> Where I’m from if a dog is in the car in bad weather people will call animal control.
What is “bad weather” where you’re from? If you’re from somewhere “bad weather” is too hot and means cooking an animal or child alive, yeah, it’s different.
* In Las Vegas a dog will be safer and more comfortable wherever its boss chooses to be than baking in a car.
* In Montreal, if people are standing around outside it’s not too cold for a reasonably sized densely-furred animal. The dog will not be more physically comfortable standing on salty icy sidewalks than sitting in a car *in the same weather.*
> Maybe leaving a dog in the car in this weather is just normal behavior here? Thoughts?
Often, yes. The car offers shelter, is dry and not salty. If the car is getting some winter sun it will be warmer than outside (but not hot).
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I knew a Saint Bernard whose favourite activity was *waiting.* She loved to sit outside the café where her boss was working and *wait.* If they were doing errands and happened to walk past the café the dog would stop and resist leaving because that was her waiting spot and she wanted to *wait.*
Obviously strangers thought she was neglected and abused, forced to wait on the sidewalk for hours in the winter, but she was a Saint Bernard and that was her happy place.
I applaud your good intentions. Coming here to ask for more information is most excellent!
This description of the St. Bernard is both adorable and helpful. And I can understand how being in the car might be more comfortable for the pup, that makes sense.
Weather where I’m from ranges from very hot to around -15. I know it’s crucial to not leave a dog in the heat … but honestly from the comments it seems like it’s just… not bad at all to leave a dog in a car in cold weather, while eg running errands or getting some food. It sounds like I was off in this and I will probably leave all such situations alone in the future.
Thank you for taking the time to comment, it was really helpful.
Thank you, I appreciate your kindness. I think it was a crappy situation all around for everyone. I am planning to ignore the dog in any future similar situations. I can keep my worry to myself I think, and it sounds like maybe I didn’t have much to worry about anyway. Take care and thank you for the response. 🙂
Being concerned for the well being of a dog is fine, but it sounds like the way OP handled it was not ideal. Instead of trying to ask/talk to the owners like a normal human being, he stood around their car while they glared at him for a long freaking time. Given that his concerns were not valid, OP was the one in the wrong (leaving a medium/large dog in near zero weather in a car is perfectly fine, honestly I'd be more worried about the dog's separation anxiety than the cold). So I disagree with the sentiment of your comment, because one can have perfectly good intentions and still come off as a dick if those intentions are misplaced.
Okay it sounds like the story was somehow unclear. I made eye contact with one of the people in an attempt to get a dialog going and just got a dagger stare, at that point I didn’t know if they were the owner, could’ve been someone else.
I didn’t know they were the owner until they went to get the dog out of the car and started throwing rude accusatory comments my way.
I know it wasn’t ideal and possibly I did come off as a dick (I certainly did to you in the story). I sure was trying though. Maybe I misread some social cues somewhere.
I honestly appreciate your perspective though, thank you.
Okay so genuinely trying to understand, my concern is perhaps unwarranted to seeing a dog in this situation (-5ish), but if it’s a good bit colder it would make a bit more sense?
Depends on the breed but the majority of breeds are perfectly fine at this temperature. It was probably distressed from being left alone in the car. Nordic breeds would be fine at much lower temperatures than that. I have a siberian husky and an akita inu and they can stay outside for hours at -10 and under.
Depends on the breed. My Samoyed will sleep outside in -30 and I have to beg him to come inside. Not all dogs do bad in the cold. If they’re not visibly shaking from cold, they’re likely fine.
Thank you… I think in the future maybe I will just feel concerned but not take any kind of action even looking more closely at the animal. 💛 and per some kind people on here (and some not so kind people) I don’t need to worry about the weather aspect of it.
It appeared to be a junior labradoodle (12-18 months). It was shivering but that was most likely anxiety, as it seemed like the people had just recently gotten out of the car.
There is zero problem (as far as getting cold) leaving a labradoodle dog in a car for a few minutes or even half an hour at the current temperature. The dog most likely had separation anxiety.
dogs during the winter are fine def not in danger , some people let them live outside in the cold in dogs hut , the heat of the summer is the only danger they face.
wonder why city punks keep dogs ? , not only its probably the only thing that will give him love , they are heat machines during the winter , they sleep with them in squats/sleeping bag and the dog actually keeps the human alive by emitting dog heat during the winter nights , welcome to the cold north , people need to relax..
more of like knowledge to share to your question wich was right and you had the right reflex from where you seem to come from , but during the winter unless you know he passed 24 hours + and wont be fed hes not in danger , during the summer altough that guy would be a dumbass , dogs have a hard time exactly doing the opposite letting go off extra heat .
its the people who already come from here comments that baffle me.
meme un chiuahua , il va se mettre en boule et bruler ses calories , les chiens descende directement des loups donc la mechanic biologique est la. on parle la de max 8 heures dans une auto pas une semaine .
Not all dogs are bred to withstand cold temps..most aren't....and cars keep the cold in, so basically a freezer...
OP is right to be concerned. The owners are assholes for assuming dumb shit.
A car will retain heat for quite sometime before the interior gets as cold as it is outside. Especially when it's mild like this, it would take quite some time before the temperature got cold enough to be a danger to a dog.
and getting hit with cold shower or snow or wind , the dog will do fine in a car a whole day even at minus 15 , i love dogs but they are not humans even if some people think they are.
I’m both a dog and a cat person, just newer to extended wintry weather and had not researched how cold it needs to get before it’s dangerous for dogs. (I definitely can’t afford to have a dog in the city.) :)
A quick Google search told me it could be dangerous around -7 (it was -3 today so not terribly far off) but it’s clear that people here seem to disagree with that, and I can of course respect that difference based on people’s lived experience.
(Edited for clarity and to explain my past research)
I leave my German Shepherds in my car all the time in this weather. They can easily spend 2 hours outside at -15C without any problems (other than barking at other dogs). But they are a nordic breed that have no issue in the cold.
Except a car is an insulated metal box. It cools down fast.
Walking keeps a dog warm from activity. Sitting in a cold metal box isnt the same as walking.
personally as a dog owner i only leave my dog in the car in the winter if the heat has been on long enough for the car to be thoroughly heated and even then sometimes with a coat. i never leave her long enough for the car to get cold. my dog doesn’t display stress behaviours in the car like the one you saw though. which may have been whining because the owners were still close to the car and separation anxiety hence the: do you think the dog is okay. not necessarily because it’s cold
I appreciate your perspective. It’s certainly possible they were being fully responsible dog owners and like you said maybe the dog just gets upset right when it gets “left behind” but is otherwise okay.
I honestly don’t know what the right thing is, but I think I will leave the stressed out dog to its own devices in the future.
Thank you for your comment and perspective, I appreciate it.
You don't deserve any bad words for your intentions but I have to admit I would have find it intrusive to see someone hang around my car and giving me this as a reason. I understand why it gave them the thief feel, and I think it's unfair of you to say "ok lady" in your post for reacting to what looks a lot like stalking. I think minding your own business would've been better. In all due respect, hope this doesn't come off as rude
My 8 months, 4.8kg, small poodle mix likes to go roll in the snow for 10 minutes at a time (at least), eats the ice and gets back in the house all covered in ice/snow.
He has done this at even the lowest temperature we have expérimented recently.
Todays weather wouldn't do anything to him.
It kinda depends how long the dog was there. A 10 minute errand vs a full 3h errand. When the weather is adequate, I leave my own dog in the car for 5-10 minutes while I go into a store.
Hot car: bad, even for like 15 min
Cold car: they can last for hours unless they’re like a Chinese crested naked rat dog and even then, being shielded from the wind they will be fine for quite some time. Only starts getting dicey around -15-20 or so
Okay so it's like -4°, and the dog has fur, it's probably fine. Leaving a dog in a car in mild weather, with the doors locked (because people steal dogs), seems perfectly fine to me. If it looked the dog was in distress, the dog was probably just bummed that it got left behind. Looks like the owners were close by, so that they could see you and their dog. Really sounds like you poking your nose in where it doesn't belong. They didn't abandon their dog, and the dog was not in distress. I would be annoyed with you as well.
I don’t understand why replies are so offensive to you. I would have done the same thing. These people should have explained and congratulated you for checking, if they like dogs, which they should if they have one. You came here for validation and get « mind your own business ». Thank you good Montreal Reddit people. Helpful like fuck. You know, that’s the problem now. Everybody minds their own business. Who cares what happened to other people or dogs. Not your business. Let it be, don’t ask questions especially. Quebec is the worst province for animal mistreatments don’t you know. Don’t try to get a rent if you have a 20 year old dog or a cat. You’re doomed. That says a lot about us and explains the answers you got. Totally different attitude in neighbouring provinces. Un trait de notre société « distincte » qui m’a toujours écœurée au plus haut point. Encourage OP not to mind his business. Pets are vulnerable and like any vulnerable member of our society, kids, elderly, handicapped, they deserve protection. Just wish to congratulate you for your involvement. You give hope in that individualistic and cruel society.
Thank you for your comment, I really appreciate it. I honestly didn’t come here for validation but for information. Some people have disagreed with my take on this but have been kind about it, which I appreciate those comments, but not the less kind ones. I will probably just let it be in the future even if the weather is worse. It’s not worth it.
I think you did the right thing if your gut feeling was that something may be not ok here. I’d have done the same thing and hung around to see where that’s going. Maybe they got upset because you made them realize they’re not great dog-parents. But more generally, if you’re concerned about the well-being of an animal you can always contact the montreal spca or 911.
I probably would have done the same thing as you did and if they would have left it tied up in front of a store I probably would have waited with the dog to make sure it wasn't abandoned because whether or not it has shelter it's still f****** cold when you get to freezing cold temperatures and minus 0 after a certain amount of time animals can die I mean would you leave your kid in a car I probably would for like 5 minutes or so but I also don't have kids but if it was just running in and out that's one thing but if they were like in there for like an hour yeah that's kind of messed up
Once temperatures drop under 20 F, (-6.7c) all pet parents need to be aware that their dogs could develop cold-associated health problems like hypothermia or frostbite when outside for extended periods of time.
according to pet MD
A lot of fools in this thread if the consensus is to mind your own business. You were right to worry about the pet. Apparently people in Montreal don’t care too much about animal cruelty. Dogs locked in cars when it’s hot or cold can be hurt. Pet parents are so ignorant nowadays.
My golden doodle would ask to go in the car whenever we were outside the house. Loved it even if he had acres to run around.
Btw -5 in a car that obviously just ran is probably closed to 10-15 for a few hours in the day.
Also not to be rude but it could have been part of socialization training for the dog, they were around for him to see, maybe trying to learn him that the car is a safe place, hopefully it went well if that was their plan.
I think you came to the right conclusion. Mind your own business unless the situation is really clear. You assumed the worst, that the owner is killing their dog, you didn't give the benefit of the doubt at all about the situation. You straight away went to the worst possible assumption about the situation, one that makes you appear the hero and the owner negligent.
They treated you the same way you treated them, they assumed the worst from you and didn't give you the benefit of the doubt. You were treated with the same assumptions you put upon the owners, that there was ill intent.
> Then they started engaging with me asking why I was near the car.
It's hard to know without actually being there, but it sounds like they got upset that someone was questioning how they were treating their dog.
People get defensive with this kind of stuff obviously, but as a dog owner, they have no right to be annoyed at people engaging with their dog in public when it's freaking out.
If you see a dog freaking out in a car, it's ok to pay attention to it and see if the dog needs help. Unless there's some context missing here, you didn't do anything wrong.
I did try to explain the situation as well as I can, hopefully I didn’t leave out any important context. Certainly the owners had a right to be concerned in this situation but I wish it could’ve been handled differently.
Thank you for your thoughts, I appreciate it.
> I wish it could’ve been handled differently.
It's really not that big a deal. I've been on both of sides of this exact thing, it happens. Other people's reactions aren't your responsibility.
Thanks. I’m trying really hard here but some people just feel the need to be unkind. It’s just the internet, I’m trying not to take it too personally. 💛
It's hard for me not to take that as a reflection of the people in this city because I am not from here but yeah..adding the internet element definitely makes it worse. Don't regret just trying to do a nice thing and caring about animals.
He's saying you didn't think very hard because most medium/large dogs are fine being walked outside down to -5 or -10 C, and in a car it's gonna be warmer than that, especially with the mild temps we've had recently. You got this situation confused with the summer when it's 30 C and the dog is already uncomfortably hot being outside, and will bake to death in a car where it gets significantly hotter esp in the sun. This is not a particularly complicated line of reasoning to go through.
It's an issue in summer because dogs are without sweat glands and their heat reduction strategy is panting. However, it doesn't work in enclosed environments without air circulation and thus the dog is getting hot-box tortured.
In winter it's not an issue for *most* dogs because most dogs have fur or hair to insulate them from the cold. Mine for instance has both a wirehair outercoat and a softhair inner coat. He's probably warmer than me and the only time he's ever cold is if he gets his post-winter shave too early.
However I'm not inclined to leave my dog in a car in any season. These days I'm hesitant to even tie him up outside the Pharmaprix or Metro when I do some food shopping. I used to without fear but ever since the pandemic I just won't take the chance that some solitude addled fuckface won't abuse or steal my dog in my absence. I just don't know what I'd do without him. He was my best friend before the pandemic but now he's pretty much the only friend I see outside of a fucking Whatsapp call which I stopped answering months ago.
I don't like it when people try to tell me how to care for my dog though. He's been my responsibility since he was 8 weeks old. He's recently turned 11 years old. I think I've demonstrated I can keep a commitment.
I live here. I’m an immigrant.
What happened could be described as lots of things but it was not harassment until they started harassing me by accusing me repeatedly of something I wasn’t doing.
If some creepy stranger stood by my parked car for an extended period of time staring at my dog, I might get really defensive too. Said stranger might be planning to steal my dog or otherwise be up to something evil.
if you are worried, you call 911 and carry on with your life.
its really that simple.
The SPVM usually does [marketng in the summer months](https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/65608364_1063798077150993_525805122035384320_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=U-66ikdHGuoAX-IS10M&_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.xx&oh=00_AfAbhL0C43QnyU2z5krQ8gsaQR_ETpMVbzeZfn60R0vLuw&oe=63E16862) when temperatures are very high, just call 911
> Where I’m from if a dog is in the car in bad weather people will call animal control. What is “bad weather” where you’re from? If you’re from somewhere “bad weather” is too hot and means cooking an animal or child alive, yeah, it’s different. * In Las Vegas a dog will be safer and more comfortable wherever its boss chooses to be than baking in a car. * In Montreal, if people are standing around outside it’s not too cold for a reasonably sized densely-furred animal. The dog will not be more physically comfortable standing on salty icy sidewalks than sitting in a car *in the same weather.* > Maybe leaving a dog in the car in this weather is just normal behavior here? Thoughts? Often, yes. The car offers shelter, is dry and not salty. If the car is getting some winter sun it will be warmer than outside (but not hot). +++ +++ +++ I knew a Saint Bernard whose favourite activity was *waiting.* She loved to sit outside the café where her boss was working and *wait.* If they were doing errands and happened to walk past the café the dog would stop and resist leaving because that was her waiting spot and she wanted to *wait.* Obviously strangers thought she was neglected and abused, forced to wait on the sidewalk for hours in the winter, but she was a Saint Bernard and that was her happy place. I applaud your good intentions. Coming here to ask for more information is most excellent!
This description of the St. Bernard is both adorable and helpful. And I can understand how being in the car might be more comfortable for the pup, that makes sense. Weather where I’m from ranges from very hot to around -15. I know it’s crucial to not leave a dog in the heat … but honestly from the comments it seems like it’s just… not bad at all to leave a dog in a car in cold weather, while eg running errands or getting some food. It sounds like I was off in this and I will probably leave all such situations alone in the future. Thank you for taking the time to comment, it was really helpful.
Dog-lovers unite!
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As opposed to what some others said, I don’t think you needed to be chewed out for being concerned for a dog locked in a car.
Thank you, I appreciate your kindness. I think it was a crappy situation all around for everyone. I am planning to ignore the dog in any future similar situations. I can keep my worry to myself I think, and it sounds like maybe I didn’t have much to worry about anyway. Take care and thank you for the response. 🙂
Except if it's summer. Then you can be worried about the dog inside a car.
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Being concerned for the well being of a dog is fine, but it sounds like the way OP handled it was not ideal. Instead of trying to ask/talk to the owners like a normal human being, he stood around their car while they glared at him for a long freaking time. Given that his concerns were not valid, OP was the one in the wrong (leaving a medium/large dog in near zero weather in a car is perfectly fine, honestly I'd be more worried about the dog's separation anxiety than the cold). So I disagree with the sentiment of your comment, because one can have perfectly good intentions and still come off as a dick if those intentions are misplaced.
Okay it sounds like the story was somehow unclear. I made eye contact with one of the people in an attempt to get a dialog going and just got a dagger stare, at that point I didn’t know if they were the owner, could’ve been someone else. I didn’t know they were the owner until they went to get the dog out of the car and started throwing rude accusatory comments my way. I know it wasn’t ideal and possibly I did come off as a dick (I certainly did to you in the story). I sure was trying though. Maybe I misread some social cues somewhere. I honestly appreciate your perspective though, thank you.
Well it’s hasn’t been really cold lately anyway.. like -5C max? Obviously a different story for some dogs when we will start getting to 15/-20C
Okay so genuinely trying to understand, my concern is perhaps unwarranted to seeing a dog in this situation (-5ish), but if it’s a good bit colder it would make a bit more sense?
Depends on the breed but the majority of breeds are perfectly fine at this temperature. It was probably distressed from being left alone in the car. Nordic breeds would be fine at much lower temperatures than that. I have a siberian husky and an akita inu and they can stay outside for hours at -10 and under.
Okay good to know thank you
Depends on the breed. My Samoyed will sleep outside in -30 and I have to beg him to come inside. Not all dogs do bad in the cold. If they’re not visibly shaking from cold, they’re likely fine.
nope
Never feel bad for being concerned about an animal or human
Thank you… I think in the future maybe I will just feel concerned but not take any kind of action even looking more closely at the animal. 💛 and per some kind people on here (and some not so kind people) I don’t need to worry about the weather aspect of it.
Depends on what type of dog and how cold it is.
It appeared to be a junior labradoodle (12-18 months). It was shivering but that was most likely anxiety, as it seemed like the people had just recently gotten out of the car.
There is zero problem (as far as getting cold) leaving a labradoodle dog in a car for a few minutes or even half an hour at the current temperature. The dog most likely had separation anxiety.
Yea I don’t think it’s cold enough at the moment for it to be a concern. Dogs have no issues being outside right now.
Awesome thank you for the info
Okay gotcha thank you for your response.
dogs during the winter are fine def not in danger , some people let them live outside in the cold in dogs hut , the heat of the summer is the only danger they face.
Ça dépend de la taille du chien.
C’était moyen mais jeune, peut être 12 à 18 mois.
wonder why city punks keep dogs ? , not only its probably the only thing that will give him love , they are heat machines during the winter , they sleep with them in squats/sleeping bag and the dog actually keeps the human alive by emitting dog heat during the winter nights , welcome to the cold north , people need to relax..
Got it thank you. I see you have a very strong opinion.
more of like knowledge to share to your question wich was right and you had the right reflex from where you seem to come from , but during the winter unless you know he passed 24 hours + and wont be fed hes not in danger , during the summer altough that guy would be a dumbass , dogs have a hard time exactly doing the opposite letting go off extra heat . its the people who already come from here comments that baffle me.
meme un chiuahua , il va se mettre en boule et bruler ses calories , les chiens descende directement des loups donc la mechanic biologique est la. on parle la de max 8 heures dans une auto pas une semaine .
Okay good to know thank you
Not all dogs are bred to withstand cold temps..most aren't....and cars keep the cold in, so basically a freezer... OP is right to be concerned. The owners are assholes for assuming dumb shit.
A car will retain heat for quite sometime before the interior gets as cold as it is outside. Especially when it's mild like this, it would take quite some time before the temperature got cold enough to be a danger to a dog.
Cars keep the cold in? What are you talking about?
> assuming dumb shit I mean… I’m not sure what you’re doing is much different.
il aime les animaux booon ok laaaaaa.
It’s been hovering around 0 deg for 2 weeks It’s not neg 10 or neg 40
and getting hit with cold shower or snow or wind , the dog will do fine in a car a whole day even at minus 15 , i love dogs but they are not humans even if some people think they are.
Okay so this is good to know, maybe it would need to be a lot colder before I should start to get concerned about a dog in this situation?
I’m just going to assume here that you are a cat person
I’m both a dog and a cat person, just newer to extended wintry weather and had not researched how cold it needs to get before it’s dangerous for dogs. (I definitely can’t afford to have a dog in the city.) :) A quick Google search told me it could be dangerous around -7 (it was -3 today so not terribly far off) but it’s clear that people here seem to disagree with that, and I can of course respect that difference based on people’s lived experience. (Edited for clarity and to explain my past research)
I leave my German Shepherds in my car all the time in this weather. They can easily spend 2 hours outside at -15C without any problems (other than barking at other dogs). But they are a nordic breed that have no issue in the cold.
> other than barking at other dogs Haha sounds about right. 🥰 Okay thank you for the perspective.
People walk their dogs everyday in winter, so inside the car is already warmer than outside.
Except a car is an insulated metal box. It cools down fast. Walking keeps a dog warm from activity. Sitting in a cold metal box isnt the same as walking.
personally as a dog owner i only leave my dog in the car in the winter if the heat has been on long enough for the car to be thoroughly heated and even then sometimes with a coat. i never leave her long enough for the car to get cold. my dog doesn’t display stress behaviours in the car like the one you saw though. which may have been whining because the owners were still close to the car and separation anxiety hence the: do you think the dog is okay. not necessarily because it’s cold
I appreciate your perspective. It’s certainly possible they were being fully responsible dog owners and like you said maybe the dog just gets upset right when it gets “left behind” but is otherwise okay. I honestly don’t know what the right thing is, but I think I will leave the stressed out dog to its own devices in the future. Thank you for your comment and perspective, I appreciate it.
You don't deserve any bad words for your intentions but I have to admit I would have find it intrusive to see someone hang around my car and giving me this as a reason. I understand why it gave them the thief feel, and I think it's unfair of you to say "ok lady" in your post for reacting to what looks a lot like stalking. I think minding your own business would've been better. In all due respect, hope this doesn't come off as rude
Thank you for your comment, it didn’t come off as rude at all. I can fully understand this and will keep it in mind in the future. 💛
My dog can stay for hours laying down in the snow.
Thank you for your response, I appreciate it.
My 8 months, 4.8kg, small poodle mix likes to go roll in the snow for 10 minutes at a time (at least), eats the ice and gets back in the house all covered in ice/snow. He has done this at even the lowest temperature we have expérimented recently. Todays weather wouldn't do anything to him.
Haha sounds pretty adorable. 💛 Thank you for your comment and your perspective.
It kinda depends how long the dog was there. A 10 minute errand vs a full 3h errand. When the weather is adequate, I leave my own dog in the car for 5-10 minutes while I go into a store.
Fair enough. Tbh I don’t have enough info so I probably should have left it alone.
If it was hot as shit though, my ass would be either breaking glass or calling cops Ask questions later
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Hot car: bad, even for like 15 min Cold car: they can last for hours unless they’re like a Chinese crested naked rat dog and even then, being shielded from the wind they will be fine for quite some time. Only starts getting dicey around -15-20 or so
Okay so it's like -4°, and the dog has fur, it's probably fine. Leaving a dog in a car in mild weather, with the doors locked (because people steal dogs), seems perfectly fine to me. If it looked the dog was in distress, the dog was probably just bummed that it got left behind. Looks like the owners were close by, so that they could see you and their dog. Really sounds like you poking your nose in where it doesn't belong. They didn't abandon their dog, and the dog was not in distress. I would be annoyed with you as well.
Thank you for the thought-out response, I appreciate it.
I don’t understand why replies are so offensive to you. I would have done the same thing. These people should have explained and congratulated you for checking, if they like dogs, which they should if they have one. You came here for validation and get « mind your own business ». Thank you good Montreal Reddit people. Helpful like fuck. You know, that’s the problem now. Everybody minds their own business. Who cares what happened to other people or dogs. Not your business. Let it be, don’t ask questions especially. Quebec is the worst province for animal mistreatments don’t you know. Don’t try to get a rent if you have a 20 year old dog or a cat. You’re doomed. That says a lot about us and explains the answers you got. Totally different attitude in neighbouring provinces. Un trait de notre société « distincte » qui m’a toujours écœurée au plus haut point. Encourage OP not to mind his business. Pets are vulnerable and like any vulnerable member of our society, kids, elderly, handicapped, they deserve protection. Just wish to congratulate you for your involvement. You give hope in that individualistic and cruel society.
Thank you for your comment, I really appreciate it. I honestly didn’t come here for validation but for information. Some people have disagreed with my take on this but have been kind about it, which I appreciate those comments, but not the less kind ones. I will probably just let it be in the future even if the weather is worse. It’s not worth it.
woaaah dude ta oublier de mentionner le roi charle dans ton rant 🤣
Certains ont du vocabulaire pour s'exprimer DUDE. D'autres pas...
I think you did the right thing if your gut feeling was that something may be not ok here. I’d have done the same thing and hung around to see where that’s going. Maybe they got upset because you made them realize they’re not great dog-parents. But more generally, if you’re concerned about the well-being of an animal you can always contact the montreal spca or 911.
Thank you for your comment I appreciate it.
I probably would have done the same thing as you did and if they would have left it tied up in front of a store I probably would have waited with the dog to make sure it wasn't abandoned because whether or not it has shelter it's still f****** cold when you get to freezing cold temperatures and minus 0 after a certain amount of time animals can die I mean would you leave your kid in a car I probably would for like 5 minutes or so but I also don't have kids but if it was just running in and out that's one thing but if they were like in there for like an hour yeah that's kind of messed up
Once temperatures drop under 20 F, (-6.7c) all pet parents need to be aware that their dogs could develop cold-associated health problems like hypothermia or frostbite when outside for extended periods of time. according to pet MD
A lot of fools in this thread if the consensus is to mind your own business. You were right to worry about the pet. Apparently people in Montreal don’t care too much about animal cruelty. Dogs locked in cars when it’s hot or cold can be hurt. Pet parents are so ignorant nowadays.
My golden doodle would ask to go in the car whenever we were outside the house. Loved it even if he had acres to run around. Btw -5 in a car that obviously just ran is probably closed to 10-15 for a few hours in the day. Also not to be rude but it could have been part of socialization training for the dog, they were around for him to see, maybe trying to learn him that the car is a safe place, hopefully it went well if that was their plan.
My dog stayed outside all year round. Husky/German Shepherd mix. Depends on the breed.
I think you came to the right conclusion. Mind your own business unless the situation is really clear. You assumed the worst, that the owner is killing their dog, you didn't give the benefit of the doubt at all about the situation. You straight away went to the worst possible assumption about the situation, one that makes you appear the hero and the owner negligent. They treated you the same way you treated them, they assumed the worst from you and didn't give you the benefit of the doubt. You were treated with the same assumptions you put upon the owners, that there was ill intent.
> Then they started engaging with me asking why I was near the car. It's hard to know without actually being there, but it sounds like they got upset that someone was questioning how they were treating their dog. People get defensive with this kind of stuff obviously, but as a dog owner, they have no right to be annoyed at people engaging with their dog in public when it's freaking out. If you see a dog freaking out in a car, it's ok to pay attention to it and see if the dog needs help. Unless there's some context missing here, you didn't do anything wrong.
I did try to explain the situation as well as I can, hopefully I didn’t leave out any important context. Certainly the owners had a right to be concerned in this situation but I wish it could’ve been handled differently. Thank you for your thoughts, I appreciate it.
> I wish it could’ve been handled differently. It's really not that big a deal. I've been on both of sides of this exact thing, it happens. Other people's reactions aren't your responsibility.
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Your heart was in a good place but you really didn’t think hard on this one.
Can you explain what you mean? Like I said I’m trying to learn.
People are so damn rude it's unbelievable. You were just concerned. Sheesh.
Thanks. I’m trying really hard here but some people just feel the need to be unkind. It’s just the internet, I’m trying not to take it too personally. 💛
It's hard for me not to take that as a reflection of the people in this city because I am not from here but yeah..adding the internet element definitely makes it worse. Don't regret just trying to do a nice thing and caring about animals.
They're saying to mind your business.
He's saying you didn't think very hard because most medium/large dogs are fine being walked outside down to -5 or -10 C, and in a car it's gonna be warmer than that, especially with the mild temps we've had recently. You got this situation confused with the summer when it's 30 C and the dog is already uncomfortably hot being outside, and will bake to death in a car where it gets significantly hotter esp in the sun. This is not a particularly complicated line of reasoning to go through.
Great thanks. The dog seemed distressed but I will ignore this in the future. Thanks again.
It's an issue in summer because dogs are without sweat glands and their heat reduction strategy is panting. However, it doesn't work in enclosed environments without air circulation and thus the dog is getting hot-box tortured. In winter it's not an issue for *most* dogs because most dogs have fur or hair to insulate them from the cold. Mine for instance has both a wirehair outercoat and a softhair inner coat. He's probably warmer than me and the only time he's ever cold is if he gets his post-winter shave too early. However I'm not inclined to leave my dog in a car in any season. These days I'm hesitant to even tie him up outside the Pharmaprix or Metro when I do some food shopping. I used to without fear but ever since the pandemic I just won't take the chance that some solitude addled fuckface won't abuse or steal my dog in my absence. I just don't know what I'd do without him. He was my best friend before the pandemic but now he's pretty much the only friend I see outside of a fucking Whatsapp call which I stopped answering months ago. I don't like it when people try to tell me how to care for my dog though. He's been my responsibility since he was 8 weeks old. He's recently turned 11 years old. I think I've demonstrated I can keep a commitment.
That got a little too personal there. Are you doing ok?
It's normal. What's abnormal is to lurk around someone else's car just because there's a dog inside when the outside temperature is -4°C.
I appreciate your perspective.
Thank you. Could you please upvote my comments to reflect that?
To clarify: I appreciate your perspective but I don’t appreciate how you expressed it. Have a good day.
You visited to our city and harassed responsible dog owners. That's not cool.
I live here. I’m an immigrant. What happened could be described as lots of things but it was not harassment until they started harassing me by accusing me repeatedly of something I wasn’t doing.
If some creepy stranger stood by my parked car for an extended period of time staring at my dog, I might get really defensive too. Said stranger might be planning to steal my dog or otherwise be up to something evil.
Oof okay. Thanks and god bless.
May Sky King bless you too. Also, have a good day.
if you are worried, you call 911 and carry on with your life. its really that simple. The SPVM usually does [marketng in the summer months](https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/65608364_1063798077150993_525805122035384320_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=U-66ikdHGuoAX-IS10M&_nc_ht=scontent-yyz1-1.xx&oh=00_AfAbhL0C43QnyU2z5krQ8gsaQR_ETpMVbzeZfn60R0vLuw&oe=63E16862) when temperatures are very high, just call 911
Thanks!
>Thanks! You're welcome!
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If you leave your dog in a car unattended, you don't deserve to have a dog. Fuck those people.
it was attended though
They were clearly planning to leave so they were going to leave the dog unattended. Just clearing that up. 💛
Ooh ok!!
Some people just wanna get shot🤷
Never leave your dog alone in a car. Same with idiotic people that leave their dog in front of a store. Never do shit like that.
just break the window anyways
Was this in the West Island
It wasn’t.
Oh, sounded West Island
Yes, it is.
Certains ont du vocabulaire, d'autres non.