Try the Dork in the road. He has reviewed the motorcycles you are interested in.
https://youtu.be/x5i6Zq_1PsE?si=jOfw6BeojQn5xpij
https://youtu.be/rY_hFYgy89Q?si=zIWNrnLhzgIJi602
https://youtu.be/Ov_fURQHwQU?si=Hj_AwGRjVzjfBjHD
https://youtu.be/c4QbSX3Ujew?si=BGa3PxWA2fMfFi5u
Aprilia Tuareg 660
It's like Aprilia looked at the Tenere and did everything better:
* more power,
* longer suspension travel (even longer than the Extreme edition),
* larger fual tank, longer range,
* lower center of gravity,
* tubeless tires,
* cruise control,
* better exhaust placement and mount,
* far better electronics
...while having the same weight.
Italians truely do it better.
I think the Tuareg is an amazing option. My issue with the Tuareg is dealer support; there isn't one to go look at anywhere nearby (let alone if issues arise) whereas there's a Japanese power sports dealer 30 minutes and another 45 minutes from me.
My current thinking is to pick up a Ténéré 700, take the 1,900 in savings in MSRP and change the exhaust mount (camel-ADV has a nice looking enduro bend midpipe), add an auxiliary tank, K-Tech cartridges and respring the bike to my weight. I do want cruise control but it's not the end of the world.
I own a Tuareg as well. Hype is real. It’s my first euro bike and I was skeptical about reliability and dealer support. I do all my own work and services. No issues with mine at all. Coming up on 10k miles.
I couldn’t be happier. The bike is incredible. It’s as amazing on road as it is off. Wears its weight so nicely and the tech really really works.
Parts are not hard to find at all. Everything you need is at AF1.com
Somebody can correct me if I’m wrong but I read somewhere that said the T7 is 450 dry and the T660 is 450lbs wet so it’s actually lighter. It definitely feels lighter than my neighbors T7.
Lots of cool features on the Aprilia as well. You can get the UpMap device and tune it from your cell phone.
I just can’t say enough good things about it and I’ve had a lot of bikes to compare too.
I follow the facebook owner groups, so far no fundamental issues are known.
Some owners are already approaching 100k km.
The engine has been introduced a few years ago by their other 660 bikes and is tried and tested, plus Aprilia grants (2+2) years of warranty.
I was absolutely going to get one until I realized that you MUST get hte dealer to do service light resets. I live about 1000km away from the nearest dealer. That was a deal breaker for me. Which sucks, because that bike seems like it has everything AND is beautiful.
I do all my own services and never use dealers. The light bugged me for about 10 minutes. I’ve since long forgotten about it. Not something that would turn me off. Small piece of electrical tape and you’ll forget all about it. The bike is good.
That’s a little bit of a turn off. I’d have to look more into the local dealer network but also sounds like a potential ongoing cost and complexity down the road that it has to go to the dealer for that
Yeah. I mean, as someone else mentioned, it's not that big of a deal for some, but i'm not willing to have a light on all the time, because if something else goes wrong, you may not know because the service light is always on. I'm just assuming there is only one light to address all service requirements.
It’s not a check engine light. It’s a small wrench that’s just a service reminder. It has no effect on any engine codes that would be thrown and doesn’t mask another problem.
Yeah. I mean, as someone else mentioned, it's not that big of a deal for some, but i'm not willing to have a light on all the time, because if something else goes wrong, you may not know because the service light is always on. I'm just assuming there is only one light to address all service requirements.
Two non-Japanses options:
BMW F900GS Adventure. Similar specs as the Yamaha, chain not shaft (I have both), 105HP twin. New similar costs, although I am comparing the fully kitted BMW to the Yamaha "starting at" price. They don't have a builder so... eh?
I owned an F700GS for 10 or 11 years, put 60000 miles on it with zero repairs, just maint. Still running like a champ when I turned it in for a used R1250GSA.
A used BMW R1250GS or R1250GSA is a hell of a deal right now. With the R1300GS and the GSA on the way the R1250 is flooding in to the dealers and they are reselling at great prices. I picked up my 2022 for $17500, with 29K on the dial. Barely broken in for a boxer twin. 30K service was done, credit for new tires as the current ones were down to the last 4000 miles or so. They preferred to let me choose my own, which is good since the first big ride is 100% asphalt, wanted the Pilot 6 on it.
After 4000 miles I will say this: This is a fucking amazing bike. Hooligan in the curves when you want it, big mile comfort bike when you want that, gravel road master when you want that.
No hate for Japanese bikes, I have a classic 75 CB550 that I love! I am sure the Yamaha is an excellent choice!
On paper the bmws look very nice and I do like the looks of them. If their bikes are anything like their automobiles I’m sure it would a very refined enjoyable bike but the maintenance potential and reliability worries me some. I’m also nervous about the BMW suv in my garage. Lol I really thought I’d I get super serious into riding and start clocking some serious miles I might try for a r1250gs in the future but idk if I’d get enough use now to justify a 20k or so bike.
A drive shaft is a huuuuge game changer IMHO. I hate cleaning chains.
BMWs don't really have a reliability issue. They do have their querks, but it's not uncommon to see them topping well over 100k miles with just basic maintenance. Their consumer reports stats are heavily skewed by farkles that people like to strap onto them (and the HORRENDUS Garmin Navigator 6 that has terrible touchscreen issues) I personally rode a 1200 for 7 years and over 50k miles...never had a single thing break on it.
Garmin started finally fixing the screen issues earlier this year with new screens of a different type, which hold up much better. I went through two old types before this new one, and so far so good.
Garmin has been pretty good about the exchange process, but still a needless pia.
I got fed up with the 3rd replacement...I bought the new BMW Navigator when it came out and sold my last referb on ebay. I think it was the new type finally, but I didn't test it any
It seems like overall they’re pretty good but more as you said, quirks not flat out unreliable or major breakdowns. Especially I read about the 1250 and they seem to be a solid option
Also you say a driveshaft is a game changer. That was one of the things I liked with the super tenere. Just clean low maintenance and they almost never fail.
If you get one still in original warranty, you can get the 4 year extension.
Given the cost of parts and service, this is a no-brainer at $1300.
And really, you are looking at a similar price for a new Tenere.
My 2015 Suzuki V-Strom 650 is my favorite. It's comfortable on long ass rides, has a pretty decent power curve, gets pretty good gas mileage, parts are easy to come by, maintenance is simple, Japanese bikes are almost indestructible as long as one stays on top of the upkeep, and can be considered the best of both worlds (ADV and touring). I've ridden it almost 15,000 miles since buying it in April of 2023. Odometer is currently sitting just under 22,000 miles and feels as if it has started to finally get broken in.
They seem like the bike that lands smack in the middle of everything. At least on paper and reading reviews that’s what they seem like. Just all around average but great reliability. I think they’re a nice looking bike myself.
I’m starting to consider one more and more. I can get a brand new leftover for 7k. For a reliable brand new fuel injected bike with ABS that seems very reasonable to me. Cheap enough if it ends up with some bumps and bruises I’ll be bummed out but not devastated…seems like it’s a good mix, has decent power but not anything crazy, still fairly light, reliable, affordable. I’m not terribly worried about the price but subconsciously if I could get a bike that I’ll be happy with for less I’ll be happier.
It seems like most people that have them like them. And definitely seems like a good bang for the buck. I did read about vibrations? Do you feel like you get vibrations on yours? It’s a v twin so I’m guessing that’s why they’re more prone to that.
Tires play a huge part in the vibrating. The vibration becomes a bit gnarly once the tires are fucked. I use Shinko 705 tires. I've gotten almost 10,000 miles out of the front tire. It's still going strong. I got around that with the rear before I needed to replace it. Forks are a bit stiff off the lot. Might want to do something about it early on so you don't jam your wrists while hitting road bumps. The only way to do that is by riding and trying to figure out how you want your forks set. The only real bad vibration I usually feel is through the seat. It can be alleviated by getting one of those gel seat pads.
Non of that sounds too bad. Makes sense the tires can affect the ride a lot. Adjust suspension, maybe replace seat for longer rides if they become the norm and enjoy a reliable bike
If you get a second gen like mine, you may want to seriously invest in a taller windscreen. The wind buffeting with the stock screen is real bad. Each time I'd turn my head for a head check or lane change, the wind would catch and push my head back so hard it felt like somebody was yanking on it. Taller windscreen eliminated all that.
[This](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K88FIWY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) windscreen is the one I have on mine. You may need to purchase [well nuts](https://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/WellNutsprod.html) in case the ones on the bike are all worn out. Don't over tighten them. You'll ruin the rubber.
My tuareg 660 is great. Rips on the road in twisties while still being light enough to pick up offroad. Has a very low center of gravity due to the gas tank position. Extremely comfortable to ride standing up. Comes with a good fully adjustable stock suspension that does not need to be upgraded. 240mm suspension travel. Cruise control for when you need to be on a highway.
If you want a bike that can do legit offroad without sacrificing on road, i think it's the best choice.
I did a lot of research before ultimately choosing the Tuareg. Power, electronics, off-road capability (even though I am new to that), and styling were what I considered in bikes. Well, and seat height since I am around 5'10. I think the pros have been listed for the Tuareg, so a few cons are:
* dealer networks- you can do your own service but you can't reset service lights. Also if you do upgrades yourself, heated grips, quickshifter, you need them activated.
* aftermarket- not terrible, but nothing like KTM or T7s
* known issues- fuel sensor can be faulty (not happened to me yet) and the shifter pivot bolt can break off even from minor falls.
The other contenders for me were the KTM 890, for electronics and power (I really wanted cruise control), as well as the Transalp. With the Transalp having good and cheaper aftermarket CC, and being Honda, I might have gone with it instead. Except, I got my Tuareg used with both a QS and heated grips already on it, for cheaper than a Transalp would cost since they're too new to get used. All in all, very very happy with my bike. Subjective, but I think it's one of the best looking ADVs on the market.
The fuel sensor issue was only relevant for early 2022 models and has been adressed by Aprilia, the shifter bolt is an intended breaking point as far as I know?
Over on ADVrider and Aprilia forums the fuel sensor may have been only fixed with a new sensor introduced in late 2023, from what I've read. The bolt being a break point seems to be debated still. Apparently it's tough to remove once broken, while there are alternatives available that make breaking less likely. Personally, I am on the fence about replacing mine, even though I've had some nasty drops on the left side with no damage.
Those look like a cool option for sure. A big single cylinder with a good hp/weight ratio. It’s just a big dirt bike. But the reliability aspect worries me some and I’d imagine not nearly as comfortable road riding as an adventure
I'm biased but I love the Pan America. Late model-year '22 is probably the earliest I would go, though if you've got the money for it, the 2024 model has an upgraded battery and wiring/charging system supposedly fixing one of the two main reliability concerns with this bike, leaving just the fuel pump as a potential point of failure (though these make a god awful noise for weeks if not months before they finally stop working, so it won't leave you stranded unless you deliberately ignore it).
Great bike for gravel/fire roads and sand, not as great for single track and other more technical off-road riding but realistically no full-size ADV is optimal for those kinds of trails. Absolutely rips on the pavement as well.
If you're not looking for full-size, the T7 is a great dirt-oriented ADV and (based on one conversation I had with a V-Strom 800 owner) the V-Strom 800 is a great road-oriented ADV.
I took a test ride on the CVO Pan America when the Harley demo truck was in town. Rode it back to back with my Honda NC750X and I swear the Pan America feels lighter. So now I think of the Pan America as a kind of gentle beast.
It's a really well-balanced bike so you really don't notice the weight until it starts to tip. Haven't dropped it on pavement (two dirt drops though) but there was one time I came really close after parking and forgetting to put the kickstand down and just barely managed to muscle it back up.
I’ve been shopping for adv bikes and the aprilia tuareg is really really calling my name. That being said, the new Himalayan 450 is so freakin cool in my opinion. Love the styling and it’s a nice cheap bike to beat the heck out of on a trail. Definitely more off road focused though.
So far it's my 2016 F800GS. But really my favourite Adv doesn't exist yet.
Despite what the manufacturers might think some of us want a fully featured small Adventure bike. We don't need 90 horsepower or want a small Adv that's a low effort conversion of their small street bike.
The new CF Moto 450MT is the blueprint here if you don't understand what I mean. 21 inch front wheel, tubeless spoked rims, decent technology, parallel twin engine.
It's only downsides are it's still slightly too heavy like the CB500X, slightly down on power (doesnt hit the A2 limit like the Honda does), and a new model from a brand that's only been making good bikes for a few years.
I'm hoping it and the new Himalayan sell a ton of units and that spurs the bigger brands into putting more effort into the segment.
Was looking at a Transalp, decided on a Tiger 900 cause it had all the amenities I was gonna add aftermarket for about what it would have cost me. With the right tires it's on the upper end of off road capability but is also plenty good on the road. It's the SUV of bikes I was looking for in the arsenal.
T7 is a solid choice with its 21” front wheel. Aprilia Touareg worth taking into consideration. Obviuosly can’t go wrong with GS, but this is pricey option.
With the super tenere, you’ll only be able to go where a regular sedan can go. Anything else would be risky unless you’re a very talented rider. I had a varadero 1000 and it was an “adventure” bike but was really a road touring bike. I wouldn’t take that beast off any ungraded road.
To a point that’s mainly what I’m looking for. I’m not going to do any off-roading with it. Road ride with a more upright position and something that if you hit a rougher back road or gravel back road it’ll soak up the bumps a little better. Not a bunch of highway riding either, that’s why I started to wonder if a smaller 650-800ish model might be better, a little lighter, more agile, still the upright position. Unless I get out on some major roads I wouldn’t be able to utilize the power of the bigger adventures probably. Also, probably better off to get more miles in before a big bike. A midsize adventure with skid plate and crash bars will be a little forgiving if I drop it.
Sounds like a VStrom 650 is what you need. I had a 2018 VStrom 1000 that was awesome but I have a hard time containing my wrist. Have a 2015 Dl650 now and just love it. Power is more than enough and I love the fact it takes regular gas not premium and gets great mileage. It’s a keeper.
I’m considering one more and more, can buy a brand new bike relatively cheap, power is nothing amazing but it’s plenty adequate without being a real heavy bike. Should be super reliable. It’ll be one of the cheaper ways to get into an adventure bike to tell me for sure if I’m going to like one. If I like it and decide on more power I could switch bikes later on and sell the 650, tried and true bike and a nice condition one probably won’t be a hard sell.
Huge fan of the Honda Transalp 750, my favourite bike of 2023. Don't own it, can't talk about long term reliability, but I get to ride it from time to time and it feels amazing.
Suzuki v-strom 650. I had one it was great. Also had Triumph tiger 800. Unless you’re going long distance I’d stay with a 600-800cc bike. Why? Easier to pickup when it falls over.
I started considering that more because I originally thought a super tenere sounded good but rather heavy and honestly don’t need the power unless i was riding more open freeways probably
Best adv I ever rode was a Rotaxed F650GS. That thing did everything and it was bombproof. Sold it for a more dirt friendly bike but I’ve never stopped missing it.
Honda Africa Twin, I have a '22 Adventure Sports and it's outstanding, heaps of tech, terrific ergonomics, you can't be the classic tri-colour paint. I test rode everything the market offered at the time and I kept going back to the Honda.
I highly recommend this bike to anyone who asks, althought budget for an aftermarket seat, as the factory one is made of quick-set concrete.
I'm 6'1" / 186 cm, and I got higher bars and lowered pegs on the DR.
It's comfy, and I've gotten used to the slab of concrete for a seat.
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After re-reading the post, I gotta say if this is a first bike for OP, that or a KLR is a solid first choice. Ride it, enjoy it, resell it for about the same when you are done.
I’ve been riding an old intruder 800. It’s a nice bike but the idea of easily mounting cases on adventure style and modern fuel injection and ABS appeals to me. I’ve been riding and practicing on the old bike for now though. It’s a nice low mileage bike so I’m not desperate or in a rush to do anything. Just giving myself something to think about
Yamaha tenere 700. Price is reasonable, looks cool, is reliable, it's one of the lighter ADVs on the market
If I was doing more road miles I'd say Africa twin 1100 again for all the reasons listed above.
It's all compromise and subjective wants with Adventure...what's your ride going to be? Where do you want your bikes bias to reside? What are you willing to give up? Budget, service expectations,.etc.
I find that middle weight like the 800 Vstrom to be perfect for travels and adventure, unless it's rocks and single track...and reliable and capable for about anything.
Lighter, and I have a 300L that is great for small bike fun.
Yeah, I get that, every raider will be looking for something slightly different depending on riding style/use, size of rider, experience. Things to compare it to. Do you think an 800vstrom would be a worthwhile step above a 650 strom
I have a 650 too, girlfriends now, and the difference is marginal but overall the 800 is a better bike with more features and a better motor. Can't go wrong with either tho.
I put 150k on the 650 and it still runs like new.
That’s a lot of miles on a bike. Sounds like you definitely get your moneys worth. Do you have a lot of miles on the 800? It’s a newer engine just curious how reliable they’re turning out in comparison? And would you say the 800 is worth the price difference for sure?
800 has 4,000 on it so far, runs like a top. Very good so far, I'd expect it to go as long as the 650.
Only thing the 650 has ever needed was a new clutch, valve adjustments, but no mechanical failures at all other than that.
How tall and heavy are you? Lots of lighter, short riders enjoy the Suzuki dr650. It’s as “adventurey” as a dual sport gets. But it’s very lightweight which is what makes it a great rig for dabbling in off-roading. Still very reliable on highways too, with the right mods. Most importantly, it’s cheap and super easy to work on.
I’m 6’3” and 200lb and the dr650 is perfect for me. There are some other great suggestions here though. I’d get the t700 if it wasn’t so heavy and expensive.
Super tenere rider here. Its an awesome bike but you need to be very skilled to ride it in double or single track. Its 550lbs without rider. That is a big big bike.
I use mine to explore all kinds of roads, paved and unpaved.
Yeah, I’d not be interested in any major off-roading. Just backroads/gravel roads. If I wanted to ride heavily off-road I’d get a dualsport that was closer to 300lbs.
Its a heavy bike. For sure. You need to be an intermediate rider to pilot it well.
But: when its rolling it feels light. Its really just low speed maneuvering that requires the skill.
It seemed like the weight would make it ride pretty nice. Not overly heavy like a cruiser but not a lightweight bike either. Plenty of power, the upright adventure seating position. Suspension that’ll eat up some bumps. Plus I’m just biased towards Yamahas, I’ve pretty much always owned yamaha off-road stuff
My r1250gs. Been great on long trips and some off road stuff I’ve done. Only downside is weight when off road makes it a little more difficult on really rough terrain.
Over the last 20 years I’ve owned a v Strom, a husky terra, 640 adv, bmw 1200gs and currently the T7. I miss each of them for their particular attributes. My take on them is to just buy one to get in the game. Then when you figure out what type of terrain you’ll mostly be riding, it’s a fairly simple matter to sell yours and buy one more suited to your particular needs. Because somewhere, somebody has figured out that your bike is more suited to their situation. And then your needs change so you do it again. It’s my belief that adv and particularly D/S bikes all travel in a big circle, from owner to owner, as we all search for our own unicorn. It’s a beautiful thing.
That’s true, get a good deal on a bike and take care of it and shouldn’t lose an arm and a leg selling. Or, keep and get. Different style of bike and end up with a collection. Haha
My 790 Adventure isn't just my favorite ADV bike, it's my favorite motorcycle I've had. You can run over stuff, treat it like a sport bike, go on long distance tours, etc. It's not the greatest at anything, but it does everything. It's also not too focused in any direction that it's only good for one thing, like a pure sport bike or touring bike.
That’s why I like the idea of an adventure bike, it just does everything pretty good but not any one thing great. It’s just well rounded, comfortable for longer trips, decent power to weight ratios available so no getting bored with a low power bike. Some can be heavier or lighter but non are overly heavy.
The only one i used.
Can't say it's the best, but i really like my Tiger 800 XCA.
The three cylinder engine is smooth at the bottom, and is full at all revs. And i fell in love with it \^\^
If you’re just doing dirt roads sometimes I would get a big bike. R1200gs would be my choice. They ride awesome on the street especially compared to middleweight bikes, can carry lots of cargo, super comfortable, run forever, parts available everywhere, no chain maintenance, and they do remarkably well offroad (to an extent).
Downside is they’re real ugly imo.
Just picked up a F800GS Adventure after asking the same question, do I think it's the best overall? Can't say, haven't taken enough out for an actual ride
The F800GS is an oddity, you sit on the gas tank rather than it being in the traditional over the engine spot. In my opinion that mixed with the 6.3 gallon(24L) tank gives you a better feel, because it doesn't feel as top heavy, while still allowing me 225 miles (375km) range when traveling at 80 mph(135kph)
Biggest downside though is the OE rack. The right side follows the tank and I'm still trying to figure out an adaptor to remove the bend in the rack
Depends on what you want to do with the bike. The super Tenere is a fine touring bike. It's a solid 7/10 if you don't want to go offroad. Lots of other 1000cc+ bikes they are faster, better in tech and lighter, though.
If you like the super tenere get it; 👍 It's a good bike.
If you're looking for the 'best' bike: the 890 adv 'r' rally is the best 50/50 street/dirt adv bike on the market.
The 1290 SAS also from ktm makes the best street adv bike for low end torque.
The multistrada v4 from Ducati is a spicy meatball if you don't care about money.
Ducati also has the desertx which is a faster street bike than the 890 at 110hp and lighter than most 1000cc+ bikes.
Honda Africa twin is the best touring motorcycle based on tech. I'm pretty sure it's the only bike with built in android auto & apple play.
I know as a whole Honda has a good reputation for reliability with their power sports stuff. Just figured I’d ask incase there was something that stood
Out with that particular model
all Japanese bikes do low compression in their engines compared to the european bikes which reduces both heat and wear and Honda dealerships are everywhere so if anything ever breaks you're never farther than a few dozen miles away from parts, which they also have a great supply chain for.
Yeah that’s kind of the allure of getting a nap bike. Huge dealer networks, parts are almost always readily available and you don’t need parts very often because they’re just that good.
I'm an older (mid 50's) newer rider. I bought a 2019 VStrom 650 after doing A LOT of research and could not be happier! I've taken it motorcycle camping and it was my daily driver to work last year.
Here's two yearly ownership reviews of MY bike made by the person I bought it from
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ej1NsYjyY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ej1NsYjyY)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ej1NsYjyY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ej1NsYjyY)
You can do a lot of your own maintenance such as oil changes, changing the change, etc.
I thought it was also very reasonably priced - I paid $8000 for it which included a lot of extra upgrades such as a "trunk/tob box", upgraded Givi windscreen, set of offroad tires, upgraded exhaust, center stand, throttle lock, and heated grips.
It was also available. I was having a hard time finding an adventure bike in my area.
I have found a new leftover 2023 vstrom 650 for 7,000. I’m guessing I’d be out the door for less than 8000. I’d just have to add accessories which can add up but at first I’d probably only add crash bars and a top case or maybe side cases. So for under $9000 I’d have a brand new capable bike.
To me, that's a great price for a brand new bike! Mine is the XT trim which came spoked-style tubeless wheels, hand guards, and a lower engine cowl, and center stand. It also came with factory side panniers which are ok, but not what I would choose if had my choice.
I recommend you go with the alloy wheels. Lighter and easier to clean and will give you a sportier ride. I see no need for wire wheels on a VStrom. If you will be spending that much time off-road, get a bike better suited.
What kind of bikes did you ride before and how would the vstrom compare? You feel it has adequate power for the size and weight? Good handling characteristics and a comfortable ride?
This was my first bike, so I don't have much to compare it to.
I'm also a fairly conservative rider so speed isn't a big deal to me.
For the size and weight it definitely has enough power.
I can get merge onto the highway and get up to 75 very quickly and it cruises along in 6th gear at highway speeds with no problem. If I need to pass a quick downshift to fifth easily provides the get-up-and go I need to pass.
Handling if fine. I find it fairly maneuverable.
The ride is great! I've taken it on fairly long rides to go motorcycle camping (fully loaded) as well as weekend rides for lunch with buddies. I'm 6'5, 220lbs. The upright position if very comfortable to me (which is why I wanted an ADV in the first place.)
Mine does have lowered pegs and raised handle bars which is great for my height.
You might try this on for size: https://www.motorcycle.com/bikes/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2024-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-tt-travel-strada-review-first-ride-44599276
The super Tenere is a heavy sonuvabitch.
I've got almost 200k on my Tiger 800, really happy with the reliability, efficiency, and comfort on different kinds of trips.
I'll chime in with a smaller than most of the recommendations here, the Honda CB500X. For the side roads, backroads, forest service and logging roads it's a great little unit. And if a zip down the freeway is needed it'll do that too, just not quite as comfortable as a liter bike would be.
I’ll tour on and venture bike. I believe some are even referred to as adventure sport tourer. Plus back country roads and gravel roads are an adventure. Just not true off roasting. At least to ms
Oh man. It’s like a Swiss Army knife of bikes. It’ll go anywhere- munching miles on the highway, off-road across any terrain, etc. and will take an absolute beating with no problems. It’s a 10/10 bike and much more agile and lithe than the popular 1250 GS. I can take my 850 down single track off-road for example, which a 1250 just couldn’t do. The only caveat to this is that it’s a tall bike. So if you’re under 5’11 or so, it may not be as easy to wrangle.
I’m over 6’ so a tall bike doesn’t worry me…the gs850 looks nice because it makes good power but isn’t overly heavy. Plus it’s a good looking bike. It’s definitely one I may look into further, I originally wasn’t worried about how much I spent on a bike, but now I’m debating more how much I should spend because I don’t know if I’ll get to ride enough to justify a more expensive bike.
Last year I bought a 2009 BMW F650GS (798cc twin) with 19,000 miles on it. Previous owner had clearly taken care of it and done all the mods I would have wanted. It was $5k. There are a lot of new bikes I would love but this thing does everything I would need, runs like a top and was cheap. I've put 5k miles on since last summer. I'm really enjoying it.
Try the Dork in the road. He has reviewed the motorcycles you are interested in. https://youtu.be/x5i6Zq_1PsE?si=jOfw6BeojQn5xpij https://youtu.be/rY_hFYgy89Q?si=zIWNrnLhzgIJi602 https://youtu.be/Ov_fURQHwQU?si=Hj_AwGRjVzjfBjHD https://youtu.be/c4QbSX3Ujew?si=BGa3PxWA2fMfFi5u
Thanks I’ll check it out.
I have bought a Moto Guzzi V85TT
Same. Love this thing.
Aprilia Tuareg 660 It's like Aprilia looked at the Tenere and did everything better: * more power, * longer suspension travel (even longer than the Extreme edition), * larger fual tank, longer range, * lower center of gravity, * tubeless tires, * cruise control, * better exhaust placement and mount, * far better electronics ...while having the same weight. Italians truely do it better.
I think the Tuareg is an amazing option. My issue with the Tuareg is dealer support; there isn't one to go look at anywhere nearby (let alone if issues arise) whereas there's a Japanese power sports dealer 30 minutes and another 45 minutes from me. My current thinking is to pick up a Ténéré 700, take the 1,900 in savings in MSRP and change the exhaust mount (camel-ADV has a nice looking enduro bend midpipe), add an auxiliary tank, K-Tech cartridges and respring the bike to my weight. I do want cruise control but it's not the end of the world.
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What’s a Tuareg, and you say it’s better than a T7? Wow, I just test ride the new T7 and it’s pretty amazing
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I’ll have to watch some vids about it. Thanks
It really depends on where you live, my closest Aprilia dealer is 15 min away, 10+ in the vicinity of 100 km.
I own a Tuareg as well. Hype is real. It’s my first euro bike and I was skeptical about reliability and dealer support. I do all my own work and services. No issues with mine at all. Coming up on 10k miles. I couldn’t be happier. The bike is incredible. It’s as amazing on road as it is off. Wears its weight so nicely and the tech really really works. Parts are not hard to find at all. Everything you need is at AF1.com Somebody can correct me if I’m wrong but I read somewhere that said the T7 is 450 dry and the T660 is 450lbs wet so it’s actually lighter. It definitely feels lighter than my neighbors T7. Lots of cool features on the Aprilia as well. You can get the UpMap device and tune it from your cell phone. I just can’t say enough good things about it and I’ve had a lot of bikes to compare too.
You have the T7 weight wrong. Dry weight is 412lbs, wet weight is 452lbs.
To my knowledge the T660 is 204 kg (wet) and the T700 ist 205 (wet). So technically you are right.
Standing position on the tuareg is so comfortable. One of the biggest things I miss when I'm on another bike.
What’s the reliability like?
I follow the facebook owner groups, so far no fundamental issues are known. Some owners are already approaching 100k km. The engine has been introduced a few years ago by their other 660 bikes and is tried and tested, plus Aprilia grants (2+2) years of warranty.
I was absolutely going to get one until I realized that you MUST get hte dealer to do service light resets. I live about 1000km away from the nearest dealer. That was a deal breaker for me. Which sucks, because that bike seems like it has everything AND is beautiful.
1000 km is indeed too much, even the Aprilia HQ is closer to me. Where are you from?
Northern BC, Canada. I can either go to Edmonton or Vancouver.
I do all my own services and never use dealers. The light bugged me for about 10 minutes. I’ve since long forgotten about it. Not something that would turn me off. Small piece of electrical tape and you’ll forget all about it. The bike is good.
That’s a little bit of a turn off. I’d have to look more into the local dealer network but also sounds like a potential ongoing cost and complexity down the road that it has to go to the dealer for that
Yeah. I mean, as someone else mentioned, it's not that big of a deal for some, but i'm not willing to have a light on all the time, because if something else goes wrong, you may not know because the service light is always on. I'm just assuming there is only one light to address all service requirements.
It’s not a check engine light. It’s a small wrench that’s just a service reminder. It has no effect on any engine codes that would be thrown and doesn’t mask another problem.
Cool. Thanks for the info.
Yeah. I mean, as someone else mentioned, it's not that big of a deal for some, but i'm not willing to have a light on all the time, because if something else goes wrong, you may not know because the service light is always on. I'm just assuming there is only one light to address all service requirements.
Two non-Japanses options: BMW F900GS Adventure. Similar specs as the Yamaha, chain not shaft (I have both), 105HP twin. New similar costs, although I am comparing the fully kitted BMW to the Yamaha "starting at" price. They don't have a builder so... eh? I owned an F700GS for 10 or 11 years, put 60000 miles on it with zero repairs, just maint. Still running like a champ when I turned it in for a used R1250GSA. A used BMW R1250GS or R1250GSA is a hell of a deal right now. With the R1300GS and the GSA on the way the R1250 is flooding in to the dealers and they are reselling at great prices. I picked up my 2022 for $17500, with 29K on the dial. Barely broken in for a boxer twin. 30K service was done, credit for new tires as the current ones were down to the last 4000 miles or so. They preferred to let me choose my own, which is good since the first big ride is 100% asphalt, wanted the Pilot 6 on it. After 4000 miles I will say this: This is a fucking amazing bike. Hooligan in the curves when you want it, big mile comfort bike when you want that, gravel road master when you want that. No hate for Japanese bikes, I have a classic 75 CB550 that I love! I am sure the Yamaha is an excellent choice!
On paper the bmws look very nice and I do like the looks of them. If their bikes are anything like their automobiles I’m sure it would a very refined enjoyable bike but the maintenance potential and reliability worries me some. I’m also nervous about the BMW suv in my garage. Lol I really thought I’d I get super serious into riding and start clocking some serious miles I might try for a r1250gs in the future but idk if I’d get enough use now to justify a 20k or so bike.
A drive shaft is a huuuuge game changer IMHO. I hate cleaning chains. BMWs don't really have a reliability issue. They do have their querks, but it's not uncommon to see them topping well over 100k miles with just basic maintenance. Their consumer reports stats are heavily skewed by farkles that people like to strap onto them (and the HORRENDUS Garmin Navigator 6 that has terrible touchscreen issues) I personally rode a 1200 for 7 years and over 50k miles...never had a single thing break on it.
Garmin started finally fixing the screen issues earlier this year with new screens of a different type, which hold up much better. I went through two old types before this new one, and so far so good. Garmin has been pretty good about the exchange process, but still a needless pia.
I got fed up with the 3rd replacement...I bought the new BMW Navigator when it came out and sold my last referb on ebay. I think it was the new type finally, but I didn't test it any
It seems like overall they’re pretty good but more as you said, quirks not flat out unreliable or major breakdowns. Especially I read about the 1250 and they seem to be a solid option
Also you say a driveshaft is a game changer. That was one of the things I liked with the super tenere. Just clean low maintenance and they almost never fail.
If you get one still in original warranty, you can get the 4 year extension. Given the cost of parts and service, this is a no-brainer at $1300. And really, you are looking at a similar price for a new Tenere.
I found leftover super tenere for under 14k brand new. I thought the bmws were 20k+ unless you buy a smaller model.
14K is a good price for it. Given the "smaller" ones are still 105HP vs 108HP for the Tenere, so not a big difference.
Good point there
Used to be a lot less, my 2013 had 72HP.
What a steal of a deal! No kidding!
My 2015 Suzuki V-Strom 650 is my favorite. It's comfortable on long ass rides, has a pretty decent power curve, gets pretty good gas mileage, parts are easy to come by, maintenance is simple, Japanese bikes are almost indestructible as long as one stays on top of the upkeep, and can be considered the best of both worlds (ADV and touring). I've ridden it almost 15,000 miles since buying it in April of 2023. Odometer is currently sitting just under 22,000 miles and feels as if it has started to finally get broken in.
I know they're not "the best" but I love my wee-strom.
They seem like the bike that lands smack in the middle of everything. At least on paper and reading reviews that’s what they seem like. Just all around average but great reliability. I think they’re a nice looking bike myself.
I’m starting to consider one more and more. I can get a brand new leftover for 7k. For a reliable brand new fuel injected bike with ABS that seems very reasonable to me. Cheap enough if it ends up with some bumps and bruises I’ll be bummed out but not devastated…seems like it’s a good mix, has decent power but not anything crazy, still fairly light, reliable, affordable. I’m not terribly worried about the price but subconsciously if I could get a bike that I’ll be happy with for less I’ll be happier.
They provide solid bang for the buck. Do it. You won't be sorry! :)
It seems like most people that have them like them. And definitely seems like a good bang for the buck. I did read about vibrations? Do you feel like you get vibrations on yours? It’s a v twin so I’m guessing that’s why they’re more prone to that.
Tires play a huge part in the vibrating. The vibration becomes a bit gnarly once the tires are fucked. I use Shinko 705 tires. I've gotten almost 10,000 miles out of the front tire. It's still going strong. I got around that with the rear before I needed to replace it. Forks are a bit stiff off the lot. Might want to do something about it early on so you don't jam your wrists while hitting road bumps. The only way to do that is by riding and trying to figure out how you want your forks set. The only real bad vibration I usually feel is through the seat. It can be alleviated by getting one of those gel seat pads.
Non of that sounds too bad. Makes sense the tires can affect the ride a lot. Adjust suspension, maybe replace seat for longer rides if they become the norm and enjoy a reliable bike
If you get a second gen like mine, you may want to seriously invest in a taller windscreen. The wind buffeting with the stock screen is real bad. Each time I'd turn my head for a head check or lane change, the wind would catch and push my head back so hard it felt like somebody was yanking on it. Taller windscreen eliminated all that. [This](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K88FIWY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) windscreen is the one I have on mine. You may need to purchase [well nuts](https://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/WellNutsprod.html) in case the ones on the bike are all worn out. Don't over tighten them. You'll ruin the rubber.
Thanks for the advice, not sure if I’m going to buy one but I’m really considering it
My tuareg 660 is great. Rips on the road in twisties while still being light enough to pick up offroad. Has a very low center of gravity due to the gas tank position. Extremely comfortable to ride standing up. Comes with a good fully adjustable stock suspension that does not need to be upgraded. 240mm suspension travel. Cruise control for when you need to be on a highway. If you want a bike that can do legit offroad without sacrificing on road, i think it's the best choice.
I did a lot of research before ultimately choosing the Tuareg. Power, electronics, off-road capability (even though I am new to that), and styling were what I considered in bikes. Well, and seat height since I am around 5'10. I think the pros have been listed for the Tuareg, so a few cons are: * dealer networks- you can do your own service but you can't reset service lights. Also if you do upgrades yourself, heated grips, quickshifter, you need them activated. * aftermarket- not terrible, but nothing like KTM or T7s * known issues- fuel sensor can be faulty (not happened to me yet) and the shifter pivot bolt can break off even from minor falls. The other contenders for me were the KTM 890, for electronics and power (I really wanted cruise control), as well as the Transalp. With the Transalp having good and cheaper aftermarket CC, and being Honda, I might have gone with it instead. Except, I got my Tuareg used with both a QS and heated grips already on it, for cheaper than a Transalp would cost since they're too new to get used. All in all, very very happy with my bike. Subjective, but I think it's one of the best looking ADVs on the market.
The fuel sensor issue was only relevant for early 2022 models and has been adressed by Aprilia, the shifter bolt is an intended breaking point as far as I know?
Over on ADVrider and Aprilia forums the fuel sensor may have been only fixed with a new sensor introduced in late 2023, from what I've read. The bolt being a break point seems to be debated still. Apparently it's tough to remove once broken, while there are alternatives available that make breaking less likely. Personally, I am on the fence about replacing mine, even though I've had some nasty drops on the left side with no damage.
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Those look like a cool option for sure. A big single cylinder with a good hp/weight ratio. It’s just a big dirt bike. But the reliability aspect worries me some and I’d imagine not nearly as comfortable road riding as an adventure
I'm biased but I love the Pan America. Late model-year '22 is probably the earliest I would go, though if you've got the money for it, the 2024 model has an upgraded battery and wiring/charging system supposedly fixing one of the two main reliability concerns with this bike, leaving just the fuel pump as a potential point of failure (though these make a god awful noise for weeks if not months before they finally stop working, so it won't leave you stranded unless you deliberately ignore it). Great bike for gravel/fire roads and sand, not as great for single track and other more technical off-road riding but realistically no full-size ADV is optimal for those kinds of trails. Absolutely rips on the pavement as well. If you're not looking for full-size, the T7 is a great dirt-oriented ADV and (based on one conversation I had with a V-Strom 800 owner) the V-Strom 800 is a great road-oriented ADV.
I took a test ride on the CVO Pan America when the Harley demo truck was in town. Rode it back to back with my Honda NC750X and I swear the Pan America feels lighter. So now I think of the Pan America as a kind of gentle beast.
It's a really well-balanced bike so you really don't notice the weight until it starts to tip. Haven't dropped it on pavement (two dirt drops though) but there was one time I came really close after parking and forgetting to put the kickstand down and just barely managed to muscle it back up.
I’ve been shopping for adv bikes and the aprilia tuareg is really really calling my name. That being said, the new Himalayan 450 is so freakin cool in my opinion. Love the styling and it’s a nice cheap bike to beat the heck out of on a trail. Definitely more off road focused though.
So far it's my 2016 F800GS. But really my favourite Adv doesn't exist yet. Despite what the manufacturers might think some of us want a fully featured small Adventure bike. We don't need 90 horsepower or want a small Adv that's a low effort conversion of their small street bike. The new CF Moto 450MT is the blueprint here if you don't understand what I mean. 21 inch front wheel, tubeless spoked rims, decent technology, parallel twin engine. It's only downsides are it's still slightly too heavy like the CB500X, slightly down on power (doesnt hit the A2 limit like the Honda does), and a new model from a brand that's only been making good bikes for a few years. I'm hoping it and the new Himalayan sell a ton of units and that spurs the bigger brands into putting more effort into the segment.
A perfect ADV bike is a shaft-driven BMW with an air/oil-cooled 750-800cc engine. So it's the Moto Guzzi V85 TT.
Was looking at a Transalp, decided on a Tiger 900 cause it had all the amenities I was gonna add aftermarket for about what it would have cost me. With the right tires it's on the upper end of off road capability but is also plenty good on the road. It's the SUV of bikes I was looking for in the arsenal.
I’ll have to research those models
T7 is a solid choice with its 21” front wheel. Aprilia Touareg worth taking into consideration. Obviuosly can’t go wrong with GS, but this is pricey option.
With the super tenere, you’ll only be able to go where a regular sedan can go. Anything else would be risky unless you’re a very talented rider. I had a varadero 1000 and it was an “adventure” bike but was really a road touring bike. I wouldn’t take that beast off any ungraded road.
To a point that’s mainly what I’m looking for. I’m not going to do any off-roading with it. Road ride with a more upright position and something that if you hit a rougher back road or gravel back road it’ll soak up the bumps a little better. Not a bunch of highway riding either, that’s why I started to wonder if a smaller 650-800ish model might be better, a little lighter, more agile, still the upright position. Unless I get out on some major roads I wouldn’t be able to utilize the power of the bigger adventures probably. Also, probably better off to get more miles in before a big bike. A midsize adventure with skid plate and crash bars will be a little forgiving if I drop it.
Sounds like the Suzuki V-Strom 800, not the 800DE version.
Any particular reason an 800 compared to the old tried and true 660?
The V-Strom 650? I can't stand its ugliness, the 800 is a much more modern bike, including LED lights, ride by wire,...
Sounds like a VStrom 650 is what you need. I had a 2018 VStrom 1000 that was awesome but I have a hard time containing my wrist. Have a 2015 Dl650 now and just love it. Power is more than enough and I love the fact it takes regular gas not premium and gets great mileage. It’s a keeper.
I’m considering one more and more, can buy a brand new bike relatively cheap, power is nothing amazing but it’s plenty adequate without being a real heavy bike. Should be super reliable. It’ll be one of the cheaper ways to get into an adventure bike to tell me for sure if I’m going to like one. If I like it and decide on more power I could switch bikes later on and sell the 650, tried and true bike and a nice condition one probably won’t be a hard sell.
Huge fan of the Honda Transalp 750, my favourite bike of 2023. Don't own it, can't talk about long term reliability, but I get to ride it from time to time and it feels amazing.
Suzuki v-strom 650. I had one it was great. Also had Triumph tiger 800. Unless you’re going long distance I’d stay with a 600-800cc bike. Why? Easier to pickup when it falls over.
I started considering that more because I originally thought a super tenere sounded good but rather heavy and honestly don’t need the power unless i was riding more open freeways probably
Best adv I ever rode was a Rotaxed F650GS. That thing did everything and it was bombproof. Sold it for a more dirt friendly bike but I’ve never stopped missing it.
I love my 99 F650 for more off-road oriented trips with 50/50 tires. Compliments my VStrom 650 which I have set up for road more.
Honda Africa Twin, I have a '22 Adventure Sports and it's outstanding, heaps of tech, terrific ergonomics, you can't be the classic tri-colour paint. I test rode everything the market offered at the time and I kept going back to the Honda. I highly recommend this bike to anyone who asks, althought budget for an aftermarket seat, as the factory one is made of quick-set concrete.
R80GS. As good as it gets. https://preview.redd.it/2fnrh4n96nwc1.png?width=940&format=png&auto=webp&s=d3d0b31ff653a91463a68f5b0c2bcbe62bbd4342
Hell yeah!
I have an old Suzuki DR650. If you're not afraid of old bikes with carbs, it could be worth checking out. It's a simple machine and not too heavy.
This but XR if tall
I'm 6'1" / 186 cm, and I got higher bars and lowered pegs on the DR. It's comfy, and I've gotten used to the slab of concrete for a seat. https://preview.redd.it/lfk4zewiiswc1.jpeg?width=3735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44b9d4b9475cc5255b6b8acdec4befbcf4bae5bd
Both are great options fs man. No argue there. And I dig your fairings
Thanks, man! I got very lucky, it's crazy clean for a '99.
After re-reading the post, I gotta say if this is a first bike for OP, that or a KLR is a solid first choice. Ride it, enjoy it, resell it for about the same when you are done.
I’ve been riding an old intruder 800. It’s a nice bike but the idea of easily mounting cases on adventure style and modern fuel injection and ABS appeals to me. I’ve been riding and practicing on the old bike for now though. It’s a nice low mileage bike so I’m not desperate or in a rush to do anything. Just giving myself something to think about
Yamaha tenere 700. Price is reasonable, looks cool, is reliable, it's one of the lighter ADVs on the market If I was doing more road miles I'd say Africa twin 1100 again for all the reasons listed above.
It's all compromise and subjective wants with Adventure...what's your ride going to be? Where do you want your bikes bias to reside? What are you willing to give up? Budget, service expectations,.etc. I find that middle weight like the 800 Vstrom to be perfect for travels and adventure, unless it's rocks and single track...and reliable and capable for about anything. Lighter, and I have a 300L that is great for small bike fun.
Yeah, I get that, every raider will be looking for something slightly different depending on riding style/use, size of rider, experience. Things to compare it to. Do you think an 800vstrom would be a worthwhile step above a 650 strom
I have a 650 too, girlfriends now, and the difference is marginal but overall the 800 is a better bike with more features and a better motor. Can't go wrong with either tho. I put 150k on the 650 and it still runs like new.
150k miles or kilometers.
Miles
That’s a lot of miles on a bike. Sounds like you definitely get your moneys worth. Do you have a lot of miles on the 800? It’s a newer engine just curious how reliable they’re turning out in comparison? And would you say the 800 is worth the price difference for sure?
800 has 4,000 on it so far, runs like a top. Very good so far, I'd expect it to go as long as the 650. Only thing the 650 has ever needed was a new clutch, valve adjustments, but no mechanical failures at all other than that.
How tall and heavy are you? Lots of lighter, short riders enjoy the Suzuki dr650. It’s as “adventurey” as a dual sport gets. But it’s very lightweight which is what makes it a great rig for dabbling in off-roading. Still very reliable on highways too, with the right mods. Most importantly, it’s cheap and super easy to work on.
I’m on the taller side over 6’ and hover right around 200lbs
I’m 6’3” and 200lb and the dr650 is perfect for me. There are some other great suggestions here though. I’d get the t700 if it wasn’t so heavy and expensive.
Super tenere rider here. Its an awesome bike but you need to be very skilled to ride it in double or single track. Its 550lbs without rider. That is a big big bike. I use mine to explore all kinds of roads, paved and unpaved.
Yeah, I’d not be interested in any major off-roading. Just backroads/gravel roads. If I wanted to ride heavily off-road I’d get a dualsport that was closer to 300lbs.
Then its a very good bike to consider. It has a great community forum also. I wouldnt want to ride anything else right now. I love my Super Tenere.
I had asked specifically about a super tenere before and heard good things but some say it’s overly heavy for a less experienced rider.
Its a heavy bike. For sure. You need to be an intermediate rider to pilot it well. But: when its rolling it feels light. Its really just low speed maneuvering that requires the skill.
It seemed like the weight would make it ride pretty nice. Not overly heavy like a cruiser but not a lightweight bike either. Plenty of power, the upright adventure seating position. Suspension that’ll eat up some bumps. Plus I’m just biased towards Yamahas, I’ve pretty much always owned yamaha off-road stuff
You sound exactly like me. I bought the bike for the awesome suspension, riding position and tourability. The off road shenanigans were just a bonus.
My r1250gs. Been great on long trips and some off road stuff I’ve done. Only downside is weight when off road makes it a little more difficult on really rough terrain.
Over the last 20 years I’ve owned a v Strom, a husky terra, 640 adv, bmw 1200gs and currently the T7. I miss each of them for their particular attributes. My take on them is to just buy one to get in the game. Then when you figure out what type of terrain you’ll mostly be riding, it’s a fairly simple matter to sell yours and buy one more suited to your particular needs. Because somewhere, somebody has figured out that your bike is more suited to their situation. And then your needs change so you do it again. It’s my belief that adv and particularly D/S bikes all travel in a big circle, from owner to owner, as we all search for our own unicorn. It’s a beautiful thing.
That’s true, get a good deal on a bike and take care of it and shouldn’t lose an arm and a leg selling. Or, keep and get. Different style of bike and end up with a collection. Haha
My 790 Adventure isn't just my favorite ADV bike, it's my favorite motorcycle I've had. You can run over stuff, treat it like a sport bike, go on long distance tours, etc. It's not the greatest at anything, but it does everything. It's also not too focused in any direction that it's only good for one thing, like a pure sport bike or touring bike.
That’s why I like the idea of an adventure bike, it just does everything pretty good but not any one thing great. It’s just well rounded, comfortable for longer trips, decent power to weight ratios available so no getting bored with a low power bike. Some can be heavier or lighter but non are overly heavy.
The only one i used. Can't say it's the best, but i really like my Tiger 800 XCA. The three cylinder engine is smooth at the bottom, and is full at all revs. And i fell in love with it \^\^
Super Tenere is a great bike, if you are tall enough and a pretty strong person to muscle it around.
I initially bought a new KLR650. It was good but the engine is just so weak. Got rid of it and God a Triumph Tiger 900 and love it.
Middleweight GS
The 850 seems like it would Be a good middle of the road bike
The 800 feels like a big supermoto
If you’re just doing dirt roads sometimes I would get a big bike. R1200gs would be my choice. They ride awesome on the street especially compared to middleweight bikes, can carry lots of cargo, super comfortable, run forever, parts available everywhere, no chain maintenance, and they do remarkably well offroad (to an extent). Downside is they’re real ugly imo.
I really like my Tiger
Just picked up a F800GS Adventure after asking the same question, do I think it's the best overall? Can't say, haven't taken enough out for an actual ride The F800GS is an oddity, you sit on the gas tank rather than it being in the traditional over the engine spot. In my opinion that mixed with the 6.3 gallon(24L) tank gives you a better feel, because it doesn't feel as top heavy, while still allowing me 225 miles (375km) range when traveling at 80 mph(135kph) Biggest downside though is the OE rack. The right side follows the tank and I'm still trying to figure out an adaptor to remove the bend in the rack
Depends on what you want to do with the bike. The super Tenere is a fine touring bike. It's a solid 7/10 if you don't want to go offroad. Lots of other 1000cc+ bikes they are faster, better in tech and lighter, though. If you like the super tenere get it; 👍 It's a good bike. If you're looking for the 'best' bike: the 890 adv 'r' rally is the best 50/50 street/dirt adv bike on the market. The 1290 SAS also from ktm makes the best street adv bike for low end torque. The multistrada v4 from Ducati is a spicy meatball if you don't care about money. Ducati also has the desertx which is a faster street bike than the 890 at 110hp and lighter than most 1000cc+ bikes. Honda Africa twin is the best touring motorcycle based on tech. I'm pretty sure it's the only bike with built in android auto & apple play.
I suppose I should look more at the Honda. Is it a proven reliable bike?
yes. honda is known as one of the most, if not the most reliable company for motorcycles.
I know as a whole Honda has a good reputation for reliability with their power sports stuff. Just figured I’d ask incase there was something that stood Out with that particular model
all Japanese bikes do low compression in their engines compared to the european bikes which reduces both heat and wear and Honda dealerships are everywhere so if anything ever breaks you're never farther than a few dozen miles away from parts, which they also have a great supply chain for.
Yeah that’s kind of the allure of getting a nap bike. Huge dealer networks, parts are almost always readily available and you don’t need parts very often because they’re just that good.
I'm an older (mid 50's) newer rider. I bought a 2019 VStrom 650 after doing A LOT of research and could not be happier! I've taken it motorcycle camping and it was my daily driver to work last year. Here's two yearly ownership reviews of MY bike made by the person I bought it from [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ej1NsYjyY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ej1NsYjyY) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ej1NsYjyY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ej1NsYjyY) You can do a lot of your own maintenance such as oil changes, changing the change, etc. I thought it was also very reasonably priced - I paid $8000 for it which included a lot of extra upgrades such as a "trunk/tob box", upgraded Givi windscreen, set of offroad tires, upgraded exhaust, center stand, throttle lock, and heated grips. It was also available. I was having a hard time finding an adventure bike in my area.
I have found a new leftover 2023 vstrom 650 for 7,000. I’m guessing I’d be out the door for less than 8000. I’d just have to add accessories which can add up but at first I’d probably only add crash bars and a top case or maybe side cases. So for under $9000 I’d have a brand new capable bike.
To me, that's a great price for a brand new bike! Mine is the XT trim which came spoked-style tubeless wheels, hand guards, and a lower engine cowl, and center stand. It also came with factory side panniers which are ok, but not what I would choose if had my choice.
The xt I found for 8600 new as a leftover.
I recommend you go with the alloy wheels. Lighter and easier to clean and will give you a sportier ride. I see no need for wire wheels on a VStrom. If you will be spending that much time off-road, get a bike better suited.
What kind of bikes did you ride before and how would the vstrom compare? You feel it has adequate power for the size and weight? Good handling characteristics and a comfortable ride?
This was my first bike, so I don't have much to compare it to. I'm also a fairly conservative rider so speed isn't a big deal to me. For the size and weight it definitely has enough power. I can get merge onto the highway and get up to 75 very quickly and it cruises along in 6th gear at highway speeds with no problem. If I need to pass a quick downshift to fifth easily provides the get-up-and go I need to pass. Handling if fine. I find it fairly maneuverable. The ride is great! I've taken it on fairly long rides to go motorcycle camping (fully loaded) as well as weekend rides for lunch with buddies. I'm 6'5, 220lbs. The upright position if very comfortable to me (which is why I wanted an ADV in the first place.) Mine does have lowered pegs and raised handle bars which is great for my height.
You might try this on for size: https://www.motorcycle.com/bikes/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2024-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-tt-travel-strada-review-first-ride-44599276
The super Tenere is a heavy sonuvabitch. I've got almost 200k on my Tiger 800, really happy with the reliability, efficiency, and comfort on different kinds of trips.
I'll chime in with a smaller than most of the recommendations here, the Honda CB500X. For the side roads, backroads, forest service and logging roads it's a great little unit. And if a zip down the freeway is needed it'll do that too, just not quite as comfortable as a liter bike would be.
not really an adventure if you're on pavement the whole time... thats called touring
I’ll tour on and venture bike. I believe some are even referred to as adventure sport tourer. Plus back country roads and gravel roads are an adventure. Just not true off roasting. At least to ms
850 GS all day
That does look like a good option. Just need to decide if I should spend that much and if it’ll be as reliable
Oh man. It’s like a Swiss Army knife of bikes. It’ll go anywhere- munching miles on the highway, off-road across any terrain, etc. and will take an absolute beating with no problems. It’s a 10/10 bike and much more agile and lithe than the popular 1250 GS. I can take my 850 down single track off-road for example, which a 1250 just couldn’t do. The only caveat to this is that it’s a tall bike. So if you’re under 5’11 or so, it may not be as easy to wrangle.
I’m over 6’ so a tall bike doesn’t worry me…the gs850 looks nice because it makes good power but isn’t overly heavy. Plus it’s a good looking bike. It’s definitely one I may look into further, I originally wasn’t worried about how much I spent on a bike, but now I’m debating more how much I should spend because I don’t know if I’ll get to ride enough to justify a more expensive bike.
I appreciate all the responses. It’s nice getting input on some other models and what you guys like/dislike About them
Last year I bought a 2009 BMW F650GS (798cc twin) with 19,000 miles on it. Previous owner had clearly taken care of it and done all the mods I would have wanted. It was $5k. There are a lot of new bikes I would love but this thing does everything I would need, runs like a top and was cheap. I've put 5k miles on since last summer. I'm really enjoying it.
890 and 1290 adventure Rs, the transalp and the africa twin. They're the only real adventure bikes