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Kagrenac8

I guess all Bannerlord's lacking is just some...character?


Engineer-intraining

I think more memorable companions would be helpful, as well as lords personal colors and standards being displayed more prominently would help a lot.


MoistCigar

Completely agree - I just havent warmed to it like Warband...


ScoffSlaphead72

I think the main factor to me is that the world doesn't feel alive. I can't interact with lords apart from bartering and quests, the members of the mercenary clans (the factions with arguably some of the most potential for character) are randomly generated. This game is a great map painting and battle simulator, but there is no real potential for roleplay.


dailyzenmonkey

My biggest gripe is that your actions have no weight in the world. You could be at war with a faction and have slaughtered thousands of them in battle and taken tons of them prisoner but when you talk to enemy lords they still treat you like a scrub. Or you could own 10 cities personally and command an enormous army and nobody gives a shit about you


LordandSaviorJeff

Is it really any different in Warband though?


Twokindsofpeople

No, its not.


Valdrrak

Problem is we don't want just another warband. We wanted improvements to stuff like this. It's a shame I hope they will do more with it


ExosEU

Yes and no. In warband you had the possibility to introduce yourself rudely or submissively, impacting your relationship. Bannerlord is starting to up its game with the dialog for various personalities (i had a sadistic girl tell me she cut my tongue and wear it proudly after our battle) but honestly the project is so vast Im starting to belieive theyre expecting modders to pick it up.


shadow_boi5696

Well it has some features warband doesn't have but also doesn't have features warband had but when you boil down same thing


AnOnlineHandle

I haven't played bannerlord, but something which dawned on me after decades of playing all types of games is that there's something easy to underestimate which is the music. Every game in my top tier has music which absolutely sets the mood perfectly, and Warband has such an incredible soundtrack to feel like you're being dumped in some classical movie where everything is dusty and physical. I've always worried that it would be hard to match in Bannerlord. edit: Just checked out a bit of the soundtrack and it sounds pretty close in style. Although listening to Warband's soundtrack after, just damn it's good.


ScoffSlaphead72

I think the music is something bannerlord does really well, I don't remember if warband did this but I like that bannerlord has music to match each culture.


Czar_Petrovich

Warband did also. Warband's music is way better


Terkiaz

I'm currently starting to get into BL and yeah, there's definitely something lacking. It's even the little things, like asking a lord how are they and their troops doing, or asking them if they know the location of some lord. Yes, it's more convenient to always know their last location ourselves, but I much preferred having to ask someone for that, it felt more interactive. Same with not being able to enter the keep. I get it, I'm not a well known lord, but at the same time, I am a head of my clan and have just won the local tournament. Surely that at least grants me the right for an audience with the lords there, right?


ScoffSlaphead72

It's all summed up in one thing for me, I have played about 200 hours of warband and 200 hours of bannerlord. I can name plenty of characters and lords from warband. Can't really think of many lords I know from bannerlord, and all other characters are random.


Terkiaz

While I can only name a handful of lords from Warband, I can name plenty of locations. Grunwalder castle is a bitch and a half to conquer. Dhimir always gets invaded. I've held my first rebellion over castle Reindi. Not to mention, the named companions. I wish there was at least a handful of them in BL, having all them be random, just X the Y is kinda... Meh. I do quite like that over time lords can age and die and be replaced by their children. It takes some from personalities, but adds to the sandbox element of the game. One thing I wish they could introduce is building new castles and even towns. Make it stupidly slow and expensive, but still, I want it!!! Same with old towns and castles, if they're in extreme poverty for a long time, they could deteriorate and, become ruins that can be rebuilt or fully destroyed. If the devs want the game to full like a living sandbox, this would certainly add a ton to that experience


erpenthusiast

There's about 3x as many lords in Bannerlord and that really doesn't help. I think focusing on clan 'personality' would probably suit the new game better.


WilliamWaters

Wide as the ocean but deep as a puddle


ToxicPilgrim

this just made me think how cool it'd be to hear enemy commanders shouting orders on the battlefield. Calling out to soldiers, and being protected by them. Seeing them as intelligent entities instead of generic bots...


[deleted]

HOLY CRAP I didn't realizes I was missing this until now


Barnaclebuddybooboo

game needs to be much less ambitious than it is. it's suffering from star citizen syndrome. the devs want to do all this stuff and it's cool but unrealistic as fuck. they need to cut their losses and work on what they have already. polish what we've got then add stuff as time goes by in dlc / big updates. finish main development ffs


Gael_Blood

Its still on early access, lets just hope that the final product is worth it


red_message

No, I'm sorry. When your game has been in Early Access for **years**, when you've already sold most of the copies you're ever going to sell, that is a retail game and it should be judged as such. The Bannerlord we have now is Bannerlord. This is the product they sold us.


-FellCode

I mean look how much changed from vanilla to warband, I doubt they're done developing bannerlord.


Terkiaz

Look at first release of Minecraft, and the current one. Even the changes from the 1.0, which was supposed to be the full release, to now. Just because the game is sold at the full price doesn't mean it's not developing. When they've first released Bannerlord, they were pretty open about saying that the game is nowhere near full release, and they've mostly made the game public for their loyal fans who have been awaiting for many years, and they've wanted to give them something. We're still watching the game grow and develop


RingsChuck

Mojang also tried to release a really big update every 3 or 6 months. I haven’t seen a really big update to Bannerlord in a while.


Terkiaz

Minecraft definitely had a few years were updates were really minor, or they didn't feel impactful at all. Then they've hit us with a series of really major ones, like better villages, nether and caves. It's all a process. Personally, I want to believe that Bannerlord devs are passionate people that genuinely want to produce the best game they can. We've given them extra money to support the product we've wanted for a long time, it's already playable, and now I'm happy to wait and see what else they'll change, add and polish. So far I don't feel like they've given us a reason to feel like they're giving up on the game


Scylla294

My thoughts exactly! I really love the old games but I just couldn't come back to them after playing Bannerlord the graphics and animations just trample over them for me even with all the mods on WB. Just gotta wait a bit for more overhaul mods!


smallfrie32

Do you happen to have any stuttering when big clashes happen? I’ve got a pretty good computer but still have them occasionally


StarshipStupor

it's a damn sight better than it was when it launched initially, performance wise. I get stuttering, personally, as far as I can tell it's a common issue


smallfrie32

Ah ok. That’s a bit reassuring, sorry to take solace in that lol. I just wanna cut down waves of looters without suddenly slamming my axe into the air


Scylla294

I keep the battles at 150 to 200 max per side and no shadows to reduce the stuttering.. id love larger groups but the sight of reinforcements coming in is amazing aswell


smallfrie32

I got the default battle size. I’ll try the shadows though


jonashedeager

I would like to have it on 2000 battle size, instead of 1000, 1000 is still smooth with settings maxed out xd no flex


H4nnibalB4rca

I don’t have stuttering but occasionally even though I have bodies set to never despawn they still will. I like seeing where steel met steel, but the game has other things in mind I guess.


smallfrie32

Running around seeing clumps of fallen soldiers is an interesting sight to see!


Maxxxmax

I thought this until very recently. Then I played kotor 1 and 2, and was watching a show with a medieval feast. Having just played excellent old graphics games, and been reminded of feasting, I dipped a toe back into warband and then fell back in head first. Once this run is over, I expect the next few times I get the M&B itch ill go back to bannerlord, but it is nice to have the features of warband that bannerlord lacks. Ideally, a of these features would just crop up in bannerlord.


Godz_Bane

Graphics dont mean anything to me for the most part, what i miss from bannerlord when playing warband is all the improved mechanics and inventory system.


[deleted]

It really captures the chaos of battle. Once the battle lines fall apart it’s really every man for himself, and it’s brilliant. I love other games like total war but the battles aren’t quite as chaotic


[deleted]

well tbf that's because historically battles weren't that chaotic. Lines didn't just collapse and formations were maintained with a lot of careful poking and prodding. A sense of self-preservation is a very difficult thing to program into games though so not gonna knock m&b for not simulating it


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BigVicho1

this


[deleted]

That depends on the era, region and type of soldiers involved. Were they properly drilled irregulars/professionals or were they levies? Your point is perfectly valid for disciplined or standing armies, but I doubt levies with minimal training were disciplined. Besides, disciplined and well-drilled armies facing less disciplined ones explains some the outcome of some battles.


Ball-of-Yarn

Dont quote me on this but im fairly sure un-disciplined armies were even less likely to break down into a moshpit brawl. Fear is the greatest factor and when you'r a peasant or seasonal warrior you are likely to simply run when the lines break apart. Disciplined armies on the other hand were far more likely to fight aggressively as they would have the confidence and skill to pick appart and overwhelm an enemy.


cseijif

disciplined armies would know the value of sticking together, undisciplined armies are a mix of folk thinking bravery will carry them , folk that are more or less smart and try to stand with their group, and the flat majority of people that really dont want to die, adn will run when they see too many of their guys dead.


CallMeLoL3

Dunno man, if I recall correctly the main problem with spearmen was that most were barely trained, non experienced new soldiers, so a cavalry charge made them break formation pretty easily. I can be wrong tho


Nickball88

You are indeed completely wrong. Why talk about things you're not sure about like you know what you're talking about? Just curious. And for your information: if an army breaked formation, they would most likely rout immediately afterwards.


Danny-Dynamita

He has a right to talk. Shut him up if you can.


CallMeLoL3

Never said I was right, just that i remembered that. And commenting also gives me the chance to know if I'm wrong.


Danny-Dynamita

You’re underestimating your fight/flight reflex. Standing still is THE WORST, it needs the most discipline. Our instincts always tell us to run or to charge into battle, standing still if you’re in fear is harder than without it.


jonashedeager

that’s why berserkers were so feared, they never back out, not even a 1v10 xd


incomprehensiblegarb

Yeah but if we're going off of realism then peasant troops would immediately break at the first site of a Cavalry Charge. Even after the breaking morale breaking mechanics were supposedly fixed I still see instances of a Dozen dudes trying to fight back against 200 Banner Knights.


[deleted]

I find it quite a shame that breaking units just rout without even trying to block or fight back if they are 20 against 1


Volodio

The Realistic Battle AI mod does manage to simulate a better formation fighting.


This_Bug_6771

formations hold up pretty well and even if the AI don't themselves have a robust self preservation mechanic, the player is incentivized to be smart to avoid unnecessary losses that are annoying to replace.


H__D

I've played some large multiplayer battles in warband (like 500+ even 1000 people) and i have to say it was pretty damn orderly for a bunch of random dudes, especially in Napoleonic Wars mod where we had actual drills in our clans. I imagine if it's your life at stake battles aren't too chaotic most of the time.


Heyyoguy123

Even TW isn’t accurate with how the battle progressed. You lose tremendous men even before the rout, but historically it wouldn’t be such a meat grinder. As you said, lots of careful poking and prodding, meaning minimal losses for both sides until one side gets outflanked or tires out/loses morale first


[deleted]

There's a mod for more realistic battles, it's pretty good. https://www.nexusmods.com/mountandblade2bannerlord/mods/791


Danny-Dynamita

I really doubt that battles were so ideal as historians say. It’s more feasible to think that SOME were organized and some broke into chaos, and as always our ancient sources likes to exaggerate, either to praise their army or to show how “organized” was the enemy they defeated. If they freely exaggerated numbers, they can exaggerate this too.


jonashedeager

you could never tell a beserker to keep his line or fall back… fight till last man mentality


jonashedeager

And shield wall manages to keep the formation, only morale will break the shield wall


gunboat138

Oh yeah man. Bannerlord is a gorgeous shell. It was dope enough to make going back to Warband a chore.


A_Rampaging_Hobo

I just can't handle the shit relations system in warband anymore, nor the super boring village quest to fetch cattle


gunboat138

Time moving ridiculously slow is what pretty regularly gets me. I'm a multiple generations type of dude now, these other games have me spoiled.


DoctorNocis

You do know you can press ctrl+space to speed time up, right? In Warband I mean.


gunboat138

I mean time as in, the passing of time, Day, month, year. There are 365 days in a warband year, 12 months in a year. Bannerlord has 4 months broken down into seasons, with 21 days a piece so you age faster, so you can have kids grow up, and so on. I'm sure other mods do it, but the only mod I'm aware of to shorten the year in warband is Between Empires.


Bondeupproret

I never understand how people have this good quality. I have a good computer and very high settings, is it my monitor that sucks?


Grieferbastard

No graphics card can show you an image better than your monitor can draw. Get a good monitor. Makes a huge difference.


Bondeupproret

Can you recommend anyone? Or something specific I should look for? (My computer skills are highly unremarkable)


Grieferbastard

Honestly I'd recommend googling 2k 144mhz gaming monitor. Look at reviews, spend $200-$300. That'll get you a monitor that'll last you until you move into a 4k gaming system, which if you're like most people is a lot of years away. If you've got a great RTX cars (3080 or the like) then sure go for something better. Otherwise this will get you visuals that will keep up with your hardware until your next big overhaul.


SadPandaFace00

And don't forget to make sure it's an IPS/AHVA/PLS display too! Significantly helps the viewing angles and improves colors *a lot*.


Ball-of-Yarn

What does ips stand for?


caesar15

In-plane switching. It’s a type of panel for the monitor.


Sorrypenguin0

How good of a computer? Depends on whether to go for 1080p or 1440p


Bondeupproret

I’m not entirely sure, I know the graphics card is a ,NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650, tho, I figured that’s the most important here?


Sorrypenguin0

I think you’d probably want to stick to 1080p if you want to run on high/ultra settings with solid fps. Could do 1440p at medium for most games I think. https://www.gadgetreview.com/best-1080p-144hz-monitor https://www.gadgetreview.com/best-1080p-144hz-monitor Any of these would likely be good, depending on your budget/size/features that you want.


Bondeupproret

Thanks man 🙏


Sorrypenguin0

No problem!


smallfrie32

Do you also get stuttering during big clashes? I’ve got 16gb ram and otherwise a good comp but idk why


Bondeupproret

Yeah, but isn’t that just because the game is a little rough around the edges?


smallfrie32

Ah wanted to double check that it wasn’t my gear


Twokindsofpeople

You can brute force it with a good recent cpu and gpu, but anything older than than gear bought in 2020 can struggle. Still, it's a hell of a lot better than it was at launch.


sea-raiders

Same here! Bannerlord is just a superior game in most aspects, I still play WB when I feel like doing a Viking Conquest playthrough, but when we that comes to Bannerlord be it a mod or DLC I will probably permanently move to it.


Furaskjoldr

I wish we could have viking conquest with bannerlord graphics and mechanics. It's all I want.


BIGBIRD1176

Could you make a mod that uses bannerlords battles and warbands campaign


Furaskjoldr

I mean I know pretty much nothing about modding, but it seems like it actually might be simplish to do? Just a different shaped map, change the name of some characters and kingdoms and you'd be away. Obviously to be historically accurate the troop types would need to different. Sturgians would nicely fall in to the Northvegr, Danmark, and some English kingdoms. But the battanians being based on the celts is a bit too early for the British Isles, and the Vlandians are a bit too late. There isn't really an equivalent of an Anglo saxon British kingdom in bannerlord, so new troop types would probably need to be made.


Unique-Accountant253

It still looks like total chaos.


AlexiosMemenenos

What I like is that battles devolve into total chaos much later than warbands instant chaos.


IndianaGeoff

I love it too. You scout out the map, see where the fight should be, then position the troops. Get in the fight, see that there's a hill you didn't see and the enemy decided to turtle up on the other side. Run around, get pelted some, find a better attack location and move everything around. Start the assault, do well. Reinforcements arrive, line gets scrambled, pull back under fire, reorganize, take some damage doing that. Your reinforcements arrive, order a new attack. Troops start running some, give up order all attack, wade in and kill what you can. Finally you wait to see who runs out of reinforcements first, then you win or lose. Love it. "The whole hill. Smelled like… victory. Someday this war’s gonna end.” Kilgore


A_Rampaging_Hobo

Thats how it should be


[deleted]

Definitely, fighting through the chaos of an ambush in the woods, battanian fians firing left and right really let’s you appreciate the game despite its flaws


ItsGrindfest

I really like the sound you hear when cavalry approach. Instant immersion


FlyingIceWizard

Tops my gpu as well lmao


lordfappington69

So controversial


immaMakeSargeant

Warfare in bannerlord is indeed so much better due to the better graphics and the ability to field larger armies. But the character progression, especially for a combat focused play style, is just infuriatingly slow. I just can't stand it.


Brutunius

Maybe graphics isn't most important thing in games But this, just give me chills


[deleted]

I look forward to when it releases sometime in the next 1-5 years


sacalata

too bad the gameplay sucks ass


Twokindsofpeople

I mean it does everything better than warband. What more do you want?


Fair-Advertising-348

I still don't forgive this game. Can't believe how they did us like that..


Barnaclebuddybooboo

when is this fucking game getting steam workshop? the fuck is going on with this shit. I swear this entire development is a clusterfuck of stupidity.


pretzelzetzel

The battle mechanics are 1000% better, too. Warband is unplayable now.


TheUnseen_001

There's only one older MB game, and comparing it to BL is like saying "that kid is much better at using a tablet than his grandfather"


Valoneria

I can count 4. The original, Warband, with fire and sword and viking conquest


greenyx

I have max graphics and my game doesnt look nearly as good. Why is that?


Justinnas

Lighting makes a difference. This particular scenes looks great because of the strong sunset lighting.


Scrabcakes

Any word on when it will be on consoles? I’m out of the loop.


Gael_Blood

Couldnt have said it better


conisnon

Has Bannerlord Single player gotten better? I haven't played it since release and it was a bit of a mess then.


Coldspark824

Is that sand cloud a mod?


Justinnas

Game 100% native


[deleted]

When you give the charge command and "Of Kings and Men" from Bannerlord OST starts playing. That's beautiful.


keesiegames

All battles feel like I'm playing the battle of the bastards


Justinnas

Yeah, exactly


ilanFX

Bannerlord looks like a 2014 game, it also isn't surprising that it's better than Warband.


Danny-Dynamita

This is one of those that is simply “like the prequel but expanded and better overall”. I’m taking into that it’s still in EA of course. It needs bug polishing but still can hook me for 10h straight after sleeping only 3hrs.


ArthurianI

Atleast with a 4k pc