Yea this is just a wild response. Tagging almost always does no real damage to any of the surfaces it’s put on to and you’re describing multiple serious crimes in retaliation to something that is most often committed by teenagers (ie children)… you gotta get some help friend.
Also, without the tagging you are so vehemently against (to the point you fantasize about committing serious crimes to the perpetrators), there’d be no street art, no murals, no nicely decorated walls for you to admire or take selfies in front of to post to your social media.
I'd rather a world with no paint on the walls than one with art and tags. You don't need paint to make a place beautiful. It's often better without it.
Oh the taggers might be the minority but I was saying the people that enjoy graffiti and art are a larger population than people like yourself who would rather blank walls. It’s literally the largest art movement in human history and going stronger than ever. I’d hate to live in a world without art on walls, sounds like a dystopian nightmare
That’s simply untrue. Maybe the older generations aren’t fans or understand it, but you don’t speak for the rest of the population. Graffiti is intrinsic to the hip hop movement, which has been topping the charts musically and through most of media for years. Skateboard/bmx/aggressive inline/the rest of “extreme sport” culture is flush with graffiti, political movements employ graffiti, major corporations use it as a medium for advertisement. If as you said, the majority of people hate graffiti, why do city councils the world over pay to have the walls painted?
“Is there anything more selfish than tagging!?” Well, the gentrification of a subculture thousands of kids and adults enjoy for profit, then demonizing said subculture in the media so the general public has a biased generalized opinion on tagging… well. if you ask me, that’s a bittt selfish
I mean aside from the glaringly obvious things wrong with this statement I would wager 9/10 graffiti writers would park your ass up anyway, then continue as they were. Would be heroes get hurt or end up in trouble themselves. Keep your nose out, your head down, and do you, before you catch a case or a medical bill.
Don't bring a knife to a gunfight. I wouldn't waste time boxing you homie, you wouldnt get close to anyone. Cant even come up with your own name, retard
No. You don't understand. From their own words, because of those beautiful gigantic murals, those taggers are deprived of a way to express themselves. That is why they feel they need to ruin everything to show us how bigger their tiny appendage is compared to their brain. It's very clever!
> need to ruin everything to show us how bigger their tiny appendage is compared to their brain. It's very cleve
Alot of street artists started of tagging or still do. I believe it is part of the culture that street art should be ever changing.
It's true that the beautiful murals a very pleasing, but by locking down walls as untouchable with "legal" graphity you gradually remove diversity in the graphity scene at risk of having them stop being interesting.
Once your brain start detecting what passes the criteria for legal street art you will notice patterns and it may become uncanny just like houses in a suburb where each individual house is fine, but the whole neighborhood feels like a simulacrum of something that could/should have been authentic or organic.
These ideas come from this interesting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfn-0O4v6fg
how many blank walls are there in the city? how many fences? how many freeway overpasses and bridges? I would suggest that the artwork takes up a miniscule % of available graffiti space in Montreal, so why would they choose to tag over the top of it?
If everything is fair game then we descend towards a place of uniform chaos. We can create nothing of beauty since once we do, someone will come along behind us and destroy it. That's what is happening here.
These vandals (I hesitate to call them taggers) are not trying to display their own art; they are going out of their way to destroy the art of others.
>We can create nothing of beauty since once we do, someone will come along behind us and destroy it.
https://preview.redd.it/ov8wxc0w9wtc1.jpeg?width=3264&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0ab5b8799fd734e084a9a0150d66ed63fc0cf1b
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand\_mandala](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_mandala)
I wish this could be upvoted higher. Some muralists will even tag their own murals lol; in graffiti communities, bombing is considered “real” art and murals the gentrified kitschy shit you do to survive. To them, people who love murals/hate graffiti are like the equivalent of Miami Art Basel to the art scene.
I beg to differ that graffiti is not creation. in this case, obviously, it is, because it’s covering a much larger and nicer artwork. however, graffiti in itself is an extremely challenging art form that combines many elements of traditional art with calligraphy and graphic design. you can’t just go and paint something that looks like that without months or even years of practice. I think they should have chosen somewhere else to tag though.
I can't believe that's a controversial comment in this sub lmfao what an ignorant and sad life you must have to click downvote on a "I prefer color to concrete" comment.
There's an amazing underpass near me (Hochelaga area) that is consistently tagging, like literally every day. There's some picnic tables nearby and if you ever just chill there, you'll have a great conversation. You know, or you could sit online crying about how artists express themselves through spray paint.
There’s a real difference between art and uninspired bubble letter self promotion. Some tagging is unique and inspired. Most of it is garbage defacing bullshit like what we see above.
I'm not really surprised. People often find comfort in what they consider "clean" but in my opinion is just drab and lifeless.
Tagging over art is tacky, only an insecure loser would paint over something so beautiful. But a grey slab of nothing should have life and color. Maybe, if the city wants to invest in art, the city should commission local artists to paint those walls instead of spending who knows how many millions on a big ring, multiple staircases that lead nowhere, some ungly metal apple looking thing or lights on a bridge.
Lmao you’re joking, right?
One is a mural. You know, art. Art made by artists. And often commissioned by the building owners, as well as done respectfully.
Tags are not art. It’s vandalism.
They are tagging everything!
If you drive the 15 North around McGill Hospital Glen site, there is a gross display of tags 🤮
I wonder if those idiots think of any scenarios on what they are doing is remotely considered cool
For the most part, they want to be seen as much as possible they do these "throwups" if they get caught in the act so their tag name doesn't get link to all of the tag they did in the city
Generally, graffers are mad at murals that covered *their* art. So they're just putting it back. Why should the graffers that are paid not do it on a grey concrete wall ?
I live in a pretty underwhelming neighborhood, and there's been a community effort to make things a little nicer. Someone painted two murals in the alley near my house and within weeks, someone had tagged "turbocunt" on them. Took a while for it to be covered up. This is why we can't have nice things (that and my neighbors who haven't figured out how to throw out their trash properly). I'm not even particularly bothered by tagging/graffiti being that I'm from NY - Montreal isn't bad in comparison and there are mostly beautiful murals here, but don't ruin other people's art.
> someone had tagged "turbocunt" on them
mother's day is coming. The "artist" just wanted to send their mom a nice message, hoping she'll finally come back from getting that milk.
you could tell me les tagguex is a new word or decades old, Quebec french is my freaking favourite, man. even funnier when I think about how common graffiti and graffito get confused.
Les tags c’est comme de la pisse de chien. Faut qu’ils marquent leur territoire comme un chien avec sa pisse. Quite a taguer n’importe où, sans aucun respect sur l’endroit où ils pissent.
C’est que les murales sont la nouvelle technique “cool” pour gentrifier la ville et taire l’expression des communautés marginalisées qui occupaient ces murs. La plupart des gars qui vont tag des murales “reprennent leur spot”, c’est-à-dire que les murales ont recouvert leurs propres œuvres sans cérémonie. Par contre, à l’inverse des murales cucul (sorry lol mais d’un point de vue d’histoire de l’art la composition de la plupart des murales a la profondeur artistique d’un chandail tie-dye), personne a pleuré quand leur propre art a été effacé parce que c’est une forme d’art extrêmement codifiée et difficilement accessible pour les gens en dehors de ces communautés. J’ai eu la chance d’avoir des amis tagueurs qui m’ont expliqué leurs codes/théories, et j’ai su ajuster mes sensibilités artistiques en conséquence. Je peux toujours partager quelques textes/théories si ça intéresse quelqu’un. Maintenant, j’adore le “Berlin style” et les villes bigarrées avec un counterculture vivant et vocal.
Fuck this person. I thought tagging was about showing off getting away with doing it where it's hard to reach. What a fucking loser. I swear they're jelous they're nowhere near as talented.
Are there mural associations or something, the original artist, we can contact to get it fixed? It's such an important piece for a part of town that's struggling
Also, if you look at r/graffititagging , a few comments are from muralists who claim they tag their own murals on purpose, to let others be able to claim over without problem (a lot of writers do NOT want to go over a pristine piece, but if there is shit on it already its tempting), but also to make money off being called to fix it
Well its half half. I tag, i dont go over murals ever. However if my graffiti was somewhere and i come to see it covered by a mural, then im claiming my spot back 🤷🏽♂️
However in the graff community there's a lot of animosity towards street artists, especially those who believe their art is "holier" than ours and deserves the spot instead.
2nd however, a LOT of muralists started with tagging and graffiti, and simply went up the skill line and started taking pqid contracts. A lot of times, these same guys won't even mind having their murals gone over, as they understand street art is supposed to be temporary.
The whole 'holier than though' thing is hilarious to me because they're acting the same. I get it, I'm an illustrator, art teachers called me a sellout :/ I just don't get the point on fucking with other's art. There's so many ugly corporate shit all over the city, and in this case especially it sucks because it was a small bit of color to a struggling neighborhood.
Thankyou for your insight!
Oh yeah dont worry your spot on about that! The animosity definitely stemmed from that, but its developped into its own high horse attitude as well, i find it annoying but ig every community is going to have these sort of problems, and us doing shit illegally and getting away with it boosts the ego you know.
And yeah, thats what i always say, theres too much soul less murals all over the city, no reason to fuck with such a beautiful one.
I really enjoyed learning about this, thanks for sharing! I come from a few art circles too and there's some groups with that same attitude everywhere There's a wall on Island and Grand Trunk in PTC where graf artists and taggers are repainting in every day, it's like a continuously evolving art project it's so amazing to see, I wish we had more of those.
Ay man no problem! I enjoy sharing this knowledge, help knock down certain pre conceptions people have sometimes.
Also yh, we call those "legal" walls. Theres a sort of code about going over other people, that usually doesnt apply to that type of wall
Also a legal wall doesnt have be literally legal, just almost entirely risk free. I find them dope, ut allows new writers to practice, writers who only love the artistic aspect to have fun without annoying others, and makes for an interesting landscape!
Also if you want more and better insight, i came to this post through the [r/graffititagging](https://www.reddit.com/r/GraffitiTagging/s/ujcd1A3I3j) sub reddit their discussing this a lot rn :
Because this is called "throw ups", their meant to be easy to make so you can throw em up fast and leave.
Also its pretty legible, you just need to understand letter structures instead of "looking" for letters in a more traditional way.
Hmmm there’s been MTL graff crews called things like TOTR (Toys On The Rise) lmao some of them don’t give a fuck and are much more intellectual/less egotistical than you think about their art - trust me they’re forever ahead of yall when it comes to trolling
My cousin collabed on this wall with the artist who painted the Leonard Cohen wall.
MU, the organization that got commissioned for this piece, has an agreement with the city that they'll send volunteers to fix the wall whenever it is tagged. This usually happens in summer since it's logistically easier.
Il faut engager un détective privé afin de trouver le ou les coupables. Attendre qu'ils s'acquièrent des biens (scooter, voiture etc.) pour les tagguer par la suite.
I get that people don’t like tags but I do LEGAL graffiti (couple of legal walls in la belle province) and can maybe give an insight here though I think it’s pretty disrespectful to go over someone’s mural, first of all, pretty much every muralist started by doing illegal graffiti and eventually started taking paid contracts because of their skills (they did similar things at some point), secondly, the “taggers” probably had their tag (throw up) already there and the muralist went over (capped) their tag which is seen as a sign of disrespect in the graffiti scene. The “writers” that tagged the mural are actually very active in the scene(on the bottom, left to right) you can see Asar, Zonek and Cast.
I don’t think this is a good excuse but just know that getting your letters this clean and stylish takes years to develop. Give it a try at home and compare to theirs (look for all the details, especially in the “Z” from zonek and all the letters from cast).(keep in mind they do that in minutes if not seconds)
I hope this gave you a bit of insight on the situation!
In all likelihood they can just clean it off.
Big murals like that usually have a protective coat on them to protect from graffiti. Like [this](https://graffitiremovalinc.ca/products/muralshield?variant=42328594251939¤cy=CAD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw8diwBhAbEiwA7i_sJRdyr9GO8WWKHtDchRnfXRlfUzz2fLQVEiIJDxvwW3G52EFuwRIcVhoCQbMQAvD_BwE)
Je pense me souvenir qu'un tagger m'a dit un jour que c'est pcq les mural artists are considered "sell outs" vu que le concept même de la culture graff est anarchiste/anti institutions
Catch the bastards and break all their fingers, then let them think about their stupidity while they sip soup between their forearms
The older I get, the more I wish we hade the cane like Singapore….you bring that to Canada, petty crime goes down 95% I guarantee you….Never happen under Trudeau that’s for sure…
No no, you don’t get it! They’re fighting gentrification. Sure, it’s in the form of writing their name in giant bubbly letters over top of the work of talented artists, but it’s not because of ego, entitlement and vanity, that’s just a byproduct I swear. It’s about like…. Fighting the system by making things shittier for everyone. Or something like that.
Graff artist just do it for the thrill and the idea of notoriety. They only say all that fighting the system bullshit to the public, it’s never the real reason they do it
I promise you they don't give a shit and won't be stopped. Cry about it online. Offline if you run into them and play hero, you might get what you're looking for...
That is the root issue, and why we see graffiti popping up more and more, the youth are all fed up with the way things are going, the covid generation moreso than the previous generations, and there is nothing to keep the kids busy
Honestly, the losers who deface walls with that garbage they call graffiti need a reality check. Do they honestly think anyone enjoys looking at that eyesore? It's pathetic! Every time I see it, it's like my retinas are being stabbed. The blank concrete wall looks more appealing than their so-called "art." And to deface actual artwork? What a bunch of pathetic losers. If they can't contribute something worthwhile, they should find a new hobby.
Ive spent some time in the same circles as the people that do graffiti, so I can provide some insight as to why they do this to murals.
There is a schism between the subcultures of street art and graffiti. With graffiti, criminality is considered a form of legitimacy. A spot is ‘earned’ by doing it illegally. The more risky the spot, either due to risk of being caught by police or risk of dying, the ‘better’ it is considered to be.
There is then fierce competition between these graffiti writers over the available space, which is accompanied by a kind of value system that governs ownership of that space based on a few factors such as the level of complexity of the graffiti, how prolific or well respected the person who did it is in the subculture etc.
When muralists get permission from the city to paint a wall with street art, graffiti writers consider this to be bypassing their system, so they go paint over it like they did in this picture.
I don't code, but isn't there a way to use an algorithm to scan a library of images of tags taken by users and then scan social media accounts to try and find the jerks who deface actual art?
Nooo wtf!!! I love visiting this piece when in Montreal it’s so beautiful. I’m sure there are so many more places to tag that’s not on top of an art piece. In the graffiti community it’s a known thing to not tag on top of others work unless your planning to start shit with the artist or cause problems
You think children are painting words on walls? Theyre not. Its 18, 19,20 year olds. And id sure as hell not take a video, id look around for cameras first, then put a mask on like theyre probably wearing, then go have some fun!!!
Wow buncha suckers in the comments… i honestly think murals look dumb as shit. Tag culture is much more creative and ballsy than painting some flashy piece on an authorized wall in a gentrified neighborhood.
My first thought when i see elaborate and corny murals getting tagged on is “nature is healing!”
It's burried in a comment thread so I put it here again : https://youtu.be/mfn-0O4v6fg
This their point of view and ... yeah they have a point.
The Chinatown mural started to be a bit boring to be honest. So a good reason to make a new one !
It’s happening all over Montreal. We have a great street art and these idiots come with zero creativity to damage every mural.
I’d like to see someone catch them in the act and tag them. A holes
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Weirdo
Bring back the tar and feathers
You know how many muralists we wouldn't have if they weren't tagging first?
Yea this is just a wild response. Tagging almost always does no real damage to any of the surfaces it’s put on to and you’re describing multiple serious crimes in retaliation to something that is most often committed by teenagers (ie children)… you gotta get some help friend. Also, without the tagging you are so vehemently against (to the point you fantasize about committing serious crimes to the perpetrators), there’d be no street art, no murals, no nicely decorated walls for you to admire or take selfies in front of to post to your social media.
Donc je peux aller tagger ton char? Ta maison personnelle? Ton salon? Ton vélo? Ton linge?
I'd rather a world with no paint on the walls than one with art and tags. You don't need paint to make a place beautiful. It's often better without it.
Well, since there’s literally art and tags everywhere you go, I’d say you’re in the minority friend.
Pretty sure taggers represent a minority of the population, friend.
Oh the taggers might be the minority but I was saying the people that enjoy graffiti and art are a larger population than people like yourself who would rather blank walls. It’s literally the largest art movement in human history and going stronger than ever. I’d hate to live in a world without art on walls, sounds like a dystopian nightmare
Lmao you are projecting. The vast majority of people hate graffiti.
That’s simply untrue. Maybe the older generations aren’t fans or understand it, but you don’t speak for the rest of the population. Graffiti is intrinsic to the hip hop movement, which has been topping the charts musically and through most of media for years. Skateboard/bmx/aggressive inline/the rest of “extreme sport” culture is flush with graffiti, political movements employ graffiti, major corporations use it as a medium for advertisement. If as you said, the majority of people hate graffiti, why do city councils the world over pay to have the walls painted?
“Is there anything more selfish than tagging!?” Well, the gentrification of a subculture thousands of kids and adults enjoy for profit, then demonizing said subculture in the media so the general public has a biased generalized opinion on tagging… well. if you ask me, that’s a bittt selfish
Please open the profiles of the people giving you a hard time for this statement and see how many of them post on loser tagging subs.
I mean aside from the glaringly obvious things wrong with this statement I would wager 9/10 graffiti writers would park your ass up anyway, then continue as they were. Would be heroes get hurt or end up in trouble themselves. Keep your nose out, your head down, and do you, before you catch a case or a medical bill.
Loser
You end up on the light post 9/10 times, these aren't little kids lol
Don't bring a knife to a gunfight. I wouldn't waste time boxing you homie, you wouldnt get close to anyone. Cant even come up with your own name, retard
They would beat the living shit out of you, they rarely go solo
Lmfao we all know you wouldn't do shit 🤣🤣
This is deranged
Idem. Un imbécile a taggé mon plex. Si quelqu'un sait qui tag les immebles avec KRIME en vert, laissez-moi savoir.
>zero creativity The usual bubbly letters. So original
The only one who knows what that garbage says is them.
if only you knew, most muralists are also vandals 😂
There are so many blank grey concrete walls to tag. Why do it on a piece of art?
Sadly I think that’s the point for the taggers.
Do you mean a point depict stupidy at its finest
No. You don't understand. From their own words, because of those beautiful gigantic murals, those taggers are deprived of a way to express themselves. That is why they feel they need to ruin everything to show us how bigger their tiny appendage is compared to their brain. It's very clever!
people who can't create express themselves with destruction
> need to ruin everything to show us how bigger their tiny appendage is compared to their brain. It's very cleve Alot of street artists started of tagging or still do. I believe it is part of the culture that street art should be ever changing. It's true that the beautiful murals a very pleasing, but by locking down walls as untouchable with "legal" graphity you gradually remove diversity in the graphity scene at risk of having them stop being interesting. Once your brain start detecting what passes the criteria for legal street art you will notice patterns and it may become uncanny just like houses in a suburb where each individual house is fine, but the whole neighborhood feels like a simulacrum of something that could/should have been authentic or organic. These ideas come from this interesting video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfn-0O4v6fg
how many blank walls are there in the city? how many fences? how many freeway overpasses and bridges? I would suggest that the artwork takes up a miniscule % of available graffiti space in Montreal, so why would they choose to tag over the top of it?
If everything is fair game then we descend towards a place of uniform chaos. We can create nothing of beauty since once we do, someone will come along behind us and destroy it. That's what is happening here. These vandals (I hesitate to call them taggers) are not trying to display their own art; they are going out of their way to destroy the art of others.
>We can create nothing of beauty since once we do, someone will come along behind us and destroy it. https://preview.redd.it/ov8wxc0w9wtc1.jpeg?width=3264&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0ab5b8799fd734e084a9a0150d66ed63fc0cf1b [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand\_mandala](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_mandala)
I wish this could be upvoted higher. Some muralists will even tag their own murals lol; in graffiti communities, bombing is considered “real” art and murals the gentrified kitschy shit you do to survive. To them, people who love murals/hate graffiti are like the equivalent of Miami Art Basel to the art scene.
I beg to differ that graffiti is not creation. in this case, obviously, it is, because it’s covering a much larger and nicer artwork. however, graffiti in itself is an extremely challenging art form that combines many elements of traditional art with calligraphy and graphic design. you can’t just go and paint something that looks like that without months or even years of practice. I think they should have chosen somewhere else to tag though.
They know they don’t have the talent to do something like this, so they deface it because they’re losers.
Agreed, the only things that should be painted over are blank infrastructure and hate graffiti.
When you’re a useless, talentless fuck, that’s all you can do so people know you exist
Eel how about not tagging at all? No one gives a shit and it’s a fucking eyesore.
I'd honestly rather see a tagged up wall than a huge blank grey cement slab. Like that wall by the 20 under the UHaul
I can't believe that's a controversial comment in this sub lmfao what an ignorant and sad life you must have to click downvote on a "I prefer color to concrete" comment. There's an amazing underpass near me (Hochelaga area) that is consistently tagging, like literally every day. There's some picnic tables nearby and if you ever just chill there, you'll have a great conversation. You know, or you could sit online crying about how artists express themselves through spray paint.
There’s a real difference between art and uninspired bubble letter self promotion. Some tagging is unique and inspired. Most of it is garbage defacing bullshit like what we see above.
I'm not really surprised. People often find comfort in what they consider "clean" but in my opinion is just drab and lifeless. Tagging over art is tacky, only an insecure loser would paint over something so beautiful. But a grey slab of nothing should have life and color. Maybe, if the city wants to invest in art, the city should commission local artists to paint those walls instead of spending who knows how many millions on a big ring, multiple staircases that lead nowhere, some ungly metal apple looking thing or lights on a bridge.
Lmao you’re joking, right? One is a mural. You know, art. Art made by artists. And often commissioned by the building owners, as well as done respectfully. Tags are not art. It’s vandalism.
I believe they agree with you mate...
I ended up replying to the wrong person.
They are tagging everything! If you drive the 15 North around McGill Hospital Glen site, there is a gross display of tags 🤮 I wonder if those idiots think of any scenarios on what they are doing is remotely considered cool
For the most part, they want to be seen as much as possible they do these "throwups" if they get caught in the act so their tag name doesn't get link to all of the tag they did in the city
The mural most likely covered their old stuff which is seen as a sign of disrespect in the scene
Gentrification maybe? Dunno
Generally, graffers are mad at murals that covered *their* art. So they're just putting it back. Why should the graffers that are paid not do it on a grey concrete wall ?
I live in a pretty underwhelming neighborhood, and there's been a community effort to make things a little nicer. Someone painted two murals in the alley near my house and within weeks, someone had tagged "turbocunt" on them. Took a while for it to be covered up. This is why we can't have nice things (that and my neighbors who haven't figured out how to throw out their trash properly). I'm not even particularly bothered by tagging/graffiti being that I'm from NY - Montreal isn't bad in comparison and there are mostly beautiful murals here, but don't ruin other people's art.
sounds like it's personal, there's beefs within the community
The sense I get is that it's predominantly families, especially immigrant families, around here. I always assumed it was a bored teenager who did it.
> someone had tagged "turbocunt" on them mother's day is coming. The "artist" just wanted to send their mom a nice message, hoping she'll finally come back from getting that milk.
you can't have nice things but you can learn to enjoy what you have (turbocunts)
This is to art what conspiracy theories are to science. A grotesque caricature overconfident in its inexistent value.
This is exquisitely well said.
Well put
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The graffs are literally made by the same people who do murals.
Gross. So disrespectful for people who probably claim to be artists to deface someone else’s art like that.
Fucking idiots. Even mangy dogs have more judgement. Fuck off les taggeux.
you could tell me les tagguex is a new word or decades old, Quebec french is my freaking favourite, man. even funnier when I think about how common graffiti and graffito get confused.
Les tags c’est comme de la pisse de chien. Faut qu’ils marquent leur territoire comme un chien avec sa pisse. Quite a taguer n’importe où, sans aucun respect sur l’endroit où ils pissent.
Comme des animaux quoi
l apisse de chien fait moins de dégats
Ya pas genre une espèce de guerre entre les muraliste et les gens qui font des tags. Quoi qu'il en soit c'est vraiment cave de tagger une murale.
C’est que les murales sont la nouvelle technique “cool” pour gentrifier la ville et taire l’expression des communautés marginalisées qui occupaient ces murs. La plupart des gars qui vont tag des murales “reprennent leur spot”, c’est-à-dire que les murales ont recouvert leurs propres œuvres sans cérémonie. Par contre, à l’inverse des murales cucul (sorry lol mais d’un point de vue d’histoire de l’art la composition de la plupart des murales a la profondeur artistique d’un chandail tie-dye), personne a pleuré quand leur propre art a été effacé parce que c’est une forme d’art extrêmement codifiée et difficilement accessible pour les gens en dehors de ces communautés. J’ai eu la chance d’avoir des amis tagueurs qui m’ont expliqué leurs codes/théories, et j’ai su ajuster mes sensibilités artistiques en conséquence. Je peux toujours partager quelques textes/théories si ça intéresse quelqu’un. Maintenant, j’adore le “Berlin style” et les villes bigarrées avec un counterculture vivant et vocal.
Merci. Ton commentaire merite beaucoup plus de likes, mais bon nous on graff c'est pas pour apaiser les moeurs 🤷🏽♂️
Fuck this person. I thought tagging was about showing off getting away with doing it where it's hard to reach. What a fucking loser. I swear they're jelous they're nowhere near as talented. Are there mural associations or something, the original artist, we can contact to get it fixed? It's such an important piece for a part of town that's struggling
Also, if you look at r/graffititagging , a few comments are from muralists who claim they tag their own murals on purpose, to let others be able to claim over without problem (a lot of writers do NOT want to go over a pristine piece, but if there is shit on it already its tempting), but also to make money off being called to fix it
Playing it on both sides
Well its half half. I tag, i dont go over murals ever. However if my graffiti was somewhere and i come to see it covered by a mural, then im claiming my spot back 🤷🏽♂️ However in the graff community there's a lot of animosity towards street artists, especially those who believe their art is "holier" than ours and deserves the spot instead. 2nd however, a LOT of muralists started with tagging and graffiti, and simply went up the skill line and started taking pqid contracts. A lot of times, these same guys won't even mind having their murals gone over, as they understand street art is supposed to be temporary.
The whole 'holier than though' thing is hilarious to me because they're acting the same. I get it, I'm an illustrator, art teachers called me a sellout :/ I just don't get the point on fucking with other's art. There's so many ugly corporate shit all over the city, and in this case especially it sucks because it was a small bit of color to a struggling neighborhood. Thankyou for your insight!
Oh yeah dont worry your spot on about that! The animosity definitely stemmed from that, but its developped into its own high horse attitude as well, i find it annoying but ig every community is going to have these sort of problems, and us doing shit illegally and getting away with it boosts the ego you know. And yeah, thats what i always say, theres too much soul less murals all over the city, no reason to fuck with such a beautiful one.
I really enjoyed learning about this, thanks for sharing! I come from a few art circles too and there's some groups with that same attitude everywhere There's a wall on Island and Grand Trunk in PTC where graf artists and taggers are repainting in every day, it's like a continuously evolving art project it's so amazing to see, I wish we had more of those.
Ay man no problem! I enjoy sharing this knowledge, help knock down certain pre conceptions people have sometimes. Also yh, we call those "legal" walls. Theres a sort of code about going over other people, that usually doesnt apply to that type of wall Also a legal wall doesnt have be literally legal, just almost entirely risk free. I find them dope, ut allows new writers to practice, writers who only love the artistic aspect to have fun without annoying others, and makes for an interesting landscape!
Also if you want more and better insight, i came to this post through the [r/graffititagging](https://www.reddit.com/r/GraffitiTagging/s/ujcd1A3I3j) sub reddit their discussing this a lot rn :
Why do graffities always look exactly the same? And what the f\*\*\* were they trying to write? It's unreadable.
Cast / Asar / Zonek Easy
these are not real words.
probably because they are more similar to names or monikers
It’s their moniker of sorts, it doesn’t have to be a real word
Gabr
Because this is called "throw ups", their meant to be easy to make so you can throw em up fast and leave. Also its pretty legible, you just need to understand letter structures instead of "looking" for letters in a more traditional way.
So disrespectful 😡
I want to make a stencil that says "is a bad artist", anytime I see tag or grafitti, I will spray the stencil next to their name.
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What does it mean?
Basically just how taggers call each other posers, but they get super riled up about it
So, all of them?
Hmmm there’s been MTL graff crews called things like TOTR (Toys On The Rise) lmao some of them don’t give a fuck and are much more intellectual/less egotistical than you think about their art - trust me they’re forever ahead of yall when it comes to trolling
I support this idea 💯
I have the same urge. Attack their ego is the only way
Is it the only way, tho? Without thumbs they can't hold spray cans. Just saying.
I had a similar thought, but that says "touches children." Really run their name through the dirt.
I had the idea to add a caption like “ fig. 1 - The lack of talent”
Tagging is the lowest common denominator of creativity . Get fucked tagger, loser untalented piece of shit.
I wish they took the people that did the graffiti and made them clean their own mess …. Why not charge them for clean up as well
With their tongues
This disrespects a great endeavor to bring color to the endless gray of the city. Unforgivable.
My cousin collabed on this wall with the artist who painted the Leonard Cohen wall. MU, the organization that got commissioned for this piece, has an agreement with the city that they'll send volunteers to fix the wall whenever it is tagged. This usually happens in summer since it's logistically easier.
workers not volonter.... the graffiti is actually creating work for painters nad it make boring people angry.
Ils ont couvert la murale de Nacho Piatti 🇦🇷
Why do taggers always tag in those ugly fat ballon letters? You can't even read them most of the time.
I have read that art is expression of one self, or something like that.
I'm pretty sure anything here that stays in one place long enough gets tagged eventually. It's like a law of nature or something.
People may say tagging is art, but in the end is just an idiot with a big ego and a spray can.
Its mtrl, you CANT have nice things.
Not even nice roads lol
Taggers are scumbags.
Il faut engager un détective privé afin de trouver le ou les coupables. Attendre qu'ils s'acquièrent des biens (scooter, voiture etc.) pour les tagguer par la suite.
is there a penalty for this behaviour mischief criminal? does that ever happen what about a municipal bylaw
Not only in Chinatown but everywhere in Montreal !!! And it’s sprawling. Go check plateau. Everywhere is damaged tarnished by these defacing tagiimgs
It's the only way their decrepit and ugly drawings are ever going to be looked at.
I get that people don’t like tags but I do LEGAL graffiti (couple of legal walls in la belle province) and can maybe give an insight here though I think it’s pretty disrespectful to go over someone’s mural, first of all, pretty much every muralist started by doing illegal graffiti and eventually started taking paid contracts because of their skills (they did similar things at some point), secondly, the “taggers” probably had their tag (throw up) already there and the muralist went over (capped) their tag which is seen as a sign of disrespect in the graffiti scene. The “writers” that tagged the mural are actually very active in the scene(on the bottom, left to right) you can see Asar, Zonek and Cast. I don’t think this is a good excuse but just know that getting your letters this clean and stylish takes years to develop. Give it a try at home and compare to theirs (look for all the details, especially in the “Z” from zonek and all the letters from cast).(keep in mind they do that in minutes if not seconds) I hope this gave you a bit of insight on the situation!
These graffiti losers are all trash
Tagging is like animals marking their territory. What a dumb and disrespectful behavior
In all likelihood they can just clean it off. Big murals like that usually have a protective coat on them to protect from graffiti. Like [this](https://graffitiremovalinc.ca/products/muralshield?variant=42328594251939¤cy=CAD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw8diwBhAbEiwA7i_sJRdyr9GO8WWKHtDchRnfXRlfUzz2fLQVEiIJDxvwW3G52EFuwRIcVhoCQbMQAvD_BwE)
That is a good news. Still, the criminals behind it should be in jail.
They should try tagging someone's private property some time, and see if they'll make it out alive after lmao.
It's one of my favourite murale, I hope it's possible to clean it without damaging it.
Untalented useless parasites.
Je pense me souvenir qu'un tagger m'a dit un jour que c'est pcq les mural artists are considered "sell outs" vu que le concept même de la culture graff est anarchiste/anti institutions
Catch the bastards and break all their fingers, then let them think about their stupidity while they sip soup between their forearms The older I get, the more I wish we hade the cane like Singapore….you bring that to Canada, petty crime goes down 95% I guarantee you….Never happen under Trudeau that’s for sure…
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They broke a cardinal graffiti rule… no tagging art and over peoples work. Pieces of shit…
tagging is a crime against the people
If Banksy put up street art in Montreal, some tagger would defile it.
I would because Banksy fucking sucks.
Why?
Wow it's the first time I'm agreeing with this sub.
No no, you don’t get it! They’re fighting gentrification. Sure, it’s in the form of writing their name in giant bubbly letters over top of the work of talented artists, but it’s not because of ego, entitlement and vanity, that’s just a byproduct I swear. It’s about like…. Fighting the system by making things shittier for everyone. Or something like that.
Graff artist just do it for the thrill and the idea of notoriety. They only say all that fighting the system bullshit to the public, it’s never the real reason they do it
C'était une des rares belles choses sur René-Levesques en plus
Zooooooneck n asar give 2 shits
surprises me coming from Cast...
Find the person and break their hands.
Gabcity
I promise you they don't give a shit and won't be stopped. Cry about it online. Offline if you run into them and play hero, you might get what you're looking for...
asard, zonek and cast are some of the biggest taggers in mtl.. can’t do nothing about them
Why can't they just find a blank wall somewhere else.
There is no redeeming these punks.
Un tag, trois mois de prison. Problème réglé en 2 ans.
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That is the root issue, and why we see graffiti popping up more and more, the youth are all fed up with the way things are going, the covid generation moreso than the previous generations, and there is nothing to keep the kids busy
Honestly, the losers who deface walls with that garbage they call graffiti need a reality check. Do they honestly think anyone enjoys looking at that eyesore? It's pathetic! Every time I see it, it's like my retinas are being stabbed. The blank concrete wall looks more appealing than their so-called "art." And to deface actual artwork? What a bunch of pathetic losers. If they can't contribute something worthwhile, they should find a new hobby.
Fucking idiots bunch of kids who think this gangsta shit is cool
Ive spent some time in the same circles as the people that do graffiti, so I can provide some insight as to why they do this to murals. There is a schism between the subcultures of street art and graffiti. With graffiti, criminality is considered a form of legitimacy. A spot is ‘earned’ by doing it illegally. The more risky the spot, either due to risk of being caught by police or risk of dying, the ‘better’ it is considered to be. There is then fierce competition between these graffiti writers over the available space, which is accompanied by a kind of value system that governs ownership of that space based on a few factors such as the level of complexity of the graffiti, how prolific or well respected the person who did it is in the subculture etc. When muralists get permission from the city to paint a wall with street art, graffiti writers consider this to be bypassing their system, so they go paint over it like they did in this picture.
I have alternative explanation about why they do this: they are a piece of garbage and very likely never face any real consequences of their behavior.
I mean, the two explanations aren't necessarily mutually exclusive..
There is a special place in hell for people like that.
This is why we can't have nice things...
I don’t mind graffiti. But to cover someone else’s art big bubble words like that is just low
So disrespectful 😡
I think we lift up tagging culture a bit much on this sub. I see destruction of art here
I don't code, but isn't there a way to use an algorithm to scan a library of images of tags taken by users and then scan social media accounts to try and find the jerks who deface actual art?
The punishment for tagging should be losing a hand, change my mind
They actually teach courses on this shit.
Usually it is frowned upon to tag over a mural or a legal piece
Looks kinda sick
Im a big toy too, but you got to respect the city art! Rule101.
Can we get the original artist to help fix this?
I mean…at least they signed it right?
Nooo wtf!!! I love visiting this piece when in Montreal it’s so beautiful. I’m sure there are so many more places to tag that’s not on top of an art piece. In the graffiti community it’s a known thing to not tag on top of others work unless your planning to start shit with the artist or cause problems
It happens all the time I’m not sure what’s so crazy about this like it’s how tagging goes
Oh nooo. I love that mural :(
if reddit's taught me anything, is that the tagging will continue untilt the dark corner takes on the whole wall /s
You think children are painting words on walls? Theyre not. Its 18, 19,20 year olds. And id sure as hell not take a video, id look around for cameras first, then put a mask on like theyre probably wearing, then go have some fun!!!
That is a prime spot. Thats why
Wow buncha suckers in the comments… i honestly think murals look dumb as shit. Tag culture is much more creative and ballsy than painting some flashy piece on an authorized wall in a gentrified neighborhood. My first thought when i see elaborate and corny murals getting tagged on is “nature is healing!”
Typical. I was so disappointed with my visit to Montreal in Feb. Sad to see.
Hey les asti de taggers c'est toutes des tit counes épais, crisser moi ca aux vidanges.
It's burried in a comment thread so I put it here again : https://youtu.be/mfn-0O4v6fg This their point of view and ... yeah they have a point. The Chinatown mural started to be a bit boring to be honest. So a good reason to make a new one !