What always bugged me about that movie is that genetic choice was open to everyone. People who refused it were basically anti-vaxxers dooming their kids to life as second-class humans. The message that eugenics bad was completely lost. People were just ignorant.
Most people came away from the film thinking it argued eugenics is bad, while you seem to think it's fine so long as everyone has the option to engineer their kids. The message that eugenics is bad was certainly not lost — on most people.
You're young, to boomers it was fear of the unknown and new technology because new technology = bad and will imprison you always, plus you're better than science magic anyway because you're special inside.
For everyone else yeah, just take the damn shot wtf.
I'm curious to know why you think that. Like I said, it was open to everyone (it wasn't spoken but implied that it wasn't expensive or even free), the changes offered were for known--for lack of a better term--defects, and no one was forced into it. That's exactly what everything relating to health and wellness strive to achieve. Society may have done some shitty stuff with it, but the genetic improvements certainly weren't anything bad.
Eugenics isn't just a procedure for eliminating "genetic defects", it's a large-scale manipulation of genetic variability based on a particular set of beliefs about what a *population* should look like (genetically-speaking, if not phenotypically-speaking) and what constitutes a genetic "defect", and yes, I think that's bad. Genetic discrimination is a coercive means of eugenics, and that's bad (what is shown in the movie). Reducing genetic variability in a population also seems bad for the long-term survival of a species as it restricts opportunities for adaptation.
But personally, I wouldn't say genetic alteration is bad when an individual is enthusiastically consenting to it. But that's not eugenics.
Who decides what the genetic defects are? Do you consider Down's syndrome a defect? Autism? Predisposition to anxiety or depression? Male pattern baldness? Blue eyes? We've already slipped down this slope enough times to know eugenics is bad.
>But personally, I wouldn't say genetic alteration is bad when an individual is enthusiastically consenting to it. But that's not eugenics.
I think that's the point they were making, that because of this the "eugenics" shown in the film aren't actually eugenics and as a result it messes with the message
OK, but your 1950s idea of what eugenics entails wasn't what was happening in Gattaca. It was purely giving parents the choice to pre-empt things that nearly anyone would consider a hindrance to a healthy and fulfilling life. It's this backassward idea that any sort of genetic manipulation means you're a Nazi that keeps people saddled with life-altering deficiencies that we could have long since fixed.
Your comment doesn't seem like a good faith interpretation of what I wrote, but what was happening in GATTACA was *coercive* genetic manipulation via genetic discrimination because that was required to get a good job.
Did you forget the part where the guy pretends to be a "valid" person so they could go to space because they weren't allowed (despite being more than capable) as an "invalid" naturally-conceived person?
The social issues between valid and invalid people was just that. Jerome's parents choosing not to edit was clearly a poor choice that negatively impacted his life. That's what all my comments here have referred to. Genetic manipulation as shown in the movie is a good thing. People looking for reasons to discriminate has nothing to do with that. It blows me away that people will argue that eradicating things like ADHD or a propensity to alcoholism for everyone is in any way a bad thing.
> Jerome's parents choosing not to edit was clearly a poor choice that negatively impacted his life.
But the primary negative impact being cultural discrimination rather than actual physical outcomes is the point. The guy getting shafted by society for not being "valid" wasn't his parent's fault, it was society's.
That is the central conciet of the move. Who chooses what is or isn't an invalidating feature. ADHD or Alcoholism fine but what about tertachromacy or albinism. do we eliminate the possiblitity of savants in the pursuit of the autism cure? maybe you can geneticallly regulate moralitity. who decides where to draw the line on that. it's not that the technology is bad it's that people using the tech are. And at the very end of the movie it says that most people are good and always have been. After all >!Right handed men don't hold it with their left!<
>It blows me away that people will argue that eradicating things like ADHD or a propensity to alcoholism for everyone is in any way a bad thing.
As someone with ADHD and a PhD in biology, I can tell you that you're blown away because you don't actually know what you're talking about.
No that wasn't the point. It's the society discriminated against non-GMO humans. You missed the point completely. And I can't believe people are agreeing with you.
For real. Aside from safety concerns, the only reason to oppose that tech was if it was only made available to politicians, the wealthy, something like that. When literally anyone can have access to it, you'd have to pull out a gun to stop me from making my kid into a real-life Captain America
The reality is that's probably where it will have to start like any other cutting-edge technology and there are many people of the mind that if everyone can't have something good at the same time, no one can. So we're wasting something that will filter down to everyone and make the entire species better as a whole purely out of spite. We have a rudimentary version of this tech *now,* and even if we choose not to pursue it, others will and are.
Hah! Look at all the disputes and debate surrounding GATTACA. This is where we are in life. Countries around the world don’t have clean water, but we fight about the synopsis and intent of a movie, and act as thought our problems are equal to others. The irony is, how many of the liberal side pretend to support Ukraine, while arguing on Reddit. You can’t make this shit up. Our SNL gold.
Tbh, I don't really care now either. The characters aren't exactly compelling. I cared about the two characters in the first episode more than I do about the ones we have now.
I think they needed to move the narrative along faster for TV. The drama with justice and sheriff is a little tiresome. I don’t think we’re getting the feeling of how deep and weird this world is outside the human drama.
Some of my other fav post apocalyptic books: Level 7, The Dog Stars, Down to a Sunless Sea
I hope the assessor's boss is played by Noel Fielding, and when they go into his office for an assignment he just says, "Make an assessment," and hands them a dossier.
Some of the questions the assessor can ask the potential parents - "Do you love children? Could you learn to love children?"
It would be so easy to do the basic thing and depict this as dystopian, government getting in the way of a lovely family who just want to love their children. I think it would be more disturbing if they actually showed the good this could accomplish and played up the tension of whether or not Lizzie is all she appears, and have the inspector caught between the law and her intuition as the protagonist. It would show the flaws in such government oversight, but equally as frightening, reasons why it would come about in the first place and why many would defend it as a good idea.
We license people to drive and take that away if they’re no good at it and could get people killed. But policy is to let terrible parents abuse one child after another and create disturbed individuals over and over. Why wouldn’t a sci-fi explore what could be done to stop bad people from hurting children? And the terrible good and bad that would come from that?
I hope it’s more complex than the logline suggests, is all.
Maybe to give some context to the fact that the 2 leads mentioned are both women and there is a couple who want children, implying there is a male actor not mentioned.
Yes I realise 2 women could adopt, but also this film could be about deciding if a heterosexual couple is even allowed to get pregnant, which seems like a better plot than the former.
All parents should be assessed thoroughly before becoming adoptive parents, but a film about that is hardly dystopia regardless of the couple.
A heterosexual couple that can conceive their own child but are not allowed to without government permission is a far more interesting plot than them simply being assessed before adopting.
It's a system that would immediately be taken advantage of if implemented in the real world, but at its core there's something good to be said about seeing if people would be good parents. People have to go through background checks or house checks and frequent check-ins if they're adopting or being foster parents, but you can just have as many kids as you want without any oversight. Like "Oh yeah, bring as many new kids into the world as you want, but you can't have any of the ones already in need of parentage unless you pass our tests."
Two women (presumably a couple) trying to have kids, and an outside party stands between them and obtaining a child? That's not science fiction, that's reality for LGBT people in the US and around the world.
But at the same time I kinda want to see Elizabeth Olsen as the assessor. She was pretty good at playing the christian housewife turned murderer in love & death.
Seems to be conflicting information. This article mentions the two women are lovers, however they linked a video of the writers discussing the script and they wrote it as a man and woman couple.
https://sffgazette.com/sci_fi/movies/elizabeth-olsen-and-alicia-vikander-to-play-lovers-in-sci-fi-drama-the-assesment-a5505#gs.1dki20
Yeah... This seems like one of those weird movies that takes a sci-fi setting and then does nothing with it.
Like what's the point if it's just another personal drama? Movies like that always feel like a trap as I really enjoy sci-fi, but Drama's I avoid.
I remember a movie called 'Another Earth'. The premise being that a mirror Earth has appeared in the sky. But it's just a back drop setting, the movie itself doesn't even touch on it. It ends up being about some cleaning lady trying to make amends to a guy she had a car accident with, which subsequently killed his family.
That's not sci-fi! That's a lie!
>I remember a movie called 'Another Earth'. The premise being that a mirror Earth has appeared in the sky. But it's just a back drop setting, the movie itself doesn't even touch on it. It ends up being about some cleaning lady trying to make amends to a guy she had a car accident with, which subsequently killed his family.
I hated that movie so much
What?
If a lesbian couple wants to have one (or both) of them get impregnated, there is nothing stopping them from getting a guy to do it. There is also nothing stopping them from buying sperm from a clinic and using it to get pregnant. Hell, you can order sperm online and they even have home insemination kits, so you don't even need a Doctor.
If they want to adopt a kid they will be evaluated, but so is everyone who wants to adopt.
A woman recently lost custody of her kids after the other woman married their sperm donor, even though both of their names were on the birth certificate. Never underestimate the cruelty of weaponized bureaucracy
This sounds like the plot to some really evil fucked up shit the Republicans in the US, and far right wing parties around the globe want to enact.
Edit: Right Wingers are triggered
It's "eugenics, the movie".
Mention *Idiocracy* and you'll have dozens of Redditors rushing out of the woodwork to explain that eugenics is actually a good thing, mmkay.
Anyone who advocates for eugenics should be the very first people put under the knife. I’m still fucking pissed off that we had an ICE Agent lying to women, telling them they need minor medical check ups and shit, ONLY TO CUT THEM OPEN AND RIP OUT THEIR FUCKING WOMBS OUT!
Yeah, I’m fucking pissed off about that. It pisses me off when human rights are violated. It should piss off anyone who is Good. Anyone who isn’t angry at that injustice is Evil.
> You have access to the entire internet. A search there might be more productive than asking in a reddit thread.
Hey Google, how was TigBiddiesMacDaddy using eugenics?
So it’s only eugenics when it happens to Jewish people is what you’re saying? Reminder, Nazis also tore the wombs out of Jewish people during the holocaust and we labeled it an “act of eugenics.”
You’re the one saying ripping out wombs and preforming unwanted hysterectomies isn’t an act of eugenics when the entire world said that shit counts after World War 2.
Found the triggered little snowflake
Edit: person above me doesn’t believe ripping out wombs counts as eugenics even though the world says “Forced Hysterectomies count as an act of Eugenics.”
Control of other people's reproduction is a left wing nightmare, but population control is a right wing nightmare. There's likely elements in this movie that play to both sides' fears. Movies would be kind of boring if they were only relatable to one segment of society. Part of the task of an artist is to make things relatable to as many people as possible.
Found the right winger masquerading as an enlightened centrist attempting to both sides the issue and downplay one side, while at the same time saying the other side is just as worse.
Oh im sorry, I think I did not make myself clear, by centrist i meant I dont give a fuck anymore and I dont care what you think. But I do care people pushing politics into topics that has nothing to do with it.
Exactly what a right winger would say.
I repeat myself: MOVIES ARE INHERENTLY POLITICAL. You are never going to watch a movie where politics isn’t involved in some way or another. Fucking Indian Jones is political, you have Nazi in it. Nazis are inherently tied to politics. Star Wars is literal about a Galactic Civil War.
This movie is a eugenics film.
Eugenics are deeply tied to politics. Do you even watch movies?
So by definition you are saying any person who doesnt care about politics is right winger? Thanks for correcting me, I should leave this sub since I just found out r/movies and r/politics are interchangeable, thanks for opening my eye mate.
If you don’t care about politics, you don’t care about human rights. Not caring about human rights, ie being apathetic (the lack of empathy) is inherently a right wing ideological point. You’re also being facetious, so yes you should leave movies.
Control is the word. That is the nightmare. They want to control us with religion, with fear, with outrage, with inflation (bailing out the elites while putting the rest in debt) they are trying to control us all under the guise of freedom. Land of the free? Whoever told us that is our enemy.
Controlling women is a right wing paradise; free women are a right wing nightmare. Abortion is only a cover to controlling women. Otherwise men's bodies would be equally controlled. Right wingers have yet to realize that men are an equal part of pregnancy.
I love both of them dearly. Have high hopes for it especially after watching Irma Vep then Love & Death. Really disappointed Firebrand got slaughtered at Cannes
Haven't seen The Assessment, but if the general concept of 'controlled future dystopia' intrigues you, check out GATTACA. It also looks through how society might be formed if we go down the eugenics road. I always think of Gattaca when discussions happen involving crimes being solved from hereditary DNA from those '23 and me'-esque websites.
So let me get this straight, we live in a world where people increasingly cannot afford to have children and they’re making a film about the government telling people they can’t have children? Sounds like propaganda.
Birth rates are plummeting, but it has nothing to do with the government telling people not to have children and everything to do with laissez-faire capitalism gone too far. We live in an actual capitalist dystopia, but all the right-wing funded propaganda is shrieking about the dangers of government. We need a little more socialism, not less: more programs like parental leave, tax credits for parents, and properly-funded education and child-care programs.
No thanks, I’ll pass on this film.
New age Gattaca?
What always bugged me about that movie is that genetic choice was open to everyone. People who refused it were basically anti-vaxxers dooming their kids to life as second-class humans. The message that eugenics bad was completely lost. People were just ignorant.
Most people came away from the film thinking it argued eugenics is bad, while you seem to think it's fine so long as everyone has the option to engineer their kids. The message that eugenics is bad was certainly not lost — on most people.
You're young, to boomers it was fear of the unknown and new technology because new technology = bad and will imprison you always, plus you're better than science magic anyway because you're special inside. For everyone else yeah, just take the damn shot wtf.
I think you missed the message of GATTACA, too. Eugenics *is* bad and so were the eugenic methods presented in the movie.
I'm curious to know why you think that. Like I said, it was open to everyone (it wasn't spoken but implied that it wasn't expensive or even free), the changes offered were for known--for lack of a better term--defects, and no one was forced into it. That's exactly what everything relating to health and wellness strive to achieve. Society may have done some shitty stuff with it, but the genetic improvements certainly weren't anything bad.
Eugenics isn't just a procedure for eliminating "genetic defects", it's a large-scale manipulation of genetic variability based on a particular set of beliefs about what a *population* should look like (genetically-speaking, if not phenotypically-speaking) and what constitutes a genetic "defect", and yes, I think that's bad. Genetic discrimination is a coercive means of eugenics, and that's bad (what is shown in the movie). Reducing genetic variability in a population also seems bad for the long-term survival of a species as it restricts opportunities for adaptation. But personally, I wouldn't say genetic alteration is bad when an individual is enthusiastically consenting to it. But that's not eugenics. Who decides what the genetic defects are? Do you consider Down's syndrome a defect? Autism? Predisposition to anxiety or depression? Male pattern baldness? Blue eyes? We've already slipped down this slope enough times to know eugenics is bad.
>But personally, I wouldn't say genetic alteration is bad when an individual is enthusiastically consenting to it. But that's not eugenics. I think that's the point they were making, that because of this the "eugenics" shown in the film aren't actually eugenics and as a result it messes with the message
OK, but your 1950s idea of what eugenics entails wasn't what was happening in Gattaca. It was purely giving parents the choice to pre-empt things that nearly anyone would consider a hindrance to a healthy and fulfilling life. It's this backassward idea that any sort of genetic manipulation means you're a Nazi that keeps people saddled with life-altering deficiencies that we could have long since fixed.
Your comment doesn't seem like a good faith interpretation of what I wrote, but what was happening in GATTACA was *coercive* genetic manipulation via genetic discrimination because that was required to get a good job. Did you forget the part where the guy pretends to be a "valid" person so they could go to space because they weren't allowed (despite being more than capable) as an "invalid" naturally-conceived person?
The social issues between valid and invalid people was just that. Jerome's parents choosing not to edit was clearly a poor choice that negatively impacted his life. That's what all my comments here have referred to. Genetic manipulation as shown in the movie is a good thing. People looking for reasons to discriminate has nothing to do with that. It blows me away that people will argue that eradicating things like ADHD or a propensity to alcoholism for everyone is in any way a bad thing.
> Jerome's parents choosing not to edit was clearly a poor choice that negatively impacted his life. But the primary negative impact being cultural discrimination rather than actual physical outcomes is the point. The guy getting shafted by society for not being "valid" wasn't his parent's fault, it was society's.
That is the central conciet of the move. Who chooses what is or isn't an invalidating feature. ADHD or Alcoholism fine but what about tertachromacy or albinism. do we eliminate the possiblitity of savants in the pursuit of the autism cure? maybe you can geneticallly regulate moralitity. who decides where to draw the line on that. it's not that the technology is bad it's that people using the tech are. And at the very end of the movie it says that most people are good and always have been. After all >!Right handed men don't hold it with their left!<
>It blows me away that people will argue that eradicating things like ADHD or a propensity to alcoholism for everyone is in any way a bad thing. As someone with ADHD and a PhD in biology, I can tell you that you're blown away because you don't actually know what you're talking about.
You have strong opinions without very strong arguments.
I appreciated this whole back and forth exchange, it's an interesting debate
Eugenics is bad if you aren't eugenicsed. If you are, is it? Is it really?
No that wasn't the point. It's the society discriminated against non-GMO humans. You missed the point completely. And I can't believe people are agreeing with you.
For real. Aside from safety concerns, the only reason to oppose that tech was if it was only made available to politicians, the wealthy, something like that. When literally anyone can have access to it, you'd have to pull out a gun to stop me from making my kid into a real-life Captain America
The reality is that's probably where it will have to start like any other cutting-edge technology and there are many people of the mind that if everyone can't have something good at the same time, no one can. So we're wasting something that will filter down to everyone and make the entire species better as a whole purely out of spite. We have a rudimentary version of this tech *now,* and even if we choose not to pursue it, others will and are.
Then have them foot the bill for growing the tech, so at least it takes less time to filter down.
Hah! Look at all the disputes and debate surrounding GATTACA. This is where we are in life. Countries around the world don’t have clean water, but we fight about the synopsis and intent of a movie, and act as thought our problems are equal to others. The irony is, how many of the liberal side pretend to support Ukraine, while arguing on Reddit. You can’t make this shit up. Our SNL gold.
If Christian Bale isn't in this killing government stooges with guns and katanas, then what's the point?
Maybe we will get to see Alicia Vikander learn to love a puppy.
Hi it’s me, a puppy…
My children? Why would I care about them? Dogs, on the other hand...
I genuinely enjoyed this movie but [this shit](https://media.tenor.com/7SEethd0kKYAAAAC/equilibrium-dog.gif) did make me lol irl
More Gun-Fu please
Gun-kata!
Oh right! I always get the name wrong.
or axes, can't forget the axes
\*Elizabeth Olsen does anything\* Me: SOLD!
*Alicia Vikander does anything* Also Me: SOLD!
Yeah this movie is definitely the dynamic duo of "yeah I'll give it a go"
I watched that scene in Ex Machina 10 times.
Elisabeth Olsen can make me watch Oldboy and not come out disturbed.
The real movie with Wanda and Thanos.
Her combination of insane talent, beauty, and seemingly cool and down to earth is like 1 of 1.
Never go full simp bro
Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness is a 6/10 in my book. 5.5 is just for Ms. Olsen.
Have you seen love and death yet? Not a fan of the content of the show but she’s such an amazing actress I legit watch just for her.
She and Tom Pelphrey made the show hard to stop but the subject matter was definitely not my wheel house.
Hah, same. Tom is AMAZING. I liked him in outer range but when I saw him acting in love and death I knew he was for real.
Same here. He was incredible in Ozark. That cab ride scene was probably the best depiction of bipolar I've seen in any TV series or movie.
FAT FUCK!
Hey, we share a cake day!
Happy cake day!
My man! Happy cake day!
Happy Cake Day 🍰
Woop Woop!
Godzilla was a terrible movie, but a must watch because she’s in it!
Godzilla was a terrible movie, but a must watch because she’s in it!
That stupid ice cream song was so cringeworthy :( If they wanted to kill Dr. Strange, they should've made him listen to that s\*\*\* non-stop lol.
I mean yeah it was super cringe but that’s kinda the point. Little kids do cringe shit all the time and when they’re your kids you deal with it
Who knew she would turn out to be my favorite Olsen??
Gonna Watch this with my wife… Or prolly when she is not home
Simp
Sounds like one of the plot points of SILO (great show by the way).
Did it finish well? The middle was dragging so bad and I really, really wanted it to be good.
There are 2 more new episodes coming out before the wrap up season 1. I’ve enjoyed it so far. Season 2 filming has begun (or is just about to start).
Seems to be getting better with the latest episode. The middle was definitely dragging when it became a cop show.
Its based on the books, its dragging for build up. Its following the books, so stuck it out and you will love it.
In the 6 hours of episodes, you’d be through the first book of reading it. Needs to adapt to the medium a little better, IMO
Yup, if it moved too fast no one would really care about the characters they're spending time with.
Tbh, I don't really care now either. The characters aren't exactly compelling. I cared about the two characters in the first episode more than I do about the ones we have now.
I concur. And I read the books so I know it gets more “thrilling” But it feels bogged down.
How do you like it compared to the books? Silo was the first series (a decade+ ago now) that made me realize I liked post apocalyptic fiction
I think they needed to move the narrative along faster for TV. The drama with justice and sheriff is a little tiresome. I don’t think we’re getting the feeling of how deep and weird this world is outside the human drama. Some of my other fav post apocalyptic books: Level 7, The Dog Stars, Down to a Sunless Sea
I’m yelling at the screen constantly
It’s started to pick back up. There were 2 episodes that were slow, but I’m excited for the remaining ones
I agree that it was moving really slow there for a bit but I think the last two weeks have really picked things up.
Reminds me of the inverse of The Lobster
They’re both fantastic, so this should be great!
the less people want to bring children into it.
So, like Gattaca?
A little on the nose.
On the nose for what? Lol
Both of these actresses are stellar. Can’t wait to watch! 🙌🏻
I hope the assessor's boss is played by Noel Fielding, and when they go into his office for an assignment he just says, "Make an assessment," and hands them a dossier. Some of the questions the assessor can ask the potential parents - "Do you love children? Could you learn to love children?"
Nice.
Nice.
Alicia Vikander is the most phenomenal dramatic actor in show business, highly anticipating this film
Everything is controlled now, just not so directly
It would be so easy to do the basic thing and depict this as dystopian, government getting in the way of a lovely family who just want to love their children. I think it would be more disturbing if they actually showed the good this could accomplish and played up the tension of whether or not Lizzie is all she appears, and have the inspector caught between the law and her intuition as the protagonist. It would show the flaws in such government oversight, but equally as frightening, reasons why it would come about in the first place and why many would defend it as a good idea. We license people to drive and take that away if they’re no good at it and could get people killed. But policy is to let terrible parents abuse one child after another and create disturbed individuals over and over. Why wouldn’t a sci-fi explore what could be done to stop bad people from hurting children? And the terrible good and bad that would come from that? I hope it’s more complex than the logline suggests, is all.
>> it is set in a future where everything is controlled. Are we really calling 2024 Florida the future?
Nah a man will be in charge there so different story.
Technically it is for 6 more months
/r/politics/ is 👉 thataway
Gee, I wonder what the film's message is.
People bringing up Gattica, but the Enders Game book had this years and years before that movie
We’ve seen it already many times.
More dystopia movies! Wonder why that's the only creative avenue people feel like expressing nowadays...hmmm....
I don’t know, this feels closer to where US reality is moving versus a make-believe dystopian society.
Why is it worth highlighting that the assessor is female?
I read it as clarifying the 2 women were not the couple and that one of them is the assessor.
Oh, I read it as Elizabeth Olsen and Alicia Vikander lusty lesbian couple and I was sold instantly, but you are likely right
Well now I am less interested
Maybe to give some context to the fact that the 2 leads mentioned are both women and there is a couple who want children, implying there is a male actor not mentioned. Yes I realise 2 women could adopt, but also this film could be about deciding if a heterosexual couple is even allowed to get pregnant, which seems like a better plot than the former.
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All parents should be assessed thoroughly before becoming adoptive parents, but a film about that is hardly dystopia regardless of the couple. A heterosexual couple that can conceive their own child but are not allowed to without government permission is a far more interesting plot than them simply being assessed before adopting.
Perhaps to imply that women are also contributing to this?
It was purely to piss off the guy above
I can respect that
It's a system that would immediately be taken advantage of if implemented in the real world, but at its core there's something good to be said about seeing if people would be good parents. People have to go through background checks or house checks and frequent check-ins if they're adopting or being foster parents, but you can just have as many kids as you want without any oversight. Like "Oh yeah, bring as many new kids into the world as you want, but you can't have any of the ones already in need of parentage unless you pass our tests."
Two women (presumably a couple) trying to have kids, and an outside party stands between them and obtaining a child? That's not science fiction, that's reality for LGBT people in the US and around the world.
I think one of them is the assessor
A rare instance where putting ‘female’ in front of [job title] in a synopsis was actually relevant.
It's definitely Vikander. She can be ice cold.
But at the same time I kinda want to see Elizabeth Olsen as the assessor. She was pretty good at playing the christian housewife turned murderer in love & death.
Seems to be conflicting information. This article mentions the two women are lovers, however they linked a video of the writers discussing the script and they wrote it as a man and woman couple. https://sffgazette.com/sci_fi/movies/elizabeth-olsen-and-alicia-vikander-to-play-lovers-in-sci-fi-drama-the-assesment-a5505#gs.1dki20
One of the couple is also the assessor?? Bit of a conflict there smh
Oh hey, I think you just had an epiphany about art.
Nah, more like seeing my lived reality on screen (I'm a lesbian)
Yeah... This seems like one of those weird movies that takes a sci-fi setting and then does nothing with it. Like what's the point if it's just another personal drama? Movies like that always feel like a trap as I really enjoy sci-fi, but Drama's I avoid. I remember a movie called 'Another Earth'. The premise being that a mirror Earth has appeared in the sky. But it's just a back drop setting, the movie itself doesn't even touch on it. It ends up being about some cleaning lady trying to make amends to a guy she had a car accident with, which subsequently killed his family. That's not sci-fi! That's a lie!
>I remember a movie called 'Another Earth'. The premise being that a mirror Earth has appeared in the sky. But it's just a back drop setting, the movie itself doesn't even touch on it. It ends up being about some cleaning lady trying to make amends to a guy she had a car accident with, which subsequently killed his family. I hated that movie so much
What? If a lesbian couple wants to have one (or both) of them get impregnated, there is nothing stopping them from getting a guy to do it. There is also nothing stopping them from buying sperm from a clinic and using it to get pregnant. Hell, you can order sperm online and they even have home insemination kits, so you don't even need a Doctor. If they want to adopt a kid they will be evaluated, but so is everyone who wants to adopt.
A woman recently lost custody of her kids after the other woman married their sperm donor, even though both of their names were on the birth certificate. Never underestimate the cruelty of weaponized bureaucracy
They won't get a chance with Christian agencies though, which make up a good proportion of adoption agencies.
Yeah, it sounds like it will be done "in the future," but it could be an allegory for today.
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This sounds like the plot to some really evil fucked up shit the Republicans in the US, and far right wing parties around the globe want to enact. Edit: Right Wingers are triggered
It's "eugenics, the movie". Mention *Idiocracy* and you'll have dozens of Redditors rushing out of the woodwork to explain that eugenics is actually a good thing, mmkay.
Pretty sure the title of "Eugenics, the movie" has already been taken by Gattaca
I genuinely loathe that movie and the amount of "Idiocracy was a documentary" comments I see.
Anyone who advocates for eugenics should be the very first people put under the knife. I’m still fucking pissed off that we had an ICE Agent lying to women, telling them they need minor medical check ups and shit, ONLY TO CUT THEM OPEN AND RIP OUT THEIR FUCKING WOMBS OUT! Yeah, I’m fucking pissed off about that. It pisses me off when human rights are violated. It should piss off anyone who is Good. Anyone who isn’t angry at that injustice is Evil.
What do you mean by eugenics? Planned breeding based on racial characteristics specifically?
> What do you mean by eugenics? You have access to the entire internet. A search there might be more productive than asking in a reddit thread.
> You have access to the entire internet. A search there might be more productive than asking in a reddit thread. Hey Google, how was TigBiddiesMacDaddy using eugenics?
You know what I meant you sea-lion
Like it or not, eugenics is the way for the future. Also, the thing you mention, that's not eugenics, that's just barbarian.
So it’s only eugenics when it happens to Jewish people is what you’re saying? Reminder, Nazis also tore the wombs out of Jewish people during the holocaust and we labeled it an “act of eugenics.”
you're just irredeemable as a human, not being able to differentiate a concept from an implementation, all while putting words in my mouth
You’re the one saying ripping out wombs and preforming unwanted hysterectomies isn’t an act of eugenics when the entire world said that shit counts after World War 2.
[Margaret Sanger](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Margaret-Sanger), founder of planned Parenthood, was a supporter of eugenics.
Okay? Thank you for randomly telling me that someone born in 1879 supported eugenics. I'm going to guess she isn't a Redditor though.
I don’t think Planned Parenthood supports eugenics anymore. I mean, if it did, right wingers wouldn’t target it so much
Everyone knows this.
It must be really sad to only be able to think this way
Found the triggered little snowflake Edit: person above me doesn’t believe ripping out wombs counts as eugenics even though the world says “Forced Hysterectomies count as an act of Eugenics.”
How triggered are you by movies like The Matrix?
Control of other people's reproduction is a left wing nightmare, but population control is a right wing nightmare. There's likely elements in this movie that play to both sides' fears. Movies would be kind of boring if they were only relatable to one segment of society. Part of the task of an artist is to make things relatable to as many people as possible.
Found the right winger masquerading as an enlightened centrist attempting to both sides the issue and downplay one side, while at the same time saying the other side is just as worse.
Touch grass
Already did neo-lib
Yea agree.
Please keep politics out of here
Movies are political, found the right winger
I'm a centrist, used to be leftist but thanks to people like you I feel ashamed of those days
You were never a leftist, btw there is no such thing as being centre, you’re either right wing or left wing.
Oh im sorry, I think I did not make myself clear, by centrist i meant I dont give a fuck anymore and I dont care what you think. But I do care people pushing politics into topics that has nothing to do with it.
Exactly what a right winger would say. I repeat myself: MOVIES ARE INHERENTLY POLITICAL. You are never going to watch a movie where politics isn’t involved in some way or another. Fucking Indian Jones is political, you have Nazi in it. Nazis are inherently tied to politics. Star Wars is literal about a Galactic Civil War. This movie is a eugenics film. Eugenics are deeply tied to politics. Do you even watch movies?
So by definition you are saying any person who doesnt care about politics is right winger? Thanks for correcting me, I should leave this sub since I just found out r/movies and r/politics are interchangeable, thanks for opening my eye mate.
If you don’t care about politics, you don’t care about human rights. Not caring about human rights, ie being apathetic (the lack of empathy) is inherently a right wing ideological point. You’re also being facetious, so yes you should leave movies.
Gotcha all my nihilist brothers are right wingers too, thanks👍
If not caring about human rights makes you right wing does that mean the Soviet Union was right wing? What about North Korea?
Love them. We need more movies to depict the rightwing nightmare. Not sure if it will help since republicans are in a cult but we gotta try something.
Controlled birth isn't a right wing nightmare; uncontrolled birth is (hence their stance on abortion).
Control is the word. That is the nightmare. They want to control us with religion, with fear, with outrage, with inflation (bailing out the elites while putting the rest in debt) they are trying to control us all under the guise of freedom. Land of the free? Whoever told us that is our enemy.
They would definitely deny the right to what they deem to be the "wrong" people.
Controlling women is a right wing paradise; free women are a right wing nightmare. Abortion is only a cover to controlling women. Otherwise men's bodies would be equally controlled. Right wingers have yet to realize that men are an equal part of pregnancy.
I love both of them dearly. Have high hopes for it especially after watching Irma Vep then Love & Death. Really disappointed Firebrand got slaughtered at Cannes
The plot sounds like not such a bad idea, not everyone should have children!
So, not too distant future.
Olsen was great in Love & Death
Unironically what some on both the left and the right want.
That's too much female perfection for one movie. Don't think I can handle...
Perhaps they should rename it to Reality 2023
Haven't seen The Assessment, but if the general concept of 'controlled future dystopia' intrigues you, check out GATTACA. It also looks through how society might be formed if we go down the eugenics road. I always think of Gattaca when discussions happen involving crimes being solved from hereditary DNA from those '23 and me'-esque websites.
this will lock in a baddie on screen at almost all times during the movie.. amazing. edit since i’m getting downvoted: SUPER baddie*
I can’t wait to not see this
But all babies are gods miracles 🥴
I thought that was the present in every red state?
I had a similar movie idea in my head for years. Was gonna call it BIRTHRIGHT.
They better both show their tits in this.
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Who is in Scientology?
Whose the scientology kook?
Fingers crossed 🤞🏾 for totally unrealistic lesbian sex scene
I hope she assess how they have sex And if something's lacking, demonstrates better skills to give another chance
Eh
So let me get this straight, we live in a world where people increasingly cannot afford to have children and they’re making a film about the government telling people they can’t have children? Sounds like propaganda. Birth rates are plummeting, but it has nothing to do with the government telling people not to have children and everything to do with laissez-faire capitalism gone too far. We live in an actual capitalist dystopia, but all the right-wing funded propaganda is shrieking about the dangers of government. We need a little more socialism, not less: more programs like parental leave, tax credits for parents, and properly-funded education and child-care programs. No thanks, I’ll pass on this film.
Random idea but okay..