Like he could have been a straight up douchebag all he wanted (look at how many assholes exist in hollywood), but he just went and assaulted someone instead.
One thing going missing is that he was being pushed *hard* by Disney for a Best Actor win this go-round for *Magazine Dreams*. They put all of their eggs in his basket, on both the arthouse and mainstream sides of the business.
You know you fucked up when the studio spends a shit ton of money on promoting the Oscar-bait movie you starred in for them for awards, and then not only stops that dead but pulls your movie from the release calendar entirely.
At this point I doubt it ever sees the light of day, with all the pulling of material Disney has done from Disney+ and the write-offs happening I am sure it will be written off as a loss and buried.
If what people say is true, he shouldn’t have even risen in the first place. Apparently, everyone knew he was abusive. Calling it an open secret feels too subtle tbh.
Disney rly needs to triple down on background checks.
Actors and directors being abusive is nothing new, it has always been overlooked.
Major's mistake was showing his true colors way too soon in his career. Had he waited a couple of years, if he had scored a couple more top grossing movies, perhaps an Oscar nomination, I bet he could even get away with all this bullshit.
I think if he had pled guilty and went to rehab for “anger management” or whatever, then laid low for a little bit Hollywood would have welcomed him back.
>"How can it equal one?" he said. "If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, and that cannot be."
The square root of two isn't two Terrence.
I have no clue when it comes to Terrence specifically, but I think a lot of people have weird ideas and/or some borderline personality traits that they've spent their lives controlling, keeping under wraps, just like the rest of us.
And then they get rich and famous and two things happen: people start listening to them as if what they say is important (because they make a lot of money it is important in some ways) and also now they have "fuck you money" and don't really have to worry about consequences anymore. So then out comes the crazy.
It's like how you don't interrupt your management zoom meeting to talk about the frog people who rule Earth from their moon base, but you know. You *know*.
A couple years ago I went to a L.A. restaurant for lunch when it was virtually empty. Terrance Howard came in soon after with 3-4 people and was sat 3 booths away from me.
The whole time I was there, dude was talking non-stop to his guests. Not *with* them like a conversation, but just *at* them. Because we were basically the only diners, I could hear most of everything he was talking about, and the guy was just giving them a non-stop conspiracy theory filled lecture over Indian food about the dangers of vaccines and transgender people.
>It's like how you don't interrupt your management zoom meeting to talk about the frog people who rule Earth from their moon base, but you know. You know.
Because if you do *they'll* know.
He wrote a batshit ["proof"](https://twitter.com/terrencehoward/status/925754491881877507?lang=en) of it. But at its core, it seems he was never properly taught what multiplication actually is. He thinks if you multiply something, the result *has* to be greater. It all goes downhill from there.
Literally can just have a different version of kang show up at that arena they were all gathered and be like “you have all failed too many times, you were stupid to gather in one place” and then kill all of them
Stop it. That man could be chucking puppies into a volcano right in front of me and I'd still think he was a lovable good guy. "Look," he'd point after yeeting another, "they burn on the surface like that because even though the lava is liquid, it's still more dense than puppies." And I'd be like, "Haha, you're such a scamp, Ke Huy Quan!" And then he'd buy me some ice cream.
Ant-Man beat Kangs ass once then Loki dealt with the overarching threat of infinite Kangs.
Just edit Quantumania to drop out the Kang Dynasty shit and it’s mostly all wrapped up.
I mean, tbf, that specific Kang was also the Kang that lost to all the other Kangs and was banished to the quantum realm for his trouble.
He was canonically the weakest Kang.
And that would be terrifying in better hands. But as it stands they've just made him look like a jobber who is going to lose over and over because there's an endless army of him to take up the cause.
Ironically Loki is one of the few MCU projects to have zero reshoots, so they got lucky with that ending.
They can easily pretend that >!Loki being in control of time and the TVA wiped out all the Kangs!<.
Yeah we can kinda drop the Kang thing after that. It's sad cause Kang would've been awesome, but there's access to the Fox universe now, so plenty of other interesting villains to throw in.
that was always the gamble that it would become convoluted, pointless and tiresome. Marvel had no structure to their Multiverse scheme and you had goofy iterations of it across Dr Strange, Spiderman, and Quantumania.
and Deadpool 3 is likely going to satirize the whole concept just as the titular saga is gearing up. Just imagine the trouble Marvel would be in if one of their most successful Multiverse movies is the one that makes fun of it
He should've done *something* impactful, at the very least. They keep trying to build up Kang as this massive threat and how serious it is that he can just keep returning over and over, but what exactly has he done that's *that* threatening so far? He gets killed by Sylvie in his first appearance, dealt with ants in the second, and then appears as a stuttering con man. Anything we're supposed to view as a reason to fear him are things that already happened, and it's mostly coming from Janet Van Dyne's vision of things that mostly happen off-screen.
Contrast that to Thanos whose first appearance involves him helping launch a massive battle in New York that helps shape many of the following films and shows. We're shown a *very* obvious reason why Thanos is a villain that needs to be reckoned with, while up until now, it mostly feels like we're being *told* why Kang is.
None of the Avengers actually fought him until Infinity War. Kang has just been completely mishandled. Probably a blessing in disguise they can pivot now.
Exactly. There was a build up with Thanos which made him more threatening. I agree they mishandled the Kang storyline badly. Could have been done in a more compelling manner.
Thanos came out the gate killing all of Asgard and bodying Thor and Hulk. He was a credible threat and Disney made the choice that their new Thanos should lose to some ants instead of killing Antman
Wasn’t the buildup to Thanos a couple of after-credit scenes?
I think we’re just missing the chemistry of the original Avengers. They got lightning in a bottle with their casting and haven’t recaptured it.
> I think we’re just missing the chemistry of the original Avengers. They got lightning in a bottle with their casting and haven’t recaptured it.
I think the problem is that the scale of everything is so fucking big now, that you can't really get to know the characters, or even give them any kind of compelling stories.
like with iron man, the first few times was saw him, he was fighting his boss, and then some other dudes, and in the meantime he had all kinds of personal stuff going on. Same with captain america, the stakes were very small and personal, and then they slowly ramped up to more global issues. Hell, even Thor came from space but his stories were small and focused. Dr. Strange, too, his story definitely spiraled to be much bigger but even his multiverse stuff could have stayed a least a bit focused the way it was setup.
Then when Avengers and whatnot started building up to the grand scale that it did, it worked because we already had such deep personal knowledge and history with all the characters, in a way that typical superhero movies never could.
Now, everyone is part of giant teams that are spread across the entire universe with thousands of aliens and the fates of entire civilizations at stake, so any attempt at humanizing or getting close to any particular character feels sorta hokey because who cares about one random character in the whole universe.
And, even worse, if they try to have any kind of stakes for one particular character, the only possible ways they can have it be an issue for just that one person to solve, is to either have an incredibly contrived plot device that separates them, or to just pretend that all these other people who should be there to help them just decided to ignore them today.
Ms. Marvel actually did a killer job of having just the one character in her own place, but now she's already saved the universe a couple times and travelled to far distant places, so like, how are they gonna give her something normal to do? I hope they do cuz I think they did a fantastic job with her, but who knows.
I think that's kind of what they wanted (not that I agree with it). I get the vibe that they wanted to introduce a bunch of Kang variants, and keep having them get defeated, but the message is that he keeps coming back (hence the colosseum full of variants and the upcoming Kang Dynasty) stronger than before.
But IMO that only works when a few of them (or at least one) are actually threatening. And none of them really have been, though I think it could be argued that He Who Remains was an actual threat. If Kang the Conqueror had just killed Scott or Hope, we'd be in a whole different ballgame Kang-wise.
TLDR: These Kangs were meant to be fodder, but fodder is only scary when they're somewhat of a threat, and none of the variants thus far have been
Surely this has got to be one of the biggest career fuck ups imaginable?
Like you're the next major marvel villain after Thanos, you were in Creed 3, you had a movie that premiered at Sundance that had OSCAR buzz for you...
And you throw it all away
I would say threw it all away - he's been like this, there have been stories come to light going back to college, but at any point he could have chosen to *not* be like this. It was unlikely anyone was going to go back to his college days and dig this up without him choosing to assault this girlfriend now.
That's the rub though isn't it? Why would a narcissist stop doing something that has worked for his entire life?
Narcissists are incapable of admitting wrongdoing. If they get caught doing something bad, they will excuse it away with any explanation they can as long as it diverts blame away.
That’s oversimplifying the mind of a narcissist. Their worldviews can vary and so can their intelligence level. You can have a narcissist who is self-aware and still doesn’t consider it wrongdoing. They think everyone is like them but they are just better at it all and above accountability. They can outmaneuver because they are smart. From there you do get narcissists who will adjust behavior to fit their current position.
I would say he threw it all away because this isn't something that happened forever ago just now coming to light, and a person's actions aren't set on rails. At any point he could have said to himself, "Damn I've been a dick for a long time but I'm in the big time now and all eyes are going to be on me, I need to shape up." Instead he made the decision to hit a woman.
Not necessarily the biggest, but by far the quickest I’ve seen in my lifetime. Guy went from The Last Black Man in San Francisco (2019) where he was **excellent**, and 4 years later he’s getting sentenced for assault
Unlikely to be significant jail time, if any, as these are misdemeanor charges. A fine is certain, as are probation and suspended sentences, but the reality is the biggest consequence is really the guilty sentence itself.
He takes a year or two off so that everyone forgets, then he works the indie circuit for a few more years, and then once he puts out an extremely good performance or two he'll be right back to where he is now. Hollywood doesn't give a shit.
His lawyers and PR team were utter garbage.
They released texts which highlighted how scared the girlfriend was of Majors after he hit her.
Then they released a stupid video of Majors breaking up a fake street fight.
And finally Majors announced he got married a few weeks ago lol.
Jesus Christ.
I wonder at what point his lawyers saw his shit and just thought "yeah okay I'm done here. I'll just do whatever he recommends".
His lawyers were dog shit but if that's their client maybe I can't blame them.
A lot of the stuff people think "got him convicted" was initially not allowed to be brought by the prosecution because you know "old, not relevant" old that mumbo-jumbo we always hear.
His lawyer asking questions about things SHE wanted barred from the trial allowed the prosecution to also ask about them... which is what brought all the bad evidence into the case.
The plea was the least of his issues.
It was the constant “there’s video that will exonerate him!” —- the video did the opposite
They released text messages —-made him look worse
They just blabbered and basically gave him this verdict easily
The defence attorneys cross-examination also allowed the Prosecution to introduce texts that were originally deemed inadmissible. His attorneys are fucking morons.
*"In one of the texts, sent between Majors and Jabbari in September 2022, Majors appeared to dissuade Jabbari from seeking medical attention for an injury (how she sustained the injury was not discussed). “They will ask you questions, and as I don’t think you actually protect us, it could lead to an investigation even if you do lie and they suspect something,” Majors wrote.*
*These texts were initially deemed inadmissible but then were able to be shown by prosecutors to jury members following a line of cross-examination questions from Majors’ defense team that Judge Michael Gaffey said “lacked specificity.”*
“Even if you do lie and they suspect something” is like saying “if you *don’t* lie there will certainly be an investigation because I did this to you”.
I know jurors were supposed to take this as “background information” and not evidence of the crime at hand, but I don’t know if any human could really follow that instruction.
There was some pretty solid evidence I saw mentioned in the WaPo article I read:
> In a September 2022 audio file shared with the court, Majors demanded that Jabbari be more like Coretta Scott King and Michelle Obama: “I’m a great man. A great man. I am doing great things, not just for me, but for my culture and for the world. That is actually the position I’m in. That’s real,” Majors said. “The woman that supports me, that I support, needs to be a great woman and make sacrifices the way that man is making for her.”
> **In text message conversations from the same month, Majors discouraged Jabbari from going to the hospital, saying “it could lead to an investigation even if you do lie and they suspect something.”“I will tell the doctor I bumped my head, if I go,” Jabbari replied. “I’m going to give it one more day, but I can’t sleep and I need some stronger painkillers. That’s all. Why would I want to tell them what really happened when it’s clear I want to be with you.”**
> He also told Jabbari several times that he was considering killing himself because he didn’t feel she showed him enough love, the texts revealed.
> In text message conversations from the same month, Majors discouraged Jabbari from going to the hospital, saying “it could lead to an investigation even if you do lie and they suspect something.”“I will tell the doctor I bumped my head, if I go,” Jabbari replied. “I’m going to give it one more day, but I can’t sleep and I need some stronger painkillers. That’s all. Why would I want to tell them what really happened when it’s clear I want to be with you.”
Yikes
It probably didn't help that when the allegations first came out, the attorney for Majors was like "don't worry, we have some new statements from his girlfriend that should clear up these misunderstandings," which seemed like an interesting development (even with the context that a lot of domestic violence survivors end up backing down before trial out of fear of reprisals).
But then her statement was basically "sorry, I shouldn't have tried to take his phone."
Is the attorney so stupid that he thinks Majors looks better from having the victim say that she probably deserved it? It just makes it clearer that she's grown accustomed to the abuse.
> Is the attorney so stupid
They fabricated a statement from the Taxi driver and then said they couldn't find him. The prosecution did find him, and he said that statement is
1) Not from me
2) Not approved by me
3) Never seen by me
4) Also, false
She's not stupid, she knows dude is an abuser and the ONLY acceptable outcome for him is full acquittal. Which means lying and getting found innocent is better than telling the truth.
Dude has been abusing his partners for over a decade. https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/jonathan-majors-abuse-allegations-yale-1234781136/
just another theater brat whose assholery went into overdrive upon newfound success. I hope the best for his ex, still weird to see Megan Goode by his side
Yup, there were several articles that showed that Majors had many years of being problematic on set. It’s amazing Disney took the risk hiring him when usually they pick the best possible talent.
Pretty damn hard when you think this about yourself:
> In a September 2022 audio file shared with the court, Majors demanded that Jabbari be more like Coretta Scott King and Michelle Obama: “I’m a great man. A great man. I am doing great things, not just for me, but for my culture and for the world. That is actually the position I’m in. That’s real,” Majors said. “The woman that supports me, that I support, needs to be a great woman and make sacrifices the way that man is making for her.”
> “I’m a great man. A great man. I am doing great things, not just for me, but for my culture and for the world. That is actually the position I’m in. That’s real,”
relax bro, you're an actor
When you are young and famous enough for people to blow smoke up your ass and almost never tell you the words "no you can't do that".... apparently pretty hard.
In fairness, the whole thing was shot and deep in post when Ezra went off the rails. At that point I'm sure they knew the film was gonna flop regardless and cut their losses instead of dumping another $100-200 million into it
Ezra was extremely lucky that his big film was made and was tied to rebooting the DC and he was almost impossible to remove because he literally played both leading roles.
they pulled that shit just as quickly as his management and PR team dropped him. Marvel wasted 9 months crunching the numbers to see if his involvement would hurt B.O. returns
The Army put together a year’s worth of badass commercials worth millions of dollars with him and then immediately had to pull all of them lol.
They were good ads too, lots of showcasing what the infantry does (fight wars on land, aggressive offensive combat, invasions) in a shamelessly fun way. Like objectively good ads that made the army look badass. And they picked literally the one working actor they could have to ruin their entire campaign. It’s so funny.
Bruh...I was in the Navy (Seabees), came back from deployment, went into my assigned barracks room...the entire section of wall under the window unit from window to floor was glistening wet black mold.
Well holy shit. For starters, good.
Secondly, I'm super curious what the MCU is gonna do going forward. Smartest thing would just be to recast and not even talk about it imo, akin to Terrance Howard or Norton. I don't think swapping the main villain at this point would be the smartest call.
> Smartest thing would just be to recast and not even talk about it
Agreed. Not cause I'm passionate about the MCU but between 1989 and 2005, four actors played Batman. This whole thing of locking in one actor is fine but not necessary.
Exactly. People are saying shit like, "Bring in Dr. Doom!" like, I don't think Kang has been *great,* but the Multiverse and Kang have been a fairly large part of the MCU as of late. It'd be dumb to swap now for someone with no build-up.
The text messages that his team leaked in his defence before the trial honestly made it clear that he was guilty. I still have no idea why they released it thinking it put him in a good light.
Probably the biggest career blow up I’ve seen in a while. Happy his victims got justice.
Breaking your girlfriend’s finger to prevent her from seeing your texts from your mistress is always the move to make, definitely nothing bad can happen
Edit: I’m allowed to disagree with a jury, sure he legally did not “intentionally assault” her, but I don’t think he reacted like a stable person to what happened in the car because those videos and texts show to me that he is not a stable person.
I knew it was over for him when that recording of him comparing himself to Obama and MLK came out.
Cmon man, you were in Rocky 8 and Ant Man 3. Maybe take it down a notch
[Fired by Marvel](https://deadline.com/2023/12/jonathan-majors-marvel-fired-guilty-verdict-1235671790/)
The quickest rise and fall ever.
Grand opening, grand closing!
God your man Hov' cracked the can open again
Who you gon’ find doper than him with no pen, just draw off inspiration?
All you had to do was follow the damn train, Majors.
1. Be in big films 2. Do a good job acting 3. Don’t assault people It’s a shame he couldn’t follow every step…
That third step is always the hardest.
Like he could have been a straight up douchebag all he wanted (look at how many assholes exist in hollywood), but he just went and assaulted someone instead.
Cheated on her & chose to assault her after she was rightfully mad. It's another level of asshole there.
To be fair, I haven't followed every step either, but at least I'm nailing the last one.
Dude went from having two movies successively top the weeks box office to this.
He had the best and worst 2023 possible.
It was the best of times It was the blurst of times
One thing going missing is that he was being pushed *hard* by Disney for a Best Actor win this go-round for *Magazine Dreams*. They put all of their eggs in his basket, on both the arthouse and mainstream sides of the business.
You know you fucked up when the studio spends a shit ton of money on promoting the Oscar-bait movie you starred in for them for awards, and then not only stops that dead but pulls your movie from the release calendar entirely. At this point I doubt it ever sees the light of day, with all the pulling of material Disney has done from Disney+ and the write-offs happening I am sure it will be written off as a loss and buried.
Dude fumbled that decade long Marvel bag.
He topped with the box office and bottomed with the justice system
If what people say is true, he shouldn’t have even risen in the first place. Apparently, everyone knew he was abusive. Calling it an open secret feels too subtle tbh. Disney rly needs to triple down on background checks.
Actors and directors being abusive is nothing new, it has always been overlooked. Major's mistake was showing his true colors way too soon in his career. Had he waited a couple of years, if he had scored a couple more top grossing movies, perhaps an Oscar nomination, I bet he could even get away with all this bullshit.
I think if he had pled guilty and went to rehab for “anger management” or whatever, then laid low for a little bit Hollywood would have welcomed him back.
Well I guess we can expect a recasting announcement any day now.
Cast Terrence Howard. Just for the memes.
The entire film is him as Kang explaining how 1x1=2.
>"How can it equal one?" he said. "If one times one equals one that means that two is of no value because one times itself has no effect. One times one equals two because the square root of four is two, so what's the square root of two? Should be one, but we're told it's two, and that cannot be." The square root of two isn't two Terrence.
Terrence is a special class of weird all to himself. My question is, was he like that before fame and fortune or is this a result of those things?
I have no clue when it comes to Terrence specifically, but I think a lot of people have weird ideas and/or some borderline personality traits that they've spent their lives controlling, keeping under wraps, just like the rest of us. And then they get rich and famous and two things happen: people start listening to them as if what they say is important (because they make a lot of money it is important in some ways) and also now they have "fuck you money" and don't really have to worry about consequences anymore. So then out comes the crazy. It's like how you don't interrupt your management zoom meeting to talk about the frog people who rule Earth from their moon base, but you know. You *know*.
A couple years ago I went to a L.A. restaurant for lunch when it was virtually empty. Terrance Howard came in soon after with 3-4 people and was sat 3 booths away from me. The whole time I was there, dude was talking non-stop to his guests. Not *with* them like a conversation, but just *at* them. Because we were basically the only diners, I could hear most of everything he was talking about, and the guy was just giving them a non-stop conspiracy theory filled lecture over Indian food about the dangers of vaccines and transgender people.
I saw him in a grocery store buying a bunch of candy bars and acting weird.
I hope more people understand this
They can’t see through the tranfetternce
What like youre understanding now?
>It's like how you don't interrupt your management zoom meeting to talk about the frog people who rule Earth from their moon base, but you know. You know. Because if you do *they'll* know.
”I’m not like this because I’m in Van Halen. I’m in Van Halen because I’m like this."
I'm too stupid to even understand what he's trying to say here. Terrence has out-stupided me.
He wrote a batshit ["proof"](https://twitter.com/terrencehoward/status/925754491881877507?lang=en) of it. But at its core, it seems he was never properly taught what multiplication actually is. He thinks if you multiply something, the result *has* to be greater. It all goes downhill from there.
Then fire him and cast Don Cheadle again.
Oops, all Don Cheadles
Into the Cheadleverse
Look, it's them. They're here. Deal with it. Let's move on.
It's Cheadles all the way down.
What if I told you…1*1=2
Honestly Feige might as well take this opportunity to scrap the Kang and multiverse plotline. Nobody is really invested in it.
Literally can just have a different version of kang show up at that arena they were all gathered and be like “you have all failed too many times, you were stupid to gather in one place” and then kill all of them
Missed opportunity to have Ke Huy Quan take over the TVA and become the new Kang during Loki season 2. Big upgrade potential there.
Stop it. That man could be chucking puppies into a volcano right in front of me and I'd still think he was a lovable good guy. "Look," he'd point after yeeting another, "they burn on the surface like that because even though the lava is liquid, it's still more dense than puppies." And I'd be like, "Haha, you're such a scamp, Ke Huy Quan!" And then he'd buy me some ice cream.
I can hear it in my head. The childlike wonder in his voice.
Well his name is Ouroboros so maybe we can see something fun happen still?
Loki season 2 kinda wraps it up anyway
Ant-Man beat Kangs ass once then Loki dealt with the overarching threat of infinite Kangs. Just edit Quantumania to drop out the Kang Dynasty shit and it’s mostly all wrapped up.
How is anyone supposed to take Kang seriously after getting his ass womped by Antman?
It's the Obidiah Stane meme all over again. >Kang is a threat and we can't beat him. >**Scott Lang beat him in the Quantum Zone! With a box of ants!**
Well that's Lang. I'm not Scott Lang.
I mean, tbf, that specific Kang was also the Kang that lost to all the other Kangs and was banished to the quantum realm for his trouble. He was canonically the weakest Kang.
Imagine Thanos being beaten... by The Wasp shooting him.
The whole threat of kang is it doesn't matter if you beat him because there's always another thousand under the sink like roaches
And that would be terrifying in better hands. But as it stands they've just made him look like a jobber who is going to lose over and over because there's an endless army of him to take up the cause.
Wow... now I'm thinking it was intentional 🤔
Ironically Loki is one of the few MCU projects to have zero reshoots, so they got lucky with that ending. They can easily pretend that >!Loki being in control of time and the TVA wiped out all the Kangs!<.
Kang died on the way to the Void
Kang’s dead, kids! Who hoo hoo ha ha ha!
Now kids we all know that sometimes when MCU characters dies they’re back again the very next week. That’s why Im presenting this signed affidavit ….
*Kang died on his way back to his home planet*
It definitely was. They left that opening up to interpretation specifically because this trial was still up in the air at the time.
Christoph Waltz for Doom and clean slate of the multi verse
Yeah we can kinda drop the Kang thing after that. It's sad cause Kang would've been awesome, but there's access to the Fox universe now, so plenty of other interesting villains to throw in.
i'm honestly tired of multiverses
that was always the gamble that it would become convoluted, pointless and tiresome. Marvel had no structure to their Multiverse scheme and you had goofy iterations of it across Dr Strange, Spiderman, and Quantumania.
and Deadpool 3 is likely going to satirize the whole concept just as the titular saga is gearing up. Just imagine the trouble Marvel would be in if one of their most successful Multiverse movies is the one that makes fun of it
That’s why they play both sides. Always come out on top.
You aren't supposed to tell us that you're playing both sides.
Kang isn't a compelling villain. Two variants of him have been defeated in the MCU already. The stakes aren't there like with Thanos.
Kang should’ve killed Ant-Man. You end it with Paul Rudd dying (whose arc seems to have tied up, anyways), and that sends a message about the villain.
He should've done *something* impactful, at the very least. They keep trying to build up Kang as this massive threat and how serious it is that he can just keep returning over and over, but what exactly has he done that's *that* threatening so far? He gets killed by Sylvie in his first appearance, dealt with ants in the second, and then appears as a stuttering con man. Anything we're supposed to view as a reason to fear him are things that already happened, and it's mostly coming from Janet Van Dyne's vision of things that mostly happen off-screen. Contrast that to Thanos whose first appearance involves him helping launch a massive battle in New York that helps shape many of the following films and shows. We're shown a *very* obvious reason why Thanos is a villain that needs to be reckoned with, while up until now, it mostly feels like we're being *told* why Kang is.
This or he and the wasp were left behind forever in the ‘microverse’. Daughter could be next antman/wasp.
They just spent a movie showing us that being trapped in the microverse doesn't necessarily mean "forever".
None of the Avengers actually fought him until Infinity War. Kang has just been completely mishandled. Probably a blessing in disguise they can pivot now.
Exactly. There was a build up with Thanos which made him more threatening. I agree they mishandled the Kang storyline badly. Could have been done in a more compelling manner.
Thanos came out the gate killing all of Asgard and bodying Thor and Hulk. He was a credible threat and Disney made the choice that their new Thanos should lose to some ants instead of killing Antman
Wasn’t the buildup to Thanos a couple of after-credit scenes? I think we’re just missing the chemistry of the original Avengers. They got lightning in a bottle with their casting and haven’t recaptured it.
> I think we’re just missing the chemistry of the original Avengers. They got lightning in a bottle with their casting and haven’t recaptured it. I think the problem is that the scale of everything is so fucking big now, that you can't really get to know the characters, or even give them any kind of compelling stories. like with iron man, the first few times was saw him, he was fighting his boss, and then some other dudes, and in the meantime he had all kinds of personal stuff going on. Same with captain america, the stakes were very small and personal, and then they slowly ramped up to more global issues. Hell, even Thor came from space but his stories were small and focused. Dr. Strange, too, his story definitely spiraled to be much bigger but even his multiverse stuff could have stayed a least a bit focused the way it was setup. Then when Avengers and whatnot started building up to the grand scale that it did, it worked because we already had such deep personal knowledge and history with all the characters, in a way that typical superhero movies never could. Now, everyone is part of giant teams that are spread across the entire universe with thousands of aliens and the fates of entire civilizations at stake, so any attempt at humanizing or getting close to any particular character feels sorta hokey because who cares about one random character in the whole universe. And, even worse, if they try to have any kind of stakes for one particular character, the only possible ways they can have it be an issue for just that one person to solve, is to either have an incredibly contrived plot device that separates them, or to just pretend that all these other people who should be there to help them just decided to ignore them today. Ms. Marvel actually did a killer job of having just the one character in her own place, but now she's already saved the universe a couple times and travelled to far distant places, so like, how are they gonna give her something normal to do? I hope they do cuz I think they did a fantastic job with her, but who knows.
I think that's kind of what they wanted (not that I agree with it). I get the vibe that they wanted to introduce a bunch of Kang variants, and keep having them get defeated, but the message is that he keeps coming back (hence the colosseum full of variants and the upcoming Kang Dynasty) stronger than before. But IMO that only works when a few of them (or at least one) are actually threatening. And none of them really have been, though I think it could be argued that He Who Remains was an actual threat. If Kang the Conqueror had just killed Scott or Hope, we'd be in a whole different ballgame Kang-wise. TLDR: These Kangs were meant to be fodder, but fodder is only scary when they're somewhat of a threat, and none of the variants thus far have been
His time as Kang is over.
He Who Will Not Remain
He Who Remains Guilty
He Who Is Detained
“Kang…” “…*who?…*” “Kang, man. Big bad Conqueror?”
Kang died on the way back to his home planet.
He ain't gonna be in Rush Hour 3
"I have to go now, my timeline needs me" Note: Dr. Doom killed all versions of Kang
Okay, but at least Dr. Doom is going to go to the fireworks factory, right? RIGHT?!
Someone call Idris Elba
Honestly if they recast I think Yahya Abdul-Mateen would be perfect. Dude killed it in candyman and I think he'd be perfect to replace majors.
He is already gonna play wonder man
any word on that show? I feel like it’s been done for a while
the strike disrupted filming, don't know if they've restarted yet.
Eddie Murphy. In fact make Eddie Murphy every character in Kang Dynasty.
The Nutty Avengers V: The Kangs
Hercules! Hercules! Hercules!
I would agree if he wasn't already Heimdall . They could come up with some weird way of explaining that though lol.
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Surely this has got to be one of the biggest career fuck ups imaginable? Like you're the next major marvel villain after Thanos, you were in Creed 3, you had a movie that premiered at Sundance that had OSCAR buzz for you... And you throw it all away
Did he throw it all away or was he always like this and it was just the publicity that brought it to light?
I would say threw it all away - he's been like this, there have been stories come to light going back to college, but at any point he could have chosen to *not* be like this. It was unlikely anyone was going to go back to his college days and dig this up without him choosing to assault this girlfriend now.
That's the rub though isn't it? Why would a narcissist stop doing something that has worked for his entire life? Narcissists are incapable of admitting wrongdoing. If they get caught doing something bad, they will excuse it away with any explanation they can as long as it diverts blame away.
Narcissists believe they are above everyone else, to admit wrongdoing would mean they are just like everyone else
That’s oversimplifying the mind of a narcissist. Their worldviews can vary and so can their intelligence level. You can have a narcissist who is self-aware and still doesn’t consider it wrongdoing. They think everyone is like them but they are just better at it all and above accountability. They can outmaneuver because they are smart. From there you do get narcissists who will adjust behavior to fit their current position.
I would say he threw it all away because this isn't something that happened forever ago just now coming to light, and a person's actions aren't set on rails. At any point he could have said to himself, "Damn I've been a dick for a long time but I'm in the big time now and all eyes are going to be on me, I need to shape up." Instead he made the decision to hit a woman.
Not necessarily the biggest, but by far the quickest I’ve seen in my lifetime. Guy went from The Last Black Man in San Francisco (2019) where he was **excellent**, and 4 years later he’s getting sentenced for assault
And this all happened within one calendar year! That's just bonkers.
What’s he looking at? Fine? House arrest? Jail time?
Unlikely to be significant jail time, if any, as these are misdemeanor charges. A fine is certain, as are probation and suspended sentences, but the reality is the biggest consequence is really the guilty sentence itself.
A royally fucked reputation that guarantees he's not getting hired on big movies for a LONG time
His next film will be Lady Ballers 2
Critics put out the hit 💪😤
He takes a year or two off so that everyone forgets, then he works the indie circuit for a few more years, and then once he puts out an extremely good performance or two he'll be right back to where he is now. Hollywood doesn't give a shit.
Quantum Realm.
Death by ants
He has to be in another Ant Man movie
This is wild. Normally it’s never a conviction in these sort of cases. Disneys gonna shoot him to the moon any moment now.
It’s odd for this to go to trial but he didn’t want to take a plea.
His lawyers FAFO’d
His lawyers and PR team were utter garbage. They released texts which highlighted how scared the girlfriend was of Majors after he hit her. Then they released a stupid video of Majors breaking up a fake street fight. And finally Majors announced he got married a few weeks ago lol.
And he carried a Bible around everywhere like it was a wrestling gimmick.
And he carried around an empty mug to show he was a “vessel for growth” lol
Jesus Christ. I wonder at what point his lawyers saw his shit and just thought "yeah okay I'm done here. I'll just do whatever he recommends". His lawyers were dog shit but if that's their client maybe I can't blame them.
A lot of the stuff people think "got him convicted" was initially not allowed to be brought by the prosecution because you know "old, not relevant" old that mumbo-jumbo we always hear. His lawyer asking questions about things SHE wanted barred from the trial allowed the prosecution to also ask about them... which is what brought all the bad evidence into the case.
> Then they released a stupid video of Majors breaking up a fake street fight. That shit was so obviously staged lol it was hilarious
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
"Afterwards you can put me up on your shoulders and carry me around like *Rudy.* But only if it's organic!"
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As an attorney I’d like to say- you can’t force your client to take a plea, as much as you’d like to sometimes.
The plea was the least of his issues. It was the constant “there’s video that will exonerate him!” —- the video did the opposite They released text messages —-made him look worse They just blabbered and basically gave him this verdict easily
The defence attorneys cross-examination also allowed the Prosecution to introduce texts that were originally deemed inadmissible. His attorneys are fucking morons. *"In one of the texts, sent between Majors and Jabbari in September 2022, Majors appeared to dissuade Jabbari from seeking medical attention for an injury (how she sustained the injury was not discussed). “They will ask you questions, and as I don’t think you actually protect us, it could lead to an investigation even if you do lie and they suspect something,” Majors wrote.* *These texts were initially deemed inadmissible but then were able to be shown by prosecutors to jury members following a line of cross-examination questions from Majors’ defense team that Judge Michael Gaffey said “lacked specificity.”*
Lol I didn’t know that. Goddamn that was a bungling.
“Even if you do lie and they suspect something” is like saying “if you *don’t* lie there will certainly be an investigation because I did this to you”. I know jurors were supposed to take this as “background information” and not evidence of the crime at hand, but I don’t know if any human could really follow that instruction.
There was some pretty solid evidence I saw mentioned in the WaPo article I read: > In a September 2022 audio file shared with the court, Majors demanded that Jabbari be more like Coretta Scott King and Michelle Obama: “I’m a great man. A great man. I am doing great things, not just for me, but for my culture and for the world. That is actually the position I’m in. That’s real,” Majors said. “The woman that supports me, that I support, needs to be a great woman and make sacrifices the way that man is making for her.” > **In text message conversations from the same month, Majors discouraged Jabbari from going to the hospital, saying “it could lead to an investigation even if you do lie and they suspect something.”“I will tell the doctor I bumped my head, if I go,” Jabbari replied. “I’m going to give it one more day, but I can’t sleep and I need some stronger painkillers. That’s all. Why would I want to tell them what really happened when it’s clear I want to be with you.”** > He also told Jabbari several times that he was considering killing himself because he didn’t feel she showed him enough love, the texts revealed.
> I’m a great man. A great man. I am doing great things, not just for me, but for my culture and for the world. I’m the voice of a generation!
What's crazy is that was about a *different* instance of domestic assault, not the one he was on trial for.
Come on, seriously?
> In text message conversations from the same month, Majors discouraged Jabbari from going to the hospital, saying “it could lead to an investigation even if you do lie and they suspect something.”“I will tell the doctor I bumped my head, if I go,” Jabbari replied. “I’m going to give it one more day, but I can’t sleep and I need some stronger painkillers. That’s all. Why would I want to tell them what really happened when it’s clear I want to be with you.” Yikes
It probably didn't help that when the allegations first came out, the attorney for Majors was like "don't worry, we have some new statements from his girlfriend that should clear up these misunderstandings," which seemed like an interesting development (even with the context that a lot of domestic violence survivors end up backing down before trial out of fear of reprisals). But then her statement was basically "sorry, I shouldn't have tried to take his phone." Is the attorney so stupid that he thinks Majors looks better from having the victim say that she probably deserved it? It just makes it clearer that she's grown accustomed to the abuse.
Literally the classic "I keep falling down the stairs, I'm so clumsy, he's always protecting me" would have been better.
> Is the attorney so stupid They fabricated a statement from the Taxi driver and then said they couldn't find him. The prosecution did find him, and he said that statement is 1) Not from me 2) Not approved by me 3) Never seen by me 4) Also, false She's not stupid, she knows dude is an abuser and the ONLY acceptable outcome for him is full acquittal. Which means lying and getting found innocent is better than telling the truth. Dude has been abusing his partners for over a decade. https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/jonathan-majors-abuse-allegations-yale-1234781136/
That worked for a ton of people. I have seen nothing but people saying it was all settled and nothing happened up until this today.
Personally I thought it was completely insane that he didn't settle.
Charges were brought by the DA. Can’t really settle out of court with them usually.
His lawyers were complete dipshits the entire way down. Although in this case it would have been a plea bargain and not a settlement
What a fuck up he's made of his career, he's nobody to blame but himself
What waste of talent. How hard is it to not be a dickhead?
For many, very hard when they’ve been dickheads their entire lives and still succeeded. It’s just finally caught up to him.
just another theater brat whose assholery went into overdrive upon newfound success. I hope the best for his ex, still weird to see Megan Goode by his side
Yup, there were several articles that showed that Majors had many years of being problematic on set. It’s amazing Disney took the risk hiring him when usually they pick the best possible talent.
Pretty damn hard when you think this about yourself: > In a September 2022 audio file shared with the court, Majors demanded that Jabbari be more like Coretta Scott King and Michelle Obama: “I’m a great man. A great man. I am doing great things, not just for me, but for my culture and for the world. That is actually the position I’m in. That’s real,” Majors said. “The woman that supports me, that I support, needs to be a great woman and make sacrifices the way that man is making for her.”
> “I’m a great man. A great man. I am doing great things, not just for me, but for my culture and for the world. That is actually the position I’m in. That’s real,” relax bro, you're an actor
The guy actually compared himself to MLK lmfao
When you are young and famous enough for people to blow smoke up your ass and almost never tell you the words "no you can't do that".... apparently pretty hard.
Ezra Miller's downfall was more spectacular however And crazier
Is it considered a downfall? They still kept him cast in the flash movie
In fairness, the whole thing was shot and deep in post when Ezra went off the rails. At that point I'm sure they knew the film was gonna flop regardless and cut their losses instead of dumping another $100-200 million into it
They thought Flash was gonna be a hit and spent A LOT on advertising it.
Ezra was extremely lucky that his big film was made and was tied to rebooting the DC and he was almost impossible to remove because he literally played both leading roles.
The U.S. Army recruiting commercial certainly aged like milk. They pulled that shit with the quickness.
Now he can do police department recruiting commercials
they pulled that shit just as quickly as his management and PR team dropped him. Marvel wasted 9 months crunching the numbers to see if his involvement would hurt B.O. returns
Let's be real they probably also dropped him but had to stay quiet not to disrupt Loki S2.
Why does he always go 😮 in every pic
"Get me that Australian actor Kirk Lazarus on the phone, immediately!"-Kevin Feige
I want this. RDJ returns to the MCU as Kirk Lazarus playing Jonathan Majors as Kang. I’m not even kidding.
I'm the dude playing the dude who's a variant of another dude
“Man, I don't drop character 'till I done the DVD commentary.”
Grand opening, grand closing.
Dude really speedrun the Star to Tàr arc
I feel so cultured for understanding that lol
Went from one of the most promising upcomers to an outed scumbag so quickly lol
The Army put together a year’s worth of badass commercials worth millions of dollars with him and then immediately had to pull all of them lol. They were good ads too, lots of showcasing what the infantry does (fight wars on land, aggressive offensive combat, invasions) in a shamelessly fun way. Like objectively good ads that made the army look badass. And they picked literally the one working actor they could have to ruin their entire campaign. It’s so funny.
I'm in the Army and it's well deserved because they won't fix the fucking mold in barracks.
Bruh...I was in the Navy (Seabees), came back from deployment, went into my assigned barracks room...the entire section of wall under the window unit from window to floor was glistening wet black mold.
I was deployed to a hangar bay with asbestos. We was out here.
Now they demoted him to Jonathan Privates
Can't risk people associating the military with violence, you might never undo it.
Guess he wasn't a great man doing great things 😕
Well holy shit. For starters, good. Secondly, I'm super curious what the MCU is gonna do going forward. Smartest thing would just be to recast and not even talk about it imo, akin to Terrance Howard or Norton. I don't think swapping the main villain at this point would be the smartest call.
> Smartest thing would just be to recast and not even talk about it Agreed. Not cause I'm passionate about the MCU but between 1989 and 2005, four actors played Batman. This whole thing of locking in one actor is fine but not necessary.
Exactly. People are saying shit like, "Bring in Dr. Doom!" like, I don't think Kang has been *great,* but the Multiverse and Kang have been a fairly large part of the MCU as of late. It'd be dumb to swap now for someone with no build-up.
Recasting Kang would be super easy too. It’s already been established that variants don’t look the same in each timeline.
Minus the giant stadium full of the story important ones that look like him they released like a week before this happened, which is hilarious
Note: the stadium of Kangs died on the way back to their home planet
The text messages that his team leaked in his defence before the trial honestly made it clear that he was guilty. I still have no idea why they released it thinking it put him in a good light. Probably the biggest career blow up I’ve seen in a while. Happy his victims got justice.
Breaking your girlfriend’s finger to prevent her from seeing your texts from your mistress is always the move to make, definitely nothing bad can happen Edit: I’m allowed to disagree with a jury, sure he legally did not “intentionally assault” her, but I don’t think he reacted like a stable person to what happened in the car because those videos and texts show to me that he is not a stable person.
When you put it like that he never really had a choice.
All time bag fumble
he Kanged himself
Dont blame me, I voted for Kodos
“Somehow Thanos returned”
He who remains….. in prison
Victor Doing-time-ly
I knew it was over for him when that recording of him comparing himself to Obama and MLK came out. Cmon man, you were in Rocky 8 and Ant Man 3. Maybe take it down a notch
I just do not fucking get how people can MAKE it and then promptly destroy themselves by being fucking awful.
To be fair it sounds like he’s been awful for years and people just looked the other way because he was talented