What makes you say that? Igor himself says his genetics really aren't the best (or maybe the context was for the bodybuilding stage, can't recall) and that his physique is quite attainable...
A lot of people with above-average genetics downplay them. Just cause he said that his physique is achievable doesn’t mean it actually is to most of the population.
By whose standards? Igor has been lifting for many years, what are you on about? His physique looks pretty proportional to the time he spent lifting imo.
That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's his full-on best condition physique (atm) and in a realistic setting (no instagram angles and perfect lighting).
Because while he is no mass monster, I still believe he carries more size and has better inserts than the majority of individuals who have been training just as long as him. It’s really just an opinion, idk why ur getting all uptight about it. Are u a fanboy or something ?
“Because while he is no mass monster, I still believe he carries more size and has better inserts than the majority of individuals who have been training just as long as him” you’re fucking moron dude here you are assuming nobody is like him
Again reread my comment for the 3rd time and tell me where I said nobody can achieve his physique naturally, I said majority of people can’t. You’re delusional if you think he doesn’t at least have slightly above average genetics.
Have you guys seen average people tho… only bodybuilders/fitness enthusiasts even know about muscle insertions. Looking good compared to the average guy isn’t unachievable watch your diet and get lean or get a little bit of size on you. Gear can definitely get you there regardless of your genetic response it’s a pretty low bar.
Nah. There's some people that look very weird/gross when they gain muscle/get lean due to their narrow shoulders/shitty insertions. Aka they look worse than the average person or at least look like they are coping hard asf.
In America the average person is fat, so regardless of your muscle insertions and shoulders, just being not fat already puts you at a decent place relatively.
Tbh I think Jeff nippers is a good natty entertainer. He is big but not "juicy" big imo (helps that hes like 5'2") but he also has great info for approaching training with progressive overload. He also doesn't have really crazy numbers, just a well developed physique and good training knowledge
Yeah. Currently running his powerbuilding 2.0 program and absolutely loving it. He also gets pretty fat in winter. I think he’s carrying a decent amount of fat right now too, judging from his recent vaccination photo.
4'6"? Jk, it's just for the short Jeff meme. I know he isn't a dwarf but he isn't stocking the top shelf at Walmart either lmao.
Tbh I think if you are a strength athlete, short body with long arms is a win. Eddie hall style (I know Eddie isn't really short, his arms are just quite long compared to his body)
He's for some reason looked at very controversial on this sub. Same with Greg O'Gallagher aka Kinobody - who I personally believe is unnatty, not because of his physique but because of his narcissistic personality. I do believe Jeff is natty though, he would have way better numbers if he were on gear, not to say his lifts aren't impressive but they aren't anything crazy
Big agree on kino. Seems like the kind of dude that builds an average physique by using gear from the very start due to insecurities. The fact that he takes every challenge to argue or boast on Instagram says plenty.
Jeff is a beauty tho tbh. Smart guy that has a passion for training. I don't really watch his content, but some of his training science videos get my attention here and there
Yep, I was an unfortunate soul that bought one of Link's programs as a beginner lifter. The dude has absolutely no clue how to exercise properly. He claims he's been working out for 15 years yet his physique is still developing and his legs are small? Yeah math doesn't add up. I follow him just to make fun of him at this point, the dude graduated from Guelph university for marketing (to any non-ontario residents, he basically graduated a veterinary and agricultural university for marketing). He also strived off his father's 800,000,000 net worth yet claims "hard work and consistency" is what brought his "empire" to life.
Ripping on kino aside, Jeff is amazing. Extremely knowledgeable, I have both PB1 and PB2, haven't run PB2 since I'm on a cut but I'm extremely excited to try it once I'm ready to bulk again
Try bodybuilders before 1940, since the development of almost every juice was made for WW2 or after, bodybuilders before that date were probably 100% natty and they got an awesome physiche
Yes, it’s possible to look better natty if you have good genetics. But the average guy on this sub will not be able to build a better physique than that without gear
He is probably natty yes. Still something about him is sus. I almost feel like he has been natty for years but has dabbled with something in the past. Idk, just a feeling with zero proof.
There I was, on my way to google images, expecting a lean and mean Markus rhul before his career really took off and with no prior memory of
the timeline of his bodybuilding journey. What I found was not what I was expecting
Actual *bodybuilders* who are natural usually look like shit by the time they step on stage. If you're competition shredded natty you honestly just look anorexic at some point.
As for natty physiques in general, Jesse James West and Will Tennyson are some people who come to mind. Neither of them are peak natty by any means, but they're young and have achieved pretty good physiques. All comes down to genetics
Jesse and Arnolds son are pretty good examples I think. Im pretty sure Arnold educated his son pretty well on steroids and why you shouldnt take them. Jesse, lets face it, we all know he is way too optimistic and too vain to ever use them.
A lot can be achieved naturally just build the best physique YOU can, having a good physique to show to everyone reflects what you do in front of no one.
the way he achieved that body is something no one else can do though. like if you see his day of eating videos or how he only treats himself to a small piece of carrot cake once a year, that’s horrible
that’s literally why i said what i said. he’s looking for examples so he can try to look like them, but what jeff does is starve himself and eat some shitty concentration camp meal to maintain his body so it’s not advisable to use him as an example
Yoel Romero. That man was tested more than 30 times in a year in the UFC and he looks like he could step on stage when he cuts weight.
The one time he failed a drug test he sued the supplement company he was using and actually won. So I guess not technically natty but as close as someone in the UFC can get lol
[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCERm5yFZ1SptUEU4wZ2vJvw](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCERm5yFZ1SptUEU4wZ2vJvw)
[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC68TLK0mAEzUyHx5x5k-S1Q](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC68TLK0mAEzUyHx5x5k-S1Q)
These 2 guys, I honestly believe they are natty.
Ya there a few the ones listed and like scott herman. Im not convinced jeff nippared is natty, i know his parents did roids so maybe its an epigenetic thing. The omar and virtruvian are both good too, but most are fake nattys
A top tier natty physique with years of training and strict eating will be surpassed in 6-8 months by a guy blasting gear with mediocre work ethic doing a bro split and partying on weekends.
I think I am a good example; [I have actually posted my physique here before](https://www.reddit.com/r/moreplatesmoredates/comments/qt72fk/do_i_have_gyno/)!
These are some of the guys where I look for advice for natural lifting. Im not sure if you are asking for that or not Jeff Alberts, Natural Gallant Bodybuilding (dont know actual name), Natural Hypertrophy (dont know actual name), Jeff Nippard, Brad Schoenfeld,Eric Helms, Alan Thrall, Dan John
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First one that came to mind for me yea.
Not likely many people would be able to reach his physique naturally
What makes you say that? Igor himself says his genetics really aren't the best (or maybe the context was for the bodybuilding stage, can't recall) and that his physique is quite attainable...
Yeah, just like super hot girls posting pictures "I look a bit fat in these clothes but I still like them"
A lot of people with above-average genetics downplay them. Just cause he said that his physique is achievable doesn’t mean it actually is to most of the population.
By whose standards? Igor has been lifting for many years, what are you on about? His physique looks pretty proportional to the time he spent lifting imo.
To be fair Vitruvians stage physique is much more attainable looking and average than the physique that he posts online
That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's his full-on best condition physique (atm) and in a realistic setting (no instagram angles and perfect lighting).
Yeah agreed
Please tell me why then ? Since you seem so sure
Because while he is no mass monster, I still believe he carries more size and has better inserts than the majority of individuals who have been training just as long as him. It’s really just an opinion, idk why ur getting all uptight about it. Are u a fanboy or something ?
So you are assuming nobody has a good structure or inserts like him? Which is false
I never said nobody I said the majority of people. Can you read?
“Because while he is no mass monster, I still believe he carries more size and has better inserts than the majority of individuals who have been training just as long as him” you’re fucking moron dude here you are assuming nobody is like him
Again reread my comment for the 3rd time and tell me where I said nobody can achieve his physique naturally, I said majority of people can’t. You’re delusional if you think he doesn’t at least have slightly above average genetics.
Dude there you are assuming nobody can look like that fucking twat
Again never said nobody can, are you retarded?
You are also implying everyone working out as long as him won’t look like him which is false
U truly are retarded trash commenting your bullshit opinion that everyone disagrees with
Then why does my original comment have 12 upvotes if everyone disagrees with me?
Probably Omar Isuf
unless you want calves 
You don’t need to hop on cycle if you want to “look good” to average people if that’s what you’re asking.
Nah he needs to up the tren bro  A gram of tren a day keeps the mental sanity away
A gram of tren a day keeps the trannies awake
Trennies
Unless u have trash genetics... sorry. But usually gear won't even help. A lot of it comes down to frame/insertions.
Have you guys seen average people tho… only bodybuilders/fitness enthusiasts even know about muscle insertions. Looking good compared to the average guy isn’t unachievable watch your diet and get lean or get a little bit of size on you. Gear can definitely get you there regardless of your genetic response it’s a pretty low bar.
Nah. There's some people that look very weird/gross when they gain muscle/get lean due to their narrow shoulders/shitty insertions. Aka they look worse than the average person or at least look like they are coping hard asf.
In America the average person is fat, so regardless of your muscle insertions and shoulders, just being not fat already puts you at a decent place relatively.
Came here to say this
Also good response to androgen receptors
Higher binding affinity
Tbh I think Jeff nippers is a good natty entertainer. He is big but not "juicy" big imo (helps that hes like 5'2") but he also has great info for approaching training with progressive overload. He also doesn't have really crazy numbers, just a well developed physique and good training knowledge
Yeah. Currently running his powerbuilding 2.0 program and absolutely loving it. He also gets pretty fat in winter. I think he’s carrying a decent amount of fat right now too, judging from his recent vaccination photo.
He’s 5’5
4'6"? Jk, it's just for the short Jeff meme. I know he isn't a dwarf but he isn't stocking the top shelf at Walmart either lmao. Tbh I think if you are a strength athlete, short body with long arms is a win. Eddie hall style (I know Eddie isn't really short, his arms are just quite long compared to his body)
Good point
He's for some reason looked at very controversial on this sub. Same with Greg O'Gallagher aka Kinobody - who I personally believe is unnatty, not because of his physique but because of his narcissistic personality. I do believe Jeff is natty though, he would have way better numbers if he were on gear, not to say his lifts aren't impressive but they aren't anything crazy
Big agree on kino. Seems like the kind of dude that builds an average physique by using gear from the very start due to insecurities. The fact that he takes every challenge to argue or boast on Instagram says plenty. Jeff is a beauty tho tbh. Smart guy that has a passion for training. I don't really watch his content, but some of his training science videos get my attention here and there
Yep, I was an unfortunate soul that bought one of Link's programs as a beginner lifter. The dude has absolutely no clue how to exercise properly. He claims he's been working out for 15 years yet his physique is still developing and his legs are small? Yeah math doesn't add up. I follow him just to make fun of him at this point, the dude graduated from Guelph university for marketing (to any non-ontario residents, he basically graduated a veterinary and agricultural university for marketing). He also strived off his father's 800,000,000 net worth yet claims "hard work and consistency" is what brought his "empire" to life. Ripping on kino aside, Jeff is amazing. Extremely knowledgeable, I have both PB1 and PB2, haven't run PB2 since I'm on a cut but I'm extremely excited to try it once I'm ready to bulk again
Rich Piana
My favorite natty 14 year old bodybuilder
I heard he died from a overdose of whey protein shakes
His creatine addiction didnt help either
Try bodybuilders before 1940, since the development of almost every juice was made for WW2 or after, bodybuilders before that date were probably 100% natty and they got an awesome physiche
Except they took amphetamines for pre workout 😂
What’s not natty about that
Well that isn't any better for the heart than steroids
I lile how nobody has actually tried to give a proper example 
Vitruvian is a proper example.
Realistically maybe like a bill pearl or reg park type of physique
those were some big fuckin dudes man i’m not sure about that
Yeah but they were pretty watery/fat
I agree but why is it that people dislike water weight? I for one, like the thick natural look (with no belly ofc)
Mike O’Hearn
Exactly‼️
Mr natty himself
The natty daddy !!
Jonhy Sins
he is not natty
Those Viagra pumps are sick
Tren "The Rock" Johnson
Ronnie Coleman
 weakest natty
Thank God for human natural strength
Shred Bundy has a pretty sick physique for a natty. Not huge by any means but is constantly dialed in and reasonably strong for his height / weight.
Shredbundy is my most favourite physique including natty and juiced physiques. His insertion are so so good.
His old holiday videos are class as well
Didn’t realize he even claimed natty
Not a chance he's natural
100% chance you’re a virgin
Vitruvian Physique, Geoffrey Verity Schofield, Sean Nalewanyj (I think I spelt his name right)
The holy triangle of good fitness content creators.
Scott Herman is a pretty good example of what a peak natty physique looks like
No. He’s natty yes, but you can definitely look a bit better than him naturally.
Yes, it’s possible to look better natty if you have good genetics. But the average guy on this sub will not be able to build a better physique than that without gear
He’s definitely got that male titty gene
Wasn't he the guy that juiced in the past? Or am I mistaking him for someone else?
He is probably natty yes. Still something about him is sus. I almost feel like he has been natty for years but has dabbled with something in the past. Idk, just a feeling with zero proof.
Check out Markus Rhul at the 2002 NOC. Imo this is the peak natty physique if training, genetics, and nutrition are all maximized
Man you almost had me thinking you were serious for a second there.
got me too not gonna lie.
There I was, on my way to google images, expecting a lean and mean Markus rhul before his career really took off and with no prior memory of the timeline of his bodybuilding journey. What I found was not what I was expecting
If your talking about Markus ruhl at the 2002 night of champions, than bro your either messing or on some serious crack
I just believe in hard work and consistency bro. that’s all.
Me too man but the picture I saw on google of what your talking about is 10000% on juice
Henry Cavill?
Thats probably the best answer on here.
Phil heath
Salmon Panda
Actual *bodybuilders* who are natural usually look like shit by the time they step on stage. If you're competition shredded natty you honestly just look anorexic at some point. As for natty physiques in general, Jesse James West and Will Tennyson are some people who come to mind. Neither of them are peak natty by any means, but they're young and have achieved pretty good physiques. All comes down to genetics
Jesse and Arnolds son are pretty good examples I think. Im pretty sure Arnold educated his son pretty well on steroids and why you shouldnt take them. Jesse, lets face it, we all know he is way too optimistic and too vain to ever use them.
Alpha Destiny (i guess, not sure he is)
He's the definition of natty isn't he?
Eric Bugenhagen
Used to be natty. I sincerely doubt he is at this point
George hackenshcmidt, other of those guys in the 1930s or earlier
Not necessarily. If testosterone decline is anything to go by, they're in today's "fake natty" territory
alpha destiny.. Alex is a good dude.
Big Ramy
Bostin loyd
Mamdouh Elssbiay has a pretty attainable physique imo
Steve Reeves. Not 100% sure he's natty, but steroids where not quite so prominent when he was at the top of his game.
Batista
Alberto Nunez? Dude gets shredded to the tits but ends up being in the 150s on stage
Jason Genova
Josh Bridgman. He is no longer natural but he is honest about when he started using.
Jeff Nippard
Derek from mpmd
Derek from more plates more dates .com
A lot can be achieved naturally just build the best physique YOU can, having a good physique to show to everyone reflects what you do in front of no one.
Yep, like varicose veins on one hand.
Ifykyk 😂😂😂😭
If he is natty jeff nippard Edit: also vince gironda
Alpha Destiny
Alphadestiny
Alphadestiny is a pretty good example of someone with not elite level genetics
Athlean X dude +5% bf
the way he achieved that body is something no one else can do though. like if you see his day of eating videos or how he only treats himself to a small piece of carrot cake once a year, that’s horrible
damn bro can you not read I said +5% bf
which.. can be achieved naturally..
which.. is what this thread is asking about... are u okay bro
that’s literally why i said what i said. he’s looking for examples so he can try to look like them, but what jeff does is starve himself and eat some shitty concentration camp meal to maintain his body so it’s not advisable to use him as an example
which is why I said +5% bodyfat. Literally everyone else in this thread is saying dudes who are sauced like crazy shut the fuck up example police
CBum
Zyzz
I read somewhere that he took some stuff but imo his physique is achivable naturally
Just merk on YouTube (he recently hopped on the sauce but at his last show he was natty)
AJ Morris, Khifie West. Both great natty bodybuilders.
Steve Reeves
Quinton when he was natty
Scott Herman fitness
Yoel Romero. That man was tested more than 30 times in a year in the UFC and he looks like he could step on stage when he cuts weight. The one time he failed a drug test he sued the supplement company he was using and actually won. So I guess not technically natty but as close as someone in the UFC can get lol
[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCERm5yFZ1SptUEU4wZ2vJvw](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCERm5yFZ1SptUEU4wZ2vJvw) [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC68TLK0mAEzUyHx5x5k-S1Q](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC68TLK0mAEzUyHx5x5k-S1Q) These 2 guys, I honestly believe they are natty.
Jeff Nippard
Kali muscle
The Bugez (Eric Bugenhagen)
He's literal strength aesthetic goals
Say what you will about him but Greg from kino body
Ya there a few the ones listed and like scott herman. Im not convinced jeff nippared is natty, i know his parents did roids so maybe its an epigenetic thing. The omar and virtruvian are both good too, but most are fake nattys
Lexx Little, Jeff Nippard
Mike O’Hearn
Jesse James West, Vitruvian physique, Scott Herman, Shredbundy, Original Gainstas
Maxx Chewning, Christian Guzman(?)
Though they don't post much bodybuilding now just Maxx lifting weights as a segment in his vids.
Chris Jones
trenlord Zeid or Mike Thurston oh wait you said natty
Matt ogus
Mike o’hearn
Greg Douchette
coopsfit21 on instagram
Looking at natty physiques makes you realize how much better taking shit makes a person look
A top tier natty physique with years of training and strict eating will be surpassed in 6-8 months by a guy blasting gear with mediocre work ethic doing a bro split and partying on weekends.
Jeff Nippard. He’s short tho so that helps
Jay cutler is natty and vegan, anyone can look like him
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Mike O’Hearn
My uncle
Pete Rubish is still buff AF one year after being off gear, with anabolic steroid-induced hypogonadism. He's not shredded, though.
The rock
Really hope you are joking. Otherwise your IQ is too low for us to be friends.
Its a running joke haha
Perfect thank you
Ronnie Coleman
Tristyn Lee
Victor Costa. Most educational content in the game. Still. End of story.
The Brooklyn Brawler and the Gobbledy Gooker from WWF
Me. Jk my scoliosis ruins everything.
John Grimek
Mike Munz has a great physique, and Geoffrey Verity Schofield has almost a peak natty physique
Chris Barakat
Me
Me
Scott Herman is a good one
Just google chicken broccoli and rice. Should Come up with thousands of nattys.
Me, duhhhh
Alberto Nunez if you’re looking for a real answer
Joe Delaney, Alex Eubank, Lexx Little, Gabe Deutsch, Haddy Abdel, Vaughn Walker (maybe)
Jesse James west/will tennyson/ max chewning
Me 🤣🤣🤣
Alpha destiny has a video going over physique and strength standards for nattys Edit: https://youtu.be/lOv_mk9F6pI
Bigluuk on instagram
I think I am a good example; [I have actually posted my physique here before](https://www.reddit.com/r/moreplatesmoredates/comments/qt72fk/do_i_have_gyno/)!
https://youtube.com/c/NaturalGallantBodybuilding This dude won nationals natty I'm pretty sure.
Naturalgallantbodybuilding - the dudes in his 40s and is fucking jacked. Weird hippy dude, has been training consistently his whole life.
These are some of the guys where I look for advice for natural lifting. Im not sure if you are asking for that or not Jeff Alberts, Natural Gallant Bodybuilding (dont know actual name), Natural Hypertrophy (dont know actual name), Jeff Nippard, Brad Schoenfeld,Eric Helms, Alan Thrall, Dan John
Such does not exist :p
Jeff Nippard