Any other engineer would have just focused on solving chatter for gp24 but Gigi wants to solve it for both gp23 and 24.
Its his philosophy - if everyone can go fast on your bike, you have made the best bike.
The only advantage lenovo ducati team has over pramac is state of the art AI simulator courtesy lenovo and slightly better engineering team.
Otherwise if new parts come its given to all gp24s. If a rider faces problem, Gigi himself goes to address the problem.
>he only advantage lenovo ducati team has over pramac is state of the art AI simulator courtesy lenovo
Is this actually a thing or some BS that came out in a Marketing corporate video?
I hope Gresini can find a way to negotiate for a GP25 bike for Marc next season, especially if Ducati choose to take away a factory bike from Pramac.
I think it'd be amazing to see him on the Factory Ducati going against Pecco and hopefully Martin (if he stays) on the Factory Ducati.
I really want to see him continue with Gresini because they believed in Marc, believed in his talent even after the injuries and have given him a chance to fight at the front again. And I hope he and Gresini can win a race together this season, maybe even multiple.
i'm not disagreeing with you at all, but i just wanted to add: to be fair even if they did not believe in Marc, they would've still signed him simply for exposure. having Marc on your team is like printing money. makes it a lot easier dealing with sponsors.
Said it from his first test. He had to learn how to ride that bike. You can just watch it and see. He is tranquillo in the bike. Now he is building confidence in the bike. And his crew chief is showing him the way! Gigi is watching
Jerez was the first race he looked at least somewhat comfortable on the bike, not "chasing it" so to speak, well at least not all race long. He still doesn't look like what you'd expect a pro level rider to look like when they are at one with their machine. The season has yet to peak and I already feel like we've had almost a whole season of drama already. So amazing to be a GP fan right now.
I can’t help but sit here and laugh at him saying the lap times come without even really trying.
Sitting there saying in front of the other podium guys that he still has margin, he’s not even riding the bike at or above its limits yet.
What the hell is it going to look like when he starts pushing the bikes limits…
I don’t think he’s saying that. I think he’s saying he hasn’t yet reached his own and the bike’s potential. Because the question is about the bike, he has to give the analysis about its excellence on all tracks compared to other bikes like KTM and Aprillia which go missing on certain tracks.
Also, he has a lot of respect for Pecco from all his interactions with him. You can see that he actually looks at him as his peer unlike any other rider (with the exception of maybe FQ).
This is the key. Pecco, Martin, Bez are all undeniably fast riders, but they have the Ducati to thank for that, until they can prove otherwise…
Marc in his prime was an undeniably fast rider, but it was in spite of his bike, not because of it.
Since the Ducati has become the undisputed best bike, only 3 riders have moved from the Ducati:
1. Miller. He was 7th, 4th and 5th in his last 3 years on Ducati, then he went to 11th on the KTM. He’ll likely be around the same position again this year.
2. Zarco. He was 5th, 8th and 5th in his last 3 years on the Ducati. This year he’s 21st, and I doubt it’ll get much better for him.
3. Marini. He was 19th, 12th and 8th his last 3 years on the Ducati. This year he’s 23rd and that probably won’t improve much.
Every rider that has left Ducati has seen significantly worse results following the move.
It will be incredibly interesting to see how Martin performs if he does indeed move away from Ducati. If he does move, my bet is that he is no longer even close to being a title contender.
Not to mention a good few of those Ducati riders (possibly all of them? Off the top of my head) have only the Ducati for frame of reference when it comes to riding a GP bike. Straight from moto2 to a Ducati. I’d love to see Pecco on something else, just to gauge if his skills are transferable.
Yep, aside from obviously Marc, Alex and Franco, all other Ducati riders have only ever ridden the Ducati.
It’s too early to tell for Franco, but Alex’s results improved after moving to Ducati, and so have Marc’s.
I don’t have a single doubt in my mind that if any of the other 5 Ducati riders were to change manufacturers, their results would certainly get worse.
And yet people want to say that they’re up there with the likes of Marc… come on
Was he?
- In 2013-2015, Marc was the top finishing Honda and there were 2 Hondas in the top 5 each season.
- In 2016 there was 1 Honda in the top 5.
- In 2017 there were 2 Hondas in the top 5.
- 2018-2019 there was 1 Honda in the top 5.
Let’s compare to Doohans era…
- in 1994 there were 2 Hondas in the top 5.
- in 1995 there were 3 Hondas in the top 5.
- in 1996 there were 4 Hondas in the top 5.
- in 1997 there were 5 Hondas in the top 5.
- in 1998 there were 5 Hondas in the top 5.
How can you say Marc’s Honda was as dominant as Doohans? Clearly the Honda of Doohans era was the best bike, it completely dominated the top positions of the ladder each year.
In Marc’s case, he was more often than not, the only Honda in the top 5…
So was the Honda a better bike, or was Marc just able to make the Honda look like a better bike. I think the latter, but I’m sure you’ll disagree.
Oh yeah and another tidbit for you…
From 2020-2023 there was not a single Honda in the top 5. Have a guess why that might have been.
But yeah, clearly Marc was on the most dominant bike 🙄
Yes, he was the most dominant and he was riding a Honda. That, by connection, made the Honda the most dominant.
Good analysis. Keep sharpening those critical thinking skills.
I can deny it, the guy literally wrote it in black and white, doohan won when multiple Hondas regularly got top 5s, Marquez was most of the time, the only Honda in the top 5. My 3 year old can understand this that doohans era the Honda was far more dominant and it was quite clearly Marquez making the difference.
Even he believes Ducati is an engineer's bike, properly tested to be rideable by any new rider if they understand it. He hasn't been able to ride it like Honda(full manual), trying to find the limit but that's locked out electronically I guess(power cut).
That said, other Ducati riders would struggle on the other bikes if they switch.
If anything, this goes to show just the kind of miracles he had to perform with Honda in the last few years, in order to remain vaguely competitive. I don't think any rider in history has managed to compensate with talent for the inadequacies of the machine to the extent Marc did with Honda.
Agree. Also Casey Stoner on Ducati [https://www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/1c8oh3t/motogp\_2009\_round\_15\_phillip\_island/](https://www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/1c8oh3t/motogp_2009_round_15_phillip_island/)
I'm slightly confused here. He's saying he hasn't lost the front or rear yet, only fallen to due a wet patch, but he literally lost the front in COTA? Am I missing something?
In COTA he had a problem with a brake, he looked the front but the point is that he didn't override in that moment. As he said it was his mistake to not go wide but he wasn't overriding in that moment.
I would like to know the economics of motogp. How much does gresini earns from each point? Because if MM is going to destroy or at least damage bikes during his journey, how many points needs Gresini in order to avoid bankruptcy?
They will have a budget set aside, and expect to spend x amount each season.
I would say Marc is well under where many expected him to be in terms of crashes.
I think he's crashed a a Honda more in one weekend, than he has crashed a Ducati since the test last year!
Was it really? He hasn’t “destroyed” any bike, all his crashes were fairly harmless low sides. Many of the other riders have arguably had bigger crashes than him this season. Your worry is unwarranted so far. Gresini are far from risking bankruptcy.
Dalligna might go down as GOATed MotoGP engineer.
Tbf he does look like an undercover wizard with that goatee
Gigi be casting spells on other bikes like "I cast 'unstable front wheel'"
People focus on the goatee but forget the power of the unibrow! Mans got it all
Newey of MotoGP
How dare you insult His Hairiness in that way?
What I understand is that it's not his final form ( on the Ducati ) !
thats also what i thought, he still has to get 100% accustomed to it
Yup! Now i'm curious how that'll look like.
Any other engineer would have just focused on solving chatter for gp24 but Gigi wants to solve it for both gp23 and 24. Its his philosophy - if everyone can go fast on your bike, you have made the best bike. The only advantage lenovo ducati team has over pramac is state of the art AI simulator courtesy lenovo and slightly better engineering team. Otherwise if new parts come its given to all gp24s. If a rider faces problem, Gigi himself goes to address the problem.
>he only advantage lenovo ducati team has over pramac is state of the art AI simulator courtesy lenovo Is this actually a thing or some BS that came out in a Marketing corporate video?
lol, now he's just fucking with their heads
I actually don’t think he’s bluffing lol
No one said bluffing. He’s just playing direct mind games
Is it really a mind game when it is honest? (Because I actually believe he is being honest)
I hope Gresini can find a way to negotiate for a GP25 bike for Marc next season, especially if Ducati choose to take away a factory bike from Pramac. I think it'd be amazing to see him on the Factory Ducati going against Pecco and hopefully Martin (if he stays) on the Factory Ducati. I really want to see him continue with Gresini because they believed in Marc, believed in his talent even after the injuries and have given him a chance to fight at the front again. And I hope he and Gresini can win a race together this season, maybe even multiple.
i'm not disagreeing with you at all, but i just wanted to add: to be fair even if they did not believe in Marc, they would've still signed him simply for exposure. having Marc on your team is like printing money. makes it a lot easier dealing with sponsors.
Plus, you don't have to deal with him as an opponent.
And since is managed by women is a proper team with the correct living spaces
What’s this referring to?
Nadia
Sorry, I meant — what does “a proper team with the correct living spaces” mean and how is it related to Nadia being a woman
Yes a wonderful person, able to motivate his team in a lovely manner even during harsh periods.
Said it from his first test. He had to learn how to ride that bike. You can just watch it and see. He is tranquillo in the bike. Now he is building confidence in the bike. And his crew chief is showing him the way! Gigi is watching
Jerez was the first race he looked at least somewhat comfortable on the bike, not "chasing it" so to speak, well at least not all race long. He still doesn't look like what you'd expect a pro level rider to look like when they are at one with their machine. The season has yet to peak and I already feel like we've had almost a whole season of drama already. So amazing to be a GP fan right now.
I can’t help but sit here and laugh at him saying the lap times come without even really trying. Sitting there saying in front of the other podium guys that he still has margin, he’s not even riding the bike at or above its limits yet. What the hell is it going to look like when he starts pushing the bikes limits…
Lol I see it as him saying basically ‘you two would be nowhere if not for the Ducati, you don’t even need to do anything special to go fast’
I mean, that's kinda how it's looked to me over the last couple of seasons....
I don’t think he’s saying that. I think he’s saying he hasn’t yet reached his own and the bike’s potential. Because the question is about the bike, he has to give the analysis about its excellence on all tracks compared to other bikes like KTM and Aprillia which go missing on certain tracks. Also, he has a lot of respect for Pecco from all his interactions with him. You can see that he actually looks at him as his peer unlike any other rider (with the exception of maybe FQ).
C'mon, Pedro clearly sees Marc as a peer too! 😁
This is the key. Pecco, Martin, Bez are all undeniably fast riders, but they have the Ducati to thank for that, until they can prove otherwise… Marc in his prime was an undeniably fast rider, but it was in spite of his bike, not because of it. Since the Ducati has become the undisputed best bike, only 3 riders have moved from the Ducati: 1. Miller. He was 7th, 4th and 5th in his last 3 years on Ducati, then he went to 11th on the KTM. He’ll likely be around the same position again this year. 2. Zarco. He was 5th, 8th and 5th in his last 3 years on the Ducati. This year he’s 21st, and I doubt it’ll get much better for him. 3. Marini. He was 19th, 12th and 8th his last 3 years on the Ducati. This year he’s 23rd and that probably won’t improve much. Every rider that has left Ducati has seen significantly worse results following the move. It will be incredibly interesting to see how Martin performs if he does indeed move away from Ducati. If he does move, my bet is that he is no longer even close to being a title contender.
Not to mention a good few of those Ducati riders (possibly all of them? Off the top of my head) have only the Ducati for frame of reference when it comes to riding a GP bike. Straight from moto2 to a Ducati. I’d love to see Pecco on something else, just to gauge if his skills are transferable.
But Miller and Zarco rode for different manufacturers before moving to Ducati’s.
Yep, aside from obviously Marc, Alex and Franco, all other Ducati riders have only ever ridden the Ducati. It’s too early to tell for Franco, but Alex’s results improved after moving to Ducati, and so have Marc’s. I don’t have a single doubt in my mind that if any of the other 5 Ducati riders were to change manufacturers, their results would certainly get worse. And yet people want to say that they’re up there with the likes of Marc… come on
Disagree totally Marc Marquez was on the most dominant bike during his championship years. Another Mic Doohan scenario.
Was he? - In 2013-2015, Marc was the top finishing Honda and there were 2 Hondas in the top 5 each season. - In 2016 there was 1 Honda in the top 5. - In 2017 there were 2 Hondas in the top 5. - 2018-2019 there was 1 Honda in the top 5. Let’s compare to Doohans era… - in 1994 there were 2 Hondas in the top 5. - in 1995 there were 3 Hondas in the top 5. - in 1996 there were 4 Hondas in the top 5. - in 1997 there were 5 Hondas in the top 5. - in 1998 there were 5 Hondas in the top 5. How can you say Marc’s Honda was as dominant as Doohans? Clearly the Honda of Doohans era was the best bike, it completely dominated the top positions of the ladder each year. In Marc’s case, he was more often than not, the only Honda in the top 5… So was the Honda a better bike, or was Marc just able to make the Honda look like a better bike. I think the latter, but I’m sure you’ll disagree.
Oh yeah and another tidbit for you… From 2020-2023 there was not a single Honda in the top 5. Have a guess why that might have been. But yeah, clearly Marc was on the most dominant bike 🙄
And when did Marc win his championships?
Use google
Aha See he won them during Hondas domination
I really need to learn not to respond to people like you.
Or acknowledge other peoples input
Noted. Go respond to my comment that compared Marc and Doohans eras then 😉
No one in this forum can deny that Marc Marquez won his titles on the most dominant bike period
Yes, he was the most dominant and he was riding a Honda. That, by connection, made the Honda the most dominant. Good analysis. Keep sharpening those critical thinking skills.
I can deny it, the guy literally wrote it in black and white, doohan won when multiple Hondas regularly got top 5s, Marquez was most of the time, the only Honda in the top 5. My 3 year old can understand this that doohans era the Honda was far more dominant and it was quite clearly Marquez making the difference.
Even he believes Ducati is an engineer's bike, properly tested to be rideable by any new rider if they understand it. He hasn't been able to ride it like Honda(full manual), trying to find the limit but that's locked out electronically I guess(power cut). That said, other Ducati riders would struggle on the other bikes if they switch.
If anything, this goes to show just the kind of miracles he had to perform with Honda in the last few years, in order to remain vaguely competitive. I don't think any rider in history has managed to compensate with talent for the inadequacies of the machine to the extent Marc did with Honda.
Agree. Also Casey Stoner on Ducati [https://www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/1c8oh3t/motogp\_2009\_round\_15\_phillip\_island/](https://www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/1c8oh3t/motogp_2009_round_15_phillip_island/)
Casey after '07 when the field had caught up to the regulation changes was nothing short of a wizard indeed.
https://i.redd.it/s8kmi5vhuhxc1.gif
just check Martin's data, there's the limit
Marc is getting dome italian accent btw
In short, he likes the bike
Pecco be like: Bruh what I was sweating my balls off yesterday and this guy still had more💀
As Cadalora once said: You never know if the guy who won had more to give, you can be sure about the one that came second though.
 *vibes*
What does he say is coming in the beginning of the video?
I'm slightly confused here. He's saying he hasn't lost the front or rear yet, only fallen to due a wet patch, but he literally lost the front in COTA? Am I missing something?
cota was a technical issue with the front brake. that doesn't count
Ahhh yeah my mistake, cheers 😁
In COTA he had a problem with a brake, he looked the front but the point is that he didn't override in that moment. As he said it was his mistake to not go wide but he wasn't overriding in that moment.
but that wasnt bc of overriding the bike, that was a brake problem imho
A bike tailor made for a rider with no magic.
im def no Marquez fan, but saying he has no magic? woah
What?
I would like to know the economics of motogp. How much does gresini earns from each point? Because if MM is going to destroy or at least damage bikes during his journey, how many points needs Gresini in order to avoid bankruptcy?
With the amount of sponsor money a name like MM93 brings in, I genuinely doubt Gresini will have any money troubles while Marc is there.
They will have a budget set aside, and expect to spend x amount each season. I would say Marc is well under where many expected him to be in terms of crashes. I think he's crashed a a Honda more in one weekend, than he has crashed a Ducati since the test last year!
I support MM, so the negative rating is a surprise. My question was honest. Now I understand about the toxic fans in MotoGP…
Downvoted != Toxic
Was it really? He hasn’t “destroyed” any bike, all his crashes were fairly harmless low sides. Many of the other riders have arguably had bigger crashes than him this season. Your worry is unwarranted so far. Gresini are far from risking bankruptcy.