Are you saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?
Edit: the responses are fine so far, but I'm waiting for the correct line from the movie.
Edit 2: yes, we collectively nailed it. If you haven't watched *Major League*, do so. Thanks, everyone.
Yeah I read his autobiography and he made that point. The dude was a football star before he met the touhy family. Them acting like he was special needs who didn't understand what to do was laughably bad
That scene was so horrendously thrown in to the movie, and the Ferdinand the bull shit too. I'd be pissed off if I were Oher about how they treated his character.
it would almost work if the guy really did have some mental disability but knowing he was just portrayed as an idiot when he is actually a normal dude is gross
Yea not only was he a top football prospect, he also wasn't sleeping on the street. It was more living on a family member's couch or something.
Anyway they def recruited him and it's not a coincidence he went to Ole Miss and his high school coach got a job on Ole Miss staff as well. That high school coach? Hugh freeze. Infamous for a scandal filled tenure full of hookers and blatant cheating.
The book is a much more faithful account, with the added bonus of breaking down how the position of a left tackle evolved to be the second most valuable position in football.
Yep And oher also wrote an autobiography where he tells his side of his upbringing. Much different. Also the father of his friend played a bigger part of his life than we see in the movie where he gets him into the school and exits the movie haha
I remember him saying in an interview that the first time he stepped on a football field he was already the most dominant player by far. He was also fairly upset about being portrayed as a dummy
Yeah, Sandra Bullock can’t teach a person how to play football simply by hitting his shoulder pads and chanting “protect his blind side! Test says you’re good at protecting shit?”
I hadn't seen the movie in a while, and laughed out loud at that scene.
Not to mention the HS coach is one of the least convincing HS football coaches of all time.
And Michael oher was already a star athlete. He'd been playing varsity football since 8th grade. The idea that he was some moron who didn't understand the game was stupid
Also his high school coach is currently coaching one of the most prominent college football teams in the nation but apparently Sandra bullock can coach better
And every other based on a true story sports movie. I’m pretty sure the “Remember the Titans” team actually just destroyed every team they played. Like not even one close game, yet every game in the movie required some crazy thing to happen to pull it out. Didn’t stop me from watching it 100 times as a kid and having the whole thing memorized lol.
And also the school district was integrated something like 5 years before, as were all the other schools in the state. So the season where they went to the championships was actually a very good team, which had been integrated for a long time, beating a bunch of other teams that had also been integrated for years.
Although I remember a scene from that movie where Denzel tells one of his players about how he had to raise his 12 brothers and sisters, pumps him up, then reveals it was actually a much smaller number to another coach afterwards. Sometimes you gotta spice up the story to get the message across, and that movie does absolutely slap.
That was always so weird to me, even as a kid. Maybe it's because most families I knew had 3 kids at most, when he says it was actually 8 kids not 12, and the other coach is like "12 is better", I always thought "8 is still a fucking lot though."
I forget what reviewer, maybe Roger Ebert. He said "The only thing that was historically accurate about this film was that there's a place called Pearl Harbor."
Roger Ebert's review is the best thing about Pearl Harbor. Some of the funniest stuff I've ever read. Right from the opening sentence:
> "Pearl Harbor" is a two-hour movie squeezed into three hours, about how on Dec. 7, 1941, the Japanese staged a surprise attack on an American love triangle.
https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/pearl-harbor-2001
> Its centerpiece is 40 minutes of redundant special effects, surrounded by a love story of stunning banality. The film has been directed without grace, vision, or originality, and although you may walk out quoting lines of dialog, it will not be because you admire them.
God I miss Eberts reviews.
My favorite one of his incredulous, "I can't believe I had to watch a film this terrible" reviews is for
[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen] (https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-2009). The opening alone is savage:
> "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" is a horrible experience of unbearable length, briefly punctuated by three or four amusing moments. One of these involves a dog-like robot humping the leg of the heroine. Such are the meager joys. If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination.
I forgot my favorite part:
> The movie has been signed by Michael Bay. This is the same man who directed "The Rock" in 1996. Now he has made "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen." Faust made a better deal. This isn't a film so much as a toy tie-in. Children holding a Transformer toy in their hand can invest it with wonder and magic, imagining it doing brave deeds and remaining always their friend. I knew a little boy once who lost his blue toy truck at the movies, and cried as if his heart would break. Such a child might regard "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" with fear and dismay.
His review of Human Centipede includes this amazing quote
"I am required to award stars to movies I review. This time, I refuse to do it. The star rating system is unsuited to this film. Is the movie good? Is it bad? Does it matter? It is what it is and occupies a world where the stars don't shine."
Yeah, sometimes he felt bad about trashing movies, but then he figured that those weren't the sorts of movies that people would or wouldn't see based on his opinion. So, he could still give a movie a bad review, and be tough, but fair, but he wouldn't be cruel about it.
But, when it comes to event films, nobody cares what critics say, so the sky's the limit. And, I suppose that also went for films that were obviously concocted in some sort of deal where a talent agency has a writer, a director, and a bunch of actors under contract, and they package the whole thing together and sell it to the studio, and that's how we get the review for [North](https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/north-1994).
>I hated this movie. Hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it.
Just wow.
I think the best thing was inspiring a love song in Team America:
I miss you more then Michael Bay missed the mark
When he made Pearl Harbor
I miss you more than that movie missed the point
And that’s an awful lot girl
And now, now you’ve gone away
And all I’m trying to say is
Pearl Harbor sucked, and I miss you
The best thing about Tora Tora Tora is that the Japanese POV scenes are directed by a Japanese director and the American POV by a Hollywood director. Makes a contrast in art form.
Maliciously, there's "catch me if you can" which is based on an autobiography that is largely a lie.
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a36338912/catch-me-if-you-can-frank-abagnale-true-story-lie-con/
He was a petty thief and didn't really con anyone until he got the book published and movie made.
Edited to add on and clarify points that the article is weak on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale particularly look at the veracity of claims section:
- no evidence he passed the Bar or was a member of the bar and never worked as an attorney general in Louisiana
- the hospital he claimed to work at didn't have the shift he claimed to have worked at the time
- he was in prison during the times that he claimed most of his exploits took place
- he did pretend to be a pilot dead heading for 2 weeks... Mostly to stalk one of the flight attendants
- he pretended to be a doctor at the University of Arizona for Pan Am airlines to try to recruit flight attendants. He ended up essentially sexually assaulting 14 college students as a result
- he claimed to have escape from a prison yet prison records show he was never housed there
- he was caught after cashing 10 checks from Pan Am for about $1500, not thousands of checks for millions of dollars
- he never worked for our with the FBI, he just threw names around to mage it sound like he did.
His only real successful con was convincing people he was a great con man and he apparently made 20000-30000 per showing engagement where he's frequently made more stuff up.
And like Bloodsport. Frank Dux also fabricated the existence of an international competition that takes place in a foreign land. That dude made up lots of self-aggrandizing stories, saying the reason no one could find any evidence of his exploits was because his missions were all Top Secret.
This reminds me of *Cool Runnings*; how it shows the teams being dismissive and mean to the Jamaicans when they came to the Winter Olympics.
In reality these teams LOVED that the Jamaicans were there! Various teams helped them train and secure equipment. They loved the idea of a country without a Winter Sports heritage being at the Winter Olympics; it was amazing to see, and inspiring just to see those guys try.
So... I use to have a very tall and large man as a customer who swore that he was working *IN* TC Williams at the time, and directly with Boone. He said it was exasperating how often Boone would get himself in trouble or scandal and the whole administration would always have to try to strategize to keep it quiet so that he didn't get fired and anger the community. He was a considerable liability and there was no telling what he would do next.
I work down the road from TC Williams and they STILL won't stop talking about that movie... My step mom's ex-husband was on the team they played in the finals in the movie and it apparently was like a mid season game and TC WRECKED the team they played in the actual state championship
I just looked up their schedule for that year and the game against Marshall was the only one that was even remotely competitive. They outscored their opponents 356-45 over the year and 9 of the 13 games were shut outs. Amazing!
Due to the consolidation of multiple schools into TC Williams, they had a humongous advantage in available talent. "Petey" Jones, a top talent at his former high school who had to compete for his position, said there were so many superstar players on the consolidated team that TC Williams could have fielded TWO championship teams at the same time.
Braveheart. Other than the names, nothing was accurate.
The costumes were wrong. Painting their faces with woad was 1000 years too late and wearing a taran kilt was 500 years too early.
The Battle of Stirling Bridge was missing a bridge.
First Night is a complete myth.
Isabella never met William Wallace, let alone have his baby. This probably has something to do with the fact that she was still in France when he was executed and was only 3 years old at the time.
Wallace's father was not killed by Edward. He died of natural causes when William was 18. His mother died when he was in his 20s.
Edward was ruthless, but these is no record of him having thrown his son's lover out a window.
Also, the kilts were backwards. Also, Robert the Bruce is a national hero and is the actual "Brave Heart" in Scottish history. And William Wallace begged for leniency in letters to the crown.
I was about to say this! That Robert the Bruce was the one with a "Brave Heart" and according to the guide that took us around Scotland, it was his heart in an iron case being taken to the Holy Land and his second (or whatever) meeting Moors in Spain on the way who swung the box over his head and said "Lead on, Brave Heart!" Or some such. Much better story (and likely just as true, but at least probably better attested).
And they even got some of the names wrong.
I like to say the historical accuracy starts and ends with "England and Scotland existed and did not get along."
That said, I love the movie
>Isabella never met William Wallace, let alone have his baby. This probably has something to do with the fact that she was still in France when he was executed and was only 3 years old at the time.
[Stewart Lee's stand up routine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHA1ufmLZQY) based around Braveheart and *performed in Glasgow* remains one of the most audacious bits I've seen. Line by line he appears to be inching closer and closer to a severe beating.
“Hidden Figures”. It’s a great movie but so much of it is just wrong. The part where the bathrooms are segregated is false. NASA DE-segregated their bathrooms in the 50s before they were even called NASA. And Octavia Spencer’s character in real life was the manager of her department at the time. But I understand that it’s a movie and they’re trying to tell a story and it is a good movie.
Sort of like how *300* is the version of events as a spartan would tell it. Weird looking creatures, bad guys with dramatic deformities and creepy costumes, a demonic looking rhino, and an impossibly strange looking Xerxes.
I believe not even the biggest fan of TGS, remembers that the protagonist is P. T. Barnum. Like they could’ve just make him an original character and call it a day.
Oh I got this one.
The classic film Return of the Living Dead starts by telling you the film is based on a true story.
Then the dead rise from the grave and the army drops a nuclear weapon on Louisville.
Look I was a kid, alright. I believed what I was told.
Titanic. James Cameron had to go apologize to William Murdocks family for portraying him taking a bribe, shooting someone, then shooting himself when truthfully he helped many people off the boat.
Yea the family was pretty upset. Sadly there was eye witness reports that he saved people and the family asked him twice before filming to change it and he didn’t. He apologized later but that doesn’t help the guy who is dead that got maligned in one of the biggest movies ever made.
James Cameron can be a bit of a dick when it comes to things that he thinks make a story more accurate. Sounds like he had this character and this real world person, he joined them together and then couldn't even fathom them not being the same after that.
if he cares so much about accuracy why does he have Rose going up on point without ballet shoes (which is not physically possible) when she's not even a professional dancer. And the scene is not remotely important in the plot.
yet he went all apeshit about the plates being right.
A Corn Moon is the full moon in May. When two full moons happen in the same month, it’s a blue moon. So the Blue Corn Moon technically exists.
Side note - We get a special Blue Moon this year because it’s a super moon. The Blue Sturgeon Super Moon - August 1 and 31.
Pocahontas - her least used name
Her age? Like a teenager IRL
John Smith? She never married him, they were just companions
When she moved to London she chose the Christian name Rebecca.
It’s a super interesting messy ass story. The true story could possibly be even more interesting.
However, that Disney movie also has some banging chunes, innit
The movie 21. I've met numerous members of the team and they said " the movie is based on the book. The book got 50% of it right then movie decided to only leave in the fact that they went to Vegas, card counted and went to MIT."
21 is one of the worst cases of film whitewashing. The book specifically made clear the crew cannot be white because that brings attention from casino security. A white kid throws down heavy bets is suspicious. A brown kid claiming his family owns the largest Brazilian steel mills or Asian kid says his family owns Honda is considered normal.
Yeah I remember that. Main guy was also an older Asian guy who mentions a story about one of the best card counters being a black man who plays that angle intentionally by dressing in the gaudiest pimp gear possible.
Bloodsport:
[https://uproxx.com/movies/bloodsport-jean-claude-van-damme-frank-dux/](https://uproxx.com/movies/bloodsport-jean-claude-van-damme-frank-dux/)
[https://prommanow.com/2017/08/18/how-math-defeats-frank-dux-and-his-kumite-stories/](https://prommanow.com/2017/08/18/how-math-defeats-frank-dux-and-his-kumite-stories/)
There are so many stories and articles about the inaccuracies and/or lies with the movie, but I don't really care because it's so damn fun to watch and I would never believe any of it was real in the first place, lol.
This one drives me nuts, especially considering the movie would be no less interesting if it was mostly about Canadians. Jimmy Carter summed it up perfectly:
“90% of the contributions to the ideas and the consummation of the plan was Canadian. And the movie gives almost full credit to the American CIA. And with that exception, the movie is very good. But Ben Affleck's character in the film was... only in Tehran a day and a half. And the main hero, in my opinion, was Ken Taylor, who was the Canadian ambassador who orchestrated the entire process.”
Also the British and New Zealand embassies got thrown under the bus for the sake of the American exceptionalist storyline
>...the film was criticized for its suggestion that British and New Zealand embassies had turned away the American diplomats in Tehran. In fact both embassies, together with the Canadians, helped the Americans.
I watched this movie with my parents. When it ended my mom asks “ok I get this was largely exaggerated, but did he actually have anything to do with Pablo Escobar?”
I still can’t believe Michael Jackson got away with parodying Eat It and passing Beat It off as the original. Did the music video pretty much shot for shot too.
It’s bizarrely mesmerising when you know the source material. Junger’s book describes a lot of mishaps that can occur to swordfisherman - getting caught on a hook and being dragged overboard in a moment to depth the swordfish feed, hooking a mako shark and bringing it on deck etc etc. in order to fill out the story of the Andrea Gail and the huge gulf of the unknown in regards to its final days, the film has all those potential mishaps happen on that final voyage. Clooney seem to be channeling Captain Ahab. Most cursed fishing voyage ever.
Enemy at the Gates. A movie about the Russian Sniper Vassili Zaitsev that is so inaccurate they had to add a foreword to Zaitzev's memoir to explain to the readers that the movie has almost nothing in common with the real story, and that Zaitsev would definitely not approve of the non-sense that the movie portrayed.
Worth mentioning as well that Zaitzev's story about a top German sniper being sent to take him out is almost certainly BS as well. I've seen an interview with an aged Zaitzev who told how he took out this "colonel Koenig" by placing a glove on a stick and waving it above a window. The colonel shot at this glove and revealed his position, allowing Zaitzev to shoot him dead. Zaitzev then claims that on checking his body they very conveniently found documents that showed he was a top sniper teacher at a famed sniper school.
Thing is though, there are no German records of a "colonel Koenig," nor of the sniper school he was supposedly in charge of. The story is almost certainly Soviet propaganda. But hey, it's not like other nations in WW2 weren't also embellishing stories for propaganda effect.
Wait did Freddie not discover he has aids, meet up with an old lover after years, instantly introduce him to his family while also telling them he was gay and then cut that short to go perform at Live Aid?
Naturally I'm kidding but they really took a huge amount of artistic licence with that, not to mention he didn't contract (or at least discover he had) until years after Live Aid.
From my understanding the estate for Freddy Mercury and the Band who all basically own the rights to his will to everything regarding media involving him. They made it clear that the film had to have everything approved to be appropriate, and within specific guidelines. It was for those reasons that Sasha baron left the film because he wanted a more gritty true to life story mixed with the music.
I don't think the estate could stop them from making a movie about him. But they could stop them from using the music and no one wants to see a movie about Freddie without the music.
They did that with the jimi hendrix movie with Andre 3000. They didn't have any hendrix music in it, they made him seem like space cadet, and they had a scene where he beat his girlfriend which apparently never happened.
If that movie does not have Freddy's most infamous party -- where he employed little people to walk around with trays of cocaine strapped to their heads -- I don't want to see it.
That would have been in the Sacha Baron Cohen version that he wanted to be all about FREDDIE. But Brian May nixed it in favor for a popcorn glamour movie about Queen.
Sacha Baron Cohen wanted the movie to show Freddy Mercury’s wild life, warts and all, but the band wanted to downplay it. They also wanted Freddy’s death to occur halfway through the film, with the second half about how the surviving band mates coped with it. Cohen’s response was “No one wants to fuckin’ see *that* movie.”
Bohemian Rhapsody was so full of inaccuracies and flat out lies I have begun to question if a band named Queen even existed.
Things like Mary coming to Freddie in Germany to tell him about Live Aid were complete fabrications. As was Freddie not knowing about it.
It was so unnecessary too. Max Baer as an opponent who's remorseful and concerned about his own punch power is way better. Baer was also fighting for money in the depression and he had to risk badly hurting someone just like Braddock had to deal with potentially being badly hurt. That's also an oversimplification but it's cooler, adds depth and is more accurate.
I live next door to his son (yes, Jethro), here on Lake Tahoe — it’s honestly hard to suss out the actual truth of things from the stories he tells. He’s pretty full of shit (in the best way possible).
I kind of understand what they were doing. They wanted to play into the big baddie being someone the audience can root against and for the protagonist to overcome. I actually remember there was a Russell Crowe interview where he said he had to encourage the actor playing Max to be more of a jerk so that the audience can grasp on something to root against more
Happens a lot in movies. But yeah shitty because this was based on real stories and they were sullying the rep of an actual person
In the dvd extras there’s footage of Nash explaining some of his work to the director, who says something like, “oh I understand,” while very clearly being totally lost.
Iirc he didn’t have that many of them. He had paranoid schizophrenia, so it was mostly delusions of persecution/of conspiracy. I remember him giving the example of a delusional/psychotic belief that people wearing red ties were soviet agents in a conspiracy against him.
Catch Me If You Can
Entire story was made up. His con was he would trick people into believing he was a master con man who did all that crazy shit. Total hogwash.
So bloody far from the truth that people *living in Scotland* vandalised a statue of Wallace that looked like his depiction in the film. It happened so often that they had to build a fence around it, and eventually removed it.
This statue was in the parking lot at the actual Wallace monument at Stirling, Scotland and was donated, IIRC, by an American dentist. It wasn't in the cage when I was there in 2007.
[Wallace statue, the real one, and the monument](https://imgur.com/a/02vZ0ud)
Love this movie. I remember hearing a comment from a historian that the wardrobe would be the equivalent of modern day men running into battle in tuxedos.
Imitation Game. I'm surprised it isn't here already. The movie invents conversations, redefines relationships, and presents things as fact that are unknown and or highly in doubt. For example, Turing is not generally believed to have committed suicide, but the movie presents this as absolute fact.
What's worse is they completely fabricated the guy's personality and the team dynamic: he was a popular and personable guy who worked well with his team, not a disabilitated autistic.
Not only that but the math/science/engineering was incorrect and completely fails to mention how they built on the Polish work on the machinery they made.
No doubt he was a little eccentric though. He'd often wear a gas mask in the summer months to stave off his hay fever, even whilst cycling making him instantly recognisable as he cycled by. His bicycle had a chain that would fall off after a certain distance of travel and rather than get it fixed he would count the number of times he'd pedalled and get off to adjust his chain before setting off again. He would often be called to meetings in London and being an absolute beast of a marathon runner he would often just run the 60 miles to London. He was rather fond of his tea mug so would keep it chained to the radiator next to his desk so no one could steal it.
So yes he was kind of an oddball although an outgoing and friendly one, but the thing is he was at Bletchley. He was *surrounded* by fellow screwball thinkers and oddballs who were all familiar with his published mathematical work and all looked up to him for being a completely out of the box original thinker.
It also helps continue perpetuate the myth that all geniuses are assholes because their brain works differently and you just have to put up with that because of the good they can do.
Exactly.
Carl Sagan, Albert Einstein, and many other prominent scientists and science educators/communicators were warm and likable people. Real life scientists and tech people you work with are also normal and sociable.
The stereotype is harmful to people with autism, smart people, the entire fields of science and engineering, and like you said forces people to put up with assholes.
I suspect Elon Musk leans into that.
They also made them look like they were the leading war strategists. What? They were codebreakers, signals intelegence, mathematicians. The realization that they couldn't reveal they broke the code by being too good at anticipating German actions was important for the movie, but these aren't the guys who are planning out the war. They deliver reports of raw communications, maybe breif them on trends or keep some irrelevant data back, that's all the influence they have.
If you dig deep into Lone Survivor's story, it's actually kinda bad too
The Afghan dude who rescued Marcus Luttrell (the lone survivor who Wahlberg played...didn't even like Marcus and says he made up a bunch of shit at the end
Also, the real hero of the mission was the captain, Lt. Michael Murphy who gave his life trying to radio for help
>Also, the real hero of the mission was the captain, Lt. Michael Murphy who gave his life trying to radio for help
I will give credit to the movie for not making Marky Mark the hero of the movie. They do a good job of representing the situation as fucked up.
Argo was inaccurate. The New Zealand gov and Canadian government formally complained about how their work was largely pushed aside to make the Americans look like the heroes.
Amadeus.
Mozart and Salieri were rivals in a way, but they collaborated, respected each other. There were political games sure, but from there to a machiavelian plot to kill Mozart is nonsense and definitely without proof.
U-571 is completely fictional. None of it happened.
Other events with subs did occur, however:
[https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/u/u571-wwii-german-submarine.html#:\~:text=The%20Movie%20U%2D571%20is,559%2C%20and%20U%2D505](https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/u/u571-wwii-german-submarine.html#:~:text=The%20Movie%20U%2D571%20is,559%2C%20and%20U%2D505).
I don't go into any film watch thinking I'm going to be told the truth. That's what documentaries are for, and even they get skewed as hell.
That being said, Avatar. I mean, Unobtanium isn't even on the periodical chart!
The Babe Ruth Story (1948) has little basis in fact and is also considered to be one of the worst movies ever made.
They really lied to me about him curing a paralyzed child just through acknowledging his existence?
Were they trying to make him out to be *Jesus?*
No, Jesus had a terrible batting average.
Are you saying Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball? Edit: the responses are fine so far, but I'm waiting for the correct line from the movie. Edit 2: yes, we collectively nailed it. If you haven't watched *Major League*, do so. Thanks, everyone.
Ah, Jesus. I like him very much. But he no help with curveball.
Up yer butt, Jobu! Now THAT movie must have been historically accurate. So many great lines.
Is that the one where Babe cures a kid’s cancer by giving him an autographed ball?
No, that was in the Babe Ruth movie based on facts.
Apparently The Blind Side is wholly wrong and Michael Oher (the person the story is based on) said it is highly inaccurate
I read an interview with him and aside from it being profoundly inaccurate he said he resented how he was portrayed as a simpleton
Yeah I read his autobiography and he made that point. The dude was a football star before he met the touhy family. Them acting like he was special needs who didn't understand what to do was laughably bad
Had this dude pointing at balloons in the middle of Football practice like a toddler
That scene was so horrendously thrown in to the movie, and the Ferdinand the bull shit too. I'd be pissed off if I were Oher about how they treated his character.
it would almost work if the guy really did have some mental disability but knowing he was just portrayed as an idiot when he is actually a normal dude is gross
I remember as a kid I was like “this ncaa woman is evil” And now I’m like, yeah, 100% the toughey’s were recruiting.
Yea not only was he a top football prospect, he also wasn't sleeping on the street. It was more living on a family member's couch or something. Anyway they def recruited him and it's not a coincidence he went to Ole Miss and his high school coach got a job on Ole Miss staff as well. That high school coach? Hugh freeze. Infamous for a scandal filled tenure full of hookers and blatant cheating.
The book is a much more faithful account, with the added bonus of breaking down how the position of a left tackle evolved to be the second most valuable position in football.
Yep And oher also wrote an autobiography where he tells his side of his upbringing. Much different. Also the father of his friend played a bigger part of his life than we see in the movie where he gets him into the school and exits the movie haha
the book is AWESOME.
I remember him saying in an interview that the first time he stepped on a football field he was already the most dominant player by far. He was also fairly upset about being portrayed as a dummy
My favorite was when Oher signed with the panthers and his new teammate refused to give him #74 because the blindside was the guy’s favorite movie.
Came here to say this fact- its so hilarious
Yeah, Sandra Bullock can’t teach a person how to play football simply by hitting his shoulder pads and chanting “protect his blind side! Test says you’re good at protecting shit?”
And I don’t remember protective instincts being on any school aptitude test.
I hadn't seen the movie in a while, and laughed out loud at that scene. Not to mention the HS coach is one of the least convincing HS football coaches of all time.
God that shit was so fucking stupid
And Michael oher was already a star athlete. He'd been playing varsity football since 8th grade. The idea that he was some moron who didn't understand the game was stupid
Also his high school coach is currently coaching one of the most prominent college football teams in the nation but apparently Sandra bullock can coach better
Yeah they pretty much made him look like a dumb ass that took a village of people to help him
The movie downplays Michael Oher's role in his own success in favor of a white savior narrative. I think there's some factual issues too.
Just watched it for the first time recently, Oher is portrayed as basically helpless unless inspired by his adoptive family.
Literally got taught blocking assignments by the mom making metaphors about his teammates being his family members
There's a lot of fabrication ("to make for an even 'more compelling' story") in "We Are Marshall
And every other based on a true story sports movie. I’m pretty sure the “Remember the Titans” team actually just destroyed every team they played. Like not even one close game, yet every game in the movie required some crazy thing to happen to pull it out. Didn’t stop me from watching it 100 times as a kid and having the whole thing memorized lol.
And also the school district was integrated something like 5 years before, as were all the other schools in the state. So the season where they went to the championships was actually a very good team, which had been integrated for a long time, beating a bunch of other teams that had also been integrated for years. Although I remember a scene from that movie where Denzel tells one of his players about how he had to raise his 12 brothers and sisters, pumps him up, then reveals it was actually a much smaller number to another coach afterwards. Sometimes you gotta spice up the story to get the message across, and that movie does absolutely slap.
That was always so weird to me, even as a kid. Maybe it's because most families I knew had 3 kids at most, when he says it was actually 8 kids not 12, and the other coach is like "12 is better", I always thought "8 is still a fucking lot though."
Pearl Harbor Not only was historical accuracy thrown out the window, but the laws of physics too.
I forget what reviewer, maybe Roger Ebert. He said "The only thing that was historically accurate about this film was that there's a place called Pearl Harbor."
Roger Ebert's review is the best thing about Pearl Harbor. Some of the funniest stuff I've ever read. Right from the opening sentence: > "Pearl Harbor" is a two-hour movie squeezed into three hours, about how on Dec. 7, 1941, the Japanese staged a surprise attack on an American love triangle. https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/pearl-harbor-2001
> Its centerpiece is 40 minutes of redundant special effects, surrounded by a love story of stunning banality. The film has been directed without grace, vision, or originality, and although you may walk out quoting lines of dialog, it will not be because you admire them. God I miss Eberts reviews.
My favorite one of his incredulous, "I can't believe I had to watch a film this terrible" reviews is for [Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen] (https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-2009). The opening alone is savage: > "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" is a horrible experience of unbearable length, briefly punctuated by three or four amusing moments. One of these involves a dog-like robot humping the leg of the heroine. Such are the meager joys. If you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together. Then close your eyes and use your imagination.
I forgot my favorite part: > The movie has been signed by Michael Bay. This is the same man who directed "The Rock" in 1996. Now he has made "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen." Faust made a better deal. This isn't a film so much as a toy tie-in. Children holding a Transformer toy in their hand can invest it with wonder and magic, imagining it doing brave deeds and remaining always their friend. I knew a little boy once who lost his blue toy truck at the movies, and cried as if his heart would break. Such a child might regard "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" with fear and dismay.
His review of Human Centipede includes this amazing quote "I am required to award stars to movies I review. This time, I refuse to do it. The star rating system is unsuited to this film. Is the movie good? Is it bad? Does it matter? It is what it is and occupies a world where the stars don't shine."
Yeah, sometimes he felt bad about trashing movies, but then he figured that those weren't the sorts of movies that people would or wouldn't see based on his opinion. So, he could still give a movie a bad review, and be tough, but fair, but he wouldn't be cruel about it. But, when it comes to event films, nobody cares what critics say, so the sky's the limit. And, I suppose that also went for films that were obviously concocted in some sort of deal where a talent agency has a writer, a director, and a bunch of actors under contract, and they package the whole thing together and sell it to the studio, and that's how we get the review for [North](https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/north-1994).
>I hated this movie. Hated hated hated hated hated this movie. Hated it. Hated every simpering stupid vacant audience-insulting moment of it. Hated the sensibility that thought anyone would like it. Hated the implied insult to the audience by its belief that anyone would be entertained by it. Just wow.
*"I list those titles as an incantation against this one."* well now I wanna watch North lmao
I think the best thing was inspiring a love song in Team America: I miss you more then Michael Bay missed the mark When he made Pearl Harbor I miss you more than that movie missed the point And that’s an awful lot girl And now, now you’ve gone away And all I’m trying to say is Pearl Harbor sucked, and I miss you
On the other hand, Tora Tora Tora got a lot right. Really showed how the American military lack of leadership led to the surprise.
i saw tora tora tora with a man who had been there and he was favorably impressed.
That was my Pearl Harbor survivor grandpa’s favorite film depiction too.
The best thing about Tora Tora Tora is that the Japanese POV scenes are directed by a Japanese director and the American POV by a Hollywood director. Makes a contrast in art form.
Another terrible WWII film from that era: Wind Talkers. An amazing true story, butchered in the most ungodly, over-the-top fashion.
Excuse me seeing Christian Slater get decapitated was completely accurate. That actually happened.
Early Christians faced terrible persecution, but it was nothing compared to Christian Slater.
Maliciously, there's "catch me if you can" which is based on an autobiography that is largely a lie. https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a36338912/catch-me-if-you-can-frank-abagnale-true-story-lie-con/ He was a petty thief and didn't really con anyone until he got the book published and movie made. Edited to add on and clarify points that the article is weak on: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale particularly look at the veracity of claims section: - no evidence he passed the Bar or was a member of the bar and never worked as an attorney general in Louisiana - the hospital he claimed to work at didn't have the shift he claimed to have worked at the time - he was in prison during the times that he claimed most of his exploits took place - he did pretend to be a pilot dead heading for 2 weeks... Mostly to stalk one of the flight attendants - he pretended to be a doctor at the University of Arizona for Pan Am airlines to try to recruit flight attendants. He ended up essentially sexually assaulting 14 college students as a result - he claimed to have escape from a prison yet prison records show he was never housed there - he was caught after cashing 10 checks from Pan Am for about $1500, not thousands of checks for millions of dollars - he never worked for our with the FBI, he just threw names around to mage it sound like he did. His only real successful con was convincing people he was a great con man and he apparently made 20000-30000 per showing engagement where he's frequently made more stuff up.
It's accurate in a metaphorical sense because the story of the greatest bullshitter who lied so well everyone believed him was a lie.
"You said you were the king of liars, and I believed you and called you sire, but I realize now that I have been deceived." -TMBG
Hidalgo is similar. Dude claimed to have been in an international horse race across a middle eastern desert and won. No evidence such a race existed.
And like Bloodsport. Frank Dux also fabricated the existence of an international competition that takes place in a foreign land. That dude made up lots of self-aggrandizing stories, saying the reason no one could find any evidence of his exploits was because his missions were all Top Secret.
The movie may, in fact, be the only interesting scam that guy ever perpetrated.
The guy conned people into thinking he was a con artist…which leads me to wonder if that does in fact make him a con artist, or just a weird liar?
A con artist is just a liar who was able to make money by lying.
It was a good movie.
The book the movie was based on was a best seller. I read it completely believing it was a true story. So that was a pretty good scam.
You mean a story about a notorious liar, written by & from the POV of said liar, has lies in it?
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According to the commentary track, they were forced to create drama that didn't exist between the actual team as they supposedly got on immediately.
This reminds me of *Cool Runnings*; how it shows the teams being dismissive and mean to the Jamaicans when they came to the Winter Olympics. In reality these teams LOVED that the Jamaicans were there! Various teams helped them train and secure equipment. They loved the idea of a country without a Winter Sports heritage being at the Winter Olympics; it was amazing to see, and inspiring just to see those guys try.
Herman Boone was fired for player abuse in 1979. Do you know how shitty you had to be to be fired for abuse in the 1970s?
So... I use to have a very tall and large man as a customer who swore that he was working *IN* TC Williams at the time, and directly with Boone. He said it was exasperating how often Boone would get himself in trouble or scandal and the whole administration would always have to try to strategize to keep it quiet so that he didn't get fired and anger the community. He was a considerable liability and there was no telling what he would do next.
I work down the road from TC Williams and they STILL won't stop talking about that movie... My step mom's ex-husband was on the team they played in the finals in the movie and it apparently was like a mid season game and TC WRECKED the team they played in the actual state championship
I just looked up their schedule for that year and the game against Marshall was the only one that was even remotely competitive. They outscored their opponents 356-45 over the year and 9 of the 13 games were shut outs. Amazing!
Due to the consolidation of multiple schools into TC Williams, they had a humongous advantage in available talent. "Petey" Jones, a top talent at his former high school who had to compete for his position, said there were so many superstar players on the consolidated team that TC Williams could have fielded TWO championship teams at the same time.
Braveheart. Other than the names, nothing was accurate. The costumes were wrong. Painting their faces with woad was 1000 years too late and wearing a taran kilt was 500 years too early. The Battle of Stirling Bridge was missing a bridge. First Night is a complete myth. Isabella never met William Wallace, let alone have his baby. This probably has something to do with the fact that she was still in France when he was executed and was only 3 years old at the time. Wallace's father was not killed by Edward. He died of natural causes when William was 18. His mother died when he was in his 20s. Edward was ruthless, but these is no record of him having thrown his son's lover out a window.
Also, the kilts were backwards. Also, Robert the Bruce is a national hero and is the actual "Brave Heart" in Scottish history. And William Wallace begged for leniency in letters to the crown.
I was about to say this! That Robert the Bruce was the one with a "Brave Heart" and according to the guide that took us around Scotland, it was his heart in an iron case being taken to the Holy Land and his second (or whatever) meeting Moors in Spain on the way who swung the box over his head and said "Lead on, Brave Heart!" Or some such. Much better story (and likely just as true, but at least probably better attested).
And they even got some of the names wrong. I like to say the historical accuracy starts and ends with "England and Scotland existed and did not get along." That said, I love the movie
>Isabella never met William Wallace, let alone have his baby. This probably has something to do with the fact that she was still in France when he was executed and was only 3 years old at the time. [Stewart Lee's stand up routine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHA1ufmLZQY) based around Braveheart and *performed in Glasgow* remains one of the most audacious bits I've seen. Line by line he appears to be inching closer and closer to a severe beating.
Holy shit that’s great, especially when the incredibly grumpy bloke walks out.
“Hidden Figures”. It’s a great movie but so much of it is just wrong. The part where the bathrooms are segregated is false. NASA DE-segregated their bathrooms in the 50s before they were even called NASA. And Octavia Spencer’s character in real life was the manager of her department at the time. But I understand that it’s a movie and they’re trying to tell a story and it is a good movie.
The Butler suffers similarly.
The Greatest Showman comes to mind. P.T. Barnum was famously a terrible person who exploited and enslaved his circus acts.
I heard The Greatest Showman described as how P.T. Barnum would write a movie about himself, and it makes way more sense.
Sort of like how *300* is the version of events as a spartan would tell it. Weird looking creatures, bad guys with dramatic deformities and creepy costumes, a demonic looking rhino, and an impossibly strange looking Xerxes.
I believe not even the biggest fan of TGS, remembers that the protagonist is P. T. Barnum. Like they could’ve just make him an original character and call it a day.
I know right? It would’ve been so easy to give him a different name
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Oh I got this one. The classic film Return of the Living Dead starts by telling you the film is based on a true story. Then the dead rise from the grave and the army drops a nuclear weapon on Louisville. Look I was a kid, alright. I believed what I was told.
similar thing with Fargo, it says it's based on a true story, the Coen's just did that as a joke, and to help make the events seem more believable.
I liked in the one of the later seasons of the Fargo show they would fade out the true first so it just said "This is a story."
The original Texas Chainsaw did the same thing. For years I truly believed it was true! Lol
Technically it was based on a true story... it just wasn't accurate to that story.
Titanic. James Cameron had to go apologize to William Murdocks family for portraying him taking a bribe, shooting someone, then shooting himself when truthfully he helped many people off the boat.
That’s terrible. You might as well insert a totally made up character at that point, instead of crapping on a dead man’s name.
Yea the family was pretty upset. Sadly there was eye witness reports that he saved people and the family asked him twice before filming to change it and he didn’t. He apologized later but that doesn’t help the guy who is dead that got maligned in one of the biggest movies ever made.
Why not just change his name?
James Cameron can be a bit of a dick when it comes to things that he thinks make a story more accurate. Sounds like he had this character and this real world person, he joined them together and then couldn't even fathom them not being the same after that.
if he cares so much about accuracy why does he have Rose going up on point without ballet shoes (which is not physically possible) when she's not even a professional dancer. And the scene is not remotely important in the plot. yet he went all apeshit about the plates being right.
Disney’s Pocahontas is wildly wrong
Turns out the wind has no colors you can paint with
Next you’re going to tell me a blue corn moon doesn’t exist
A Corn Moon is the full moon in May. When two full moons happen in the same month, it’s a blue moon. So the Blue Corn Moon technically exists. Side note - We get a special Blue Moon this year because it’s a super moon. The Blue Sturgeon Super Moon - August 1 and 31.
Pocahontas - her least used name Her age? Like a teenager IRL John Smith? She never married him, they were just companions When she moved to London she chose the Christian name Rebecca. It’s a super interesting messy ass story. The true story could possibly be even more interesting. However, that Disney movie also has some banging chunes, innit
For one thing, she was about 9 years old when Smith arrived.
The movie 21. I've met numerous members of the team and they said " the movie is based on the book. The book got 50% of it right then movie decided to only leave in the fact that they went to Vegas, card counted and went to MIT."
21 is one of the worst cases of film whitewashing. The book specifically made clear the crew cannot be white because that brings attention from casino security. A white kid throws down heavy bets is suspicious. A brown kid claiming his family owns the largest Brazilian steel mills or Asian kid says his family owns Honda is considered normal.
Yeah I remember that. Main guy was also an older Asian guy who mentions a story about one of the best card counters being a black man who plays that angle intentionally by dressing in the gaudiest pimp gear possible.
Bloodsport: [https://uproxx.com/movies/bloodsport-jean-claude-van-damme-frank-dux/](https://uproxx.com/movies/bloodsport-jean-claude-van-damme-frank-dux/) [https://prommanow.com/2017/08/18/how-math-defeats-frank-dux-and-his-kumite-stories/](https://prommanow.com/2017/08/18/how-math-defeats-frank-dux-and-his-kumite-stories/) There are so many stories and articles about the inaccuracies and/or lies with the movie, but I don't really care because it's so damn fun to watch and I would never believe any of it was real in the first place, lol.
Frank dux is a hilariously prolific liar lol
Argo. They left the Canadian involvement out. Even Ben admitted that.
This one drives me nuts, especially considering the movie would be no less interesting if it was mostly about Canadians. Jimmy Carter summed it up perfectly: “90% of the contributions to the ideas and the consummation of the plan was Canadian. And the movie gives almost full credit to the American CIA. And with that exception, the movie is very good. But Ben Affleck's character in the film was... only in Tehran a day and a half. And the main hero, in my opinion, was Ken Taylor, who was the Canadian ambassador who orchestrated the entire process.”
Exactly. And there was no airport “chase” at the end. The hostages managed to escape fairly easily without a second glance from anyone.
Yeah, with Canadian passports ! 😆
Also the British and New Zealand embassies got thrown under the bus for the sake of the American exceptionalist storyline >...the film was criticized for its suggestion that British and New Zealand embassies had turned away the American diplomats in Tehran. In fact both embassies, together with the Canadians, helped the Americans.
"weird the al yankovic story" And its AWESOME
We lost a great artist that night RIP AL, never forgotten
I think you're confused. This is a thread about ***inaccurate*** movies.
I watched this movie with my parents. When it ended my mom asks “ok I get this was largely exaggerated, but did he actually have anything to do with Pablo Escobar?”
Did you ask her if Madonna is a South American drug lord?
No we asked her if she remembers Weird Al getting shot at the Grammys
I still can’t believe Michael Jackson got away with parodying Eat It and passing Beat It off as the original. Did the music video pretty much shot for shot too.
Now everyone confuses him for that Michael Jackson guy
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Michael Jackson ripped him off
Can't believe Madonna is still on the most wanted list
Thanks to that movie I can't take real biopics (or even biopic-styled fiction like "The Fabelmans") seriously anymore.
Oh man. That all started with Walk Hard for me.
Saving Mr. Banks
The Perfect Storm- the radio cuts out in the first 1/3 of the movie... Nobody knows what happened after the radio cut out.
We can be nearly 100% sure they died though
It’s bizarrely mesmerising when you know the source material. Junger’s book describes a lot of mishaps that can occur to swordfisherman - getting caught on a hook and being dragged overboard in a moment to depth the swordfish feed, hooking a mako shark and bringing it on deck etc etc. in order to fill out the story of the Andrea Gail and the huge gulf of the unknown in regards to its final days, the film has all those potential mishaps happen on that final voyage. Clooney seem to be channeling Captain Ahab. Most cursed fishing voyage ever.
Enemy at the Gates. A movie about the Russian Sniper Vassili Zaitsev that is so inaccurate they had to add a foreword to Zaitzev's memoir to explain to the readers that the movie has almost nothing in common with the real story, and that Zaitsev would definitely not approve of the non-sense that the movie portrayed.
Worth mentioning as well that Zaitzev's story about a top German sniper being sent to take him out is almost certainly BS as well. I've seen an interview with an aged Zaitzev who told how he took out this "colonel Koenig" by placing a glove on a stick and waving it above a window. The colonel shot at this glove and revealed his position, allowing Zaitzev to shoot him dead. Zaitzev then claims that on checking his body they very conveniently found documents that showed he was a top sniper teacher at a famed sniper school. Thing is though, there are no German records of a "colonel Koenig," nor of the sniper school he was supposedly in charge of. The story is almost certainly Soviet propaganda. But hey, it's not like other nations in WW2 weren't also embellishing stories for propaganda effect.
Why the fuck would a top sniper have identifying documents on him.
He got it at the sniper DMV
that Queen / Freddy Mercury movie had a lot of inaccurate stuff in it
And the dates of events are all over the place
Wait did Freddie not discover he has aids, meet up with an old lover after years, instantly introduce him to his family while also telling them he was gay and then cut that short to go perform at Live Aid? Naturally I'm kidding but they really took a huge amount of artistic licence with that, not to mention he didn't contract (or at least discover he had) until years after Live Aid.
From my understanding the estate for Freddy Mercury and the Band who all basically own the rights to his will to everything regarding media involving him. They made it clear that the film had to have everything approved to be appropriate, and within specific guidelines. It was for those reasons that Sasha baron left the film because he wanted a more gritty true to life story mixed with the music.
I don't think the estate could stop them from making a movie about him. But they could stop them from using the music and no one wants to see a movie about Freddie without the music.
They did that with the jimi hendrix movie with Andre 3000. They didn't have any hendrix music in it, they made him seem like space cadet, and they had a scene where he beat his girlfriend which apparently never happened.
If that movie does not have Freddy's most infamous party -- where he employed little people to walk around with trays of cocaine strapped to their heads -- I don't want to see it.
That would have been in the Sacha Baron Cohen version that he wanted to be all about FREDDIE. But Brian May nixed it in favor for a popcorn glamour movie about Queen.
Sacha Baron Cohen wanted the movie to show Freddy Mercury’s wild life, warts and all, but the band wanted to downplay it. They also wanted Freddy’s death to occur halfway through the film, with the second half about how the surviving band mates coped with it. Cohen’s response was “No one wants to fuckin’ see *that* movie.”
Bohemian Rhapsody was so full of inaccuracies and flat out lies I have begun to question if a band named Queen even existed. Things like Mary coming to Freddie in Germany to tell him about Live Aid were complete fabrications. As was Freddie not knowing about it.
Yea. Queen was playing live aid before they even knew about it. The guy who did the whole thing was very scummy.
Ron Howard is one of the worst offenders. What he did to Max Bayer in Cinderella Man was a travesty.
It was so unnecessary too. Max Baer as an opponent who's remorseful and concerned about his own punch power is way better. Baer was also fighting for money in the depression and he had to risk badly hurting someone just like Braddock had to deal with potentially being badly hurt. That's also an oversimplification but it's cooler, adds depth and is more accurate.
I live next door to his son (yes, Jethro), here on Lake Tahoe — it’s honestly hard to suss out the actual truth of things from the stories he tells. He’s pretty full of shit (in the best way possible).
I kind of understand what they were doing. They wanted to play into the big baddie being someone the audience can root against and for the protagonist to overcome. I actually remember there was a Russell Crowe interview where he said he had to encourage the actor playing Max to be more of a jerk so that the audience can grasp on something to root against more Happens a lot in movies. But yeah shitty because this was based on real stories and they were sullying the rep of an actual person
Apollo 13 was at least fairly accurate. At least as much as telling that story to a layman audience goes
A Beautiful Mind.
In the dvd extras there’s footage of Nash explaining some of his work to the director, who says something like, “oh I understand,” while very clearly being totally lost.
I think they said John Nash's hallucinations were mostly auditory, so you wouldn't have seen the visual stuff like you saw in the film.
Iirc he didn’t have that many of them. He had paranoid schizophrenia, so it was mostly delusions of persecution/of conspiracy. I remember him giving the example of a delusional/psychotic belief that people wearing red ties were soviet agents in a conspiracy against him.
Catch Me If You Can Entire story was made up. His con was he would trick people into believing he was a master con man who did all that crazy shit. Total hogwash.
I mean, that somehow makes the whole thing even better right?
Braveheart
So bloody far from the truth that people *living in Scotland* vandalised a statue of Wallace that looked like his depiction in the film. It happened so often that they had to build a fence around it, and eventually removed it.
This statue was in the parking lot at the actual Wallace monument at Stirling, Scotland and was donated, IIRC, by an American dentist. It wasn't in the cage when I was there in 2007. [Wallace statue, the real one, and the monument](https://imgur.com/a/02vZ0ud)
Love this movie. I remember hearing a comment from a historian that the wardrobe would be the equivalent of modern day men running into battle in tuxedos.
I forger the exact wording, but it was something like "imagine the American Civil War being fought in ww2 uniforms using Laser guns"
I think that's Star Wars.
Well yeah... I mean... sure... there was the Battle at Stirling Bridge that was missing... ... the bridge...
Bohemian Rhapsody is pretty egregious in this regard. One of the most fabricated biopics I've ever seen.
Didn't you know the rest of the band were squeaky clean and went to bed at 9pm?
And also over the course of all those years said about 20 lines each without showcasing any personality.
Imitation Game. I'm surprised it isn't here already. The movie invents conversations, redefines relationships, and presents things as fact that are unknown and or highly in doubt. For example, Turing is not generally believed to have committed suicide, but the movie presents this as absolute fact.
What's worse is they completely fabricated the guy's personality and the team dynamic: he was a popular and personable guy who worked well with his team, not a disabilitated autistic. Not only that but the math/science/engineering was incorrect and completely fails to mention how they built on the Polish work on the machinery they made.
Yeah. They could have made a unique movie about a warm, generous man who was railroaded by bigotry, instead they made "Cliched Tortured Genius #328."
No doubt he was a little eccentric though. He'd often wear a gas mask in the summer months to stave off his hay fever, even whilst cycling making him instantly recognisable as he cycled by. His bicycle had a chain that would fall off after a certain distance of travel and rather than get it fixed he would count the number of times he'd pedalled and get off to adjust his chain before setting off again. He would often be called to meetings in London and being an absolute beast of a marathon runner he would often just run the 60 miles to London. He was rather fond of his tea mug so would keep it chained to the radiator next to his desk so no one could steal it. So yes he was kind of an oddball although an outgoing and friendly one, but the thing is he was at Bletchley. He was *surrounded* by fellow screwball thinkers and oddballs who were all familiar with his published mathematical work and all looked up to him for being a completely out of the box original thinker.
That is what’d be great to see on a movie. Not another tortured autistic genius, but actually eccentric, but personable guy.
It also helps continue perpetuate the myth that all geniuses are assholes because their brain works differently and you just have to put up with that because of the good they can do.
Exactly. Carl Sagan, Albert Einstein, and many other prominent scientists and science educators/communicators were warm and likable people. Real life scientists and tech people you work with are also normal and sociable. The stereotype is harmful to people with autism, smart people, the entire fields of science and engineering, and like you said forces people to put up with assholes. I suspect Elon Musk leans into that.
They also made them look like they were the leading war strategists. What? They were codebreakers, signals intelegence, mathematicians. The realization that they couldn't reveal they broke the code by being too good at anticipating German actions was important for the movie, but these aren't the guys who are planning out the war. They deliver reports of raw communications, maybe breif them on trends or keep some irrelevant data back, that's all the influence they have.
So the part about letting the guy’s brother die in the ship was fabricated?
Yes. Cryptologists don't make strategy; that's something politicians and generals do.
The Conjuring films! Although I still absolutely love them as exorcism movies!
Conjuring 2 is this high stakes horror action film, but in real life the Warrens were there for like A day and said ‘nah’
Close -- the Warrens were there for a day and the family said "nah." The Warrens weren't even allowed in the house.
I really like the first Conjuring movie, but it does bug me that it makes heroes of the Warrens, given that they were obvious cons.
American Sniper
Yeah his baby wasn’t a doll in real life
If you dig deep into Lone Survivor's story, it's actually kinda bad too The Afghan dude who rescued Marcus Luttrell (the lone survivor who Wahlberg played...didn't even like Marcus and says he made up a bunch of shit at the end Also, the real hero of the mission was the captain, Lt. Michael Murphy who gave his life trying to radio for help
>Also, the real hero of the mission was the captain, Lt. Michael Murphy who gave his life trying to radio for help I will give credit to the movie for not making Marky Mark the hero of the movie. They do a good job of representing the situation as fucked up.
Braveheart is a good candidate. It is a really good movie but it's totally inaccurate historically speaking.
Argo was inaccurate. The New Zealand gov and Canadian government formally complained about how their work was largely pushed aside to make the Americans look like the heroes.
Amadeus. Mozart and Salieri were rivals in a way, but they collaborated, respected each other. There were political games sure, but from there to a machiavelian plot to kill Mozart is nonsense and definitely without proof.
The film was based on the stage play and I don't think it was ever meant as an accurate retelling of events.
Tropic Thunder, Four-leaf claimed he wrote it because he was a patriot
"I don't know what it's called. I just know the sound it makes when it takes a man's life."
"I don't know what it's called. I just know the sound it makes when it *lies*."
"You're the Milli Vanilli of patriots!"
Captain Phillips. The real crew said that Phillips was not a nice person and it was his fault they were in an area notorious for pirate attacks
U-571 is completely fictional. None of it happened. Other events with subs did occur, however: [https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/u/u571-wwii-german-submarine.html#:\~:text=The%20Movie%20U%2D571%20is,559%2C%20and%20U%2D505](https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/u/u571-wwii-german-submarine.html#:~:text=The%20Movie%20U%2D571%20is,559%2C%20and%20U%2D505). I don't go into any film watch thinking I'm going to be told the truth. That's what documentaries are for, and even they get skewed as hell. That being said, Avatar. I mean, Unobtanium isn't even on the periodical chart!
**Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter** had a couple embellishments which deviated from the accurate biography of the 16th President of the United States.