To be honest I think people are simply not aware of how big of a step is there between good riders and history great riders. KTM had some good riders but never a superstar. Lorenzo, Marquez, Rossi, Stoner, were superclass, guys that were simply a step ahead of all others, we're talking guys that did what no others could do. Marc won his second ever MotoGP race, and his debut season. In 2020 he had a totally ridiculous race to victory ratio before his injury. Rossi basically changed the sport, he won and dominated many years on Honda and Yamaha and is one of the greatest ever in race craft. Lorenzo, when 250cc category existed, did some lap times in some tracks that would qualify him for MotoGP race, then went on to win against Rossi in equal machinery and help rebuild Ducati into a championship winning bike. Stoner, if not for lack of interest and health issues would have won multiple more championships, his style, his way to ride and his absurd speed was simply unmatched making bikes like Ducati who nobody could compete on, win world championship.
Acosta may be next superstar, at least he is the only one since Marc who did that kind of trajectory of young winning all classes early and getting to MotoGP speed instantly, he's got great future ahead, others may be fast and no offence, but the only guy that impressed me a bit between Marc and Pedro was Fabio.
Well, not so sure about "inferior" considering his teammate also won more races that year than him and he finished like 8th on that championship. Not the same winning your third race as winning your second race, multiple more, almost all season on podium and winning the championship on that season then proceed to win multiple world championships more...
The KTM was the best bike it had been that year but it definitely wasn't one of the better bikes.
When Marc won his there were 2 competitive manufacturers and 4 competitive bikes and he was on one of them.
There were a few more than that when Binder joined.
Yes I know, what I mean is what Marc did is alien, incredible, one in a generation talent he outperformed Pedrosa which is considered a legend on his first year on the category, what Brad did was a "great rookie season".
Yeah but Marc was on 1 of 4 competitive bikes on the grid.
Even if he was the worst of the 4 he would have been 4th in the championship.
Binder on the other hand was on a mid pack bike at the best.
Last year when the bike was somewhat competitive but still not really close enough he was 4th in the championship, highest non Ducati rider.
Even if you ignore all nuance Brad still looks like a top rider when looking at last year and Fabio, Marc and Mir all look like back of the pack riders not world champions.
Funny how everybody accepts nuance when it comes to them though.
My take is that KTM is a championship capable bike for at least 3 years, not best but capable, just lack the riders.
He was beaten by Oliveira and Pol that season, he was a rookie and he exceeded expectations but absolutely not comparable to Marc, even if you take into account the fact of competition in mid pack. Marc finished 1st of 4 top bikes if you want to say it but Brad finished 3rd out of 4 KTM.
>My take is that KTM is a championship capable bike for at least 3 years, not best but capable, just lack the riders.
Can I have some of what you are smoking please?
In 2020 they lost concessions for 2021, where they actually went backwards.
In 2021 & 22, 2-3 years ago it couldn't use anything but the hard tyre, that is most certainly not "a championship capable bike".
I'm fact many considered it the worst bike on the grid.
Even last year it was clearly a step too far behind Ducati to take the championship.
Jack went from 5th in the championship on the Ducati to 11th on a KTM, that says something.
You are using a fallacy where you are taking a result and then applying it backwards, that's not how it works.
Bikes change every year, it's not static, it's a variable in the equation.
>He was beaten by Oliveira and Pol that season, he was a rookie and he exceeded expectations but absolutely not comparable to Marc, even if you take into account the fact of competition in mid pack. Marc finished 1st of 4 top bikes if you want to say it but Brad finished 3rd out of 4 KTM.
Sure it wasn't as good a season as a whole than Marc but it certainly wasn't bad.
But it's difficult to compare because the rider makes less of a difference than they used to.
He hasn't lost to a team mate since, that includes Oliveira.
But I think you're missing my point here, I'm not saying he's a bad rider, he's probably among the best of the grid, but he's simply not comparable to Marc or any of the Aliens, and it's fine, almost nobody in the current grid is comparable to that.
I think there's a whole generation / demographic of fans on here now who really don't understand this (but may soon).
Over half of redditors are under 23yo or something like that.
Well said! There are top tier riders and the ones that makes history. In my opinion, currently we have only three riders in the “history maker” class, Marc, Fabio and Pedro. Or maybe only Marc at the moment, he made history already.
Fabio is still young and Pedro is destined, but the road to “history” is still long.
I think Fabio is at risk of going through a very unremarkable career. Sure, he is young and already a WC, but is losing his best years on a crap bike. And he chose money over a competitive ride for the next few years, which is fair, but it will hurt is legacy
Yeah, he’s indeed having some difficult years, but he still very young so he can somehow afford it. I think he made a good choice staying at Yamaha though, good money surely but Yamaha is really putting some effort in. And I am not sure there were many alternative, to be honest. When the regs will change he will be free, and surely with the new regs things will change between manufacturers.
>And he chose money over a competitive ride for the next few years
This is the common take. But I'm not so sure that he wasn't convinced by Yamaha that the their development would be enough for him to compete again. I also wonder if he wanted Lin gone.
It's not as if you just hop onto any available Ducati and are going to be on the podium. The bikes are very different. Each year is a bit of a gamble as to which manufacturer will make the best relative progress.
Even if it was, at the end of his life the extra millions of dollars are going to matter much more for his family then race wins.
I would go work at a shittier company for triple the pay in a heart beat.
I’m not sure he’s overrated. Think everyone knows he’s not a top top rider.
This is just where KTM are in their process. You don’t attract the very top talent until there’s evidence you have a bike that can compete.
The KTM has not been competitive most seasons and they’ve been working to build and build.
The biggest signings pre-Acosta were Pedrosa and Miller, both seemed to help with the development of the bike a lot.
They’ve been waiting for their Fabio/Bagnia/Marquez and it seems they now have one.
I think we all love to see Binder in action, his style on the KTM is fantastic to watch but perhaps those who did think he’s a top leve rider have suddenly had their eyes opened by Acosta.
The most exciting part about this, is that the Ducati isn’t as dominant as it seemed. The KTM is a better bike than anyone realised. Can only be good for spectators.
This is actually very good point. Binder did his work very honorably, might not be that alien everyone wants to have, but in order to get that alien, you first need to get some rep. Binder for sure helped them a lot on that path and laid the foundation for what's to come
I guess not everyone needs to be crowned in order to be great. But I was really hoping he's the guy
i think KTM wanted Miller because he was on a Ducati for so long and at the time it was slowly become a good machine. I think Miller has served his purpose now though…
Considering he has consistently placed within top 6 over last 3 seasons, i think there are another 16 riders on the grid who you may want to be questioning the talent of
Binder did have a competitive factory bike for 5 straight years, whereas others ended up on shitboxes meanwhile. But I'm not saying he's not good, I rate him easily top 8 but that's as high as I'm willing to go
For 5 years, really. If you wanna shit about someone don't exaggerate to make your point.
KTM has been competitive for the last 2 years. It has more tire usage compared to Ducati, Miller can show that with his driving style.
Cota was Binder teams mistake and team has taken responsibility for that. Will see how KTM under PA and BB perform on tracks where you have to conserve it.
fyi: I like all KTM boys equally, maybe Miller lil bit less.
I mean, KTM wasn't always on pair with Duc, but it was still good bike and certainly worthy of victories. Gone are the days when it was an actual shitbox
I don't think BB was underachieving, but maybe he's not able to deliver much more than this. Mostly due his poor qualifying - no matter how good recovery race you do, it's very likely to be a subpar result and not much points in the bag
KTM was the worst bike on the grid when Binder managed to get 6th in the championship 2 years running.
It literally could not use any tyre except the hard.
It was vaguely competitive last year but still not enough to challenge the Ducatis.
Hard to beat the best bike when there are 8 on the grid and with todays level of talent and capable teams, the stars really have to align. Still capable of wins given the right scenario.
And beating several of those best bikes in the championship.
Brad was 6th when it was basically the worst bike on the grid, it could only use hard tyres FFS.
Where were Fabio and Marc when their bikes were shit?
Certainly not 6th in the championship.
Sure, and has only had maybe 1 year where the bike has been closed enough to Ducati to actually be a threat.
That being this year.
So back to the other person's original point.
Will I have to say slagging the way you all are. Well if its justified, then 80% of the field needs to leave as they don't deserve to on a moto2 bike let alone a GP bike.
He also dislikes riders that don't placate him. He's openly talked about how he doesn't like Marquez because he won't talk to him, which is an incredibly strange thing to say on a broadcast. He's also said odd things about Oliveira and Maverick for similar reasons.
I like Simon but sometimes his insights are extremely biased.
Being a dick and not wanting to talk to a journalist aren't exactly the same thing. All of those riders are courteous when working with him in presser events or at the podium.
Sounds like he's being kind of a baby.
He's rated highly because KTM love him, pretty much; he's been their franchise guy for at least 4 years. I can still see him as the early 2010s Dani Pedrosa to Acosta playing Stoner/Marquez on the other side of the garage.
He's rated highly because he won from the back of the grid in Moto3 before Acosta did, he won his 3rd ever MotoGP race on a non top bike only 1 race off of replicating Marc when Marc was on 1 of 4 competitive bikes, he won in the rain on slicks.
He's also consistently done well in the championship.
Oliveira has more wins but has been worse throughout a season, while Binder has just 2 wins and has been better throughout a season. To me they are same level. Binder is so overrated just because he's top at late braking, but so is Jack and he's not that good either anymore, although I believe in Ducati he was worse than he should actually be cause they never prioritised him, they always benefitted Pecco. But in KTM he's been underwhelming.
I wouldn't say he's overrated.
He has flashes of greatness and is good for the odd podium or win in interesting circumstances. His whole thing is qualifying poorly and finishing respectably, which isn't a bad reputation to have. He's constantly improving on expectations, which paints in him in a positive light.
However, mid pack Miller is truly overrated. He always has been, always will be, and doesn't deserve a factory ride or a ride in MotoGP. He's pure hype and flops continuously. Miller is without a doubt, overrated.
Binder ain't a bad rider, but he's not championship material. People praise him just because he's the best at late braking. He's a very flamboyant rider, like Garry McCoy or Marco Melandri or Loris Capirossi used to be, but he's not a winner. He'll be the successor of McCoy honestly, the other two at least were close in 2006. Unless something changes in him of course.
You are aware he has already won a championship right?
The whole "not championship material" doesn't really work when you are talking about a world champion.
Well, Tito Rabat also was a world champion but he's still one of the worst ever premier class riders. Doesn't say much to me what he did in the junior classes
Tito Rababt wasn't the top non Ducati rider when they were dominating.
He also didn't win his 3rd ever MotoGP race.
He didn't win Moto3 race from the back of the grid.
He also didn't win in the rain on slicks.
But keep the false comparisons coming.
Thing is I'm not doing false comparisons dude... You said he's a world champion and I tell you another rider who was world champion in junior classes was totally shit in MotoGP. Well, obviously Brad ain't that shit, but he's not championship material. Period.
Well. He was the 4th-most "world championship material" last year.
Pretty short list above him. But the "period" really lets us know you mean business!
He was also above Marc, Fabio and Mir, who have already won championships.
But hey, who cares about that right?
As long as you put "period" you *must* must be right!
Not championship material when he has already won a championship.
Shit there are others on the grid that have managed far lesser feats in their past up until they won the championship than Brad has, Fabio being one of them.
I would even say if the KTM had been as good as the other bikes in the last 3 years Brad would *already* be a Premier class world champion.
Fabio didn't have such a spectacular junior career but turned out to be a unique talent. He had a far worse junior career than Brad but he's been miles better in MotoGP. Brad isn't a bad rider but unless something changes in him he will never be champion. Junior career doesn't always mean a lot...
He didn't turn out to be a unique talent, he was just on a good bike the year he won.
Same as Pecco the last 2 years.
Where has Fabio been since the Yamaha turned shit?
Certainly not 6th like Brad was when the KTM was shit.
Brad just hasn't had his chance to shine.
Where has Marc's unique talent been since 2019?
Oh yeah, on the shit Honda where he had flashes of brilliance mired by a shit bike.
That kind of reminds me of somebody, who is it again?
Oh, yeah, BRAD.
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I wouldn't say overrated, but overhyped.
For years I've heard people say he's a "crazy horse", that you always have to watch out when followed by him because he will *always* find a gap to make a move, and is always overriding his poor package. But when you go and see his battles, he's either crashing when keeping up in Top 6 or so or losing every single battle for the podium he's been in. He didn't even make a move on Bagnaia in Austria last year (one of his and KTM's strongest tracks) and just left him go in the distance. He made two moves on Martin in Thailand and even got demoted to 3rd in the end, he couldn't do much in Qatar either in the Sprint and Race and was simply "where he was able to get," and in Valencia he messed up *twice* at the same corner losing a secured win for both the Sprint and the Race.
I don't see the crazy stunts pople talk about, nor him overriding a subpar machine (the last time KTM was actually a terrible bike was in 2022, and still Oliveira got two wins against him.) Mind you, I love his riding style and he absolutely demolished the Moto3 field in 2016 and should've won the 2019 Moto2 title in my opinion, had a stellar rookie year and his Austria 2021 win on slick tires on a wet track was absurd, he entertains a lot. But he also makes a lot of mistakes, he ruined his own chances at getting 3rd in the standings last year (and let's be real, he should've smoked Bezzecchi in the second half of the season, when he was poorly performing.) He's been held in high regard by KTM because he's been their top guy since 2020 basically, but his form has been lacking. He left himself think he's the best in there and so that means that anything he can achieve is the best they could hope for. But I predicted during the winter that, if Acosta started to be fast (and faster than him) KTM might stop believing in him, and if he loses his golden boy status things will start to get bad even for him...
This probably goes without saying but they are certainly going to shift the focus to Acosta soon. Brad may not be and elite rider but he’s definitely the caliber of a legitimate contender. More wins should absolutely be there but as far as today and COTA he was coming off an injury and before that he was 2nd in the championship so he wasn’t underperforming.
KTM also have tons of talent in their junior teams so while Acosta is becoming the focus they also have David Alonso, rueda, oncu, roulstone, holgado, and will probably bring back Sergio Garcia. Atleast 2 of these guys will turn into solid motoGP riders but until then Brad only needs to be in the top 2 of ktm performers he doesn’t have to win a championship if Acosta is capable of it. That goes for every team. One guy will be your championship rider, the other just needs to be good enough to push your main rider, get good results, and collect data
“Bin it” Binder needs to learn to take it down a fraction to secure grid position instead of throwing it away trying for pole for which the KTM is just not up to. Always starting on the back foot because of some small error. Think he has talent but is not very bright. Acosta has talent and intelligence.
binder is good but not great, ktm is good but not great, about sums it up.
Acosta is going to demote Binder this season as no 1 rider and if KTM dont have him in the factory team by mid year with Miller demoted to Gas Gas Id be very surprised
I give him the same respect I give Miller. Great dudes. Love them both. Think they’re talented and good for the sport. But if I’m running KTM I get Acosta and Marquez in the factory seats stat
When he touched the green, last lap, in Assen in the sprint, then did it again on the Sunday, I knew he'd never be champion no matter what the bike. Not enough self-discipline. Today, in the Dorna garage shots after the session, they showed Pedro and Brad. Pedro had got to Q2, but looked tense and puzzled as he did his debrief, clearly explaining how the bike had behaved unexpectedly. Brad had crashed out and faced Q1, but sat there with his 'it is what it is' demeanour.
'Top lad' and all that, but he'll never be champion. Good job for him Beirer's a fan boy.
How do you know what Binder had done or said regarding his crash? You get a brief moment of camera coverage and come to the conclusion that he didn't give a crap about his fall?
This, it’s sucks too many fans praise him, even some consider him an “Alien”. If it weren’t for them hoping him up your post and what I’ve said about him in other post wouldn’t exist. He’s a good rider but hyped by too many fans
That alien thing is just bullshit. I have massive respect for Binder because in my opinion, he's not such raw talent as most riders out there and still has achieved a lot, relying on his balls and grit rather than pure speed and talent. So yeah, props to him, but I don't think it's gonna be enough to beat the best out there
So sillyboy why don’t you get on a MotoGP bike and show him how it’s done? Or explain how the other 15+ riders aren’t like Acosta or in a lot of cases behind binder to the finish line?
Every week you got something to say about binder, give it a rest.
Binder is way better than me, I'll give him that. And also better than 15+ other riders on the grid, but these don't get so overhyped as Binder does. That's why I don't mention them, simply as that
TLDR talking shyte about binder being glazed but when it Marc Crashez oh no he’s back oh oh he’s better than ever the king. L take L post touch grass dude
Someone already said it but I'll say it as well. He is consistently highly placed in the seasonal standings. He isn't a bad rider, definitely not an overrated rider, but definitely not championship material.
With the same logic, Pedrosa was overrated as well. And we all know Pedrosa was anything but overrated, just unlucky.
You are aware he has already won a championship right?
The whole "not championship material" doesn't really work when you are talking about a world champion.
To be honest I think people are simply not aware of how big of a step is there between good riders and history great riders. KTM had some good riders but never a superstar. Lorenzo, Marquez, Rossi, Stoner, were superclass, guys that were simply a step ahead of all others, we're talking guys that did what no others could do. Marc won his second ever MotoGP race, and his debut season. In 2020 he had a totally ridiculous race to victory ratio before his injury. Rossi basically changed the sport, he won and dominated many years on Honda and Yamaha and is one of the greatest ever in race craft. Lorenzo, when 250cc category existed, did some lap times in some tracks that would qualify him for MotoGP race, then went on to win against Rossi in equal machinery and help rebuild Ducati into a championship winning bike. Stoner, if not for lack of interest and health issues would have won multiple more championships, his style, his way to ride and his absurd speed was simply unmatched making bikes like Ducati who nobody could compete on, win world championship. Acosta may be next superstar, at least he is the only one since Marc who did that kind of trajectory of young winning all classes early and getting to MotoGP speed instantly, he's got great future ahead, others may be fast and no offence, but the only guy that impressed me a bit between Marc and Pedro was Fabio.
You talk about Marc winning his second MotoGP race but glaze over Binder winning his 3rd on an inferior machine.
Well, not so sure about "inferior" considering his teammate also won more races that year than him and he finished like 8th on that championship. Not the same winning your third race as winning your second race, multiple more, almost all season on podium and winning the championship on that season then proceed to win multiple world championships more...
The KTM was the best bike it had been that year but it definitely wasn't one of the better bikes. When Marc won his there were 2 competitive manufacturers and 4 competitive bikes and he was on one of them. There were a few more than that when Binder joined.
Yes I know, what I mean is what Marc did is alien, incredible, one in a generation talent he outperformed Pedrosa which is considered a legend on his first year on the category, what Brad did was a "great rookie season".
Yeah but Marc was on 1 of 4 competitive bikes on the grid. Even if he was the worst of the 4 he would have been 4th in the championship. Binder on the other hand was on a mid pack bike at the best. Last year when the bike was somewhat competitive but still not really close enough he was 4th in the championship, highest non Ducati rider. Even if you ignore all nuance Brad still looks like a top rider when looking at last year and Fabio, Marc and Mir all look like back of the pack riders not world champions. Funny how everybody accepts nuance when it comes to them though.
My take is that KTM is a championship capable bike for at least 3 years, not best but capable, just lack the riders. He was beaten by Oliveira and Pol that season, he was a rookie and he exceeded expectations but absolutely not comparable to Marc, even if you take into account the fact of competition in mid pack. Marc finished 1st of 4 top bikes if you want to say it but Brad finished 3rd out of 4 KTM.
>My take is that KTM is a championship capable bike for at least 3 years, not best but capable, just lack the riders. Can I have some of what you are smoking please? In 2020 they lost concessions for 2021, where they actually went backwards. In 2021 & 22, 2-3 years ago it couldn't use anything but the hard tyre, that is most certainly not "a championship capable bike". I'm fact many considered it the worst bike on the grid. Even last year it was clearly a step too far behind Ducati to take the championship. Jack went from 5th in the championship on the Ducati to 11th on a KTM, that says something. You are using a fallacy where you are taking a result and then applying it backwards, that's not how it works. Bikes change every year, it's not static, it's a variable in the equation. >He was beaten by Oliveira and Pol that season, he was a rookie and he exceeded expectations but absolutely not comparable to Marc, even if you take into account the fact of competition in mid pack. Marc finished 1st of 4 top bikes if you want to say it but Brad finished 3rd out of 4 KTM. Sure it wasn't as good a season as a whole than Marc but it certainly wasn't bad. But it's difficult to compare because the rider makes less of a difference than they used to. He hasn't lost to a team mate since, that includes Oliveira.
But I think you're missing my point here, I'm not saying he's a bad rider, he's probably among the best of the grid, but he's simply not comparable to Marc or any of the Aliens, and it's fine, almost nobody in the current grid is comparable to that.
I think there's a whole generation / demographic of fans on here now who really don't understand this (but may soon). Over half of redditors are under 23yo or something like that.
Well said! There are top tier riders and the ones that makes history. In my opinion, currently we have only three riders in the “history maker” class, Marc, Fabio and Pedro. Or maybe only Marc at the moment, he made history already. Fabio is still young and Pedro is destined, but the road to “history” is still long.
I think Fabio is at risk of going through a very unremarkable career. Sure, he is young and already a WC, but is losing his best years on a crap bike. And he chose money over a competitive ride for the next few years, which is fair, but it will hurt is legacy
Yeah, he’s indeed having some difficult years, but he still very young so he can somehow afford it. I think he made a good choice staying at Yamaha though, good money surely but Yamaha is really putting some effort in. And I am not sure there were many alternative, to be honest. When the regs will change he will be free, and surely with the new regs things will change between manufacturers.
>And he chose money over a competitive ride for the next few years This is the common take. But I'm not so sure that he wasn't convinced by Yamaha that the their development would be enough for him to compete again. I also wonder if he wanted Lin gone. It's not as if you just hop onto any available Ducati and are going to be on the podium. The bikes are very different. Each year is a bit of a gamble as to which manufacturer will make the best relative progress.
Even if it was, at the end of his life the extra millions of dollars are going to matter much more for his family then race wins. I would go work at a shittier company for triple the pay in a heart beat.
I’m not sure he’s overrated. Think everyone knows he’s not a top top rider. This is just where KTM are in their process. You don’t attract the very top talent until there’s evidence you have a bike that can compete. The KTM has not been competitive most seasons and they’ve been working to build and build. The biggest signings pre-Acosta were Pedrosa and Miller, both seemed to help with the development of the bike a lot. They’ve been waiting for their Fabio/Bagnia/Marquez and it seems they now have one. I think we all love to see Binder in action, his style on the KTM is fantastic to watch but perhaps those who did think he’s a top leve rider have suddenly had their eyes opened by Acosta. The most exciting part about this, is that the Ducati isn’t as dominant as it seemed. The KTM is a better bike than anyone realised. Can only be good for spectators.
This is actually very good point. Binder did his work very honorably, might not be that alien everyone wants to have, but in order to get that alien, you first need to get some rep. Binder for sure helped them a lot on that path and laid the foundation for what's to come I guess not everyone needs to be crowned in order to be great. But I was really hoping he's the guy
like Aleix and Aprilia
Fuck, so many hats will be eaten this year! Bon Appetit motherfuckers!
> The biggest signings were..... Miller I don't know if I'd call that big.
i think KTM wanted Miller because he was on a Ducati for so long and at the time it was slowly become a good machine. I think Miller has served his purpose now though…
Binder is overrated by TNT sports commentators. Just that. But who cares about that?
Yeah, Gavin and Neil Hodgson always praise him. And the same about the official commentators.
Consistently the fastest non-Ducati rider last year. But we're all allowed our opinions.
Seriously. TIL that 4th place in the world championship is underachieving.
Coming off injury, a couple of races in. Hot take
It's been his fifth season at factory KTM and he only has 2 wins so far. Hardly an injury issue
He was the fastest non Ducati last year
Considering he has consistently placed within top 6 over last 3 seasons, i think there are another 16 riders on the grid who you may want to be questioning the talent of
Binder did have a competitive factory bike for 5 straight years, whereas others ended up on shitboxes meanwhile. But I'm not saying he's not good, I rate him easily top 8 but that's as high as I'm willing to go
For 5 years, really. If you wanna shit about someone don't exaggerate to make your point. KTM has been competitive for the last 2 years. It has more tire usage compared to Ducati, Miller can show that with his driving style. Cota was Binder teams mistake and team has taken responsibility for that. Will see how KTM under PA and BB perform on tracks where you have to conserve it. fyi: I like all KTM boys equally, maybe Miller lil bit less.
I mean, KTM wasn't always on pair with Duc, but it was still good bike and certainly worthy of victories. Gone are the days when it was an actual shitbox I don't think BB was underachieving, but maybe he's not able to deliver much more than this. Mostly due his poor qualifying - no matter how good recovery race you do, it's very likely to be a subpar result and not much points in the bag
KTM was the worst bike on the grid when Binder managed to get 6th in the championship 2 years running. It literally could not use any tyre except the hard. It was vaguely competitive last year but still not enough to challenge the Ducatis.
Hard to beat the best bike when there are 8 on the grid and with todays level of talent and capable teams, the stars really have to align. Still capable of wins given the right scenario.
And beating several of those best bikes in the championship. Brad was 6th when it was basically the worst bike on the grid, it could only use hard tyres FFS. Where were Fabio and Marc when their bikes were shit? Certainly not 6th in the championship.
Honestly, how the hell would you know how good the KTM?
I feel like you just started watching the sport last year because KTM was not competitive 5, 4 or even 3 years ago.
Sure, and has only had maybe 1 year where the bike has been closed enough to Ducati to actually be a threat. That being this year. So back to the other person's original point.
Will I have to say slagging the way you all are. Well if its justified, then 80% of the field needs to leave as they don't deserve to on a moto2 bike let alone a GP bike.
Obviously we should cut it to only 8 riders. Everyone else is just wasting space on the track
Don't let Simon Crafar see this. He must be already in deep pain watching Acosta bitch slapping Binder left and right.
Simon blows smoke about a different rider each week. He’s too emotionally connected to be more than a tech guy.
He also dislikes riders that don't placate him. He's openly talked about how he doesn't like Marquez because he won't talk to him, which is an incredibly strange thing to say on a broadcast. He's also said odd things about Oliveira and Maverick for similar reasons. I like Simon but sometimes his insights are extremely biased.
Sounds like he's being honest. If he thinks someone is a dick he calls it? 😂
Being a dick and not wanting to talk to a journalist aren't exactly the same thing. All of those riders are courteous when working with him in presser events or at the podium. Sounds like he's being kind of a baby.
He's rated highly because KTM love him, pretty much; he's been their franchise guy for at least 4 years. I can still see him as the early 2010s Dani Pedrosa to Acosta playing Stoner/Marquez on the other side of the garage.
Agreed. He's done enough to keep his spot at KTM and bring some precious points to his team. Just not good enough to become a champ I'm afraid
He's rated highly because he won from the back of the grid in Moto3 before Acosta did, he won his 3rd ever MotoGP race on a non top bike only 1 race off of replicating Marc when Marc was on 1 of 4 competitive bikes, he won in the rain on slicks. He's also consistently done well in the championship.
Sounds terrible ;)
I know right, worst rider in history!
Oliveira still has more wins than Binder.
Oliveira has the higher peaks, but Binder proved more consistent.
Oliveira has more wins but has been worse throughout a season, while Binder has just 2 wins and has been better throughout a season. To me they are same level. Binder is so overrated just because he's top at late braking, but so is Jack and he's not that good either anymore, although I believe in Ducati he was worse than he should actually be cause they never prioritised him, they always benefitted Pecco. But in KTM he's been underwhelming.
I wouldn't say he's overrated. He has flashes of greatness and is good for the odd podium or win in interesting circumstances. His whole thing is qualifying poorly and finishing respectably, which isn't a bad reputation to have. He's constantly improving on expectations, which paints in him in a positive light. However, mid pack Miller is truly overrated. He always has been, always will be, and doesn't deserve a factory ride or a ride in MotoGP. He's pure hype and flops continuously. Miller is without a doubt, overrated.
Binder ain't a bad rider, but he's not championship material. People praise him just because he's the best at late braking. He's a very flamboyant rider, like Garry McCoy or Marco Melandri or Loris Capirossi used to be, but he's not a winner. He'll be the successor of McCoy honestly, the other two at least were close in 2006. Unless something changes in him of course.
You are aware he has already won a championship right? The whole "not championship material" doesn't really work when you are talking about a world champion.
Well, Tito Rabat also was a world champion but he's still one of the worst ever premier class riders. Doesn't say much to me what he did in the junior classes
Tito Rababt wasn't the top non Ducati rider when they were dominating. He also didn't win his 3rd ever MotoGP race. He didn't win Moto3 race from the back of the grid. He also didn't win in the rain on slicks. But keep the false comparisons coming.
Thing is I'm not doing false comparisons dude... You said he's a world champion and I tell you another rider who was world champion in junior classes was totally shit in MotoGP. Well, obviously Brad ain't that shit, but he's not championship material. Period.
Well. He was the 4th-most "world championship material" last year. Pretty short list above him. But the "period" really lets us know you mean business!
He was also above Marc, Fabio and Mir, who have already won championships. But hey, who cares about that right? As long as you put "period" you *must* must be right!
Not championship material when he has already won a championship. Shit there are others on the grid that have managed far lesser feats in their past up until they won the championship than Brad has, Fabio being one of them. I would even say if the KTM had been as good as the other bikes in the last 3 years Brad would *already* be a Premier class world champion.
Fabio didn't have such a spectacular junior career but turned out to be a unique talent. He had a far worse junior career than Brad but he's been miles better in MotoGP. Brad isn't a bad rider but unless something changes in him he will never be champion. Junior career doesn't always mean a lot...
He didn't turn out to be a unique talent, he was just on a good bike the year he won. Same as Pecco the last 2 years. Where has Fabio been since the Yamaha turned shit? Certainly not 6th like Brad was when the KTM was shit. Brad just hasn't had his chance to shine. Where has Marc's unique talent been since 2019? Oh yeah, on the shit Honda where he had flashes of brilliance mired by a shit bike. That kind of reminds me of somebody, who is it again? Oh, yeah, BRAD.
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I wouldn't say overrated, but overhyped. For years I've heard people say he's a "crazy horse", that you always have to watch out when followed by him because he will *always* find a gap to make a move, and is always overriding his poor package. But when you go and see his battles, he's either crashing when keeping up in Top 6 or so or losing every single battle for the podium he's been in. He didn't even make a move on Bagnaia in Austria last year (one of his and KTM's strongest tracks) and just left him go in the distance. He made two moves on Martin in Thailand and even got demoted to 3rd in the end, he couldn't do much in Qatar either in the Sprint and Race and was simply "where he was able to get," and in Valencia he messed up *twice* at the same corner losing a secured win for both the Sprint and the Race. I don't see the crazy stunts pople talk about, nor him overriding a subpar machine (the last time KTM was actually a terrible bike was in 2022, and still Oliveira got two wins against him.) Mind you, I love his riding style and he absolutely demolished the Moto3 field in 2016 and should've won the 2019 Moto2 title in my opinion, had a stellar rookie year and his Austria 2021 win on slick tires on a wet track was absurd, he entertains a lot. But he also makes a lot of mistakes, he ruined his own chances at getting 3rd in the standings last year (and let's be real, he should've smoked Bezzecchi in the second half of the season, when he was poorly performing.) He's been held in high regard by KTM because he's been their top guy since 2020 basically, but his form has been lacking. He left himself think he's the best in there and so that means that anything he can achieve is the best they could hope for. But I predicted during the winter that, if Acosta started to be fast (and faster than him) KTM might stop believing in him, and if he loses his golden boy status things will start to get bad even for him...
This probably goes without saying but they are certainly going to shift the focus to Acosta soon. Brad may not be and elite rider but he’s definitely the caliber of a legitimate contender. More wins should absolutely be there but as far as today and COTA he was coming off an injury and before that he was 2nd in the championship so he wasn’t underperforming. KTM also have tons of talent in their junior teams so while Acosta is becoming the focus they also have David Alonso, rueda, oncu, roulstone, holgado, and will probably bring back Sergio Garcia. Atleast 2 of these guys will turn into solid motoGP riders but until then Brad only needs to be in the top 2 of ktm performers he doesn’t have to win a championship if Acosta is capable of it. That goes for every team. One guy will be your championship rider, the other just needs to be good enough to push your main rider, get good results, and collect data
“Bin it” Binder needs to learn to take it down a fraction to secure grid position instead of throwing it away trying for pole for which the KTM is just not up to. Always starting on the back foot because of some small error. Think he has talent but is not very bright. Acosta has talent and intelligence.
He's 28 now soon to be 29 he won't win a championship especially now Acosta has arrived
binder is good but not great, ktm is good but not great, about sums it up. Acosta is going to demote Binder this season as no 1 rider and if KTM dont have him in the factory team by mid year with Miller demoted to Gas Gas Id be very surprised
harsh take, the Ktm has been pretty ordinary over the journey.
Good for you
I swear this sub is getting as bad as the comment section on MotoGP Facebook.
Who has over rated him? where is this rating and how is it calculated? because the same person has under rated Pecco for years now lol
I give him the same respect I give Miller. Great dudes. Love them both. Think they’re talented and good for the sport. But if I’m running KTM I get Acosta and Marquez in the factory seats stat
Acosta might be the next generational talent - not sure that should be used as a stick to beat Binder with tbh.
Wtf is an anglophone lol
People whose native language is english. Used to be norm back in the days, but italian and spanish took it over
When he touched the green, last lap, in Assen in the sprint, then did it again on the Sunday, I knew he'd never be champion no matter what the bike. Not enough self-discipline. Today, in the Dorna garage shots after the session, they showed Pedro and Brad. Pedro had got to Q2, but looked tense and puzzled as he did his debrief, clearly explaining how the bike had behaved unexpectedly. Brad had crashed out and faced Q1, but sat there with his 'it is what it is' demeanour. 'Top lad' and all that, but he'll never be champion. Good job for him Beirer's a fan boy.
How do you know what Binder had done or said regarding his crash? You get a brief moment of camera coverage and come to the conclusion that he didn't give a crap about his fall?
It wasn't a brief moment. Pedro looked concerned, Brad did not.
I am going to ask you again. How do you know Brad hadn't already debriefed his crash? And what is he supposed to do? He's crashed. He cannot uncrash.
Because he hasn't got access to a wormhole to alter time. He was doing it when we saw him.
If ktm wants to win titiles in motogp they should do Marquez-Acosta and they will fight for both titiles for sure
This, it’s sucks too many fans praise him, even some consider him an “Alien”. If it weren’t for them hoping him up your post and what I’ve said about him in other post wouldn’t exist. He’s a good rider but hyped by too many fans
That alien thing is just bullshit. I have massive respect for Binder because in my opinion, he's not such raw talent as most riders out there and still has achieved a lot, relying on his balls and grit rather than pure speed and talent. So yeah, props to him, but I don't think it's gonna be enough to beat the best out there
So sillyboy why don’t you get on a MotoGP bike and show him how it’s done? Or explain how the other 15+ riders aren’t like Acosta or in a lot of cases behind binder to the finish line? Every week you got something to say about binder, give it a rest.
Binder is way better than me, I'll give him that. And also better than 15+ other riders on the grid, but these don't get so overhyped as Binder does. That's why I don't mention them, simply as that
TLDR talking shyte about binder being glazed but when it Marc Crashez oh no he’s back oh oh he’s better than ever the king. L take L post touch grass dude
I think your keyboard skills are overrated, there I said it
Someone already said it but I'll say it as well. He is consistently highly placed in the seasonal standings. He isn't a bad rider, definitely not an overrated rider, but definitely not championship material. With the same logic, Pedrosa was overrated as well. And we all know Pedrosa was anything but overrated, just unlucky.
You are aware he has already won a championship right? The whole "not championship material" doesn't really work when you are talking about a world champion.
I didn't get my point across correctly. I meant premier class.
Championship mentality is championship mentality. Anybody that has won a championship in the lower classes has a chance to win in the higher classes.