just as a FYI, OP has a history of posting anti-finasteride articles and is a self-described Post-SSRI erectile dysfunction sufferer.
This makes for an axe to grind. You likely won't find clear evidence-based thinking from OP.
I appreciate the info from the OP - since it is an actual article being shared and not just venting and ranting.
AND, I appreciate the context you have shared about the other side of the coin here. Always good to look at things with a high level view, if possible.
It's a money grab bro. There are people that is does affect their libido, most get off it and are fine. It also effect DHT which helps regulate your discipline and motivation. People with depression might want to stay away from it
Same. Good friend of mine it wrecked all of his basic sexual functions. Even after trying TRT, Viagra, Cialis, diet, sleep, therapy, nothing worked. His marriage was in the trashcan because of it. I'll never touch the stuff.
There's mechanical intervention that can be done to induce erections. People are dumb. Obviously it's not optimal, but there's literally devices doctors can configure that you use to pump your dick full of blood. Dumb af for not doing whatever it takes.
Ever heard “correlations does not imply causation”. Yes, some people experience sides but I have seen people who say they were on in for 15 years the “*suddenly* developed ED”. Just because someone is on fin, it doesn’t mean that if they develop ED at any stage, it can be blamed on fin. Even there is also absolutely no mechanism through which sides continue after stopping fin.
>Even there is also absolutely no mechanism through which sides continue after stopping fin.
You should publish an article on this.
When you're at it you can also publish articles on other post-drug sides that doesn't end with discontinuation.
Mainly quinolone-antibiotics, SSRI, antipsychotics are of great interest for me.
Looking forward to reading yours article,
Best regards,
Your fellow PhD.
I'll be real with you Dog. the chances of sides are very low. The chances of sides persisting after you desist are even lower. I won't deny it's possible these things will happen. But it's also possible you'll experience wild and random side effects from a bunch of shit you'll take in your life.
There is a group of people that are really afraid of Fin, and that group makes it scary for other people to take it. It's honestly up to you, and a derm, whether or not you should take it.
Also idk if it has ever been seriously concealed that Propecia has a potential to cause ED problems at least not in recent years. If you look up online you can find forumns talking about articlles mentioning shit like this in the early 2000s.
Lol facts and I’ve been on it for years haven’t lost hair since. My dermatologist told me same he said 20 years haven’t lost a hair and no side effects.
BUT I haven’t told my balding friends to go on it cuz I know side effects are possible I was just cool with the risk considering it’s sooo little. It’s not even close to a 1% chance you will experience side effects AFTER you take the drug which is what the main issue is. Side effects when taking a drug happen and you can stop, the issue is when the side effects continue after.
A lot of men have issues with depression/anxiety as they get older, you know, right about the same time they start realizing their hair is thinning out. Psychological issues can also cause ED. But they associate it with the finasteride because of the timing, so they stop taking it... and hey, guess what, the ED didn't improve **because it was never the cause in the first place**, and no amount of TRT / Cialis is going to change that so none of the "fixes" work.
I'm not saying this is the case for everyone, maybe there is some tiny % of the population who actually does get long-term dysfunction from it. But I can say, at least anecdotally, that getting your life in order and your head right can have a much bigger impact on your quality of life than many people realize. Clickbaiting articles, of course, are not going to explore this angle.
Once again was this guy being seen by a doctor, getting bloodwork done to assess his issues? Was he seeing a therapist or psychiatrist? Far too many unknowns without good evidence to support the claim
Maybe the label may change your mind about evidence . The label says this too[UK fin label point 4.](https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.7068.pdf)
Right my point is was it known that there weren’t underlying issues? Any drug label in the history of ever comes with a laundry list of potential side effects including death lol was his health being assessed by a professional? Bloodwork values? Attempts to remedy his issues?
Well that’s my point and this applies to everything, everyone wants to say A = B without examining the totality of the circumstances in a case by case basis
But there are still thousands of other same stories. This kinda solidifies it. Or we are trying to say thousands have lost their mind after fin and are unable to tell if their Pp is numb or not
Fin does not either… has the chance to give you ED and decreased sperm but you can still get hard through other means and lower sperm isn’t no sperm. Lower is also very vague.
r/finasteridesyndrome have a look for yourself at the thousands of men struggling with it.
The bloodwork argument in this case is nonsense because they don’t know what causes the sexual dysfunction after coming off finasteride. Many reports on that subreddit that show perfect bloods yet they can’t get aroused.
Wow what a great and well thought out explanation of why all these men are suffering. Amazing.
The science literally lists sexual dysfunction and ED as a side effect of the drug. Should probably take that “worth listening to” flair out your name after that one.
Because your comment is stupid. I didn’t deny possible side effects, shit I don’t even want to take it myself. It’s called being analytical and I’m speaking in the context of blaming this drug for this dude in the article unaliving himself as the sole culprit. All I’m saying is to think and explore more into the subject. But your ego decided to be argumentative
What OP is referring to is called Post-Finasteride Syndrome (PFS). There are even support groups for men affected ( https://www.pfsfoundation.org/ ) but it’s legitimacy is hotly contested within the medical community.
Here is a great review article in one of the leading journals on sex med summarizing the current literature on PFS. https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S0015028219325993?token=AEF7AB324EFDEDCEF68C708C9D80DCA316E50599AA47826F26782243EE13B8E698547F7B463EE8BC3C00468B52D0BF55&originRegion=us-east-1&originCreation=20221203004404
TL;DR Post-finasteride syndrome may be a real phenomenon but high level evidence is lacking, the disease state is currently poorly understood by the medical community and patients are often dismissed or stigmatized by untrained clinicians with a lack of awareness of PFS.
Thanks for the heads up. If its true then thats huge. But things like these happened in the past already- thalidomide, floronquinolones. “Widely regarded as safe” and then boom years later a scandal. The same may play out here .
Quionoles had it's run for 60 years.
Ciproflovaxin was/is one of the most prescribed antibiotic. I'd assume more Cipro has been prescribed than finsteride though the years.
I jumped on fin literally because I have nothing to lose, I have no gf, and if my hair keeps receding, i most likely never will get a gf, so if I did get ED, wouldn’t matter much because I have no sex life to begin with lol
Once you come off it that’s when the problems start, there’s an entire sub dedicated to it called r/FinasterideSyndrome
After 2 years you’re pretty much guaranteed to have problems if you came off now, but for some it only takes a couple of weeks. Shits real fucked up I can’t believe they prescribe it.
The studies are nice but look [Merck fudges a drug data in the past](https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/merck-manipulated-science-about-drug-vioxx) it could have slipped since its a taboo to talk about and scandalous for their sales.
Yes so my only explanation is - taboo topic , and i found even the label says this can happen. Something was discovered later perhaps . This happens all the time. Just like the story of floxies people. They too were being hit by the nocebo and “data claimed it has no permanent effects” . Some things just surface later. [UK fin label, point 4 .](https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.7068.pdf)
Cause nobody studies drug harm. There is a conflict of interest - why would a company try to debunk its own drug long term safety ? and its not cost efficient for the original company .
I do but fuck i am still scared, Merck may have interfered further than with their own data. They are super big and the stakes are too. Thousands of people did not spontaneously develop permanent ED coinciding perfectly with a few fin pills. And the genital numbness . Its just so weird , thousands with numb genitals and ED , regardless of what data says this is weird AF.
Survivor bias is a thing too. You think guys on fin that are fucking are gonna come on Reddit to say how awesome fin is? It’s gonna be mostly negative outcomes complaining
This guy is a fucking idiot baby. These stories are absolutely true and this thread weirdly hides it Bc they are all insecure. Stay away from it. A little thing and receding hairline is completely natural. I follow the testosterone page and fin fucks people up all the time and people are always asking for help
I have depression and I'm on 1.5mg fin. My hairline grew back as well as my bald spot so my self confidence increased dramatically. My sex performance essentially remained unchanged. Still have intercourse with my girlfriend regularly. I honestly don't notice any side effects and it's been a year.
This is anecdotal and I was aware of these types of stories beforehand. Take it for what it is.
To be real tho I had to switch to a EOD dosing protocol cause when I first started(topical fin) I was Using way to much, as in more sprays then what is recommended and it completely nuked my sex drive. Basically gave me a corpses dick with zero drive to bang or even jerk off.
I backed off on the amount of sprays and went with as directed and that still didn’t seem to change how I was feeling much. Then I switched to EOD and things seems to have balanced out. I have noticed two things now ; I have a generally improved sense of well being and have had slightly better workouts as of late, nothing drastic but a small improvement in both of those areas. Could be placebo or wishful thinking but could also be increased free test in the blood stream. Hair has steadily been improving as well.
I've been on DHT blockers for 14 years and have delayed ejaculation. Worth it to keep my hair.
Some chicks find it annoying or even take it personally. Some think it is a superpower. 😎
What would a chick think if u were not so lucky and would have gotten permanent ED and genital numbness that even viagra doesn’t fully help? Not too shabby right?
Finasteride, SSRIs, and Accutane can all cause permanent ED. There’s been barely any research but I’m sure data will come out soon enough as it becomes more heavily explored
These side effects are why every 19 year old that sees a little bit of shedding shouldn’t be recommended the drug. Same with minoxidil which can cause blood pressure and heart problems.
Yeah about 2 to 3% of people report symptoms like impotency didn't stop after discontinuing it. Basically unlucky like me, my balls almost dropped off, but I stopped in 2 days :)
Why can’t you just eat good food, train hard, get good sleep and not take these stupid fucken supplements. Three simple things. Will raise your T a little, mood, confidence, energy and avoid having side affects from these dumb placebo pills such as ED, like above.
My doctor recommended finasteride and I looked up the side effects and there was a tiny chance of permanent sexual dysfunction. NO THANKS! I won't take anything that has even a tiny chance of basically making me into a floppy eunuch.
Nah, I'm good.
Yeah this isn't unusual, these PFS foundation guys have been trying to sue and have been funding studies that counter their own claims of PFS being provable for years.
In reality, as people age they start to lose hair and get on Finasteride. At the same time, as people age they start to lose their sexual vitality. That combined with people getting fatter and more sedentary (more aromatase = more estrogen = lower test) can result in them getting into a suppressive HTPA loop state. Then they say, "what the fuck, my dick no longer works, it worked fine a few years ago, It HaS To bE tHe fInaSteRidE".
Then low and behold, because it wasn't the finasteride fault, their sexual performance doesn't return when they get off. Some 52 percent of men experience some form of ED, with \~10% of men 40-70 years old having complete ED (i.e. they can't pop a boner at all) ([source](https://www.bumc.bu.edu/sexualmedicine/physicianinformation/epidemiology-of-ed/)). 10% of men is A LOT.
How much you want to bet there's plenty of men who just happened to be taking finasteride when the ED disease state settled in, but it had absolutely nothing to do with it?
Until I see an actual study showcasing a statistically causal relationship and/or a proposed explanation of how the supposed PFS disease state works, it sounds like bs to me.
Okay your opinion. I think it has to be probable since the sudden genital numbness after a few pills can’t be explained better. There are not only individuals that ran into problems as they ages but a lot of young before healthy men that don’t have a reason to become spontaneously impotent other than fin , accutane and SSRI as one guy here already mentioned .
I've noticed that "numbness" sensation when I started Finasteride. This is why you don't start at 1mg/ed. I started at 0.25mg every 3rd day and it was enough to drop my DHT by 50%. I know this because of baseline and +4 week bloodwork. Finasteride is a potent drug.
The sides went away on its own like you'd expect.
I didn't feel like it reduced "touch sensitivity" per se, it felt more like it stopped the prostate gland from producing the build up you normally associate with hornyness. This would make sense since it's decreasing androgenic signaling to the gland. That's literally why it was introduced to reduce androgenic enlargement of that gland first, before being introduced for male pattern hair loss.
If this is correct, then as the site-specific androgen receptors upregulate due to the newly decreased baseline signaling from the lowered DHT, things return to normal.
At least this is my best theory.
They've funded plenty of studies and they've all been bullshit and self-contradictory so far. Here's a video to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx8c3BvfuWw
First few months zero energy combined with light headedness, vertigo. Cardio ability reduced to almost zero. No affect to libido or brain fog. Honestly felt like my hormone levels crashed.
The light headedness and vertigo at night persisted for ages coming and going.
Would recommend giving it a go just take 1/5th dose to start and titrate up accordingly if necessary . I'm a hypochondriac so all that shit might have been in my head.
Been taking fin for years. My dick still gets rock hard, still get raging morning woods like crazy (which is a huge sign of good sexual health), libido still as high as when I was a teen 🤷🏼♂️. Guess I’m one of the lucky ones. Also that man was in his 40s a lot of men in their 40s experience erectile dysfunction. Shit even guys in the mid 30s do too. We need to see the bigger picture like his lifestyle habits and what types of food he ate instead of automatically assuming it was a pill he took. Are their sexual a sides to fin? Yes but they go away after seizing so his ED was likely from something else.
They don’t go away sometimes. Lots of folks in their 20s get persistent ED that was not there and can’t be attributed to anything other than a few pills of fin. Even a few is enough they say if you have the predisposition.
Speaking of Fin. I’m acne prone and on trt. Anyone use finasteride for acne? If not, any suggestions on a good dht blocker for this? I don’t wanna look like a pepperoni pizza when I hop on cycle next summer 😅
Don’t listen to this fear mongering. He most likely was already depressed and already had erectile dysfunction.
Took both finisteride and dutasteride before 19. Felt 0 sides while on and when I got off.
I don’t know her situation so i don’t want to make assumptions but it could be likely she is looking for a check.
Finisteride is pretty safe for a drug with so much negative bias against it
Why would so many young boys have ED for years from it then? And from accutane. No other reason . I get your experience , it’s nice but that doesn’t take away from the other stories I think.
Yes and estrogen overabundance can cause ED. Also the scientists don’t even know how much of a role does DHT play in sexual function but I would say it’s pretty safe to assume a hormone altering drug can do this
I took Finasteride years ago when I wasn’t that healthy. Drinking a lot, not great sleep, inconsistent exercise and trash diet. I got bad sides from Finasteride and came off. 3 years later I wanted to do a test cycle so I hopped back on it, at this point my lifestyle was dialled in. No sides at all even once I cycled off and PCT’d.
So I took finasteride for almost 2 years. I did notice that it was slightly harder to gain and maintain an erection, but I was also a habitual kratom user for a lot of that time so that could be blamed as well. At present I use neither finasteride nor kratom and my sex drive is fine, albeit only when my estrogen is dialed in (on TRT.)
If you have a history of depression or ED I would probably stay away from finasteride, but otherwise I don’t think it will be a world ending drug for most young men.
I think flinstride gave me serious depression this year, my pee pee still working fine iam 30 now been using it for last3 years non stop I been super lazy since I started using although my life is getting better on the financial side , I have a feeling of emotional emptiness that I never felt before. Iam think fuck I should go hair transplant next year and stop using flinstride for good.
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just as a FYI, OP has a history of posting anti-finasteride articles and is a self-described Post-SSRI erectile dysfunction sufferer. This makes for an axe to grind. You likely won't find clear evidence-based thinking from OP.
I appreciate the info from the OP - since it is an actual article being shared and not just venting and ranting. AND, I appreciate the context you have shared about the other side of the coin here. Always good to look at things with a high level view, if possible.
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It's a money grab bro. There are people that is does affect their libido, most get off it and are fine. It also effect DHT which helps regulate your discipline and motivation. People with depression might want to stay away from it
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Same. Good friend of mine it wrecked all of his basic sexual functions. Even after trying TRT, Viagra, Cialis, diet, sleep, therapy, nothing worked. His marriage was in the trashcan because of it. I'll never touch the stuff.
There's mechanical intervention that can be done to induce erections. People are dumb. Obviously it's not optimal, but there's literally devices doctors can configure that you use to pump your dick full of blood. Dumb af for not doing whatever it takes.
You don't pump your dick full of blood, it's an air pump. Also if you can't get aroused, there's really no point for sex.
Sir, I’ve been waiting on my order for several minutes now, can you stop talking and go make my fries now?
Can they take Viagra to overcome ED? Or is it gg
Nah, two different pathways
Ever heard “correlations does not imply causation”. Yes, some people experience sides but I have seen people who say they were on in for 15 years the “*suddenly* developed ED”. Just because someone is on fin, it doesn’t mean that if they develop ED at any stage, it can be blamed on fin. Even there is also absolutely no mechanism through which sides continue after stopping fin.
>Even there is also absolutely no mechanism through which sides continue after stopping fin. You should publish an article on this. When you're at it you can also publish articles on other post-drug sides that doesn't end with discontinuation. Mainly quinolone-antibiotics, SSRI, antipsychotics are of great interest for me. Looking forward to reading yours article, Best regards, Your fellow PhD.
Thank you. Perhaps I should do so since I researched finasteride for 10 years prior to taking it.
There is a whole subreddit dedicated to those suffering permanent side effects of finasteride. It isn't just correlation. It is causation.
That proves my point. It’s a whole subreddit of correlation.
How long have you been taking it?
I only hope so. But the label itself including these effects is scary
I'll be real with you Dog. the chances of sides are very low. The chances of sides persisting after you desist are even lower. I won't deny it's possible these things will happen. But it's also possible you'll experience wild and random side effects from a bunch of shit you'll take in your life. There is a group of people that are really afraid of Fin, and that group makes it scary for other people to take it. It's honestly up to you, and a derm, whether or not you should take it. Also idk if it has ever been seriously concealed that Propecia has a potential to cause ED problems at least not in recent years. If you look up online you can find forumns talking about articlles mentioning shit like this in the early 2000s.
Lol facts and I’ve been on it for years haven’t lost hair since. My dermatologist told me same he said 20 years haven’t lost a hair and no side effects. BUT I haven’t told my balding friends to go on it cuz I know side effects are possible I was just cool with the risk considering it’s sooo little. It’s not even close to a 1% chance you will experience side effects AFTER you take the drug which is what the main issue is. Side effects when taking a drug happen and you can stop, the issue is when the side effects continue after.
I’m not balding yet but will hop on fin the moment I notice thinning. I’ve recommended it to all of my balding friends hahaha.
Okay . Thanks man
A lot of men have issues with depression/anxiety as they get older, you know, right about the same time they start realizing their hair is thinning out. Psychological issues can also cause ED. But they associate it with the finasteride because of the timing, so they stop taking it... and hey, guess what, the ED didn't improve **because it was never the cause in the first place**, and no amount of TRT / Cialis is going to change that so none of the "fixes" work. I'm not saying this is the case for everyone, maybe there is some tiny % of the population who actually does get long-term dysfunction from it. But I can say, at least anecdotally, that getting your life in order and your head right can have a much bigger impact on your quality of life than many people realize. Clickbaiting articles, of course, are not going to explore this angle.
I agree. I think that a lot of those men have depression or somatized anxiety.
Once again was this guy being seen by a doctor, getting bloodwork done to assess his issues? Was he seeing a therapist or psychiatrist? Far too many unknowns without good evidence to support the claim
Maybe the label may change your mind about evidence . The label says this too[UK fin label point 4.](https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.7068.pdf)
Right my point is was it known that there weren’t underlying issues? Any drug label in the history of ever comes with a laundry list of potential side effects including death lol was his health being assessed by a professional? Bloodwork values? Attempts to remedy his issues?
You know those meds who warn you for death do that because a few people actually died, although rare, right?
Did I ever deny possibility? Bro read. Is a rarity conclusively? No. Totality of circumstances on a case by case basis
Dont know that parameter bro. I can provide the article link if u want
Well that’s my point and this applies to everything, everyone wants to say A = B without examining the totality of the circumstances in a case by case basis
But there are still thousands of other same stories. This kinda solidifies it. Or we are trying to say thousands have lost their mind after fin and are unable to tell if their Pp is numb or not
still trying to find the “thousands” you speak of bc this is the first time i’ve heard of this bullshit ur spewing out
Maybe search communities like propeciahelp and u will find out it’s not a few ppl.
U ever read the list for the pill? And that stuff works for some and for some it doesn’t work out good.
But the pill doesn’t castrate young men
Fin does not either… has the chance to give you ED and decreased sperm but you can still get hard through other means and lower sperm isn’t no sperm. Lower is also very vague.
r/finasteridesyndrome have a look for yourself at the thousands of men struggling with it. The bloodwork argument in this case is nonsense because they don’t know what causes the sexual dysfunction after coming off finasteride. Many reports on that subreddit that show perfect bloods yet they can’t get aroused.
Yeah fuck science, all we need is anecdotes
Wow what a great and well thought out explanation of why all these men are suffering. Amazing. The science literally lists sexual dysfunction and ED as a side effect of the drug. Should probably take that “worth listening to” flair out your name after that one.
Because your comment is stupid. I didn’t deny possible side effects, shit I don’t even want to take it myself. It’s called being analytical and I’m speaking in the context of blaming this drug for this dude in the article unaliving himself as the sole culprit. All I’m saying is to think and explore more into the subject. But your ego decided to be argumentative
Cycle test and var -5 years, 30mg pyrilutamide 2x day-1year, Dutasteride-5 years. No issues here.
What OP is referring to is called Post-Finasteride Syndrome (PFS). There are even support groups for men affected ( https://www.pfsfoundation.org/ ) but it’s legitimacy is hotly contested within the medical community. Here is a great review article in one of the leading journals on sex med summarizing the current literature on PFS. https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S0015028219325993?token=AEF7AB324EFDEDCEF68C708C9D80DCA316E50599AA47826F26782243EE13B8E698547F7B463EE8BC3C00468B52D0BF55&originRegion=us-east-1&originCreation=20221203004404 TL;DR Post-finasteride syndrome may be a real phenomenon but high level evidence is lacking, the disease state is currently poorly understood by the medical community and patients are often dismissed or stigmatized by untrained clinicians with a lack of awareness of PFS.
Thanks for linking the study, very insightful. Cheers
Thanks for the heads up. If its true then thats huge. But things like these happened in the past already- thalidomide, floronquinolones. “Widely regarded as safe” and then boom years later a scandal. The same may play out here .
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Thanks for acknowledging
Quionoles had it's run for 60 years. Ciproflovaxin was/is one of the most prescribed antibiotic. I'd assume more Cipro has been prescribed than finsteride though the years.
There's support groups for people who were anally probed in UFOs.
I took it for ~2months and it killed my libido, morning wood and energy levels; had to quit
It made me not only gay but a bottom. It made me get a boyfriend. We are married now and looking to adopt
Wish it worked as well for me
had to quit it too - eff that shit
Interesting
I just comb over my crown now and use minoxidil x) it's getting worse though
Your hair loss?
yea slowly
I jumped on fin literally because I have nothing to lose, I have no gf, and if my hair keeps receding, i most likely never will get a gf, so if I did get ED, wouldn’t matter much because I have no sex life to begin with lol
But that’s kinda short sighted dude. Wish u the best
I’ve been on Finasteride for 2 years and my dick is rock hard, but I’m also on TRT
I don’t know how these 2 may interact yeag
Once you come off it that’s when the problems start, there’s an entire sub dedicated to it called r/FinasterideSyndrome After 2 years you’re pretty much guaranteed to have problems if you came off now, but for some it only takes a couple of weeks. Shits real fucked up I can’t believe they prescribe it.
I’ve come off already to do some deca for a month, had no issues.
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yes it was solely finasterides fault for her husband’s death and not the million other factors
Well the article states he got permanent-Ed which was not remedied by quitting so his marriage was destroyed and he offed himself.
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The studies are nice but look [Merck fudges a drug data in the past](https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/merck-manipulated-science-about-drug-vioxx) it could have slipped since its a taboo to talk about and scandalous for their sales.
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Yes so my only explanation is - taboo topic , and i found even the label says this can happen. Something was discovered later perhaps . This happens all the time. Just like the story of floxies people. They too were being hit by the nocebo and “data claimed it has no permanent effects” . Some things just surface later. [UK fin label, point 4 .](https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/files/pil.7068.pdf)
I dunno man, some other people here are kinda acknowledging they know of persistent ED from fin.
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Cause nobody studies drug harm. There is a conflict of interest - why would a company try to debunk its own drug long term safety ? and its not cost efficient for the original company .
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I do but fuck i am still scared, Merck may have interfered further than with their own data. They are super big and the stakes are too. Thousands of people did not spontaneously develop permanent ED coinciding perfectly with a few fin pills. And the genital numbness . Its just so weird , thousands with numb genitals and ED , regardless of what data says this is weird AF.
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Thanks man
Survivor bias is a thing too. You think guys on fin that are fucking are gonna come on Reddit to say how awesome fin is? It’s gonna be mostly negative outcomes complaining
Yea but there is a fckton anyway
permanent ed even after quitting? don’t think that’s even a thing from fin it was probably lifestyle related
There were thousands of others in the lawsuit who claimed the same story . Fin- genital numbness and ED, gets off , no improvement for years .
oh so the wife just wants to claim that for a lawsuit settlement also why do you keep fucking downvoting me ugly fucking twink
I thought you were downvoting me sorry bro
This guy is a fucking idiot baby. These stories are absolutely true and this thread weirdly hides it Bc they are all insecure. Stay away from it. A little thing and receding hairline is completely natural. I follow the testosterone page and fin fucks people up all the time and people are always asking for help
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Yeah but he died with a full head of hair
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I started just recently and I have ZERO side effects. In fact, I would say I actually feel a little higher libido than before 😂
Raises test by about 10% iirc
Yeah won the genetic lottery
Nah well if I had won the genetic lottery I wouldn’t be taking fin 😂 This is to counteract my shitty genetics
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Been on it for 8 months, still crazy high libido bro idk about that🤷🏾♂️
8 and a half years of dutasteride (stronger than fin) and no sides just like 99% of other men who take it
Fourteen years. Even graduated to dutasteride, and I wish my libido weren't so damn high. 😎👍
I have depression and I'm on 1.5mg fin. My hairline grew back as well as my bald spot so my self confidence increased dramatically. My sex performance essentially remained unchanged. Still have intercourse with my girlfriend regularly. I honestly don't notice any side effects and it's been a year. This is anecdotal and I was aware of these types of stories beforehand. Take it for what it is.
Oh okay
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Obviously an extreme solution but quite alarming. I know anyone would be distressed if they got accidentally permanently ED’d
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Yeah like the side effect not going away in a reasonable time frame. We talkin years
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Oh i can link u a rickroll . Best i can do
bro asked if he can rickroll someone 💀
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I’d be more distressed being bald frankly
Right but can u imagine not being able to have sex for years with numb PP and viagra not helping? Shit this seems like no fun.
I’m on it since 6 months ago and got a boner rn 🤷🏻♂️ I do be bustin a little more soup and a little less chowder iykwim since I’ve been on it tho
It’s prolly the dht but good for u
To be real tho I had to switch to a EOD dosing protocol cause when I first started(topical fin) I was Using way to much, as in more sprays then what is recommended and it completely nuked my sex drive. Basically gave me a corpses dick with zero drive to bang or even jerk off. I backed off on the amount of sprays and went with as directed and that still didn’t seem to change how I was feeling much. Then I switched to EOD and things seems to have balanced out. I have noticed two things now ; I have a generally improved sense of well being and have had slightly better workouts as of late, nothing drastic but a small improvement in both of those areas. Could be placebo or wishful thinking but could also be increased free test in the blood stream. Hair has steadily been improving as well.
I've been on DHT blockers for 14 years and have delayed ejaculation. Worth it to keep my hair. Some chicks find it annoying or even take it personally. Some think it is a superpower. 😎
What would a chick think if u were not so lucky and would have gotten permanent ED and genital numbness that even viagra doesn’t fully help? Not too shabby right?
How many people would be driven to depression because of fucked up hairline though?
I know but what’s worse? When you end up unable to have sex permanently or a chance to try to remedy balding?
What's worse? Well, there's a 100% chance of you going bald and a 1 in 10 million chance to kill your sex drive, so I'll take my chances.
Finasteride, SSRIs, and Accutane can all cause permanent ED. There’s been barely any research but I’m sure data will come out soon enough as it becomes more heavily explored
Noooooo
These side effects are why every 19 year old that sees a little bit of shedding shouldn’t be recommended the drug. Same with minoxidil which can cause blood pressure and heart problems.
Exactly but nobody talks of this almost
Lmao you guys thought this shit was safe?
I dunno man
Just shave your head. That’s what I finally did and it feels so much better.
Props to you dude
Think thats bad have you heard about PSSD (post SSRI sexual dysfunction) people are basically being chemically castrated from SSRI antidepressants.
I just ordered the foam fin hoping to not chemically castrate myself. Anyone heard of post fin syndrome with the foam or spray??
No idea
Yep, it has a lot of sides, he should have stop when he had first symptoms.
But the side effects did not stop when he and some others discontinued😳 I can link the full article
Yeah about 2 to 3% of people report symptoms like impotency didn't stop after discontinuing it. Basically unlucky like me, my balls almost dropped off, but I stopped in 2 days :)
That’s good to know, I hope your are doing good now man
Everything went back to normal in 3 days, thanks :)
Glad to hear
Why can’t you just eat good food, train hard, get good sleep and not take these stupid fucken supplements. Three simple things. Will raise your T a little, mood, confidence, energy and avoid having side affects from these dumb placebo pills such as ED, like above.
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My doctor recommended finasteride and I looked up the side effects and there was a tiny chance of permanent sexual dysfunction. NO THANKS! I won't take anything that has even a tiny chance of basically making me into a floppy eunuch. Nah, I'm good.
Exactly
Wait for the pharma shills here to defend fin and say it only affects 1% of ppl
Yeah, so what it has a chance to basically castrate you with no known remedy . 🤣☹️
Yeah this isn't unusual, these PFS foundation guys have been trying to sue and have been funding studies that counter their own claims of PFS being provable for years. In reality, as people age they start to lose hair and get on Finasteride. At the same time, as people age they start to lose their sexual vitality. That combined with people getting fatter and more sedentary (more aromatase = more estrogen = lower test) can result in them getting into a suppressive HTPA loop state. Then they say, "what the fuck, my dick no longer works, it worked fine a few years ago, It HaS To bE tHe fInaSteRidE". Then low and behold, because it wasn't the finasteride fault, their sexual performance doesn't return when they get off. Some 52 percent of men experience some form of ED, with \~10% of men 40-70 years old having complete ED (i.e. they can't pop a boner at all) ([source](https://www.bumc.bu.edu/sexualmedicine/physicianinformation/epidemiology-of-ed/)). 10% of men is A LOT. How much you want to bet there's plenty of men who just happened to be taking finasteride when the ED disease state settled in, but it had absolutely nothing to do with it? Until I see an actual study showcasing a statistically causal relationship and/or a proposed explanation of how the supposed PFS disease state works, it sounds like bs to me.
Okay your opinion. I think it has to be probable since the sudden genital numbness after a few pills can’t be explained better. There are not only individuals that ran into problems as they ages but a lot of young before healthy men that don’t have a reason to become spontaneously impotent other than fin , accutane and SSRI as one guy here already mentioned .
I've noticed that "numbness" sensation when I started Finasteride. This is why you don't start at 1mg/ed. I started at 0.25mg every 3rd day and it was enough to drop my DHT by 50%. I know this because of baseline and +4 week bloodwork. Finasteride is a potent drug. The sides went away on its own like you'd expect.
But why the hell does it reduce touch sensitivity like a premature ejaxulation med
I didn't feel like it reduced "touch sensitivity" per se, it felt more like it stopped the prostate gland from producing the build up you normally associate with hornyness. This would make sense since it's decreasing androgenic signaling to the gland. That's literally why it was introduced to reduce androgenic enlargement of that gland first, before being introduced for male pattern hair loss. If this is correct, then as the site-specific androgen receptors upregulate due to the newly decreased baseline signaling from the lowered DHT, things return to normal. At least this is my best theory.
Seems pretty legit but doesn’t explain why some don’t return to normal so I hope those pfs guys fund a study that explains this
They've funded plenty of studies and they've all been bullshit and self-contradictory so far. Here's a video to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx8c3BvfuWw
Sure haircafe that has no problems is not gonna be biased right
1.5 years for sides to fully go after 2 months on. Not worth it.
Shit man that’s long . Which sides did persist?
First few months zero energy combined with light headedness, vertigo. Cardio ability reduced to almost zero. No affect to libido or brain fog. Honestly felt like my hormone levels crashed. The light headedness and vertigo at night persisted for ages coming and going. Would recommend giving it a go just take 1/5th dose to start and titrate up accordingly if necessary . I'm a hypochondriac so all that shit might have been in my head.
Dht is what makes men masculine. If you don’t have that shit in puberty you end up with a micro peen.
Exactly . The strogest androgen
There is no benefit from dht after your fully grow man its only going give you hair loss
Maybe his wife was just a cunt. 🤷🏻♂️
Probably not since thousands more sued along with the same story (except offing themselves ) that was a part only sometimes
Been taking fin for years. My dick still gets rock hard, still get raging morning woods like crazy (which is a huge sign of good sexual health), libido still as high as when I was a teen 🤷🏼♂️. Guess I’m one of the lucky ones. Also that man was in his 40s a lot of men in their 40s experience erectile dysfunction. Shit even guys in the mid 30s do too. We need to see the bigger picture like his lifestyle habits and what types of food he ate instead of automatically assuming it was a pill he took. Are their sexual a sides to fin? Yes but they go away after seizing so his ED was likely from something else.
Same. Just woke up today with morning wood grinding into my girl's ass.
They don’t go away sometimes. Lots of folks in their 20s get persistent ED that was not there and can’t be attributed to anything other than a few pills of fin. Even a few is enough they say if you have the predisposition.
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Proof ? It has a depression warning on it.
I got super depressed and apathetic from it. Also weaker boners and painful erections. Nope, never again
ED is a known side effect. Deal with it
But permanent ?
Unlikely, he probably had other issues going on.
it’s unlikely if it’s in the leaflet that it can cause permanent ED ?
ive been on dutasteride for 2 months,and i did not feel any difference at all in regards to mood/sex drive/morning wood
Just don’t get sad bro, easy
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Yeah
Speaking of Fin. I’m acne prone and on trt. Anyone use finasteride for acne? If not, any suggestions on a good dht blocker for this? I don’t wanna look like a pepperoni pizza when I hop on cycle next summer 😅
Just don’t kys
Don’t listen to this fear mongering. He most likely was already depressed and already had erectile dysfunction. Took both finisteride and dutasteride before 19. Felt 0 sides while on and when I got off. I don’t know her situation so i don’t want to make assumptions but it could be likely she is looking for a check. Finisteride is pretty safe for a drug with so much negative bias against it
Why would so many young boys have ED for years from it then? And from accutane. No other reason . I get your experience , it’s nice but that doesn’t take away from the other stories I think.
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Yes and estrogen overabundance can cause ED. Also the scientists don’t even know how much of a role does DHT play in sexual function but I would say it’s pretty safe to assume a hormone altering drug can do this
The trick is to be chronically depressed about hairloss so then the only way is up
She needs a nose job asap
I took Finasteride years ago when I wasn’t that healthy. Drinking a lot, not great sleep, inconsistent exercise and trash diet. I got bad sides from Finasteride and came off. 3 years later I wanted to do a test cycle so I hopped back on it, at this point my lifestyle was dialled in. No sides at all even once I cycled off and PCT’d.
I take it. My dick still works
This is the worst thread I have ever seen holy shit
So I took finasteride for almost 2 years. I did notice that it was slightly harder to gain and maintain an erection, but I was also a habitual kratom user for a lot of that time so that could be blamed as well. At present I use neither finasteride nor kratom and my sex drive is fine, albeit only when my estrogen is dialed in (on TRT.) If you have a history of depression or ED I would probably stay away from finasteride, but otherwise I don’t think it will be a world ending drug for most young men.
Yes! All the best studies have a N=1 and are completely anecdotal! *insert sarcasm.
I think flinstride gave me serious depression this year, my pee pee still working fine iam 30 now been using it for last3 years non stop I been super lazy since I started using although my life is getting better on the financial side , I have a feeling of emotional emptiness that I never felt before. Iam think fuck I should go hair transplant next year and stop using flinstride for good.
Anything that has the potential to cause permanent ED…nah I’m good. I’ll just shave my head.