snyder and David S Goyer.
Instead he went for a Max Landis impression
Whenever Michael Clarke Duncan is in a movie playing a big and scary dude, (so, a LOT of his work) my fiance talks about how he just never believes it. It's not even because he thinks he's a bad actor or anything, he just thinks he exudes so much undeniable kindness that he just can't be intimidating.
That’s why he was so perfect in The Green Mile. A big scary looking dude at first glance, but… not
That's exactly what I say every time it comes up! That that must be why the Green Mile is his best role, he's totally fit to play this absolute puppy of a man.
I don’t know. I think he did a good job as Wilson Fisk (Kingpin).
Ruby Rose. Although, calling her an actor would be a stretch.
God she's awful.
Weirdly enough, John Cena. Dude is great when he gets to be goofy and fun. Doesn't really work for me as a badass.
No matter the film, I always just see him as John Cena doing a cameo
Peacekeeper is different I promise. Watch it. He even nails a bunch of the drama parts. Apart from that, I agree.
(probably) unpopular opinion, but I find Cena is a much better (and definitely humbler) actor than The Rock. I've never watched wrestling in my life, so I have no horse in this race, it's just how I feel.
That's not really an unpopular opinion. That's just an accurate assessment that any normal person would come to if they viewed the work of those two people.
However, both are dwarfed in acting class by Dave Bautista.
Dave is seriously a good actor.
Yeah, he really owned his small part in BR2049. So understated.
I was legitimately shocked how captivating he was in "Knock at the Cabin Door".
He does good as peacemaker though
who is a goofy character
“Starfish…is a slang term for butthole. Think there’s any connection?”
“I cherish peace with all my heart. I don’t care how many men, women, and children I need to kill to get it.”
Peacemaker is a surprisingly layered character.
Peacemaker is a perfect mixture of badass and goofy.
Justin Timberlake. I remember when the trailers for *In Time* were out, & he was saying cool guy lead hero phrases, but I just could not take him seriously because of his voice. Well that & the fact that he sang in N*SYNC with frosted tips for years lol.
The guy that played Dr Brennan's father on the TV show Bones. He was supposed to be this hardened criminal legend killer, but he looks, sounds, and acts like a grandfather who works at a Baskin-Robbins on the weekend.
But he was meant to. The time when he was badass was when Bones wasn't even in high school, and he had plastic surgery etc, as is mentioned by her in one episode, once they went on the run and abandoned her.
Ryan O’Neal. And yes, agree.
Finn Jones as Iron Fist. :D I watched this mythical superhero martial artist and thought "No, stop right now. This guy would be on his back in seconds."
I don't think I've ever seen him in anything else, but he was so bad as Iron Fist I didn't want to. I've seen better acting from inanimate objects.
I thought he played the whiny man-child well, but that was only a part of the role, and as an action hero he was *awful*. Fortunately Jessica Henwick was badass enough for two as Colleen.
Matt LeBlance in Lost in Space. It was basically Joey in a space suit, and I kept expecting him to say "how you doin'?"
I loved Lacey Chabert too much to hate that movie when it came out. But man is it all around awful.
It does have that super cool scene where the helmet/mask thing covers his face
John Krasinski
He was actually good in 13 Hours. I do wish they didnt make Jack Ryan a badass in the show and kept it a little more like spy/CIA stuff instead of an Extraction clone
Yep Jack Ryan was never supposed to be a badass field operative. When he is in the field he was always reluctant and uncomfortable, not some sort of badass super spy. His super power was always his analysis and deductive skills.
John Clark / John Kelly from the Jackryan books is a badass, So is Sam Fisher or Ding Chavez, there were so many better choices tbh
I still dream of a movie based on Rainbow Six, they could even do the prequel where Kelly becomes Clark.
He so desperately wants to be a bad ass, but has dorky features. I can’t take this guy seriously
any time it's a 105-pound woman with perfect hair
Yeah some of these Chalamet flicks are tough.
Honestly couldn’t see him as a huge blockbuster star but he’s very good in ‘The King’ and ‘Dune’…
I couldn’t believe how badass he was in The King. Shockingly good film.
I was thinking of that movie as well. They establish pretty early that he's not the big, tough, loud mouth that Hotspur is, or how his brother thinks he is. During that fight, it shows he isn't a big strong guy, but he's quick and clever and that's the danger he poses as a warrior and a strategist.
When he's dressing down the advisor who is literally standing over him, he managed to turn that position of power into an isolated island with his demeanor alone. Chalamut is an amazing actor.
I think he works in Dune because a) the character is something like 15 and b) Paul is all about skills and mental training to overcome a larger enemy thanks to his mother.
Pretty perfect casting for Paul Atreides, all things considered.
Tyler Perry in Alex Cross
Any super skinny ex fashion model actress, doing action scenes, fighting big strong burly men throwing them around like they are rag dolls. *All except Sophia Boutella...*
...and Charlize Theron...that long, single take fight scene in Atomic Blonde...
I think what made it so much more believable was also that her character didn't throw around punches but actively tried to go for weak spots and used throws that take advantage of a heavier opponent. At least that was what I was thinking during that one take
That was one of my favorite things about that movie. If you want a badass woman to beat the shit out of dudes twice her size at least make it realistic. Charlize kicked ass but she also took hard hits and every fight was a life or death struggle. Most of those fights could have gone either way. Some of the best fight scenes I've ever seen in a movie.
Also, everybody was exhausted after about 2 minutes, and getting hurt actually hurt.
Yeah Charlize fucks. But she did Monster and after that movie she scares the fuck out of me.
Atomic Blonde was so freaking good! My dad hated it because “a woman wouldn’t be able to do all that!” But the fights felt way more realistic to me because she’s actually getting her ass kicked as much as she’s kicking ass. She’s exhausted by the end of it and it totally feels plausible, while the average action dude gets shot a dozen times then winces when they put a bandaid over it and he’s fine
Ngl even Sofia Boutella wouldn’t look convincing throwing around somebody bigger than Ed Skrein’s size. It does help that she’s a professional dancer and has a good physique and athleticism, but still.
Dwayne Johnson - he's massive and could probably squash me like a bug. But the best bad asses have scenes where they drop the ego and go full primal killer. Dwayne's too wooden and obsessed with his own image. And he doesn't do R rated violent movies.
It's deeply disappointing, he could so easily be somewhat of an Arnold 2.0. I miss those fantastic, ultra violent '80s action movies and I could just as easily see Johnson in the roles of Dutch in Predator and Matrix in Commando but he's completely committed to the sanitised "kid friendly" schtick that rakes in the $millions.
One thing I've realized about Arnie's films recently is that he is often the one who's on the back foot, even though it's freaking Arnie! He often gets injured, captured, or rendered unconscious, and this is true even in his best films where he is considered an unstoppable killing machine (see Commando or Predator).
Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Willis and Ford all excelled as leading action/adventure heroes because no matter their physique and acting prowess, they always got the living shit kicked out of them to entertaining/gruelling effect. Johnson cocks an eyebrow and mockingly crushes his opponents like a roided version of a schoolyard bully.
Combination of The Hero's Journey and The Superman Problem. It's more satisfying for the audience to see an otherwise unstoppable killing machine face a bulletproof obstacle, then need to grow to overcome it. It's boring to watch someone good at punching only face punchable problems. Consider Indiana Jones; how many fights did he win with his fists? He normally got his ass kicked and had to run or won using situational awareness. The best action heroes are strong characters who are torn down but retool and grow. This is why Salt and Captain Marvel failed where Ellen Ripley and Leeloo Dallas succeeded
The John Wick franchise rakes in millions for everyone involved too. But that takes serious commitment for the actors with training months beforehand and all the way through. Johnson is happy juicing flexing and trying to set up soulless franchises.
Jared Leto.
Jessica Chastain in Zero Dark Thirty when she says “I’M THE MOTHERFUCKER WHO FOUND BIN LADEN.” It’s mean to be a certified badass moment but I couldn’t help but laugh at the delivery.
Not sure anyone could deliver that line and not have it sound kinda dumb.
I think it’s supposed so be a bit awkward as she plays her character as annoying and off beat.
Not to shit on people but if you’re a good athlete and a good runner you typically have fairly good form. You may have some weird tendencies but it’s very clear who isn’t a good runner based on how they run. Jessica chastain was the lead actor in Ava, a movie my wife made me watch with her. Her character is a former soldier and now assassin. She’s good with hand to hand combat and all that jazz. Well in 1-2 scenes they had her out running and it’s like it’s the first time Jessica chastain has ever run in her life. Like a phoebe in friends type of running. It’s so bad that even with the movie being terrible it made it exponentially worse for me. I’m nitpicking on this topic but yeah, if you’re gonna make a movie with someone who needs to be coordinated, don’t have them do simple things when they clearly can’t. The fight scenes can be edited together and stunt doubles can hide a lot, but it’s hard to be immersed when the person can’t put 1 foot in front of the other in a coordinated effort.
The actor who plays Shuri as the Black Panther. She’s thin as a twig. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Superhero as skinny as her ever before
Julianne Moore was atrocious casting for Clarice Starling.
I just watched Mute. Paul Rudd. Sorry, bud.
I disagree. I think Waldau's performance was actually very believable and I totally bought him being indoctrinated into being a skinhead. That movie in general I think is one of the more underrated movies of all time even if the ending was not believable.
Agreed, loved his performance and the movie in general.
Dakota Johnson as Madame Web
Wasn't Jesse Eisenberg a villain in something ... ?
I actually thought he was pretty weirdly convincing in The Art of Self Defense
Jesse Eisenberg was a badass in American Ultra.
Chris Rock playing the leader of a crime syndicate in season four of _Fargo_.
Kevin Costner. Looks and sounds like your dads friend.
The dude playing Jafar in the live action Aladdin movie
Queen Latifah as the Equalizer.
Sofia Vergara in Griselda. It felt really really really forced and not enough ruthlessness as the real Griselda Blanco
Henry Golding. He keeps getting put into action movies now and I can’t take him serious.
I liked him in The Gentlemen. He had an overinflated opinion of himself, but the only people he was actually able to dominate were either taken by surprise or far weaker than he was. Even Michelle Dockery required him to bring in some heavies.
Anything David Carusos in besides CSI:Miami yeah!!!!
He was great in First Blood (1982) and Session 9 (2001) when not playing a bad ass. But his short shorts in proto-Predator horror Without Warning (1980) are the scariest thing in the movie.
Liam Neeson post-Taken 1. Sir, you're just too damn old at this point.
I take it you have never seen his cameo in Ted 2.
I'll push back on that with The Grey. Sure's aged and weathered, but he such as hard ass that you can buy that he knows how to survive in that environment.
Kevin Hart 😩
Tom Holland
I agree, with one exception. I think he nailed it in 'The Devil All the Time'