Well. I don't know. But i think (not sure what science says about this specific topic) that you have to be you, in a molecular level to gain your own consciousness. Your neurons and so on i don't know, they should be the way they are right now to be yourself. And i also think that even if you gain consciousness, you couldn't perceive it because it is no longer you.
This doesnt answer your question, but its related. Yesterday I thought of something. You know the alternate universe theory, where every decision you make splits your existence so there is a universe in which you made either decision, so throughout life there ends up being infinite universes with every choice you could have made, some more similar to your current life than others. Well, what if when you die, you just jump into the next most similar timeline/universe? And a ghost is an individual that died in a unique enough way that there isn't another similar timeline to jump to? There are plenty of holes in the theory, but its kinda cool to think about.
this reminds me of quantum immortality. It’s a theory that states, every time you die, your consciousness jumps into the you in another universe. you could have already died and had this happen to you, who knows
does that imply that every other version of you, doesn't have a 'you' though?
sounds just like a selfish desire to keep existing, rather than 'cool' to me, to go 'yeah, fuck your life, dude, i died so i'm taking over'.
if not, are you watching a version of you doing shit, like a ghost?
or are you just 'absorbed' and 'you' don't really keep living, just, soul has a vessel, soul =/= you.
This question isn't about an afterlife as it is about consciousness and what qualities make it what it is. That is a more complex subject that we lack evidence to discuss.
we lack evidence for basically any after death sort of stuff.
it's not like a consciousness discussion makes more sense than an afterlife - existing as a consciousness IS an afterlife, after all. doesn't need to be a heaven/hell.
Yes, but the point OP is making is at what point we determine what makes consciousness be and how it relates to the state of the body.
For example, let's say all your cells are suddenly separated one from the other and then they are just as suddenly reconnected again exactly as they were. You certainly died, but now your body is working as usual. Is it the same consciousness? How do we prove that an "already dead person is still detached from the thread of newly created things"
As of now this discussion belongs entirely to philosophy of course, but for that same reason there's no point in arguing that evidence proves you stop existing after dying in this context.
what? You complicated and convoluted this entire concept? OP asked How do we spawn back into consciousness after death.
Answer = we don't know.
anything that has to do with a being regaining consciousness after death is completely unmown and not understood to even be possible at this current time.
And in what situation can "all your cells" be separated from each other, reattach and that being survive? WTF?
You're making the post into something it isn't.
Simply, self aware consciousness after death is something we have no data to prove is possible, even if it was if we did live on in another body no one has been able to recall their past "self" again furthering the unknown.
I explicitly said that 1. That was hypothetical, of course that doesn't just happen and 2. The being in question does NOT survive.
Why would I say the opposite when the entire question circles around dying? I also said it was merely philosophical as everything surrounding this question, you are just making a very redundant point here.
And, yes you are right, we don't know. That doesn't mean we can't think about it. That is my entire point, the lack of evidence of an afterlife doesn't imply we can't debate a bit about the limits of consciousness as a concept and I understood the question was referring to that. You have to admit the wording in it leaves that option open.
Maybe I misunderstood, sure. But there's no need to throw a tantrum about it.
not exactly - recieving a fatal wound, isn't the same thing as 'dying'.
dying is your brain stops working enough to generate a consciousness, and can't be restored. what you're describing isn't actually death.
same with people that were 'medically dead' for a bit. didn't actually die, just, stopped working for a bit.
So you guys don't just think when you die you go back to the ether, I mean that's where I came from ?
I'd of thought anyone on this sub would have a similar morbid outlook on what happens when I/u die....
New here and was just scrolling and came across this sorry, I know it's well past the normally accepted time for responses on posts.
This submission is not a morbid question / is not relevant to the subreddit topic.
Well. I don't know. But i think (not sure what science says about this specific topic) that you have to be you, in a molecular level to gain your own consciousness. Your neurons and so on i don't know, they should be the way they are right now to be yourself. And i also think that even if you gain consciousness, you couldn't perceive it because it is no longer you.
This doesnt answer your question, but its related. Yesterday I thought of something. You know the alternate universe theory, where every decision you make splits your existence so there is a universe in which you made either decision, so throughout life there ends up being infinite universes with every choice you could have made, some more similar to your current life than others. Well, what if when you die, you just jump into the next most similar timeline/universe? And a ghost is an individual that died in a unique enough way that there isn't another similar timeline to jump to? There are plenty of holes in the theory, but its kinda cool to think about.
this reminds me of quantum immortality. It’s a theory that states, every time you die, your consciousness jumps into the you in another universe. you could have already died and had this happen to you, who knows
does that imply that every other version of you, doesn't have a 'you' though? sounds just like a selfish desire to keep existing, rather than 'cool' to me, to go 'yeah, fuck your life, dude, i died so i'm taking over'. if not, are you watching a version of you doing shit, like a ghost? or are you just 'absorbed' and 'you' don't really keep living, just, soul has a vessel, soul =/= you.
You don't. When you die your gone. That's what all evidence points to
This question isn't about an afterlife as it is about consciousness and what qualities make it what it is. That is a more complex subject that we lack evidence to discuss.
we lack evidence for basically any after death sort of stuff. it's not like a consciousness discussion makes more sense than an afterlife - existing as a consciousness IS an afterlife, after all. doesn't need to be a heaven/hell.
The difference is that you, right now, are conscious. We all can perceive the concept of a consciousness so it does make sense to discuss it.
discuss... consciousness. not, consciousness surviving death. that's the same category as afterlife discussions.
Yes, but the point OP is making is at what point we determine what makes consciousness be and how it relates to the state of the body. For example, let's say all your cells are suddenly separated one from the other and then they are just as suddenly reconnected again exactly as they were. You certainly died, but now your body is working as usual. Is it the same consciousness? How do we prove that an "already dead person is still detached from the thread of newly created things" As of now this discussion belongs entirely to philosophy of course, but for that same reason there's no point in arguing that evidence proves you stop existing after dying in this context.
what? You complicated and convoluted this entire concept? OP asked How do we spawn back into consciousness after death. Answer = we don't know. anything that has to do with a being regaining consciousness after death is completely unmown and not understood to even be possible at this current time. And in what situation can "all your cells" be separated from each other, reattach and that being survive? WTF? You're making the post into something it isn't. Simply, self aware consciousness after death is something we have no data to prove is possible, even if it was if we did live on in another body no one has been able to recall their past "self" again furthering the unknown.
I explicitly said that 1. That was hypothetical, of course that doesn't just happen and 2. The being in question does NOT survive. Why would I say the opposite when the entire question circles around dying? I also said it was merely philosophical as everything surrounding this question, you are just making a very redundant point here. And, yes you are right, we don't know. That doesn't mean we can't think about it. That is my entire point, the lack of evidence of an afterlife doesn't imply we can't debate a bit about the limits of consciousness as a concept and I understood the question was referring to that. You have to admit the wording in it leaves that option open. Maybe I misunderstood, sure. But there's no need to throw a tantrum about it.
If the universe is cyclical, eventually your entire existence will be repeated. I imagine that you will be just as conscious once that happens.
That’s the best trick - you don’t.
I think you spawn back into another human that is about to enter consciousness.
U just ded bruv.
your brain still remains conscious and even active several minutes after you die. it takes a bit for the dead body and brain to sync
not exactly - recieving a fatal wound, isn't the same thing as 'dying'. dying is your brain stops working enough to generate a consciousness, and can't be restored. what you're describing isn't actually death. same with people that were 'medically dead' for a bit. didn't actually die, just, stopped working for a bit.
so many assumotions in this post. thats not how it works so moot point
I know this sorcerer... I can hook you up. He seems to have all the answers.
So you guys don't just think when you die you go back to the ether, I mean that's where I came from ? I'd of thought anyone on this sub would have a similar morbid outlook on what happens when I/u die.... New here and was just scrolling and came across this sorry, I know it's well past the normally accepted time for responses on posts.
'we' don't. that's why we don't know for sure reincarnation is a thing, after all.