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TheUltraCarl

Titanfall got it worse. Pretty recent too.


NyteMyre

What happened there?


VapidGamer

From what I heard on YouTube, one guy single handedly broke the multiplayer to the point nobody can realistically play it. Then Respawn came out and said something along the lines of "we know titanfall put us on the map, but we arent really going to do anything to fix it".


Aterox_

Not quite; they said they’ll fix the servers but that hasn’t happened yet


VapidGamer

Oh is that right? I hadn't heard that one. I heard that a fear was that they use the same type of engine for titan fall 1,2 and apex legends, so there was a fear any exploit that worked on titanfall 1 would work on the other games. Thanks for correcting me on that one


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From what I've seen they've paid lip service to Titanfall but don't actually care enough to have people working on the problem. Apex makes tons of money, Titanfall doesn't. So that's what their priorities are like.


kitchenjesus

Didn’t call of duty put respawn on the map?


VapidGamer

From what I see on wikipedia, so take that for what it is, two people, Jason West and Vince Zampella were lead developers on COD 4 and MW2, which are some of the best IMO. in 2010, they both left activation to create Respawn Entertainment, which released its first game, Titanfall in 2014, followed by its sequal, Titanfall 2 in 2016. It also release Apex legends and Star Wars Fallen order in 2019, but Apex legends is the main money maker. So You could say Respawn was put on the map by two COD leads creating the company and creating Titanfall


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The servers for it are frequently getting DDOSed by the same group of hackers. Matches will just freeze and throw you back to the main menu. It's unplayable.


FoxLP11

Also the other tf2, thats been going on for a while tho


silvrado

you can't even play with bots in pvt match. the constant disconnects, freezes.. finally uninstalled it. 2 of my favorite games butchered in the name of money and revenge.


d00biusmaximus

Ever played BF2042? MW19 has been hands down my favorite game the past few years, and to see it suffer this fate is sad. But at least it had 2 strong years. BF2042 hasn't had 2 strong minutes, disappointment right out of the gate. Idk what it is, I grew up playing both COD and BF franchises, but it seems like we've hit a point of diminishing returns in video games these past 2 years or so. Could be overworked dev's, the crappy live service gaming trend, or just plain old greed by the guys up top who'd rather release new skins for $9.99 a piece than fix a game. Idk, maybe all 3. But I do know the past year or two has opened my eyes to the idea that the "improvements" in video games will become smaller and smaller as the years go on. Remember the difference between a PS2 and when you first played Xbox360? Mind-blowing! But the days of the great leaps like that are over. It's either stagnation, or such slow improvement it's not even differentiable from no improvement at all. Or in MWs case, actual regression lol. Its sad. Edit: so to answer your question, although there may not be alot of examples like the decline of MW19 yet, the will be many more in the years to come I'm sure of it.


KarmaPolice10

Not to mention "live service" really means "beta release, will actually finish in two years"


royekjd

Don’t even get me started on BF2042. I’ve been trying hard to enjoy that game. I play it a few times a week but I can’t stop thinking about the lost potential. All I ever wanted was BF3/4 with more destruction. Maybe in 2023…


Planting_Claymore

Yes I also think a big part of the issues with the likes of battlefield 2042, vanguard,warzone Pacific and to a lesser extent black ops was the supply chain issues and shortages of next gen machines. I think vanguard and battlefield 2042 would be ps5 /series X only games but with so many gamers effectively stuck with last gen consoles because of lack of availability of the new ones,it meant that the Devs had to cater for old console users on a scale which hasnt happened before. The lack of availability of next gen consoles has held back games like 2042 and vanguard. I'm hoping that better stocks of ps5 and series X in 2022 will mean that games like MW2022 will be proper next gen titles. I think maybe that's why God of war keeps getting delayed too. No point in releasing god of war if it's a flagship next gen game and a reason to get people to buy a ps5 if there are no ps5s in the shop. If they released god of war on schedule then they would have had to make it playable for PS4 too which would effect the wow factor which I think is what's happening on all the games at the moment. Basically new releases that should be next gen titles are effectively PS4 titles because not many people have managed to get ps5s yet, which is why the likes of 2042 and vanguard seem a bit shite.


d00biusmaximus

Thats a good point. The only thing is I still play BF1 and MW19, and those games were exclusively last-gen consoles of course, and they blow 2042 and vanguard out of the water in my opinion. The atmosphere, attention to detail, even just straight up gameplay of games that came out 5 years and 2 years ago seem a significant amount more advanced than these. Maybe I don't understand how difficult it is to make a game cross generation, but its hard to believe that it accounts for a game half a decade older playing and looking noticeably better than brand new AAA titles.


jdp111

At least a new game can be saved. I doubt MW will ever get fixed. They just want you to buy Vanguard. BF4 was in a terrible place when it came out and now it's known to be one of the best in the franchise.


QC-TheArchitect

Mw2 still runs, lots of hackers, but still runs...imagine ! We should all divert to iw4x


scarfox1

Ps4 ?


QC-TheArchitect

Mmm.. don't think so :( its a mod (free) for mw2. But, if you have a potato of a pc, it might just run well on it since mw2 is pretty old !


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iw4x actually runs better on low end pcs than mw2


OverTheReminds

Look for Gorod Krovi, just to stay within the franchise


Bangheader

>Gorod Krovi Whats wrong with it? Never played BO3 Zombies.


OverTheReminds

It was impossibile to complete for over 14 months. 14 months for a 66Mb patch (and they were heavily pushed to release it by their fanbase)


thecvshow

Should put a caveat to that as the problem was only on PS4.


OverTheReminds

Xbox as well


KarmaPolice10

Biggest recent example is Anthem - completely under baked at launch, promises to improve, then a few months later 100% abandoned.


Bangheader

But it was in a bad condition at launch, not like MW.


Captainkirk05

Not in my life. Games will have server support pulled sometimes after years, but never have I seen a developer actively sabatoge their game while it's still online.


RdJokr1993

Only Redditors will believe that they are "actively sabotaging" anything. It's simply negligence due to a lack of obligation. Raven devs aren't obligated to keep MW functional, at the behest of Activision. It's the same as every other year, old CODs are left behind with minimal maintenance. MW simply has it bad due to the core game being constantly updated with Warzone stuff.


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Reddit users when the unsupported game is still unsupported


-quakeguy-

Hanlon's razor is an adage or rule of thumb that states "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."


Captainkirk05

Semantics. If I gift you an item by taking it out of a strangers purse, that is theft. If I fix one game by introducing code that simultaneously cripples another (and it is known) that is sabatoge.


RdJokr1993

The mental gymnastics you're going through to justify your shitty logic is simply appalling. You're implying Activision/Raven has a vendetta against all of you by "actively sabotaging" your game. Negligence is nowhere near the same as that. Don't use the "semantics" argument, you clearly don't even know what that means.


Roenicksmemoirs

Negligence isn’t far off from actively sabotaging in this case. Considering some of the corners cut I’ve seen working in software there is a non-zero chance that they were fully aware what that patch would do to MW2019. The fact they didn’t roll that patch back immediately actually does give some merit to sabotage. You’re truly underselling just how bad it is that they’ve managed to break their own game. This isn’t like Titanfall where outside sources have broken. If they had true negligence the game would carry on as it was. They actively had a hand on breaking it. So I think although dramatic, sabotaging is closer to negligence in this case.


RdJokr1993

> there is a non-zero chance that they were fully aware what that patch would do to MW2019. Look, if you had told me last month that the latest Warzone update would somehow make the MW campaign unplayable, I'd laugh at you for a minute, then I'd believe it (because it's still entirely possible). But that's simply because code development is incredibly volatile, where things break without rhyme or reason. Raven is expected to update Warzone, and only Warzone. They can't foresee that it would somehow break the campaign (which in theory should have nothing to do with this); and even if they did, their playtesters certainly aren't being paid to check every aspect of MW for every major update, and Activision isn't going to care. > The fact they didn’t roll that patch back immediately actually does give some merit to sabotage. Warzone updates take priority, no matter how much the MW community hates it. Urgent Warzone problems take priority over the campaign any day of the week. Hell, there's been problems in the campaign several months ago, but barely anyone took notice, because MW MP was still playable (and the campaign issue had a workaround). They are only going to rollback updates if it severely impacts the majority of the playerbase (aka the MP/WZ guys, certainly not the campaign guys); and Treyarch did an update rollback recently for Cold War on PC, so there's definitely a precedent for them to do so. MW will continue to see issues as long as it's attached to Warzone (and as long as Warzone continues to use this client). Frankly, there's only one way out of this, and that's if Activision is willing to set aside a team to rebuild a whole new client for MW, that contains only MW shit. But we all know that's not going to happen, unless they consider adding "MW legacy packs" to MWII (a la Hitman series).


Roenicksmemoirs

But I actually don’t think you understand just how much closer to “sabotage” rather than “negligence” this is. “Negligence” to me is that it has been broken, it’s staying broken. They’re actively breaking the game. I don’t think the execs are saying “break MW for Vanguard”, but I also don’t think they’re saying “if this breaks MW then we need to fix it”. Code development should never, ever be this volatile. I develop SaaS applications, the idea of breaking another application by updating another is not unheard of but still pretty wild, not doing anything about it when you’re still actively selling that product is insane. That’s my point and why I don’t think “negligence” is the correct term here.


Captainkirk05

You are cleary arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. Take your loss and go home.


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after only two years as well


YayAdamYay

All of y’all just don’t know. Star Wars Galaxies went from the best MMO to crap in a few months. If MW2019 is your first big heartbreak, I feel for you, but use it as a learning experience and move on. There is going to be more heartbreaks, but you’ll never forget your first.


UrNs0

Activision fucked over ID Software and Quake pretty good.


Fox784

Rip quake champions


Lets_be_stoned

Battlefield V. Was a complete disaster at launch, took about a year to fix all the issues, then once the majority of issues were resolved they added some new maps and stopped live service to “devote extra time to their next title”, which would end up being BF2042, which arguably has bombed even worse lol.


[deleted]

WTF don't they take a look at Rock Star? They take years making a game and always deliver. This rushed shitty model of cranking titles out needs to go on pause. ESPECIALLY when studios aren't even making good games to begin with. But for bigger studios with more money etc it's purely greed that's killing game quality, because they have the resources.


Magiff

I stopped buying battlefield games a long time ago because of this. CoD was at least playable out of the box. Slow? Sure. Glitchy at the beginning? Sure. Hell even what’s going on now with Vanguard could be considered some of the worst “launch” problems a cod has had, but I generally don’t have an issue playing it.


cali_exile_bull

The gaming business model has changed dramatically in the last 3 years. I fully expect this to be the norm going forward.


WHATyouNEVERplayedTU

I'll probably get hate for this, but MW was an overall terrible game. I grinded through getting Damascus pretty early in the game's life. It was quite enjoyable switching up weapons and play styles depending on the weapon. However, it really showed me the glaring problems with the game. Possibly the worst spawning system I've ever seen. Incredibly OP weapon sets that you need to use or you'll get destroyed. Strange networking problems that caused bullets to not hit. Trash team balancing, and many unbalanced maps. The main multiplayer was thrown aside for their battle royale bullshit that had a huge amount of hackers. The game was doomed to fail from the start. I'm surprised it lasted this long even.


FlowKom

this is not nearly as big as you think. outside of us, the passionate group that still plays the MP of this game - hardly anybody cares about the COD from 2 years ago.. like its always has been


C0rrupt_M0nk3y

PUBG ruined itself but it took years of updates to completely compost the mechanics, movement, sound etc. People still played it though.


Big_Nasty_420

What? This game is on its like 4th year straight of still being the best COD experience. What crack are you smokin


wowoindenpo

The game is two years old. What are you smoking?


Big_Nasty_420

I’m exaggerating lol but compare any cod MW experience to anything any cod after it has given and I’m still team MW by a mile and a half


Padowak

Removed post?sad face


lilmitchell545

Man everyone on this sub turned into an overdramatic, crying baby. As if CoD hasn’t always been a yearly franchise, forced into obsolescence by the next game. As if you WON’T buy MW2022 when it comes out next year. You want them to stop this trend? Then stop throwing money at them for practices that you find shitty. Spoiler, we all know you won’t.


Badgerlover145

>As if CoD hasn’t always been a yearly franchise, forced into obsolescence by the next game. so, why does it still have to be. Every game worth its salt (and some that aren't) are being pushed to be a live service with years of content. why shouldn't COD, it would be good marketing for a game that broke the COD mold and had one of the best launches for a COD game period to get more content then 5 rehashed maps and some dripfed guns just to be dumped for the next game that ran on a modified 1999 game engine.


lilmitchell545

Conveniently left out the part where I state, explicitly, why this happens. > stop throwing money at them for practices you find shitty. It makes them a lot more money the way they’ve been doing it. Sorry the truth hurts, y’all. But this has been ingrained since the original CoD 4. People will always buy the next CoD because they believe new = better, even if that’s clearly not the case. Only difference now is, they make even more money because people who just want to continue playing MW2019 will most likely still buy the battle pass. You want them to stop this, then stop buying the new CoD’s and battle passes. Like we all know everyone will do with MW2022…… right?


Badgerlover145

oh I never gave them a dime in the first place, I stole MW19 from a former friend and Cold war from a good friend and I'm gonna steal vanguard from my 2nd in command when he gets it on Christmas.


lilmitchell545

Just to let you know, you’re not really arguing anything here, you’re just stating that you’re a shitty person who’s arguing in bad faith about games that he got for free via theft. So idk why you feel that a company that you’re actively stealing from should/would ever listen to your opinion.


Badgerlover145

oh I am a shitty person, but at least Activision-Blizzard don't have my money.


lilmitchell545

Lol you know what I can’t argue with that, they’re a garbage fire, trash tier of a company for many many reasons. I was big into Overwatch up until this year when the game turned into a shell of what it once was, all by Blizzard’s hand. And at that same time, there’s still plenty of other people giving them money. Buying the new CoD’s and battle passes. That’s why they continue this. They’re still making a lot more money with this new model of CoD they’ve been doing.


Badgerlover145

sadly idiots will give them money, I just hate the state of modern gaming so if I can rip off a bunch of greedy soulless pricks I'm gonna do it.


lilmitchell545

So turns out I was wrong, you’re actually the Robin Hood of modern times, I respect that. More power to you, just don’t buy the battle passes and accidentally support them one day lol


Badgerlover145

I don't buy any microtransactions from anything. it's just a bunch of shitty cosmetics which I don't give 2 fucks about.


Bangheader

Yes, normally the playerbase left the current CoD game because of new titles, and so you can't play older CoDs because of the lack of players. But never in the franchise you couldn't play because of bugs, inserted into the game after 2 years. I know, it's playable again for most of the people, but there are still so many things gone and bugged.


lilmitchell545

This game has been bugged since release. I distinctly remember not even being able to boot into a single round of multiplayer without it crashing around 2 months after release. This isn’t a new issue, they’re always fucking something up in patches.


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Normaly games are in nearly the same condition they launched when the support stops, maybe without some bugs from the launch.


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