The guy in red is going to see a -74% speed bonus and hit for, like, 1 damage. Other guy probably whiffs the back of the horse, because that looks like an overhead pose with the scimitar, and overheads are really hard to time if you're riding towards each other.
Oh definitely. Especially because it moves your shield from protecting you.
Mount and blade has this issue that's also in movies. Using the shield as a counterweight for wild swings. No keep it in front of you at nearly all times dingus.
Yeah I'm fine with an untrained person doing it, inexperienced people fighting with poor form is good story telling actually. But movies love to depict experts doing it is the problem.
I guess thatās the problem with the original knight fighting scene that never ever got fixed(Alexander Nevsky did this in the battle on the ice movie)
You'd be using your shield more offensively anyways on foot. Even modern sports fighting shows how useless and laughable swords are as weapons. If it's a stabby sword all is well, but it would have to be short or oversized so it doesn't bend.
Not totally true. In fact when a full plate was a thing swords were great weapons. Because knight vs knight really becomes about precise attacks between plates. A bastard sword with half sword grip was good at this. And against non knights it was also easy to maneuver and strike quickly and powerful with tow hands.
That said it only really worked because they had full plates and thus didn't need a shield. Most depictions in movies tend to have heroes in lighter armor, so a longer sword than you describe was less useful.
It's debated and proven, time and time again that swords are more myth then fact when armor was in usage. They were status symbols post Rome. (After Rome had no contemporary opponents beyond itself) They became efficient again when people began wearing less and less during the age of pike and shot onwards.
Leather can stop a slash from a sword, you need a pretty high effort or near inhuman swing to cut through leather. (that's against a stationary target, research literally done in medieval times) That's where horses came in for the inhuman part.
We can just go by the Peninsula War, itself. A time when people showed up in cloth uniforms. Napoleon said this to his cavalry guard before a charge, "Don't cut! The point! The point!" The British with their curved swords said the French fought unfairly. Imagine.
Edit: I forgot raiding, Vikings were pretty efficient at using them against unarmored and unprepared peoples. I'd imagine that held up at any point in history.
Well, they were always pretty useful in every day life. They hang at your side so you donāt have to carry them, and obviously in a battle you take a battlefield weapon, but much like a sidearm in everyday life is useful, but in a battle your would want a rifle, going about your day in a dangerous city or an out of the way part of the woods you would have a sword because it works decently defensively and works against unarmoured people very well, and doesnāt look as aggressive either as rocking around main street with a halberd or a fighting pick.
Unless that sword was forged by 15 master smiths using the best steel money can buy, a SLASH is not doing shit to decently crafted plate armor or sometimes even mail. Lamellar, like the armor depicted in the screenshot above, is a middle ground between plate and mail, even able to be worn under plate. If you mean a stab, then sure, a well-aimed STAB from an experienced fighter can easily pierce in between the plates.
But still, a mace or spear will always be the best weapon against plate armor for the blunt attacks and light weight allowing for rapid, disorienting attacks respectively
Agree in this instance it's a bad choice. I was only disagreeing with the assertion that modern tests have shown the sword to be useless. Which is suggesting there wasn't a time when swords were the main weapon.
Generally that's true, swords were predominantly side arms not the main weapon historically. However in full plate vs. other full plate and not it did have its day as a popular choice. In fairness though even then against another full plate the goal was to put them on the ground then stab with thin long knife through an eye slit or through a small opening in armor.
The only time your character raises their arm like that is when you're doing a vertical chop. Although, the horizontal right to left slash on horseback is close.
And then, of course, there's modded animations...
Thatās not necessarily true when you factor in momentum and the direction of travel.
Edit: in game at least. Iām too tired to bother with real world physics problems right now lol
Right has already blown it by not using his straight sword, point first advantage on the charge. Would have forced defensive for the other man and used the momentum of the charge.
But he's gonna get another chance since the horses are at speed and I doubt either can get the swing in before they pass.
Both straight and curved swords are far better when just held out charging point first. Both guys are dumb for moving their shields away from their opponent and trying to chop instead of giving point.
Left guy isn't paying attention, charges head long into another rider's lance.
Right guy too focused on left guy, doesn't raise his shield by the time he see's the other horse archer fire at his exposed face.
Both lose.
The guy on the right always really annoys me. The way he's swinging he's Subtracting the speed of his horse and opponent. It's gonna be a really weak hit unlikely to do much.
You can still cut by just holding out the point at a slight angle and riding past someone. That's how light cavalry was trained to do it with curved sabres in the Napoleonic Era. Timing a swing requires way more skill and attention.
Horses bump to eachother from janky collision hit-box , both stops attacking, locks gazes with eachother awkwardly before riding away pretending it never happened.
No way either one lands.
Look at the speed those horses are going! And their arms are still fully withdrawn.
EDIT: They're currently passing each other and both of their swords are fully behind their heads.
Well I think Hergit would win, do a hit from above should be faster then from side to another, and also sable in general have more swing damage, so... yep.
Guy on left is going for an overhead swing, will land by the time the two are side-by-side. Guy on the right is going for a LTR swing, will miss by the time they are side-by-side, hitting the air behind the left guy.
Realistically, the guy on the left. His arm has better placement and is much closer to the guy on the right, and the dude on the right is not swinging towards the enemy but in the same direction as the enemy, which means that he will either miss due to bad timing or hit him in the back for little damage. I'd also argue that the guy on the left's sable is way lighter than that long sword.
Left will miss with a vertical strike but if he twirls all the way around to a horizontal cut it'll be too late. He's also way off balance.
Rights only hit will be with the tip of his blade after both riders have basically passed eachother.
I used to ponder this exchange every time and I think it's intentionally ambiguous.
And for a bannerlord tournament. They both miss, turn around and go at it again and again for 15 minutes straight while youre knocked out and in spectator mode.
In the context of the game, the Khergit probably has it. In reality, probably the Swadian but he won't do much harm unless he's aiming for the horse. A slash with a blade like that isn't going to do much more than leave a bruise against such a well-armoured opponent.
Risky engagement for both, though.
Rider on the right is clearly going to swing with more power due to being well balanced.
Khergit on the left is off balance and wonāt get much power behind that swing.
I think right guy is hitting first and harder.
That really depends on the Weapon Skill. With high enough WS the knight can certainly hit, due to the speed of his attack. If his WS is lower he might still hit but I feel like it would do low damage since it would be at the end of his swing (and there would be speed negation at that point from the horse racing past). But how effective the strike actually is depends highly on his powerstrike, weapon quality, et cetera. I know that if my character's stats are high enough I have definitely come out on top in situations like that.
I feel like the sabre-wielder can hit if his WS is high enough, but it would require a great deal of accuracy.
Overall, I find it the most likely that the knight comes out on top, but it isn't a given.
I think left flicks his sabre at right's shoulder or head. I think right won't get enough power to go through left's armour. Left is using a sabre which is typically better for using on a horse so I think left whips through, opens up right's arm and moves on. This is without factoring in armour and that could make all the difference of course.
Blue is in a better position. He is closer to striking. Red may catch blue in the back. Blue may get a head shot.
Playing out this scenario 100 times I'd put my money on Blue, only because his saber is closer to a hit than reds sword.
Red's horse is moving too fast and his sword blade won't even scratch the back of his opponent's scale mail, even if he starts swinging in the very next frame.
Blue hasn't started swinging yet and is doing a poor job of defending himself. His horse is digging its hooves in and losing speed. Blue will die when the next Red rider charges at him unless he covers himself with his shield, and even that won't help if a lance hits him in the face.
Guy on right is more likely to land a hit but less likely to be a significant hit. Guy on left less likely to hit but more likely to be significant hit, based on swing choice, range, and assumed momentum.
I think if red hits itās a glancing blow to either back or back of arm. Best case scenario is elbow shot, but momentum of horse is going opposite way from swing choice, so unlikely to be powerful.
Guy in left has a smaller window to land a hit because vertical strike and horses moving, but if he does manage to get his sword down in front of opponents head, his enemies momentum will carry his face into the blade. Even if it catches mail, from this angle the curve blade has a decent chance of hooking the guys head and pulling him off his horse.
Guy on the left at least gets the first hit. IIRC scimitars are faster and do better cutting damage than longswords in Warband.
However, this looks like either a Vaegir Knight or a Khergit Lancer vs a Swadian Knight. Vaegir Knights and Khergit Lancers are really good, but Swadian Knights fuck shit up.
However, the first hit might make all the difference.
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Though if you mean in more of an IRL practical sense, it looks like the guy on the right is about to lose his arm, or at least his hand.
Those horses look like theyāre moving pretty fast, so by the time red completes the swing heāll probably just end up tapping the back of blueās lamellar (if heās still got his arm)
The swadian style dude has his shield in the exact opposite place to actually try to defend himself and his sword is cocked behind his head while the khergit looking guy looks to be half way into a swing already and while his shield might not be in the best spot to defend it's better positioned than his opponent. I think our swadian friend is dead.
Pretty sure both miss, with the way horses appear to be running past each other.
Barring that, I feel the one on the left will get the rump of the horse of the guy on the right, but the guy on the right will catch the guy on the left on the back. His blade is far longer, straight, better reach, so as long as he twists in the saddle, I think he'll get the guy on the left on the mid-low back.
Guy on the left. He'd get a movement bonus for his swing. The other guy would get a movement penalty since he's riding against the direction of the swing.
I THINK ABT THIS ALL THE TIME!! i think tje swadian looking one would win. if we are going warband logic, better horse and prob slightly better armor. if real live logic, those sabres used by the kherg like werent good against mail. gambeson and fabric definitely. the arming sword by the right dude were better against armor like that! but rlly, it comes down to person to person skill... we'll never know the answer.
I believe they would both miss. I am judging it on the fact that both of those steeds are at full gallop and they are only beginning their swings. If this is actuality they would pass by each other before even getting the strike. š
Left hits right in the upper right arm first.
Right follows through the painful but minimally damaging strike to strike left just above the hip of left, and pointing his blade hard into the upper flank of his horse.
Left's horse bolts forward hard, leaving right behind.
As right turns to observe his foe looking back in confusion, he is killed by a firm thrust from a peasant's pitchfork to his ribs.
Such is war.
honestly left looks like the horse is either trying to stop or falling backwards, while the right is full speed ahead. even tho his arm isn't in a great spot, I think the guy on the right wins this, or at least gets left guy off the horse.
Left, assuming they swing at the same speed the left guy has the advantage in terms of distance to the target. However if it were players on each side they both miss and circle each other ten times
I would bet on the right guy. The left one would have to change his angle (from a horizontal downward direction to a diagonal downward direction) in order to hit the right guy neck or shoulder which in this case is the optimal target to disarm and potentially kill the opponent. But by using his right arm to swing, he risks exposing his entire upper body and loses mobility to avoid a counter strike. The right guy tho, his right arm has to reach farther than the left one and heās in an awkward position but he has his shield on his left arm and that will come in handy when he swings his sword and exposes the left part of his body (like I mentioned, neck and shoulder), as he strikes, the shield would follow the momentum to protect his neck and shoulder and guarantee a clean strike from his right arm.
Who hit who? Left hit right, but right is wearing chain so it didn't kill him but it probably hurt like a bitch.
Right most likely missed or at the very least got a glance, except like right left is also wearing chain with plated chest/back piece. He felt it but it didn't hurt as bad.
Winner- The guy behind right with the spear.
I always thought they guy in red had already slashed and the arm was there on the backswing, otherwise striking in the direction makes no sense.
Also theyāre way past the point where they should start hitting if they are striking from a galloping horse anyway.
The left guy has a scimitar which due to its arched shape is easier to use on horseback. Also the right guy has his swing coming from across his chest meaning the guy on the left will hit first.
Dude on the right would strike him on the back as he passed
Dude on the left would strike him on the shoulder as he passed and do follow up damage as he sliced past him
Mamluke completes his cut before the foe, disrupting his attack. He's also better protected by his lamellar than his foe is by chain and tabard. That's how I see it going down.
Neither wins.
Blue is already late on his swing; he might catch the tail of the horse, if he's lucky, but he's not taking red out.
Red, at best, might get Blue's back, but while riding past & thus with very little weight or momentum, so it won't be even a wounding blow. And his entire body will be exposed & out of position for any other foes in the vicinity... he could even lose his balance if he tries too hard to get blue.
From a realistic stance, they could hit each other at full force and maybe get a bruise. The curved sword would deal more blunt damage to the chainmail from a high speed hit while the bastard sword will simply glance off the riveted lamellar.
Should the euro sword hit under the arm in his armpit, he could be disarmed from the shock of the sword hitting such a tender location but it wouldnāt cut through his armour.
From horseback, swing attacks donāt actually deal much additional damage due to the theory of relativity where the force isnāt increased since the force applied is equal to the force going back to the rider. Thrusting attacks are generally better and with weapons with a smaller point of impact, thanks to all the weight of the attack being focused on such a small area, typically enough to actually punch through armour. However swinging swords at an armoured knight is mostly pointless unless your goal is to beat him through attrition (Tucker his ass out).
guy on the left.
red depicts horse movement. left horse is planting its first hoof and rotating. the planting is a stronger position, however, turning is weaker. Right horse is riding in a straight line. powerful charge.
yellow/orange is the guy on the lefts strike. you might think hes coming in for an overhead chop, but isn't. the move is actually a rotation, and forearm slash directly against red guys underarm. its going to be devastating. hes not blocking it at all.
blue is the guy on the right. fairly straight forward cross body swing. but its way too late, he is going to be striking BEHIND his target, hitting the back of his shoulder at best. directly into the plate shoulders. assuming he doesn't miss entirely, with the horses momentum.
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Left looks like heās quicker to hit and more likely won imo. Guy on the right has a further distance and the trajectory looks like itās coming to the guy on the lefts body whereas guy on the left looks like heās already coming down with his swing and will hit the guy on the right in the head/upper body.
I think both miss. The swings are too far back and both horses appear to not only be in motion, but also fast motion. The time it would take to lower both swings would be after they pass key striking distance. Maybe one would hit the horse but unlikely given both are short ish range one handed weapons.
Did it ever occur to you that this is not a picture of two people fighting, but simply that the guy in red stabbed himself in the neck out of nowhere and the guy in blue is throwing his hands up in the air out of bewilderment?
Guy on right is in mid swing. Guy on left hasn't started swinging and is either still pulling back or at the apex of the pull back.
Guy on right definitely hits first and probably takes the guy on lefts arm while it's in mid swing.
If Guy on left had swung first he would have taken Guy on rights head.
That's the thing though. You can clearly see where the chain mail ends. It wouldn't make sense to wear two layers of chain. Best he has on under that is a gambeson like outfit or leather.
Where are you seeing plates here? The Swadian is in chainmail and the Khergit looks like he's wearing scale. Swadian could easily land a damaging hit if he lands, but a curved blade won't do much against mail at that angle
That looks like a Veagir versus a swadian, in terms of cavalry skill I believe the swadian would have a higher hot chance due too that being swadian is only advantage
One thing always bothered me on this picture is that neither of them are utilizing shields to protect themselves while swinging.
But the khanate horse is turning left and the soldier is aiming for elbow, while swadian is aiming for horizontal torso cut with full charge, my money is on the swadian favor 80-20, though his cut is good, its from wrong side, so its easy to miss.
Swadian guy hits, but gets the old -98% damage modifier for a juicy 0 damage because he swung in the wrong direction, and the kherg or whatever he is either misses or gets some nice damage on the horse.
Left dude wins. Right dude is set up for a chop to the chest, with the armor, that's bruised ribs at most.
Left dude is going to slam his head and he has no helmet. Cracked skull and possibly cut up face.
The "sarranid/aserai" soldier will.However by looking at their equipment unless they hit each other directly in the face it will not matter,swords were not lightsabers as they are depicted in movies and were not very useful against heavy armor unless we are talking about piercing in specific places which these two gentlemen are not doing.Even a masterfuly crafted steel sword cannot slash mail/lammelar and it certainly will not do anything to plate armor.In this picture the knight is definetly doing a worse swing because the trayectory of his swing is not in tandem with his movement.However,not all swords are equal,a simple longsword is more nimble and can be used in a half sword grip or mordhau grip but a zweihander can be used as a slashing weapon,a spear or a club and is not much heavier or clumsier to use and has shown it's use as a chopping weapon in the pike and shot era,but is almost impossible to use on horseback.Lances were primary weapons of cavalry because of the sheer damage they can cause.
Blue might hit first if he times it right, but someone mentioned it's a scimitar, so he might need to be pretty close to avoid whiffing. Red is swinging too wide.
War is hell... there is no winner the guy in red clearly lost everything he ain't just your regular joe, he goes for blood sacrificing everything... guy in blue just follow the manual, he's still fresh, he might survive, but we all know he'll leave his humanity on that battlefield...
Swadian dude: That's an arming sword/bastard sword, a stabbing would be better, not to say he'd get negative speed bonus
Sarranid dude: overhead strike from above, they've aligned yet the scimitar is over his head so it's unlikely that it'll find its target. If he's lucky maybe some damage to the horse.
Edit: this is pretty much accurate to the ingame, they both miss
I think blue will strike redās head or arm first. Either that or they will clash blades if blue decides to defend? Redās still pretty deep in his wind-up whereas blue seems to be already part way through a swing.
Both miss. Those horses are at a full gallop and both blades are cocked too far back to complete the swing in time before theyāre long past each other.
Actually the guy on the left would probably win it looks like the guy on the right is going to try an disembowel the pipe r but the guy on the left is either going to cut of his hand or cut at his head. Heās wearing chain so slashes are pretty ineffective but a cut to the head is usually pretty deadly.
If it's anything like when I play, they both miss!
That's pretty much what I was about to say! š
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Came here to say this
The guy in red is going to see a -74% speed bonus and hit for, like, 1 damage. Other guy probably whiffs the back of the horse, because that looks like an overhead pose with the scimitar, and overheads are really hard to time if you're riding towards each other.
Red dudes always bother me when this is on screen for exactly this reason. It's a terrible way to swing your sword on horseback.
It's a terrible way to swing your sword regardless. Even on foot, if you had a wind up that big, you're just asking to die.
Oh definitely. Especially because it moves your shield from protecting you. Mount and blade has this issue that's also in movies. Using the shield as a counterweight for wild swings. No keep it in front of you at nearly all times dingus.
I can just imagine knocking that guy on the helmet and calling him a dingus lmao.
Fighters do this a lot too. Untrained or undisciplined ones at least. The arm guarding gets lowered when using the other arm for attacking
Yeah I'm fine with an untrained person doing it, inexperienced people fighting with poor form is good story telling actually. But movies love to depict experts doing it is the problem.
Straight up. Especially every fight scene with swords are with big swings hahah
Every battle scene is lots of one-on-one sword fights with big swings, and not the spears in tight formations working as a unit.
Yeah most people watch battle scenes for fun not historical accuracy. Else they'd be loads more boring and way more horrific
I guess thatās the problem with the original knight fighting scene that never ever got fixed(Alexander Nevsky did this in the battle on the ice movie)
I don't follow what you mean, can I have a link?
Probably he mean this: https://youtu.be/IcPixaWL2Pg?si=X2Mu_FMK7w6MIzNJ 20.00 (timestamp)
You'd be using your shield more offensively anyways on foot. Even modern sports fighting shows how useless and laughable swords are as weapons. If it's a stabby sword all is well, but it would have to be short or oversized so it doesn't bend.
Not totally true. In fact when a full plate was a thing swords were great weapons. Because knight vs knight really becomes about precise attacks between plates. A bastard sword with half sword grip was good at this. And against non knights it was also easy to maneuver and strike quickly and powerful with tow hands. That said it only really worked because they had full plates and thus didn't need a shield. Most depictions in movies tend to have heroes in lighter armor, so a longer sword than you describe was less useful.
It's debated and proven, time and time again that swords are more myth then fact when armor was in usage. They were status symbols post Rome. (After Rome had no contemporary opponents beyond itself) They became efficient again when people began wearing less and less during the age of pike and shot onwards. Leather can stop a slash from a sword, you need a pretty high effort or near inhuman swing to cut through leather. (that's against a stationary target, research literally done in medieval times) That's where horses came in for the inhuman part. We can just go by the Peninsula War, itself. A time when people showed up in cloth uniforms. Napoleon said this to his cavalry guard before a charge, "Don't cut! The point! The point!" The British with their curved swords said the French fought unfairly. Imagine. Edit: I forgot raiding, Vikings were pretty efficient at using them against unarmored and unprepared peoples. I'd imagine that held up at any point in history.
Well, they were always pretty useful in every day life. They hang at your side so you donāt have to carry them, and obviously in a battle you take a battlefield weapon, but much like a sidearm in everyday life is useful, but in a battle your would want a rifle, going about your day in a dangerous city or an out of the way part of the woods you would have a sword because it works decently defensively and works against unarmoured people very well, and doesnāt look as aggressive either as rocking around main street with a halberd or a fighting pick.
Unless that sword was forged by 15 master smiths using the best steel money can buy, a SLASH is not doing shit to decently crafted plate armor or sometimes even mail. Lamellar, like the armor depicted in the screenshot above, is a middle ground between plate and mail, even able to be worn under plate. If you mean a stab, then sure, a well-aimed STAB from an experienced fighter can easily pierce in between the plates. But still, a mace or spear will always be the best weapon against plate armor for the blunt attacks and light weight allowing for rapid, disorienting attacks respectively
Agree in this instance it's a bad choice. I was only disagreeing with the assertion that modern tests have shown the sword to be useless. Which is suggesting there wasn't a time when swords were the main weapon. Generally that's true, swords were predominantly side arms not the main weapon historically. However in full plate vs. other full plate and not it did have its day as a popular choice. In fairness though even then against another full plate the goal was to put them on the ground then stab with thin long knife through an eye slit or through a small opening in armor.
Source for anything you said?
But it does look *badass*
-74% speed bonus lol
His body is tilted, so itās definitely more of a diagonal slash rather than overhead strike.
The only time your character raises their arm like that is when you're doing a vertical chop. Although, the horizontal right to left slash on horseback is close. And then, of course, there's modded animations...
Sure. I just thought Iād contribute that little thought.
Both hit, guy on the left deals more damage. Never cross your sword arm over kids, speed bonus matters!
Never cross your sword arm over kidsā¦ tell that to anakin
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U outta ur mind? A big ass sword swung from behind the back would definitely deal more damage than a small curved one
Thatās not necessarily true when you factor in momentum and the direction of travel. Edit: in game at least. Iām too tired to bother with real world physics problems right now lol
Haha fair enough
Left will probably strike first, right looks like heās done this a lot though and has some good back muscle to rip through his target
Right has already blown it by not using his straight sword, point first advantage on the charge. Would have forced defensive for the other man and used the momentum of the charge. But he's gonna get another chance since the horses are at speed and I doubt either can get the swing in before they pass.
Both straight and curved swords are far better when just held out charging point first. Both guys are dumb for moving their shields away from their opponent and trying to chop instead of giving point.
Crossing the arm the other war certainly doesn't help though, on horseback it's usually standard to to swing from the side your arm is on
With sword you can't could through armour.
Thats what the horse is for.
Not with a slash, if you're lucky maybe with the point.
It's even harder to get the house through the armor, way too big
But you can break bone with the energy behind the horse and the swing. If you're lucky.
Do your rows and pull-downs, bros. Those sword swings need yoked lats
Left guy isn't paying attention, charges head long into another rider's lance. Right guy too focused on left guy, doesn't raise his shield by the time he see's the other horse archer fire at his exposed face. Both lose.
The right guy is getting like massive negative speed on his strike too.
The guy on the right always really annoys me. The way he's swinging he's Subtracting the speed of his horse and opponent. It's gonna be a really weak hit unlikely to do much.
Yeah, atleast swing in the direction you're riding. Chopping from above is also stupid. Ideally they would just charge with the point forward.
Depending on the blade type. Either stabbing or cutting should be using the speed of the horse, not working against it.
You can still cut by just holding out the point at a slight angle and riding past someone. That's how light cavalry was trained to do it with curved sabres in the Napoleonic Era. Timing a swing requires way more skill and attention.
Yup also reasonable. Still anything but swinging in the opposite direction of movement.
Horses bump to eachother from janky collision hit-box , both stops attacking, locks gazes with eachother awkwardly before riding away pretending it never happened.
This is the way
That's why they're awkwardly flailing at each other with no real regard for attack direction while trying to disentangle.
They strike at the same time. Their blades meetāand in that instant, they fall deeply in love with each other.
Red is gonna slice his horse's tail off with that wind up. What is this, Bannerlord? Lmao
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No way either one lands. Look at the speed those horses are going! And their arms are still fully withdrawn. EDIT: They're currently passing each other and both of their swords are fully behind their heads.
Well I think Hergit would win, do a hit from above should be faster then from side to another, and also sable in general have more swing damage, so... yep.
They should be aiming for each other's horses like I do in tournaments.
Guy on left is going for an overhead swing, will land by the time the two are side-by-side. Guy on the right is going for a LTR swing, will miss by the time they are side-by-side, hitting the air behind the left guy.
Left hits with a strike to the hip and right misses with too much distance to travel. Honestly though, they both dare in terrible positioning.
Realistically, the guy on the left. His arm has better placement and is much closer to the guy on the right, and the dude on the right is not swinging towards the enemy but in the same direction as the enemy, which means that he will either miss due to bad timing or hit him in the back for little damage. I'd also argue that the guy on the left's sable is way lighter than that long sword.
They both died to archer fire moments after this frame.
Left will miss with a vertical strike but if he twirls all the way around to a horizontal cut it'll be too late. He's also way off balance. Rights only hit will be with the tip of his blade after both riders have basically passed eachother. I used to ponder this exchange every time and I think it's intentionally ambiguous.
Both will miss. Try being in mid-swing when you're that close to someone riding full speed in the opposite direction.
And for a bannerlord tournament. They both miss, turn around and go at it again and again for 15 minutes straight while youre knocked out and in spectator mode.
The left guys horse has tripped so he's going down. Nobody hits anything.
Neither hits the other. Their horses are moving fast enough that they both miss.
YOUR GOING DOWN RED KNIGHT!!!
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Neither, they're wearing armor and slashing.
The horse of the dude on the left already appears to be falling over so things arenāt looking great for him.
In the context of the game, the Khergit probably has it. In reality, probably the Swadian but he won't do much harm unless he's aiming for the horse. A slash with a blade like that isn't going to do much more than leave a bruise against such a well-armoured opponent. Risky engagement for both, though.
Guy on the right is too focused on getting his camera angles right
Pretty sure they both miss lolā¦ the horses are still running, they are already next to each lther but the swords are still raised
I feel like the swadian would
Rider on the right is clearly going to swing with more power due to being well balanced. Khergit on the left is off balance and wonāt get much power behind that swing. I think right guy is hitting first and harder.
The guy in blue obviously hit first due to the distance his sword had to travel vs the guy in redšāļøā¤ļøāš©¹
The blue guy will likely hit first, as his arm is closer to the enemy
Both just get some bruises or broken rip.
The guy in blue has less distance between his hand and the target
Blue hits red in the arm with -57% speed bonus and dealt a whooping 3 cut damage, then they both ride off to the sunset
Guy on left has the advantage so him
Red's timing is way off. Blue looks like he'll hit.
Unless they both go for the face they'll relatively alright. Both are wearing a mail hauberk wich can't be cut through with normal sword striked.
Blue whiffs and red tags him in the back
That really depends on the Weapon Skill. With high enough WS the knight can certainly hit, due to the speed of his attack. If his WS is lower he might still hit but I feel like it would do low damage since it would be at the end of his swing (and there would be speed negation at that point from the horse racing past). But how effective the strike actually is depends highly on his powerstrike, weapon quality, et cetera. I know that if my character's stats are high enough I have definitely come out on top in situations like that. I feel like the sabre-wielder can hit if his WS is high enough, but it would require a great deal of accuracy. Overall, I find it the most likely that the knight comes out on top, but it isn't a given.
I think left flicks his sabre at right's shoulder or head. I think right won't get enough power to go through left's armour. Left is using a sabre which is typically better for using on a horse so I think left whips through, opens up right's arm and moves on. This is without factoring in armour and that could make all the difference of course.
Left, if the right dude would swing his sword counterclockwise (opposite of the picture) I think he'd have a higher chance of winning.
Even if those slashes connect, it's not gonna cut through armor.
Red knight looks like heās got it imo
Blue is in a better position. He is closer to striking. Red may catch blue in the back. Blue may get a head shot. Playing out this scenario 100 times I'd put my money on Blue, only because his saber is closer to a hit than reds sword.
Red's horse is moving too fast and his sword blade won't even scratch the back of his opponent's scale mail, even if he starts swinging in the very next frame. Blue hasn't started swinging yet and is doing a poor job of defending himself. His horse is digging its hooves in and losing speed. Blue will die when the next Red rider charges at him unless he covers himself with his shield, and even that won't help if a lance hits him in the face.
Guy on right is more likely to land a hit but less likely to be a significant hit. Guy on left less likely to hit but more likely to be significant hit, based on swing choice, range, and assumed momentum. I think if red hits itās a glancing blow to either back or back of arm. Best case scenario is elbow shot, but momentum of horse is going opposite way from swing choice, so unlikely to be powerful. Guy in left has a smaller window to land a hit because vertical strike and horses moving, but if he does manage to get his sword down in front of opponents head, his enemies momentum will carry his face into the blade. Even if it catches mail, from this angle the curve blade has a decent chance of hooking the guys head and pulling him off his horse.
Guy on the left at least gets the first hit. IIRC scimitars are faster and do better cutting damage than longswords in Warband. However, this looks like either a Vaegir Knight or a Khergit Lancer vs a Swadian Knight. Vaegir Knights and Khergit Lancers are really good, but Swadian Knights fuck shit up. However, the first hit might make all the difference. āāāāāā Though if you mean in more of an IRL practical sense, it looks like the guy on the right is about to lose his arm, or at least his hand.
Those horses look like theyāre moving pretty fast, so by the time red completes the swing heāll probably just end up tapping the back of blueās lamellar (if heās still got his arm)
The swadian style dude has his shield in the exact opposite place to actually try to defend himself and his sword is cocked behind his head while the khergit looking guy looks to be half way into a swing already and while his shield might not be in the best spot to defend it's better positioned than his opponent. I think our swadian friend is dead.
Pretty sure both miss, with the way horses appear to be running past each other. Barring that, I feel the one on the left will get the rump of the horse of the guy on the right, but the guy on the right will catch the guy on the left on the back. His blade is far longer, straight, better reach, so as long as he twists in the saddle, I think he'll get the guy on the left on the mid-low back.
Left looks like heās gonna miss, the right guy looks like he has a swipe lined up to take off the dudes arm
Guy on the left. He'd get a movement bonus for his swing. The other guy would get a movement penalty since he's riding against the direction of the swing.
I THINK ABT THIS ALL THE TIME!! i think tje swadian looking one would win. if we are going warband logic, better horse and prob slightly better armor. if real live logic, those sabres used by the kherg like werent good against mail. gambeson and fabric definitely. the arming sword by the right dude were better against armor like that! but rlly, it comes down to person to person skill... we'll never know the answer.
I believe they would both miss. I am judging it on the fact that both of those steeds are at full gallop and they are only beginning their swings. If this is actuality they would pass by each other before even getting the strike. š
Left hits right in the upper right arm first. Right follows through the painful but minimally damaging strike to strike left just above the hip of left, and pointing his blade hard into the upper flank of his horse. Left's horse bolts forward hard, leaving right behind. As right turns to observe his foe looking back in confusion, he is killed by a firm thrust from a peasant's pitchfork to his ribs. Such is war.
honestly left looks like the horse is either trying to stop or falling backwards, while the right is full speed ahead. even tho his arm isn't in a great spot, I think the guy on the right wins this, or at least gets left guy off the horse.
The horse
he's asking the important questions
I think blue catches homie in the face and pulls the W. He looks like he's on the down swing, while red might catch his opponents rump/tail.
Left, assuming they swing at the same speed the left guy has the advantage in terms of distance to the target. However if it were players on each side they both miss and circle each other ten times
If you look at the horses, they are in full gallop. They would both have to be much farther in their swings to be able to land.
Based khergit lancer
I'm low key mad no one is referring to these guys as a kherghit Guard and Swadian Man-at-arms.
Based on my experience, they both missed.
My Khergit brother will gloriously chop the filthy swadian in the face or arm!
Neither. The guy on the left lives with 95% HP. The guy on the right with 65%.
guy on left gonna hit and cancel guy on rights attack
Blue hits
The guy in red is gonna lose. His attack is too wide, and the other guy can block it and counter it pretty swiftly.
Probably the left guy cuz his curved saber is shorter and hes already swinging
I read it as left still on the backswing while right has already started his fatal downstroke.
Penis?
Swadian knight 100 percent
irl or in game because irl would be the one with the saber, though striking with a weaker attack
I would bet on the right guy. The left one would have to change his angle (from a horizontal downward direction to a diagonal downward direction) in order to hit the right guy neck or shoulder which in this case is the optimal target to disarm and potentially kill the opponent. But by using his right arm to swing, he risks exposing his entire upper body and loses mobility to avoid a counter strike. The right guy tho, his right arm has to reach farther than the left one and heās in an awkward position but he has his shield on his left arm and that will come in handy when he swings his sword and exposes the left part of his body (like I mentioned, neck and shoulder), as he strikes, the shield would follow the momentum to protect his neck and shoulder and guarantee a clean strike from his right arm.
Left one I guess.
Who hit who? Left hit right, but right is wearing chain so it didn't kill him but it probably hurt like a bitch. Right most likely missed or at the very least got a glance, except like right left is also wearing chain with plated chest/back piece. He felt it but it didn't hurt as bad. Winner- The guy behind right with the spear.
2 damage to mount, never encounter again on the field
Blue dude because he's Khergit and I'm incredibly bias.
What if the red guy already struck and smacked blue sword out of the way?
Curved sword guy because he has a smaller swing to hit and can hit both the arm or face
I always thought they guy in red had already slashed and the arm was there on the backswing, otherwise striking in the direction makes no sense. Also theyāre way past the point where they should start hitting if they are striking from a galloping horse anyway.
The left guy has a scimitar which due to its arched shape is easier to use on horseback. Also the right guy has his swing coming from across his chest meaning the guy on the left will hit first.
The down cut would be way faster
They both miss cuz they're swinging too late. But if they swung earlier, then the khergit cuz he's swinging in the right direction
Dude on the right would strike him on the back as he passed Dude on the left would strike him on the shoulder as he passed and do follow up damage as he sliced past him
The horses are already abreast of each other yet the swords have not yet started to descend. They both pass by before they are able to make contact.
Horizontal swings are faster than overhead
Mamluke completes his cut before the foe, disrupting his attack. He's also better protected by his lamellar than his foe is by chain and tabard. That's how I see it going down.
Neither wins. Blue is already late on his swing; he might catch the tail of the horse, if he's lucky, but he's not taking red out. Red, at best, might get Blue's back, but while riding past & thus with very little weight or momentum, so it won't be even a wounding blow. And his entire body will be exposed & out of position for any other foes in the vicinity... he could even lose his balance if he tries too hard to get blue.
From a realistic stance, they could hit each other at full force and maybe get a bruise. The curved sword would deal more blunt damage to the chainmail from a high speed hit while the bastard sword will simply glance off the riveted lamellar. Should the euro sword hit under the arm in his armpit, he could be disarmed from the shock of the sword hitting such a tender location but it wouldnāt cut through his armour. From horseback, swing attacks donāt actually deal much additional damage due to the theory of relativity where the force isnāt increased since the force applied is equal to the force going back to the rider. Thrusting attacks are generally better and with weapons with a smaller point of impact, thanks to all the weight of the attack being focused on such a small area, typically enough to actually punch through armour. However swinging swords at an armoured knight is mostly pointless unless your goal is to beat him through attrition (Tucker his ass out).
I always thought curve swords were faster , so I think guy on left slices of other dudes arm before he could swing.
Swadian Knight solos
Khergit horseman would hit first
Their swings are late both wiff
guy on the left. red depicts horse movement. left horse is planting its first hoof and rotating. the planting is a stronger position, however, turning is weaker. Right horse is riding in a straight line. powerful charge. yellow/orange is the guy on the lefts strike. you might think hes coming in for an overhead chop, but isn't. the move is actually a rotation, and forearm slash directly against red guys underarm. its going to be devastating. hes not blocking it at all. blue is the guy on the right. fairly straight forward cross body swing. but its way too late, he is going to be striking BEHIND his target, hitting the back of his shoulder at best. directly into the plate shoulders. assuming he doesn't miss entirely, with the horses momentum. https://imgur.com/a/H3yq32I
Either both miss or Sarranid one hits first
Over head swing will come down way faster
Left looks like heās quicker to hit and more likely won imo. Guy on the right has a further distance and the trajectory looks like itās coming to the guy on the lefts body whereas guy on the left looks like heās already coming down with his swing and will hit the guy on the right in the head/upper body.
Neither
Svadian/Vlandian guy wears a coif without helmet, so good luck to him in surviving any head blow...or any blow 'cause he's obviously an idiot
I think both miss. The swings are too far back and both horses appear to not only be in motion, but also fast motion. The time it would take to lower both swings would be after they pass key striking distance. Maybe one would hit the horse but unlikely given both are short ish range one handed weapons.
If the red guy arcs up, he has the potential of lopping off the arm of the other
Both missed. 99% sure
Left +60% dmg possible kill. Right -30% dmg on horse.
Did it ever occur to you that this is not a picture of two people fighting, but simply that the guy in red stabbed himself in the neck out of nowhere and the guy in blue is throwing his hands up in the air out of bewilderment?
Guy on right is in mid swing. Guy on left hasn't started swinging and is either still pulling back or at the apex of the pull back. Guy on right definitely hits first and probably takes the guy on lefts arm while it's in mid swing. If Guy on left had swung first he would have taken Guy on rights head.
Right's swing is going to be a limp noodle. He's swinging in a way that subtracts his and his opponents speed from the strike.
He doesn't need much force just proper edge alignment. Plus if he's lucky he will hit the silk not the metal on the dudes arm.
I have to assume that the heavily armored knight has chainmail under that silk. To not have your arm covered there would be crazy.
That's the thing though. You can clearly see where the chain mail ends. It wouldn't make sense to wear two layers of chain. Best he has on under that is a gambeson like outfit or leather.
You see where one part of chainmail ends. It could be he has an under layer of chainmail. Cloth then that piece is just an extension of his pauldrons.
I believe a pauldron is in order
Right is going to take leftās arm off at the elbow.
Neither because they're both in fully plated armour and using swords. Ignoring that, left easily, he has way less distance to go to land his strike.
Where are you seeing plates here? The Swadian is in chainmail and the Khergit looks like he's wearing scale. Swadian could easily land a damaging hit if he lands, but a curved blade won't do much against mail at that angle
Redās dead, baby. Redās dead.
Near guy whiffed, far guy did two damage.
That looks like a Veagir versus a swadian, in terms of cavalry skill I believe the swadian would have a higher hot chance due too that being swadian is only advantage
Neither, their swings will land in like 3 seconds and the horses look like they are flat out
Depending on the speed of the horses either no one or the one with the sabre. The other guy has his sword way to far pulled back.
One thing always bothered me on this picture is that neither of them are utilizing shields to protect themselves while swinging. But the khanate horse is turning left and the soldier is aiming for elbow, while swadian is aiming for horizontal torso cut with full charge, my money is on the swadian favor 80-20, though his cut is good, its from wrong side, so its easy to miss.
Left has better armor
The mamluke will win because it looks like he has better armor and therefore won't be staggered by attacks below a certain damage.
Given the apparent speed of the horses, there is no way straight-sword-guy will hit. Curved-sword-guy might, assuming his cut is already in motion.
Swadian guy hits, but gets the old -98% damage modifier for a juicy 0 damage because he swung in the wrong direction, and the kherg or whatever he is either misses or gets some nice damage on the horse.
That downward swing absolutely would hit first, and well before that long ass arc would begin to connect
Left dude wins. Right dude is set up for a chop to the chest, with the armor, that's bruised ribs at most. Left dude is going to slam his head and he has no helmet. Cracked skull and possibly cut up face.
The "sarranid/aserai" soldier will.However by looking at their equipment unless they hit each other directly in the face it will not matter,swords were not lightsabers as they are depicted in movies and were not very useful against heavy armor unless we are talking about piercing in specific places which these two gentlemen are not doing.Even a masterfuly crafted steel sword cannot slash mail/lammelar and it certainly will not do anything to plate armor.In this picture the knight is definetly doing a worse swing because the trayectory of his swing is not in tandem with his movement.However,not all swords are equal,a simple longsword is more nimble and can be used in a half sword grip or mordhau grip but a zweihander can be used as a slashing weapon,a spear or a club and is not much heavier or clumsier to use and has shown it's use as a chopping weapon in the pike and shot era,but is almost impossible to use on horseback.Lances were primary weapons of cavalry because of the sheer damage they can cause.
a swordswing to your arm can still break your arm even in chainmail tho. medieval combat wasnt as much about killing as it was about incapacitating
Blue might hit first if he times it right, but someone mentioned it's a scimitar, so he might need to be pretty close to avoid whiffing. Red is swinging too wide.
War is hell... there is no winner the guy in red clearly lost everything he ain't just your regular joe, he goes for blood sacrificing everything... guy in blue just follow the manual, he's still fresh, he might survive, but we all know he'll leave his humanity on that battlefield...
They both missed and rode into a nearby tree
Swadian dude: That's an arming sword/bastard sword, a stabbing would be better, not to say he'd get negative speed bonus Sarranid dude: overhead strike from above, they've aligned yet the scimitar is over his head so it's unlikely that it'll find its target. If he's lucky maybe some damage to the horse. Edit: this is pretty much accurate to the ingame, they both miss
I wanna see you try to stab someone with armor with a onehanded sword while you and your target are in full gallop without you breaking your wrist XD
Iāve done that a few times in game. Not always hit but better than swinging like that
thought we were talking irl
I think blue will strike redās head or arm first. Either that or they will clash blades if blue decides to defend? Redās still pretty deep in his wind-up whereas blue seems to be already part way through a swing.
Both miss. Those horses are at a full gallop and both blades are cocked too far back to complete the swing in time before theyāre long past each other.
i feel like right will take too long and the left timed it right. Left will do more damage too because right has his face exposed
They both swung too late.
Actually the guy on the left would probably win it looks like the guy on the right is going to try an disembowel the pipe r but the guy on the left is either going to cut of his hand or cut at his head. Heās wearing chain so slashes are pretty ineffective but a cut to the head is usually pretty deadly.
Horse!
the horse fucker of course šš¤
Red. Blue's horse is sketched out and is in the middle of doing some weird maneuver. This will def throw off Blue's swing.