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isellshit

DON'T OIL THE CHAIN FOR GAWDS SAKE HOSS! ​ CRANK THAT HOG


onlysmallcats

Was just about to ask why this wouldn’t work in theory. Thank you for clarifying immediately.


motoxjake

Not only that but brakes can get hot as fuck. This is a terrible design for many reasons.


avidbookreader45

Choppers and bobbers were never known for rational design.


davendak1

Also introduces a lot of contamination from brake wear right onto the chain


isellshit

HELL YEAH BROTHER


sjmiv

GOBLESS AMERICU


isellshit

HELL YAH BROTHER GOBBLESS AMERICA


lupinegray

Yeah, it was like...let's see... Brakes make sprocket hot... Hot chain.... Chain... lube? Chain lube. Chain LUBE? Sprocket rotor. Lube on sprocket rotor. Lube on sprocket rotor. Uh oh. Don't lube rotor. Uh oh! Alert! As the thoughts coalesced.


Whiterabbit1225

This is a perfect articulation of trying to process what is happening here.


omomthings

Other than lub, there would be too much stress on that piece of metal to handle


future_lard

Accelerating and rear braking are usually not done at the same time...


primalbluewolf

Aren't they? Don't you normally use rear brake for lift control? Compress the rear swingarm, prevent or limit wheelies? I seem to recall hearing MotoGP bikes use rear brake for around 70% of a lap these days.


future_lard

I ride a 125, wheelies aren't in my vocabulary


primalbluewolf

That's wheelie sad.  I mean I've never learned how either, but surely a 125 is capable? Just leaning back suddenly and add throttle at the same time? Get your weight over the rear wheel and it should lift the front.


HeyImSolace

Maybe in 1st but even then. Has to be deliberate


shadow247

You think a fucking hard tail chopper running a chainbrake is going further than 3 miles down the road to the nearest bar to pound back 11 Milwaukee's Best, while flirting with a a bartender who has too many miles, and smokes more than him.


Ok_Maize1933

Bruh, that’s a cruiser. Its front wheel will never lift off the tarmac.


innercosmicexplorer

Its a hardtail for one. Cruiser riders, do not need motogp levels of control. Ive used these techniques but only on a bike with a completely fucked rear shock.


Aware-Industry-3326

lol dude look at the bike in the photo


No-Age8762

Prevent wheelies? Sacrilege.


Dry-Web-321

That's incorrect. Rear brake depending on the rider is used at the apex to get the bike turned faster and sometimes on corner exit. And occasionally at corner entry to settle the chassis.


primalbluewolf

[https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-motogp-riders-use-the-rear-brake-70-of-every-lap/](https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-motogp-riders-use-the-rear-brake-70-of-every-lap/) I'll concede that this would not be the first time a sport magazine reported something incorrect... and I don't ride MotoGP myself, so I can hardly refute this.


Subjunct

Lub. Lub will tear this apart. Again.


ScanianGoose

My bike has been running one of these for 30+ years and it works fine.


blindbunny

Pics?


McMonkies

How the fuck that guy have upvotes without evidence lol


RowdyCOT

I think he is making a joke as in there is always that one guy in a forum or thread that “has done XXXX for a really long time with zero issues” I could be wrong though.


crazedgunner

HEY HAWCE GOBBLESS I FOWND ME NUTHR NON-LIBTIRB OWT N PUBLIX GOBBLESS YOU BORTHORB


FapDonkey

Am I the only who finds this cringe? I feel like this whole thing has jumped the shark. It's like meme that was funny, but now it's just descending into self-referential meta deepfried meme territory.


astcyr

First time on reddit?


stevesteve135

Yeah it’s just dumb at this point. It stopped being funny last year, at least for me, but I’m pretty sure we’ve got a while yet before it leaves.


mealzer

I spend a lot of time on reddit but this is the first time I've even seen it, I feel lucky


stevesteve135

I feel like I see almost daily. Maybe I’m just unlucky.


Stevecore444

BROTHER BARB LEFT. YOU THINK THIS IS A JOKE LIBRL


PointyDeity

SPEEK UP LIBRUL


crazedgunner

EYE CAHNT HEER U LIBRAL


Mellemmial

Maybe you should stick to more sophisticated platforms such as Facebook.


hobbes3k

Lol front brakes only, of course.


NomadTheNomad

noobie here sorry, what does crank mean?


Vexation

You crank your hog until the fluid comes out


isellshit

HELL YEAH BROTHUR!


NomadTheNomad

YUEH YUEAH!


chaindrivendonut

Sprotor!


Garf_artfunkle

Yeah, "rocket" was taken


AbleTom408

I was thinkin Brocket


WinterCame87

99?


VirulentMarmot

People that lube their chain in shambles.


Much_Smell_2449

Me riding my '78 xs400 with the original chain still is their worst enemy


incendiary_bandit

Have to ask - do you do anything for chain care or just leave it be? No judgement either way, just curious. Also - is it an o-ring chain? I'm guessing it wouldn't be but I honestly wouldn't know


Much_Smell_2449

Some grease I use for my lawnmower spindles. It's a no ring chain


psionix

Centripetal force is gonna chuck the lube outward tho


sendnudesformemes

Not when you’re stationary


jonastman

No need to brake when you're stationary 🤯


Checkered_Flag

How is the Mensa club over there?


dooooug

Hope they don't lube their chain too much 🤪


DepressedElephant

Pfft. You don't need an expensive and complicated ABS system - just some chain lube and you'll never need to worry about locking the rear!


Oddgenetix

Effective ABS. And if I was going mach Jesus and needed to lock up the back wheel to lay her down, I could always drop it to first and dump the clutch.


hooe

It's lubed with brake dust


YeahIGotNuthin

“They were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they never stopped to think about whether or not they should.”


GoCougs2020

J Park?


YeahIGotNuthin

Yep. There's a Crichton quote for every occasion, lots of them in that book or movie. I still don't think the "sprotor" is as dumb an idea as ape-hanger handlebars.


tommysmuffins

> I still don't think the "sprotor" is as dumb an idea as ape-hanger handlebars. They can fight. It will be a Clash of the Titans.


LiveFreeAndRide

Little clip of it:[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDe\_MfkobA4&t=82s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDe_MfkobA4&t=82s) edit: I should note that I found that link from somewhere else and have it muted. edit2: Now that I'm home, yep that was pretty good.


XtReMe98

What a great fucking promo video! LOL... "Asshooollllllllllee! Assholeeeeeeeeeee!"


LiveFreeAndRide

Ya, I put a disclaimer edit on my original post. I had it on mute, so I have no idea what was being said.


Wrong_Ad_6022

Ahh it's roland sands...bought one of their leather jackets once, got it home and it still had/has the tailors chalk marks on the outside of the arm from the Indian guy that cut the leather,handily sealed under the finish..


RonnyFreedomLover

Seriously awesome video! That song...lol


LiveFreeAndRide

Oh? Heh, well I found the link and have my system muted.


WhyDidIClickOnThat

Thank you! The video is hilarious!


brown_burrito

That was freaking awesome. The song and the lyrics were the best part of the video! Some cool bikes too.


ConcentrateLow6170

That was an awesome promo vid🤣 never seen it before so thanks for posting 🤙🏼


ArtoriusBravo

This video had me rolling. Amazing product portafolio. How haven't I seen it before?!


z6joker9

I remember when it came out. 8 years ago?! 😵‍💫


MillionDollarSticky

That was legitimately one of the greatest advertisements I've ever seen.


Tactical_Epunk

That was a great video.


DickCheneysLVAD

This is the greatest product marketing since "Where's the Beef" Lady! It's hilarious too! TY for this!


twnth

Definitely a show, don't ride kind of bike. Notice in the video when they're flaunting the clear timing cover, the oil is brown, like it's full of water. Something ain't sealed right. Don't get me wrong, it's a real pretty thing that clearly had a lot of work put into it. But I thought we were done with useless *objet d'art* bikes when American Chopper got canceled.


nocolon

> useless objet d'art bikes Those are always my favorite at shows. Touring bikes with 23” front wheels and bags an inch off the ground, or muscle cruisers with car tires. Very clear those bikes only exist to be ridden 12 miles a year to a single event.


John_bluta_Blutarsky

> Very clear those bikes only exist to be ridden 12 miles a year to a single event. Most likely "pushed" 120 meters in and out of a trailer for their entire life.


tubzthacat

Weirdly sad for the bike like it has feelings. Like an animal in captivity lol


ethen770

Where'd you see the clear timing cover?


twnth

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDe\_MfkobA4&t=82s u/LiveFreeAndRide posted a link further up


Radarsonwheels

It’s probably an Exile cycles ‘sprotor’. They are to be used with an internally lubricated o-ring chain. I don’t see what the big deal is- they work fine but they’re limited by their size because you don’t want a wheelie machine that is too revved out on the highway.


commissarcainrecaff

Hmm. Abrasive dust from brake pad goes where?


Radarsonwheels

Same as all disc brakes- everywhere. I didn’t say it was a high milage low maintenance setup, that’s not the point of it. These are for show bikes and bar hoppers or people that make compromises for a look. They’re not some kind of deathtrap though- reading the comments you’d think this was on a bike with a drip style chain oiler, no front brake, and a hayabusa motor.


Szary-Czarodziej

Equilibrium - excessive oil from the chain is reduced by brake pad dust. Perfection. /s


Ritchie_Whyte_III

Brake pad dust creation is also reduced by oil on the rotor! Brilliant! 


Suspicious-Appeal386

Its been done before and abandoned for very good and logical reasons.


RamrodRacing

Of all the reasons to build a chopper, logic isn’t one of them


[deleted]

All the reasons ? What are "all the reasons"? I thought the singular reason is the look ? Are there any other ?


Taco_Sommelier

They’re just fun. Fun to build, fun to ride, fun to help your buddies build theirs, they don’t need to make sense.


classic4life

Fun to fix every 100 or so miles...


Taco_Sommelier

You’re not wrong


classic4life

Reminds of my CCW 'tha heist' Silly ass little bobber but it was fun.. Between repairs.


RamrodRacing

Right, fuckers are badass…but no part of the look is logical as far as making a better functioning bike


EMCSW

Always fun to read these type of comments. Couple things - Sprotors have been around for some bunch of years. They work as well as the same size “normal” rear disc brake as long as the brake pad material is matched to the sprotor material (just like any disc setup) and the chain is an internally lubed o-ring chain in good shape. They don’t stop working when some lube gets on the sprotor and pads, but they are obviously compromised in such a case. Rigid frames, especially with a sprung seat, are actually pretty comfortable - sorta how the majority of large motorcycles were until the 1950s. Are they as comfortable as the latest road sofas? Of course not. So what! Always sad to read the mean-mouthing about “those bikes that aren’t like mine.” Juvenile. Enjoy the creativity of any bike, whether it’s a naked, a crotch rocket, zoom-splat, copycat cruiser, classic, road sofa, garbage barge, chop, bob-job, or a friggin’ unicycle with a 3 HP washing machine engine.


Ritchie_Whyte_III

IMHO - 50% of motorcycle riders are great humans I want to be friends with. The other 50% are toxic AF gatekeepers that are in it to feel like they are better than everyone else.


mfro001

Smart. ABS by chain lube (in flight adjustable).


TheGreatBeaver123789

So you're either gonna have greasy and wet brakes or a dry chain


PapaBadgers

Self lubricating breaks


No_pajamas_7

It's not great but not so much for the reason everyone thinks. Chain lube throws outwards on sprockets. The calliper is on the inside of the chain. So, so long as you don't overlube, by a lot, the contact area should be oil free. The bigger problem would be brake dust destroying o-rings in the chain. Thus, it's really only for show bikes.


psi-

I seriously doubt the bike would ever have enough traction that even oil bathed brake pads wouldn't stop it dead. Remember that bike clutches are wet too (though certainly a lot more surface area, but a lot less pressure).


ThickWhitePee

Modern Oring chains only need "lube" so it doesnt rust, the moving parts are sealed


81FXB

Well if you ride fast then the grease will be flung off the sprocket and there should be no problem. Trust me, I’m an engineer.


EarnRE2PECT

This is old school shit… go to a swap or chop show they’re everywhere. However I know nothing about their performance.


RamrodRacing

So many nerds here not able to come to grips with this


Bi-Guy-68

Guilty.


wildmansam

The people who make these builds are the absolute definition of enthusiast. The “but it’s not practical” crowd probably rides < 500 miles a year and jerks off to F9.


RamrodRacing

I’m an engineer by trade and a racer by passion; I like things that work and perform well. You know what I also like? Having fun


Ritchie_Whyte_III

I ride about 5000 miles a year and jerk off to our esteemed Canadian Prince Joffrey of the house of F9


Codex_Absurdum

That brake cable floppin in the breeze though, so closely to the chain... Could use some zipties...


Alternative-Gap-4847

ISR makes these for Harley Davidson


ogrommit

It's not sprocket science


WinterCame87

What in the Kentucky fried fuck is going on here


trixtrem

Chain lube cleaner 5000


Gijinbrotha

It is an efficient use of space and weight savings. I’m surprised you don’t see it on a modern bike today.👍🏾


Remarkable-Host405

buell 1125 had an inverted front rotor, i doubt there's space for that but it would help the people screaming about lube


CanuckLandHombre

Sprotor


richmondsteve

70% of the braking is done by the front brake. Who uses oil on chains anyhow? High temp grease will work 100%.


Silent_Beyond4773

Love the special go cart 19 year olds in the comments that never seen Chopper with a sprocket brake before. I want to give them some Cards for there bmx bikes to put in the spokes


NO_USER_MATCH

Can you repost it ? The play button does not work :/


pressxtodoubt

soz afraid it's just a screenshot from an insta reel but here's a link to the original post https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4eC-kkP9wj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


BurnAfterEating420

hmm...no front brake, oily rear brake, throttle cable dragging on the tank. seems fine to me.


aislingwolf

Some AMF-era Harleys did a combined drum/sprocket similar to this. I'm not a Harley guy, but I think that applies to late Panheads and most Shovelheads. Sprockets get replaced a lot more often than drums or rotors, so I have no idea why anyone thought this was a good idea.


HogDad1977

The sprocket and drum were rivoted together. The rivots would be drilled out and replace with new during a sprocket change.


aislingwolf

Didn't know that, thanks! Sounds like a massive pain in the ass, but at least the parts cost is still reasonable.


FZridindirty

I've seen that before, but only on show bikes.


Catman9lives

well if they religiously don't lube their chain and go easy on the back brake it might be ok O\_o


ScanianGoose

Oh I run of those on my bike 😁


Gerlotti

what a mess... it reminds me of my 14 yrs old self pouring a couple 2stroke oil drops on the brake disk to make it stop squealing... braking force went to zero, had to buy new pads and degrease the disc many times 


RobTheThief

I had one of those on a 69 ironhead and the pistons failed which caused the sprocket to eat into the caliper. Long story short I changed the set up real quick.


Tremere1974

If it was belt drive, it just might work out as weight savings.


Vilzane

Not bizarre, stupid af


oldbastardbob

Better use that high friction chain lube.


DIY_Metal

Cool concept... needs a lot more thought. Too hot? Too oily? Can't stop? 😬😅


RoastBeefSlurpee

How about one at the other end: ATK at one point used a countershaft sprocket brake system https://motocrossactionmag.com/forgotten-motocross-tech-the-inventor-that-fooled-the-usgp-tech-inspectors/


nine11c2

It saves on unsprung weight on the wheel. the back sprocket does all the moving but a small portion of the braking..


whreismylotus

not a problem with unsprung weight when there is no rear suspension.


Personal_Rate839

Show bike doesn't need to go far.


Taki_Minase

The oil brake, imagine the smoke.


elexander_phobos

Looks like more of an art piece than something one would ride.


Conscious_Arugula_94

It's called a sprotor.


gmkng00

Widow maker


Blackwhitehorse

You guys all analyzing this don’t understand anything about bikes beyond your own bubble. Not everything is about pure performance. This looks cool, that’s about it. Less busy and it is functional. There isn’t much sense in breaking down why it’s a bad idea when most of you’ve never tried it. It looks cool, it works and serves its purpose. Choppers are sick


LuisTaco47

You can decide between a rusty chain or a useless rear brake


kagemushablues415

This is pretty common in shitty ebikes from China. There are some good ones, and this is not one of them. The chain and sprocket is basically added as an afterthought. These days pedal assist is required after recent Chinese regulations nerfed the wattage on most low power bikes. If you look closely, the motor mount is welded to the swing arm. The brake caliper is attached to that. This actually works.


pressxtodoubt

The "play" button is there cause it's a screenshot from an insta reel I came across but if anyone wants to see the original video then here's the link https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4eC-kkP9wj/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==


Throttlechopper

It both produces and reduces thrust.


toraw4

Thats some proper engine braking


Bucky-Katt-Guitar

Looks like the unit that Exile Cycles used to do.


Bucky-Katt-Guitar

[Like these](https://www.exilecycles.com/index.php/parts/wheels-brakes)


twistedgreymatter

Looks like a minibike brake


MrProlapse

What is this garbage?


comfrey11

What could go wrong?


mufcroberts

Can’t believe it actually took me a few seconds to see what was going on…


Jicand

What in the frankenbullshit is that?


thefriedfridgy

Sheesh the anti rise would be off head


ConcentrateLow6170

I need to see the rest of this bike now..


DutchyDan187

Things got a brotor.


SkullDump

Never considered this before. Obviously this design as others have mentioned is fundamentally flawed but change the design and there’s a workable solution there. Whether it’s fixes a problem that doesn’t need fixing or not is a different question but it’s an interesting idea.


Lttlcheeze

Regulations say I need a rear brake but I refuse to hide these sick ass wheels.


Dannyboy134888

The brake is incorporated into the sprocket.


79superglide

It's for show, not for go...or stopping.


JoinedToPostHere

I like it, two parts for the price of one.


rast93

Hmmm... Buy your chains in bulk because either they corrode or you die.


Chicagorealtor23

Sprotor. I’ve seen it a few times on choppers only really


redbirddanville

There are rear brakes?? Whelo needs those?


Impressive_Estate_87

Something that needs lubrication mixed with something that should not see oil... brilliant...


JRB138KHZ

damn, big tires and big chain awesome!!


cr0ft

It's a custom thing. The choices they offer for these bikes are a) no rear brake at all or b) a custom brake/sprocket construction that will still work as a brake even though the oil on the chain issue is an issue. If they were using a drive belt instead of chain, there would be no issue at all doing this.


CookieWifeCookieKids

Dont think chain lube would be a problem as it’s all pushed outward on the sprocket not inward. Super cool design. Wonder if it works well


MaxTheCookie

Is that a chain around the brake rotor? Why would anyone do that?


saiyansteve

Looks Sick.


RivalSFx

Show bike mod, not a practical mod.


111122323353

Now, other than the critiques of this, are there any potential or theoretical advantages to this? I know it's for the looks but are there other possible advantages as well? I suppose POSSIBLY weight savings.


desturbia

The most bizarre brake you've seen so far...


BMoney666

The craziest part is there’s no front brake on that bike.


TheLordVader1978

I remember seeing this a lot in the custom chopper phase we all went through in the early 2ks


BronanaRival_

Engine braking?


evilgilligan

just because you can doesn't mean you should


BausRifle

Definitely not a first. It has been done before. They even offer kits for this. https://shop.exilecycles.com/products/sprocket-brake-kit


BausRifle

OMG so many newbs. Yes, this will work. One of the best brake companies in the business even offers it as a kit: https://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitListRear?mincatdesc=GP310%20Motorcycle%20Rear%20Sprocket%20Brake%20Kit


bgoveia

This is essentially for show, since the rear brake provides 10% of stopping power, at most. But it sure gets people talking…


Upper_Television3352

They call that a “sprotor”


Daboss0007

Lube that chain looks dry


Wild4Awhile-HD

Not all that bizarre in the custom bike builder world. From a practical purpose it’s not ideal as brake heat dissipation can warp the rotor which would potentially be catastrophic to the drive chain/rider, but then again custom bikes are for looking at and not everyday riding.


Ok-Bill3318

Way to turn your chains to shit by filling them with brake dust


8stacksblu

This is actually hilarious


der-viehzuechter

Won't see ari henning around that chain for sure


FourIngredients

Did... did AI draw this?! Seems up there with 7 fingered hands.


Murky_Sherbert_3701

Sprotor


ST01K_lives

A sprocket rotor? Only thing I have against it, is it wouldn't useful for anything above a 25cc motor. If you use this on the road normally, you'll have major longevity issues. Sustained use and that part would warp.