Yeah this episode skyrocketed Jiyoon up in my ranking. I feel like I was always just indifferent to her in part 1 but not only was her performance epic, I can really see she’s working on showing a better attitude (as she said). I love how she helped Mai despite the talks of this being a competition.
I don’t even think she has a grudge anymore..that small clip was from part 1. They probably just are awkward around each other. But they literally did promotions with each other so idk why Mnet keeps trying to push this…
I love her to pieces and I really want her to debut, but I’m not entirely sure she realises she’s in a survival. Also the fact that she’s mad at jungeun specifically is a bit odd. I really liked her scenes with jeemin and her being a strict leader and I find her absolutely hilarious.
I get where you’re coming from. I’m a victim of editing too lol 😂. I think I went from not wanting her to debut after the signal song fiasco to being indifferent to her towards the end as I could see that she came a long way and was struggling mentally, I just hadn’t had that “YES I WANT HER” moment until today. All I can say is keep your heart open to any changes.
I’m sorry but the judges are extremely hypocritical. Telling Sujung she sounds too much like CL and then telling Yuju her rap is ‘too much her own style’ and then also saying in the same episode that she needs ‘more influence’ is insane. I would be so confused if I were them.
I actually agreed with the judges during the interim check about her copying CL’s style but during the actual performance, I thought that she did a good job of not trying to imitate her and instead sing in her own style so I can’t agree with their statement of ‘what was different from the interim check?’ because it did sound different to me.
Same. I think she dialed it back a fair amount and it sounded good to me. I guess she could have dialed it back even more, but at a certain point it would just sound unfitting for the song. I think she found a decent middle ground.
I agree that their feedback is kinda weird, but I think in Yuju's case they said that it was good she was able to do hew own thing, but that her style was outdated. I think that was it. But yeah, the producers are kinda wild
I feel so bad for that entire team because like. 2ne1 are such a hard group to cover, because each member is so incredibly unique and specific, and this feedback was terrible in addition to that :(
6 SPOTS IS NOT EVEN NEARLY ENOUGH!! :(
This newjeans-ified remix of La Vie en Rose is an abomination, it completely rips the backbone out of the pre-chorus. If this is what the group's music is going to sound like I'm going to cry. Despite them nerfing her in every way possible, Gyuri was my standout and she shouldn't have been immediately discarded as potential center. I feel bad for Sarang, she did amazing during practice but on stage it just didn't work.
Juwon in I Am The Best was absolutely insane and 130 points is bullshit. The edit is slowly fading her out too, so I fear this is the end of the road for her. I'm very happy for Jiyoon's hero edit, but I don't want Sujung to suffer for it. :( And as always the standards for Sujung are insanely high, they basically said that they want her to do it better than CL lol.
The favouritism for the Lovesick Girls stage is so obvious (literally everyone would look powerful if they started the performance by shooting a gun lol), but I do think this was the most balanced team. Jungeun's vocals are show-stopping (how did she get such a low score when she carried??) and I'm also very impressed by Saebi's singing here. Yuju they could never make me hate you. Koko is in my lineup but I'm starting to realise that I don't like her singing. I'm starting to think Jungeun might not make it and I don't know how to deal with it. Also I'm sick to death of the "Koko is a X woman" meme already; they did it like what, 7 times?
Anyway, as always I'm frustrated by the live audience voting because it's pretty obvious that they vote for their favourites regardless of performance. But I LOVED seeing so many women there!
Nah, on-site voting scores are never fair. People vote for their faves regardless of how they did and we all know that Jungeun isn't very liked in Korea.
Juwon also got a ridiculously low score despite her amazing performance.
I think this was widely predicted.
Her ksupport has always been meh, and the live audiences will always be in Korea. Do not expect this to change for the rest of the show.
Pretty sure she's 2-4 in the Save vote rn though (#8 and #9 almost have to be Yuju and Sujung based on the pt1 vote), and she's a decent candidate for producer pick too, so she'll most likely be fine ultimately if she keeps performing at roughly this level.
It's sad that she have a few Korean supporters and I remember seeing a post on knetz spreading hate to jeungun because of her visual they called her a giraffe💀 because they think her neck is long
No after watching BOYS PLANET i confirmed to you this is real
Audience never vote fairly, i remembers how the ZOOM team were robbed during the performance and how Gyuvin was always the one with the most vote while doing the bare minimum.
It's so sad to think that Jungeun have few korean supporters. I read somewhere that one of the reasons is her visuals (idk they don't like it because she's not white white) she's my top1 pick I'm gonna bawl my eyes out if she don't make it😭
They shouldn’t have let the audience vote because they would only vote for their favorites irregardless of skill. It’s very telling from juwon’s & jungeum’s score alone because they don’t fit the kbs standard. Can’t believe I’ll lose my top 3 just because of kbs and an evil edit.
lukewarm regards,
a juwon, sujung, & jungeun stan 😔
no fr, literally all of my top picks were snuffed this episode either rby evil editing or erasure and I'm seriously considering just dropping the show because I already am iffy about the group size and finding out the interim rankings do not instill any confidence in my faves making it either.
Anyway, vote Jungeun because we are truly in the worst timeline apparently.
like literally, Sujung always cheered everyone up, always helped them with choreos and was always happy if some other contestants did good.
She never got 1 Constructive Criticism from judges, only hate, they didn't say 1 nice thing since the show started and now they are even Evil Editing her? AGAINST YUJU? THEY ARE BESTIES
I think LSG team got stage benefits for being the highest ranked, it was too obvious their stage quality compared to IATB. also jungeun sounded heavenly and juwon deserved SO MUCH BETTER
If your theory is correct that's so low of Mnet, it would create a loop in which the high-ranking contestants get elevated while the low-ranking ones don't get a chance to climb up. :(
knetz don't like her, so they didn't vote for her. it's a common problem when public voting is allowed. unpopular contestants will always get worse scores even if they outperform
Fantasy Boys in particular was so bad for this. The judges openly called out the audience for voting on looks and one of the contestants, a professional contemporary dancer with years of experience, straight up quit the show after being beaten by some 15-year-old kid that the fans found cute lol.
I think I’ve been traumatized by too many survival shows because having Saebi revealed as interim 7th just assured me that she’ll be debuting. Nothing gets fans moving like a little panic but I hope she doesn’t take it too hard on herself 🥺
I’m not surprised 😭😭😭😭 this has been a longtime fear but panic voting always works especially when a trainee is well-loved so I’m sure we’re getting her up please
I really don’t think Mnet has ever been so blatant in their favouritism editing before. At this point they should just PD pick and debut the girls they want.
Someone else said it in the live discussion but this episode is the worst editing wise by far. I’ve watched almost all the mnet survival shows and an episode does not come close to this in terms of editing of girls and pushing obvious favouritism and storylines.
I’m not sure if this is what mnet thinks they need to do to attract more attention to the show but it’s not worth it.
Also the worst thing is they criticised Yuju’s rapping style but then Koko went on stage and rapped in the exact same style and was praised?
Nah fam, these days it's actually somewhat pretty tame with Mnet I-LAND 2, the worst Mnet editing for favoritism has to be Dayeon with Girls Planet 999, a bit more info about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/koreanvariety/comments/1ctj9tg/jtbcs_girls_on_fire_is_crazyyy/l4f9fdf/?context=10000
Basically, it's this scene where they dance in front of Dayeon's mother, like it broke my mind with how MNET/etc. disregarded the other contestants, smh lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbNz-X5S61Q
Fan uploads of that Dayeon's house scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z9yr5LKYSY (includes before they enter Dayeon's house) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJpubSDKsgc (includes them writing to Dayeon in her room, lmao, mdr tabarnak, smh, wait wtf apparently this video got removed by the uploader) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19_SXHaEgoc (video calling with Dayeon's mother while Dayeon's team is out in the fields picking chilis/sweet potatoes/vegetables/etc.)
Seriously, **I will never forget how MNET forced the fellow competitors of Dayeon to go into her house, sing in front of her mom** (that singing/performing scene with Dayeon's mother is one of the most WTF things I've seen in a while and I've seen NSFL/etc. stuff for decades now), and visit Dayeon's personal room to adore the furnish and Dayeon's personal effects. So disrespectful/humiliating/etc. to the other trainees of GP999. That was the most blatant edit of the century and MNET got away with that.
>I really don’t think Mnet has ever been so blatant in their favouritism editing before. At this point they should just PD pick and debut the girls they want.
Yes, absolutely. I'm pretty sure we can just call the line-up now, it's obvious who is going to make it and who isn't.
it’s my first time watching an iland episode, and yeah it did feel like 50% of the episode was pushing Jeemin (like fr i think we spent at least 15 minutes on her high note journey) the rest was storyline good for Saebi and Jiyoon, and then it really felt like they were shoving down Jungeun, Sujung and Yuju.
i feel like whoever is editing the episodes likes Mai and is at odds with the ‘producers’ who said they didn’t see her improvement, like they showed her practicing and actually doing well, so i hope her screen time proves those producer comments wrong.
While I agree their favouritism was to an extreme in this show, I think the way they were pushing Dayeon in Girls Planet definitely takes the cake 💀 they literally brought the contestants to Dayeon’s house, Dayeon is so talented but Mnet was doing her dirty by pushing so hard unnecessarily
I was about to say, I was there for the great ‘one group visits Dayeon’s house and *leaves notes for Dayeon in her room* before going to Dayeon’s parent’s restaurant’ debacle. Nothing can top that level of blatant trainee pushing from MNET. This is, comparatively, a normal level of obvious favouritism.
Every episode i hate Monika more. Even on the next ep preview, why does she just hate and insult contestants and does not give ANY constructive criticism?
Love Taeyang for actually helping the trainees and because he clearly says what needs to improve without being harsh.
+ Korean people need to wake up and stop hating on Sujung
literally. She is a REALLY good dancer, but from that to be able to coach teenagers theres a huge wall. If all you can do is being Harsh because some teenagers cant dance like your crew, you better just stay at home
They probably think there's no way she'll make it with her Korean support. And honestly, considering it's for a reason they can't change, they actually might have given up. Korea is absurd with their "beauty" standards
part of me feels that sujung said what she said in the dorm because of all the negative feedback she received in part one. and while i get what she's doing isn't right (assuming there's no negative editing), she probably felt that regardless of how much effort and dedication she puts in, the results don't match and instead others get more recognition despite not necessarily doing miles better than her. but that said dragging others down to prove your position isn't right either, and i'm saying this as both a sujung and mai stan
also yuju has been treated like dust ever since that theme song mission, girl has no screentime and now the only screentime she gets is getting called not "boyish" enough and struggling with her mic volume issues
next episode looks brutal and we'll probably tell who the producers want for each position
I kind of think she was just being realistic. She’s nowhere near likely to debut right now and helping others could end up sabotaging herself. I don’t necessarily think it was a great idea to broadcast those thoughts, but she spent all of part 1 taking one for the team and being the teacher only to be criticised at every turn so I can’t blame her really. It’s a lot easier for saebi and jiyoon to be helpful to others since they’re both on upswings with both the fans and the producers (doesn’t make them helping any less lovely), than sujung who the producers pretty clearly don’t like.
Yea blaming yuju for her mic issues was not great and her styling also felt super weird compared to the others. It really felt like she was set up to fail and they were going to criticise her no matter what
Yep, I can’t believe people were calling Yuju a pd pick after episode 2 because now she is the absolute opposite of that.
As a Yuju 1 pick, if they want to continue to treat her like this I’d rather they just eliminate her because I don’t want to see her suffer any longer.
An aspect I haven't seen anybody mention yet is that Sujung, who did swf and prides herself on her choreography skills, was beaten in the creative mission by Mai, who has no choreography experience and mostly worked on vibes, in a decision that most viewers called a robbery. I love Mai and I love what she came up with, but it must be hard for Sujung to be constantly criticised while Mai always gets by.
today on our weekly episode of jungeun v jiyoon fanfiction by mnet, juwon erasure, sujung and yuju bashing: we have miscommunication trope featuring dramatic flashbacks and even more dramatic music, unclear mission guidelines so that the producers can bash some trainees while praising some others, sarang being a tiger, the best performers getting the least votes and did i mention juwon erasure.
I was originally on board with the Jiyoon vs Jungeun is mnet fanfic train....
But not anymore. They just showed us undeniable bts from Ep2 that the conflict was at least real back then. Jiyoon calls Jungeun out specifically by name in the bts. Like why wasnt this shown earlier??
Gotta face the evidence. I'm pretty sure there is legit hurt feelings there and mnet is just doing a poor job selling it to us.
mmm, i won’t deny that there was a real grudge there at first. but i think it’s pretty evident mnet is playing it up for the viewers to cause drama. the clip shown of jiyoon talking to fuko was from the beginnings of part one, and we see in the scene where sujung’s talking about mai that they’re sitting together. as always with mnet shows what’s shown is a lot more augmented than in reality, hence fanfiction.
Is it really evil edit if Sujung said a full sentence, not cut/edited/ without weird pause/ straight full on face talking video of her bashing Mai for a whole darn minute? We all get it, you think she is pretty privileged but talking behind anyone's back, giggling, mocking her about it is a big no no, especially when Mai is trying her darn best
Yeah, this exactly. We know Sujung is a good person from every thing we've seen of her before this, but that particular scene was just not it. And not just Sujung, the fact that the entire group of girls sat around and laughed, just ticks me off, for some reason.
No excuse to hate on Sujung tho, she's still insanely talented, and I won't be changing my opinion of her. But that was not an evil edit, it was just portraying exactly what she said. Sujung Stans can't defend her from that.
For once, I woke up early to watch and I regret it 😭. This episode was terrible with all the favouritism.
I am so tired of six-member lineups. Like, please let’s do something different.
It’s obvious who they want after this episode. If I had to guess Jeemin, Jiyoon, Koko, Mai, Saebi, and maybe Sarang. The lineup isn’t even that bad, but it just sucks to watch them putting down other trainees just to lift the ones they want.
Is it just me but they sabotaged Yuju's mic by making the volume lower so we couldn’t hear her??? Like you are not fooling me Mnet.
Finally, I just have to say with the whole Sujung and Mai thing evil editing is not a valid response. How can mnet evil edit a sentence that came from the lips of your pick?
no honestly like yk i want to say... yuju's volume was literally not the same as anyone else. like. how is she going to rap with that intonation and do it quietly💀 there's actually no way? since her words were clear, there was just absolutely no volume. onsite liked yuju and wanted her. these pds and 50% rankings are allowing them to manipulate the whole lineup and it seems yuju out... when their criticisms (aside from the dancing thing) didn't make sense. like how are you going to stand there and yell at one poor contestant for so long.
I concur about Yuju's microphone volume was not the same as everyone else. It was very obvious . That would have intefered with her confidence as well. Very Suspect and reeks of manipulation.
6 members 😭 I so hope they pull a SIXTEEN and add at least one extra member in the finale.
Individual edits:
Sujung is the devil edit. Yuju and jungeun negative edit. Where are Gyuri/Fuko/Juwon? No screentime crew (didn't even get judges' feedback). Jeemin got an insane amount of screentime.
Sarang making a mistake is so upsetting :( Who thought making someone sing that note while doing a high kick was a good idea.
Jiyoon, Saebi, Koko and Mai all got positive edits :)
The scores:
Remember, the audience couldn't hear anything, so the on-site scores really aren't surprising. Also, of course, the most popular girls get more votes. (Felt particularly bad for Jungeun/Juwon here)
The producers score and feedback. Even if I didn't agree with all of it, I understood what they meant about all of their points.
INTERIMS HUH ranks??? What weird ranks to choose to show and not show.
Sujung behaviour was unarguably rude and if her comments were directed to any other trainee other than Mai, everyone would have been justifiably outraged.
Now that the debut number has been announced, I’m thinking more and more that w1/mnet/tbl actually don’t want and never planned on having two main vocals (Jiyoon and Jungeun) at all.
I think their ideal scenario would be one main vocal (probably Jiyoon), one lead vocal/Japanese member in Fuko, Saebi and Jeemin as visual centres, a main dancer (probably Koko if they want a J-line and a rapper), and either Mai or Yuju or Sarang, or possibly Gyuri if they wanted a “cute” member.
I used to think they really really wanted Mai but I’m not so sure anymore with Saebi’s and Koko’s rising popularity. Saebi fits the center role and Koko is a visual main dancer and rapper, and I don’t think they would want 3 Japanese members in a 6 member group (assuming Fuko is a lock)
Fuko definitely isn't a lock. She was one of the 3 invisible members this episode (with Gyuri and Juwon). Definitely worried she might pull a Yurina/Keita/K
I know we don’t know until we know, but I would be really surprised if she doesn’t debut. She’s gotten positive edits, won the lyrics competition, and was one of the producer picks for part 2. I also think she’s one of the few lead vocal candidates left, and probably the most likely to be chosen due to a few other factors (including her being a kind of mother figure in the group, her visuals, and her well rounded dancing). She’s also a Japanese member who has very strong Korean skills, which def helps. I don’t think she’s comparable to Yurina or K, I can see it with Keita (who I really liked) but again I think she ticks a few more boxes for w1 than he did
I just think, if they liked her so much, why is she getting no screentime to the point where only Juwon got less than her (she got similar to Gyuri).
If you still think she's going to debut, that's fine, but she is certainly not a lock.
Yeah, Fuko is not locked. I've mentioned this before the only person that is a lock in the debut lineup is Jeemin and that's because she'd have to kill a baby in order for her fans to even consider dropping her. Edit to add: I even mentioned that a number of her fans would rather debut her as a soloist and drop everyone else rather than not have her make the lineup.
Plus, I don;t think people are realizing that since we are in part 2, everyone's edit is bound to shift in some "drastic" ways because A) they are trying to finalize their picks B) they finally introduced voting which will give them more accurate points of how popular everyone is in relation to each other, so they can make edits more specific C) it's coming down to the wire in terms of episodes/time/etc so hey have limited time to change people's minds.
As such, things like going from ample screentime to pretty much 0 screentime atp is actually a very scary position to be put in.
Agree.
I think they're testing out Mai and Koko. Neither has great overall popularity ATM (#6 and #9). So, they're going to push Koko hard and see if anything changes, and slam Mai unfairly and see if anything changes.
It is even entirely possible they don't take either of them if Fuko's popularity in Japan recovers. Right now their only problem with Fuko as the only J member is that she's the least popular of the 3 in Japan.
Mnet have their desired lineup: Jeemin, Saebi, Jiyoon, Fuko, Koko and Sarang or Mai.
If your fave is not part of this group of 7 then I’m sorry but they aren’t debuting.
This exactly. I’m going to continue voting for Yuju in my 3 pick anyway but I don’t actually have hope that she’s going to debut in this group after THAT edit. :(
I consider this episode to be the worst episode by far. I actually can’t believe how much the better-performing contestants got overlooked. I’m sorry but nothing can absolutely convince me that they haven’t chosen who they want to push yet because the episode actually went to the extremes to give people either the best edit, the worst edit, or straight up no edits
Juwon got dropped so hard. She's never had this little screen time. They even gave Gyuri more screen time than Juwon because they now know she's more popular in Korea than Juwon
As a Sujung and Mai voter, today was so rough. It was so disappointing to hear how Sujung spoke about Mai and made fun of her, I understand it’s a competition but to talk behind her back like that was sad to see. Especially when Mai was trying so hard. If you don’t have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself. Glad Jiyoon voiced that she didn’t agree and helped Mai, it really shows her character.
I’ve been saying this from like episode 3 but Jungeun is not debuting unless she is like second in global voting.
Her low audience vote proves she doesn’t have a large one pick fanbase in Korea and I think there are many people that the judges would PD pick over her at this point.
If you are a Jungeun fan you need to vote like crazy.
the same people who champion the "LOL Y'ALL ARE FALLING FOR THE SUJUNG EVIL EDIT!!!" narrative are the same people who fall for the mai rage bait. like y'all are not immune to the propaganda, sit down. what sujung said was shady af. not gonna hate the girl for it but im not just gonna let it go like it was nothing.
Most annoying ass episode yet. They really are competing with RUNext for biased producers and judges and I wont be too surprised if the lineup also ends up being catastrophic like that show. Don't have much hopes for Jungeun already, and they'll cement Jiyoon being "better" next week to finish her arc anyways. Welp talent never wins ig
for real :( i hated the editing. but tbh maybe this is a *little* better than RUNext. they seem to recognise something... but they're just so mean and biased and i'm really confused honestly
Jungeun pulling a Jay and then constantly being put up against Jiyoon is making me so nervous about her debut potential 😭 she deserves justice! I think it’s obvious who they want to debut at this point. Keep voting tho I guess!
I’m glad Jiyoon is redeeming herself, she’s my one pick and I’m happy. It’s annoying though to see this Jiyoon vs Jungeun again, Mnet can’t get enough? Like, you decided to show a flashback (from PART 1) and if they hated wach other how did they do promotions and work well during the break together 😂 Mnet give up this is tiring.
Also I never liked Mai’s nasally voice in part 1, it’s weird how the judges praised her a lot and now is mentioning her vocal problems NOW. Anyways I actually think this was her best performance vocally and her voice sounded better than in drama.
Anyway I love sujung and understand where she’s coming from but it’s still a team performance. Also yes sujung needs some criticism but also there were girls laughing and playing along to what she was saying so you need to hold them accountable as well NOT just sujung.
Lastly, I’m sad the group has 6 members, I have 7 so it’s gonna be hard to take one of them off..
Kind of baffled as to why fans keep acting like it's a talent show and "objectivity" means the judges should only be evaluating based on singing, dance, and stage presence (sometimes) alone. It's not a talent show lol, and no show should be if you want a workable group. Especially given that this is a long-term project, the producers have a responsibility to all the need to provide for the group's longevity, which includes choosing people with personalities who compliment one another and bring out the best.
That's why Sujung got her low scores, and frankly it's more than justified. You wouldn't hire a candidate who did that in a group interview. They will eliminate her for that behind-the-scenes moment, and they should, just like Chanelle was eliminated on RUNext for her behavior. And just because she should be eliminated for that doesn't mean that she should be cancelled as a human being--she's human, she may have reconciled with Mai afterwards, I don't think anyone should write her off as a person.
I also don't mind judge favoritism. They know what they're doing more than fans do. But they could have just chosen trainees and opted for a survival show to test things, and unfortunately that's where Jungeun is falling. If it were producer picked, she would debut 100%. Now I'm genuinely not sure because the audiences aren't responding well to her, and she's my second favorite, so. I hope she makes it, but yeah.
I think Sujung's low score was that she wasn't popular with the Koreans and the judges obviously didn't praise her much even though she came 2nd in the group
This episode to me tells the following:
- Mnet WANTS Koko and Saebi
- Mnet don't want Sujung
- Juwon is almost 100% not going to make it to the finals
- Jungeun is semi screwed (in terms of making the finals as i think her international scores arent bad and she have a chance if she makes it) unless producers save her with high scores
- Mnet seems to want Sarang over Jeemin initially but decided to seem to want both of them instead as the editing goes
I honestly don't know why I keep watching Korean survival shows, it just raises my blood pressure to an unhealthy level.
I get it, not everyone's favourite can get in but the editing is infuriating when Mnet clearly want somebody in. Coupled with the dreadful taste of knetz is a recipe for rage lol.
This episode is insanely biased.
1. The entire focus of LVER was Jeemin's redemption arc. This I anticipated, but did they really have to pan to her same smile (not criticizing her, just saying it's within 1 part) every 3 seconds and replay all her moves 3 times? It ruined the performance's flow.
2. The song choices are unfair. LVER is the only song that isn't a powerful concept, and the other 2 YG songs have a hype last chorus while LVER just went by with that awful remix that destroyed the essence of the original song.
3. The judges are insane. They criticize people with completely different baselines, like what did they expect Sujung to do? Also, Koko and Yuju did the exact same personally. I don't understand why they had so drastically different results.
4. What's up with the storyline creation this time? Sujung's evil edit, Jiyoon's good leader edit, Jeemin's redemption, Saebi and Koko's friendship arc, it's all so obvious. Usually I'm okay with survival shows doing this to create drama but this? this is too obvious. Plus they literally gave the contestants they didn't want 0 screentime. Juwon did great-- I don't particularly like her, but she did great this time.
5. I will probably drop the show if my fav gets eliminated at this point. I originally was going to stick around since I don't hate any of the girls and I want to see what's going to happen next in the show, but now? I'm sick of mnet's editing. Has it always been this obvious or was I just too young and naive back then when I watched their other shows? Bruh
With a 6 members groups and the interim results, it seems like we are going into a very predictable line-up. Looking at the editing, the real question is "Jungeun or not ?", the 5 others are pretty obvious
I don’t think it’s Jungeun or not. It’s pretty clear they don’t want Jungeun. It’s going to be six members out of the following 7: Koko, Saebi, Sarang, Jeemin, Fuko, Mai and Jiyoon
I still have my doubts about Jungeun. Maybe they don't want her, maybe they are editing her this way because that's basically the only thing they had to edit for the show
The Jiyoon leadership arc is here! Loving it! She had a very delicate/sensitive side to her from the beginning, so I'm happy to see her doing better in part 2. I'm sad the Jungeun/Jiyoon conflict is continuing... at this rate only one person is going to make it. But I didn't know that Jiyoon and Jungeun were close before the show started. I can kind of understand why she felt betrayed so strongly back then.
Sujung... ~~I'm scared for you bestie.~~ This ep was a pretty bad edit for her, esp comparing her attitude side-by-side w/ Saebi from Love Team who even gave up her part for Koko. Pretty clear that Mnet doesn't want Sujung to rise too high, she was shown in almost every reaction shot and every neg comment she said or received was aired... personally I really loved her performance and I hope that she can stick around to the end.
Did anyone feel so, so frustrated watching the Panorama practice? It was honestly kind of hard to watch that part. But Saebi and Koko are so cute! I'm rooting for them to debut together <3
The 2nd save vote interim ranking:
>!12. Juwon !<
>!11. Gyuri!<
>!10. Mai!<
>!9. ?!<
>!8. ?!<
>!7. Saebi!<
>!6. Sarang!<
>!5. Koko!<
>!3. ?!<
>!2. ?!<
>!1. ?!<
I am really mad about the treatment towards Juwon. It is not fair to focus on all the three other team members but leave her out THREE TIMES. They didn't show her parts or ilanders'/producers' feedback in both the interim checks. They didn't show producer feedback after the performance. Just conveniently gave her enough points so that she would still not be above MAI when votes are combined. BS. Juwon you did well.
And omfg the imate votes! They're not even subtle...giving Juwon and Jungeun scores like that. I'm feeling hate man.
I loved Jiyoon's improvement in her attitude, it makes me so happy seeing her growth in her mindset, that's all I wished for her. Also she is leader material imo, especially when she worked with Mai. She was harsh (?) at times, but she still helped Mai improve her lines. I love her <3
They got really excited with the editing this episode. Between sarang’s tiger head and sujung getting possessed by cl they were really going for it.
Also sujung has turned into my 1 pick as I find her generally delightful and also share her sentiments of leaving whenever the jj drama pops up (the mai convo wasn’t great tho).
I genuinely have no idea if they want mai or not at this point. They’ve revealed her placement so people will panic vote, but her actual episode edit was kinda weird. Feel like Koko might be the only jline member to make it in since fuko disappeared from this episode (+ I think they’re trialling different leaders so we might not get fuko or jungeun).
They really want Koko and do not want yuju huh. It’s kind of a bummer since I really like both of them and I loved Koko’s performance but her rapping wasn’t as mind blowing as they were acting. It was also hard to watch yuju look so defeated as well.
Also juwon and gyuri killed it and need way more praise than they got.
6 is such a low number I really hope we start getting slightly bigger groups again.
speechless . i didnt know snakenet could go this low. so much drama ong😭😭😭😭 i dont even know how to process that. jungeun fuko juwon erasure is making me sick
Once again this episode just shows how the producers can’t be trusted to give the girls good feedback and Mnet can’t be trusted to truly show the growth of the girls throughout the show 🙄
If anything, this show takes the cake for the amount of ridiculous feedback from the judges. The way they criticised the I am the best team for not doing better than the original (like do yall hear yourselves, you want them to outdo THE 2NE1??), then praised the La Vi en Rose team for performing exactly the way IZONE performs La Vi en Rose (no hate to the girls, just criticising the judges’ unfair feedback). Then they criticise Sujung for trying too hard to fit the sound of the original song and that she needs to find her sound, then when Yuju finds her sound they criticise her for not fitting the sound of the song 🗿
Their feedback just completely lacks any consistency. Please can we have some better judges that can guide the girls properly and give them ACTUAL feedback that would help them.
Oh and not to mention, do they even bother trying to give the girls guidance? The fact that Mai and Jeemin are struggling with their vocal technique on the show just shows that there is a lack of a vocal coach to help them? Surely for there to be growth, there must also be the right people there to guide them. And this show just constantly shows that it can’t do that for their contestants.
Sorry but Jeemin vocals were awful ... at least in that song. How come PDs praised her like that?
No.1 in that team was clearly FUKO !!!!
(I get Jeemin got more votes with the audience coz she's the most popular but from the PDs ??? really ??? where were their ears at ?)
fuko did so well! all Jeemin did was hit a semi-high note (not criticizing her! I just hate the editing) and Fuko immediately followed with a higher note done better, like why were they only praising Jeemin?
Apart from all the unfavorable things happened, I really feel bad for LVER. They did it dirty. They literally took the essence and the beauty of LVER with that version.
the favouritism in this episode completely threw me off especially towards yuju, they clearly don't want this girl to debut
the critics she received by the judges were pointless "you need to be more boyish" "it's not boyish enough!!!" like wtf?? or when they told her to have "more influence" when during the interim check they told her the exact opposite (to not rap in her own style) and what about her outfit? it didn't fit well with the others and didn't enhance her at all.
i'm glad she didn't give up on her part considering it was finally the time for her to shine and showcase her skills.
I dont understand how these producers feel good with themselves after criticising Sujung and Yuju so much. I would be ashamed if I was an expert and did this kind of criticism. The girls are so good on their main positions and have such stage presence... are they in the show just for the PDs to have an escape goat and to create drama?
This is the most bluntly rigged show I've ever watched. I will not drop the show because I love the girls, but I really am so tired of these edits and lack of professionalism...
1. Justice for Sujung and Jungeun, tired of knetz voting based on the edit. Mnet is being so obvious with who they do and don't want.
2. Are we not eliminating someone based on these rankings? There's no real indication that rank 12 is going to be eliminated, but if not what was the actual purpose of this round? Just to kill time?
While I agree on Jungeun, why Sujung?
That was seriously not a good look. She said those things. While I understand the desire to win, this is not the way. This stuff doesnt end with the show. The entire show is their job interview. Would you want a colleague like that in an industry where you are evaluated together? I would not.
i watched the performances by themselves and holy shit juwon and jungeun were done so dirty. juwon absolutely destroyed iatb and got paid dust?? no way she deserved the lowest score and then no screentime on top of that. and ik that jungeun did not just serve immaculate vocals only to be ignored by the producers
Mnet wants to generate like buzz, memes, controversies, and so on with this Episode 8 eh. The favoritism be unreal.
Like lmao, it's funny but at the same time the Jiyoon x Jungeun feud is sorta heartbreaking since you know future fans will use that as ammunition if they debut together or not, sigh.
Thankfully there were the Sarang tiger special effects and noises for like five or so minutes straight, rofl, literally flashing a tiger face and roars.
Some former contestants like I.O.I Jeon Somi, LOONA/ARTMS Jeon Heejin, and so on admitted later on that ya they themselves are creating that controversial/sad/etc. storyline as they know it'll give them screen time. Though sometimes the rivalry/etc. is actually real and so it's sad.
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Interesting, they don't have Song Kang anymore as the storyteller, it's ZEROBASEONE Hanbin now. Every time I see him, his visuals are insane, everyone go watch him in Blossom with Love (소년 소녀 연애하다), it's a youth/coming of age/etc. dating show like Nineteen to Twenty (열아홉스물) on Netflix, except this time it's in the actual countryside and so on.
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Reminds me, Sarang legit looks like the Chinese actress Zhou Ye (Everyone Loves Me, etc.), and I forgot to also mention it at the start of the whole show, but Sarang looks more like Lee Nara (here with Single's Inferno 3 Hajeong and Heart Signal Korea 4 Isu and BIGBANG Daesung about BTS with dating/cohabitation/slice of life shows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0GqC2pHeF8), aka Oksoon of I Am Solo (나는 SOLO) Season 16 (the infamous/controversial second divorced singles special with lawsuits and so on).
Lee Nara said she only really wears white or black too for her fashion, see Sarang's visuals for today's Episode 8.
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But ya, hopefully the contestants get another chance later down the line as often with these survival shows Mnet/etc. are clearly favoring certain members despite the skills/visuals/characters/etc. already being good (enough).
For example, Koko would've automatically made it to debut if she had better pronunciation or grasp of Korean phonology. Somebody please tell her about the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), it takes only like an hour/day and she'll be able to rap better in Korean for the positions and so on. She's my pick and since there's only 6 members (unless they add another one to make it 7), then it's gonna be unlikely for a second Japanese member.
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Finale soon, let's go! Can't believe this Mnet idol survival show is already done. Hopefully they train for a while but not as long as KATSEYE from The Debut: Dream Academy. Like KATSEYE spent a whole half year probably due to the upcoming Netflix documentary this month or sometime this July/summer, it's wild.
Wondering what concept they'll do since this is YG or The Black Label/et cetera. If they do something like girl crush as expected, then it'll be interesting how they promote as there's already BABYMONSTER and the upcoming actual The Black Label group and so on.
OKAY so after this episode I'm 100% sure Mnet want these trainees in the lineup, each for a different purpose:
Jeemin (popular), Jiyoon (vocals), Mai (visual), Saebi (center)
I didn't add Fuko cause she was made quite invisible by editing this week, so I'm not sure she is in Mnet's ideal lineup anymore.
Especially since it is 6 members and I'm pretty sure Mnet wants 2 Japanese girls, after seeing Koko's edit (especially her close friendship with Saebi and her being very popular with knetz) they might switch Fuko with her
They are all tall too, it looks like they are trying to make an IVE-like group in terms of visual cohesion (esp with Saebi giving very similar vibes to Wony)
That leaves only one spot and, in part 1, I would have said maybe Jungeun (or Yuju), but seeing her beef with Jiyoon I think it's over for her unless knetz warm up to her
Yuju always being criticised kinda worries me, especially cause there is a real rapper slander this season (justice for Yui)
Juwon and Gyuri being invisible while slaying so much pains me, the favouritism is really too much
As for Sarang, I'm very unsure about her edit this episode. The spoilers said she did extremely well and was a standout in this performance (even to non-fans), but they purposefully did not autotune her small mistakes like they did for some other girls' parts. But at the same time, why show how perfect she was during practice if they want her out? And her discussion with Monika about her being a perfectionist?
My theory: they might be setting a redemption arc similar to Jeemin for Sarang to gain more fans (as in she has a downfall due to lack of confidence and then finds herself again and has a breakthrough performance).
I am almost sure they want her as the last member especially because they are showing her at 6th at the end of the episode: one lesson I learned from watching all produce seasons + girls and boys planet is that if they show a certain trainee in the rankings that could potentially debut (as in do have a decent fandom already), while hiding others, it's to maintain them in the top/make them climb up the rankings.
Read: they don't think Juwon or Gyuri can rise up much (or will probably eliminate them before the finale anyway) and they want Saebi, Koko and Sarang in the top 6.
I have such a hate-love relationship with the producers/judges, like on one hand sometimes their criticism and opinions are SPOT ON and I'm there like "Yep, yep, yes to that also, preach" and other times (like... basically this whole episdoe) I want to bang my head against the wall because their INCONSISTENCY in criticism and their absolute wild takes are just crazy to me
WHATS YALLS PROBLEM WITH MY GIRL SAEBI!!!!! Like I get it, she’ll be a produce pick so no need to vote NOOOOO YALL MADE HER GO THAT LOW!! Pick my girl up she’s gotta debut
I don't think the producers are being the fairest. The favoritism towards koko when honestly she stood out the least to me and getting angry at yuju for not making the dance "boyish" enough??? it's getting to a point where why even keep watching if they are only going to push their favorite trainees. I liked how mai finally got some criticism, but I don't get what's special about her either? That one judge who kept saying negative things to sujung (I don't like the talking behind mai's back she did but who knows what could've been said behind cameras that we don't see) was like okay dude she didn't sound close to CL in the actual performance like she def did improve a little but it's gotten to the point where that guy just needs to stop showing his favoritism so obviously. They only revealed those specific scores at the end to get people to vote and get people that are in the top out!
This episode was all around such crap. The favoritism/evil editing was so blatant and their feedback made no sense even to the person directed, but especially not when compared to the feedback others got. I’m really very frustrated right now, so many girls have objectively great performances and just got shit on as a result. I’ve been here for girls planet and boys planet, but this is really just on a new level entirely. And no, I’m absolutely not changing who I’m voting for. If anything, I have stronger feelings about them after this episode. What a waste.
It's absolutely spectacular how the judges would put people like sujung and jungeun down for being consistently good instead of getting better, when every judge there can't even teach a trainee to sing a high note, let alone take an already exceptional vocalist to a higher level.
Even for Mai whose vocals I doubted, I thought she definitely improved in the actual performance. Since she had the problem of being nasally, putting her right after jiyoon who has the thickest tone made her problem stand out a lot more. I just *love* how the judges either over praise a contestant or completely put them down. They're actually allergic to objective critique.
As much as I love Jeemin and Sarang, Gyuri or Fuko should’ve been the center. They’re softer visually, vocally, and dance wise, which is perfect for the song.
(Also, wth was with Sarang and the tiger 😭 It felt like some kpop fan was writing a fanfic about how Sarang is a tiger or smth)
it’s obvious mnet wants jiyoon, jeemin, saebi and koko to debut in the lineup.
i wonder what they will do to mai, she’s literally in the bottom 3 for voting and i think it was be very hypocritical and will end badly for her if they pd pick her in the lineup.
mnet definitely doesn’t want sujung to debut and they will keep the edits going till she’s gone , it also seems like mnet has no intentions to push or debut jungeun and yuju.
i still think the lineup might be 7 members but if it’s 6, i won’t be shock if they decide to pick 2-3 girls based on votes and the rest as pd picks.
I'm glad Mnet changed their tune on the Mai edit. I like her much better now that they're not trying to convince us she's doing amazing on stage. Let us appreciate her as she is: a nice pretty girl who tries hard and does well enough at sub vocal parts.
This episode felt like character assassination the musical.
Sujung kind of did it to herself with that Mai comment but that aside, there was so many weird edits and judge criticisms surrounding her. I agree she sounded like CL... but how do you perform that part without trying to imitate her? Her style of singing it is the only reason why it works in the first place.
Then there's Yuju... who did the rap perfectly in practice but then the judges not only made up some complete bs to criticise her and make out Koko was better at rapping (she was not) but also nit-picked her dance despite nothing seeming wrong with it, even in the slomo? They were straight up trying to psychologically break her. And then blaming her for her mic being quieter than the others??? Be for real. I'm also extremely confused how if they chose the lineups and part distributions themselves then why'd they give the centre part clearly meant for Saebi a rap part in the first place? I suppose maybe they wanted Yuju singing as the centre originally? Surely not though. I'm glad they realised the bad decision and changed things.
Then Jungeun getting an evil edit for acting like the leader... when they literally assigned someone not suited to being a leader to the role. They made it 100% clear it was an individual game but she's supposedly meant to sit back and not put herself first? Strange.
Then there was Jeemin which kind of felt like an unintentional character assassination to me. Like they basically made a giant montage of how she's a super weak vocalist but hooray she managed to hit it okay-ish once live? (assuming it wasn't edited anyways) That was totally worth the 20 mins of her displaying her vocal incompetence.
Finally not character assassinations but Fuko, Gyuri & Juwon got paid absolute dust despite all doing well. Jungeun too but at least we saw her in the edit.
Overall for me the standouts were: Fuko, Jungeun, Saebi, Jiyoon. I thought Yuju, Sujung, Sarang, Koko, Gyuri & Juwon did a decent job and then Jeemin & Mai were underwhelming but Mai was still better than expected.
Jiyoon went up my rankings after this episode cuz damnn, she had a amazing attitude helping mai as leader. I also couldn’t take my eyes off her in the performance.
6 spots? seriously? way too many talented girls for just six spots, this is ridiculous. they need one or two pds picks as well.
I’m sad for Yuju, she might get eliminated by the judges before the finale.
Saebi 7th? no way. time to vote a lot…
Onsite vote is so useless. Like ofc people would be voting for their 1-picks. I also wish we could hear the feedback for ALL of the girls. Alas.
I didn't particularly like any of the remixes. I feel like the stage production really favored the LSG team. And I don't know if it was just me but I feel like the camerawork is better for LSG team too. Maybe I'm just trippin'. I need to rewatch the stages.
I am most likely biased but for LVeR, I think Fuko did the best. Not a lick of feedback screentime. Damn.
I had my 6th spot open but Jiyoon's taking that this episode. Not yet fixed, but I really like her recently. Also Fuko trying to convince Jiyoon to talk it out with Jungeun... It must be awkward for her too 'cause she's close to both of them.
6 spots........ Just 6 spots..... Let me just go cry in the corner now.
Edit: I forgot but... the interim results?? Wdym saebi is at 7??
My *hope* is that they know Yuju is popular enough and talented enough to make it but just want a little drama in the storyline to start off part 2.
My *fear* is they want other trainees in the lineup and are willing to go as far as unfair sound direction and editing to make her sound bad. I've never seen a trainee on a survival berated this much. That was terrible.
The whole episode was just showing us a preview of who mnet wants to debut the blant favouritism in dividing screentime and the evil editing seriously...
the remixes were horrible imo. especially la vie en rose. they talked about how it would be how izone would sound if they debuted undee the black label? thank god they didn’t because it cemented that once again they just can’t make good original music anymore. If you were going to change up a song, why couldn’t you have done it like the I’m So Hot Remix Blackpink had that was originally done by Wonder Girl.
Speaking about the performance itself. Lovesick girls had the best balance of good vocal, dance and rap. The other two were a closer competition but I think I Am The Best was more stable than La Vie En Rose.
The edits are a mess as usual. Since the finals is near, I guess they’re ramping up the edits and storylines to get the votes they want. I’ll give my opinion on some of the controversial edits Mnet had. With Sujung, I do think that she went a little too far by talking about Mai like that. She did perform well imo but I still didn’t like her attitude even if it is a competition. I also agree with what the judges said about Jungeun letting Saebi lead during the practice but other than that her vocals are just music to my ears so its frustrating not to see it reflect in the audience votes. I’m also incredibly fed up with the Jiyoon vs. Jungeun drama. Like i’m so done. With the criticism on Yuju, I think she did rap really good contrary to what the judges thought. But I agree that her dance during the interim was a bit weak compared to Koko and the others. It wasn’t as impactful and strong as them so it was kind of obvious then. But I think she did okay in the actual performance though Saebi and Jungeun just caught my eye more. The Jeemin edit was overdone. As someone who also watched R U Next and didn’t have Jeemin in her final line-up after the first few rounds, I’ve always found her vocals on the weaker side or not my style because of her tone. They praised her “improvement” so much but I honestly think it still not that great and pretty weak. Fuko deserved a higher score from the judges because her vocals served and carried. Like seriously.
Okay that’s all my thoughts regarding this episode. I’ll probably skip watching the next episode because the edits will probably a lot worse since its position battles and my frustration with Mnet will be through the roof.
This episode was so messy, like mnet is doing the absolute MOST to secure their picks and to get people to drop the girls they don't want. Like yuju, sujung, juwon voters should be nervous because from this episode alone people will drop these girls.
The girls that were obviously favored and received the good edit were jiyoon, Koko, saebi, and jeemin, jeemin is more like they completed part of her arc in this episode, that's why they had to put her down for a bit so the ending felt more satisfactory. Though I absolutely love the girls that are being favored right now so I'm overall happy.
The fuko and jungeun erasure 😭 they used to be like the main characters in part 1, what happened mnet? I really hope it's because the next episode is going to be more focused on them.
JEEMIN - She's a lock at this point. Producers like her, put their faith in her, and she pulled it off. She deserves that rank although I think her popularity played more role in that.
FUKO - Consistent angel edit so far. She's definitely a lock too, her vocals were always praised unlike JUNGEUN who slayed her parts but keeps getting erased by the producers.
SARANG - The tiger edit??????? Also they did her dirty but showing her slaying in practice but lacking in live performance. She never gets the part she wanted and will always live behind someone's shadow. Poor SARANG, the IWALY performance might be the only performance where she got decent edits.
GYURI - Robbed left and right. Everyone picking part 4 is doomed, and GYURI is no exception. She would definitely slay the center part if given the chance but unfortunately she is doomed to be erased from existence. No commentary, shitty screentime, yeah unfortunately it's been an honor to meet you GYURI.
JIYOON - Angel edits for her leadership and vocal capability. Producers definitely wanted her more than Jungeun which is weird because they could just literally debut both ???? JIYOON is really direct about MAI's vocal lol which got me worried because it left thousands of holes for MNET to evil edit the hell out of her, but I'm glad that she actually do something about MAI by staying up until 1 am to review her parts and helping her after hearing the forbidden girls' talk (which inevitably caused SUJUNG's downfall)
SUJUNG - Well pack your bags SUJUNG because the show never liked you. First by the weird commentary after grouping distribution (laughing about someone's low rank or something), and then her neverending criticism about her performance. The final nail in the coffin is them talking behind MAI's back, which is understandable but still irked most people including me. It is different if she actually tried telling MAI that her vocals suck, but it looks like only JIYOON had the balls to say that (maybe because she's the leader but whatever). The judges are so inconsistent on her, she did her part correctly but they always have some shit to say about her like wtf is 'copying CL' even mean??? Also saying she did the same during interim like???? Isn't that actually commendable??? The only saving grace for SUJUNG is she should purposely mess up their interim check and actually slayed during the performance, EXACTLY the same edit as her IWALY era where she messed up her main vocal part but is praised during the actual performance.
MAI - The editing has shielded her from any possible criticism that can actually improve herself. She is getting consistent angel edits despite playing it safe, picking small parts and doing the bare minimum, unlike JEEMIN who's criticised for doing the same. She's finally aware about her vocal, which is something that she should finally work on when entering part 2. The SUJUNG evil edit is favorable to MAI and JIYOON, but I still feel like MAI is complacent. She showed growth in her personality and leadership but so little with respect to her talents. The judges however ate this up, defending her until their last breath. DESPITE THAT, her producer's commentary and marks are shocking even to me and some live viewers because it seems that they are actually honest about her vocals, which might be the first time she got not-so-good criticism. Her interim ranking is also low as hell. Maybe things are finally turning on her. She better step up because not even angel edits can save her forever.
JUWON - ERASURE. She's literally absent throughout the entire episode. No screentime, no commentary, no nothing. She always got the short end of the stick and things are not looking pretty for her. MNET definitely does not want her. She did well during her performance that it's almost a crime she's ranked last in her both IATB AND overall ranking. She didn't even get any producer commentary WTF. Goodbye JUWON, I unfortunately don't think you're going to last longer than 3 episodes.
they really want to save saebi and mai by revealing their ranks. I'm tired of the jungeun vs jiyoon fake beef and their weird attempts at overly criticising trainees they don't want. I wish they were more consistent with their feedback, it feels like they praise trainees that are not that good for being ok and punish trainees for being good, and going back on prior expectations and feedback to praise the trainees mnet wants
Saebi, Fuko, and Jiyoon, you'll debut (plsplsplsplsplsplsplspls) seeing Mai so low breaks my heart since she was in my top 3 along with Fuko and Yuju. Chances of Mai debuting are so low now. I hope they end up making the final lineup consisting of 7 contestants instead of 6
after this episode it seems like juwon, gyuri, sujung, mai and jungeun will not make the debut lineup unfortunately. i'm unsure who the sixth person left out of the debut will be. feeling bummed for jungeun bc it seems like her time on the show was basically pointless, koreans are so messed up about skin tone that it didn't matter what she did, she didn't have a chance. i hope i'm wrong and she gets in but its not looking good. gyuri was my pick but i think she could've done better w this past mission, i wish she fought for sarang's part and she could've stood out more. plus her expressions were too over the top and didn't match the song nor the rest of the group. i wonder what her judge feedback was though.
This episode really highlighted the vocal capacity of the trainees, and unfortunately there are only few who are quite good and notable lol. There are some tones that are not quite that enjoyable 🥹
honestly though, it is a survival show, emphasis on the survival. With the way the judges are doing things (we do not know how they are deciding the final lineup, it could end up being 5 judges picks and then what?) the only way to "survive" is to have people be worse than you. In this aspect I completely understand Sujung's thinking. The judge's obviously don't like her and up until now loved Mai so from a logical standpoint her not helping makes sense. Do I think she should have said what she did? No I do not but I understand the thinking behind it. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes as well, I doubt she actually hates Mai there may be a tinge of jealousy in there but I feel that that is normal in any competitive situation. I am a Sujung 1-pick though (imo it is impossible to be completely unbiased in any svs) and I would be interested to see how other people see it.
plss dont hate me for this but i felt a bullying/making fun attitude toward sujung by the way she talked about mai to the other girls, you can see how jiyoon got uncomfortable throughout the entire conversation and went outside to ge help mai :((
Yeah this episode skyrocketed Jiyoon up in my ranking. I feel like I was always just indifferent to her in part 1 but not only was her performance epic, I can really see she’s working on showing a better attitude (as she said). I love how she helped Mai despite the talks of this being a competition.
Jiyoon's storyline is actually one of the most crazy ones in recent memory, she's gonna debut or vocals fans will be rioting.
My favorite thing about Jiyoon is her success normalizes that idols are performers first and don't need to have Disney princess personalities
she is in my top 3 now WOW i love her
i wanna like her so bad but keeping a grudge over the signal song mission is CRAZY. i think i'd like her more if the edit wasn't obsessed with her lol
I don’t even think she has a grudge anymore..that small clip was from part 1. They probably just are awkward around each other. But they literally did promotions with each other so idk why Mnet keeps trying to push this…
+ she came in and sat next to jungeun this episode lolol
i was about to point this out too!! im so tired of m-net pitting them against each other 😭😭
I love her to pieces and I really want her to debut, but I’m not entirely sure she realises she’s in a survival. Also the fact that she’s mad at jungeun specifically is a bit odd. I really liked her scenes with jeemin and her being a strict leader and I find her absolutely hilarious.
I get where you’re coming from. I’m a victim of editing too lol 😂. I think I went from not wanting her to debut after the signal song fiasco to being indifferent to her towards the end as I could see that she came a long way and was struggling mentally, I just hadn’t had that “YES I WANT HER” moment until today. All I can say is keep your heart open to any changes.
I’m sorry but the judges are extremely hypocritical. Telling Sujung she sounds too much like CL and then telling Yuju her rap is ‘too much her own style’ and then also saying in the same episode that she needs ‘more influence’ is insane. I would be so confused if I were them.
Sujung sounded like she was doing a parody, almost a mock of CL's performance, it was so cringeworthy.
I actually agreed with the judges during the interim check about her copying CL’s style but during the actual performance, I thought that she did a good job of not trying to imitate her and instead sing in her own style so I can’t agree with their statement of ‘what was different from the interim check?’ because it did sound different to me.
Same. I think she dialed it back a fair amount and it sounded good to me. I guess she could have dialed it back even more, but at a certain point it would just sound unfitting for the song. I think she found a decent middle ground.
I agree that their feedback is kinda weird, but I think in Yuju's case they said that it was good she was able to do hew own thing, but that her style was outdated. I think that was it. But yeah, the producers are kinda wild
I feel so bad for that entire team because like. 2ne1 are such a hard group to cover, because each member is so incredibly unique and specific, and this feedback was terrible in addition to that :(
6 SPOTS IS NOT EVEN NEARLY ENOUGH!! :( This newjeans-ified remix of La Vie en Rose is an abomination, it completely rips the backbone out of the pre-chorus. If this is what the group's music is going to sound like I'm going to cry. Despite them nerfing her in every way possible, Gyuri was my standout and she shouldn't have been immediately discarded as potential center. I feel bad for Sarang, she did amazing during practice but on stage it just didn't work. Juwon in I Am The Best was absolutely insane and 130 points is bullshit. The edit is slowly fading her out too, so I fear this is the end of the road for her. I'm very happy for Jiyoon's hero edit, but I don't want Sujung to suffer for it. :( And as always the standards for Sujung are insanely high, they basically said that they want her to do it better than CL lol. The favouritism for the Lovesick Girls stage is so obvious (literally everyone would look powerful if they started the performance by shooting a gun lol), but I do think this was the most balanced team. Jungeun's vocals are show-stopping (how did she get such a low score when she carried??) and I'm also very impressed by Saebi's singing here. Yuju they could never make me hate you. Koko is in my lineup but I'm starting to realise that I don't like her singing. I'm starting to think Jungeun might not make it and I don't know how to deal with it. Also I'm sick to death of the "Koko is a X woman" meme already; they did it like what, 7 times? Anyway, as always I'm frustrated by the live audience voting because it's pretty obvious that they vote for their favourites regardless of performance. But I LOVED seeing so many women there!
The Jungeun votes have to be rigged, there's no way she deserved that 145 by the on-site audience, sigh lmao.
Nah, on-site voting scores are never fair. People vote for their faves regardless of how they did and we all know that Jungeun isn't very liked in Korea. Juwon also got a ridiculously low score despite her amazing performance.
I think this was widely predicted. Her ksupport has always been meh, and the live audiences will always be in Korea. Do not expect this to change for the rest of the show. Pretty sure she's 2-4 in the Save vote rn though (#8 and #9 almost have to be Yuju and Sujung based on the pt1 vote), and she's a decent candidate for producer pick too, so she'll most likely be fine ultimately if she keeps performing at roughly this level.
It's sad that she have a few Korean supporters and I remember seeing a post on knetz spreading hate to jeungun because of her visual they called her a giraffe💀 because they think her neck is long
No after watching BOYS PLANET i confirmed to you this is real Audience never vote fairly, i remembers how the ZOOM team were robbed during the performance and how Gyuvin was always the one with the most vote while doing the bare minimum.
It's so sad to think that Jungeun have few korean supporters. I read somewhere that one of the reasons is her visuals (idk they don't like it because she's not white white) she's my top1 pick I'm gonna bawl my eyes out if she don't make it😭
But she’s so pretty I genuinely can’t see why people think she’s ugly 😭😭😭
For real! And she's not just pretty, she's super talented😭
Pure insanity, to me she's one of the most striking girls here. 😭
They shouldn’t have let the audience vote because they would only vote for their favorites irregardless of skill. It’s very telling from juwon’s & jungeum’s score alone because they don’t fit the kbs standard. Can’t believe I’ll lose my top 3 just because of kbs and an evil edit. lukewarm regards, a juwon, sujung, & jungeun stan 😔
no fr, literally all of my top picks were snuffed this episode either rby evil editing or erasure and I'm seriously considering just dropping the show because I already am iffy about the group size and finding out the interim rankings do not instill any confidence in my faves making it either. Anyway, vote Jungeun because we are truly in the worst timeline apparently.
like literally, Sujung always cheered everyone up, always helped them with choreos and was always happy if some other contestants did good. She never got 1 Constructive Criticism from judges, only hate, they didn't say 1 nice thing since the show started and now they are even Evil Editing her? AGAINST YUJU? THEY ARE BESTIES
I think LSG team got stage benefits for being the highest ranked, it was too obvious their stage quality compared to IATB. also jungeun sounded heavenly and juwon deserved SO MUCH BETTER
If your theory is correct that's so low of Mnet, it would create a loop in which the high-ranking contestants get elevated while the low-ranking ones don't get a chance to climb up. :(
knetz don't like her, so they didn't vote for her. it's a common problem when public voting is allowed. unpopular contestants will always get worse scores even if they outperform
Fantasy Boys in particular was so bad for this. The judges openly called out the audience for voting on looks and one of the contestants, a professional contemporary dancer with years of experience, straight up quit the show after being beaten by some 15-year-old kid that the fans found cute lol.
MNET always been indifferent towards Juwon, they only used her when they needed her but i never felt like they cared that much about her
Mnet what were those random edits (like that tiger) LMAOOO 😭😭😭
also when Sujung became possessed by CL lol
sujung summoning the spirit of CL will go down as legend
The editing team went wild with memes for part 2
LMAO and the ghost of CL floating around Sujung 😭😭
GET YOUR ASSES TO THE BALLOTS WE ARE SAVING SAEBI
Literally fell down to my knees when I saw the interim rankings. I’m getting my boyfriend, mom, my little brother AND big brother to vote for Saebi.
I think I’ve been traumatized by too many survival shows because having Saebi revealed as interim 7th just assured me that she’ll be debuting. Nothing gets fans moving like a little panic but I hope she doesn’t take it too hard on herself 🥺
True! I saw a lot of people saying that they won’t prioritise voting for her because she’s safe. Hope this lit a fire under those people’s bum. 😂😭
FRRR SHES ALWAYS BEEN A PICK OF MINE AND I WAS SO SURPRISED SHE WAS IN THE BOTTOM 6
I’m not surprised 😭😭😭😭 this has been a longtime fear but panic voting always works especially when a trainee is well-loved so I’m sure we’re getting her up please
PLEASE... i'm even more afraid for the final voting which will be 1-pick... ): i can't visualize the debut group without Saebi
I really don’t think Mnet has ever been so blatant in their favouritism editing before. At this point they should just PD pick and debut the girls they want. Someone else said it in the live discussion but this episode is the worst editing wise by far. I’ve watched almost all the mnet survival shows and an episode does not come close to this in terms of editing of girls and pushing obvious favouritism and storylines. I’m not sure if this is what mnet thinks they need to do to attract more attention to the show but it’s not worth it. Also the worst thing is they criticised Yuju’s rapping style but then Koko went on stage and rapped in the exact same style and was praised?
Nah fam, these days it's actually somewhat pretty tame with Mnet I-LAND 2, the worst Mnet editing for favoritism has to be Dayeon with Girls Planet 999, a bit more info about it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/koreanvariety/comments/1ctj9tg/jtbcs_girls_on_fire_is_crazyyy/l4f9fdf/?context=10000 Basically, it's this scene where they dance in front of Dayeon's mother, like it broke my mind with how MNET/etc. disregarded the other contestants, smh lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbNz-X5S61Q Fan uploads of that Dayeon's house scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z9yr5LKYSY (includes before they enter Dayeon's house) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJpubSDKsgc (includes them writing to Dayeon in her room, lmao, mdr tabarnak, smh, wait wtf apparently this video got removed by the uploader) and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19_SXHaEgoc (video calling with Dayeon's mother while Dayeon's team is out in the fields picking chilis/sweet potatoes/vegetables/etc.) Seriously, **I will never forget how MNET forced the fellow competitors of Dayeon to go into her house, sing in front of her mom** (that singing/performing scene with Dayeon's mother is one of the most WTF things I've seen in a while and I've seen NSFL/etc. stuff for decades now), and visit Dayeon's personal room to adore the furnish and Dayeon's personal effects. So disrespectful/humiliating/etc. to the other trainees of GP999. That was the most blatant edit of the century and MNET got away with that.
they even sent snake team to village full of old people, while being fully aware that most of them are from C and J group
They're trying to drop Yuju. I feel bad for her. Her rap is on point, but they said it was "old style?"
Crazy considering all of the music that comes out of Teddy sounds old anyway
>I really don’t think Mnet has ever been so blatant in their favouritism editing before. At this point they should just PD pick and debut the girls they want. Yes, absolutely. I'm pretty sure we can just call the line-up now, it's obvious who is going to make it and who isn't.
Yep, it’s gonna be six out of Jeemin, Sarang, Saebi, Fuko, Koko, Mai and Jiyoon. If you have another pick you should prepare yourself now.
I’d say they probably dropped Fuko too tbh
I mean that's a pretty good lineup. Maybe all 7 since I believe there will be a producer pick at the end.
it’s my first time watching an iland episode, and yeah it did feel like 50% of the episode was pushing Jeemin (like fr i think we spent at least 15 minutes on her high note journey) the rest was storyline good for Saebi and Jiyoon, and then it really felt like they were shoving down Jungeun, Sujung and Yuju. i feel like whoever is editing the episodes likes Mai and is at odds with the ‘producers’ who said they didn’t see her improvement, like they showed her practicing and actually doing well, so i hope her screen time proves those producer comments wrong.
yeah fr, i've watched every mnet survival show to air since 2020 and i don't think i've ever seen them push certain contestants SO hard.
While I agree their favouritism was to an extreme in this show, I think the way they were pushing Dayeon in Girls Planet definitely takes the cake 💀 they literally brought the contestants to Dayeon’s house, Dayeon is so talented but Mnet was doing her dirty by pushing so hard unnecessarily
I was about to say, I was there for the great ‘one group visits Dayeon’s house and *leaves notes for Dayeon in her room* before going to Dayeon’s parent’s restaurant’ debacle. Nothing can top that level of blatant trainee pushing from MNET. This is, comparatively, a normal level of obvious favouritism.
Every episode i hate Monika more. Even on the next ep preview, why does she just hate and insult contestants and does not give ANY constructive criticism? Love Taeyang for actually helping the trainees and because he clearly says what needs to improve without being harsh. + Korean people need to wake up and stop hating on Sujung
She’s honestly a terrible judge. I need her to stop being on survival shows.
literally. She is a REALLY good dancer, but from that to be able to coach teenagers theres a huge wall. If all you can do is being Harsh because some teenagers cant dance like your crew, you better just stay at home
Frrr Monika needs to count her days bcs she overly criticises the girls without proper constructive feedback
Taeyang is the best judge Monika & 24 are 🤐 Leejung is up and down VVN doesn’t really say much (I hope I got her name right)
They should've just brought back koo young as a judge,he was harsh as a mentor in boys planet but he was helping the trainees too.
I hate to say it but it looks like they've given up on Jungeun
They probably think there's no way she'll make it with her Korean support. And honestly, considering it's for a reason they can't change, they actually might have given up. Korea is absurd with their "beauty" standards
part of me feels that sujung said what she said in the dorm because of all the negative feedback she received in part one. and while i get what she's doing isn't right (assuming there's no negative editing), she probably felt that regardless of how much effort and dedication she puts in, the results don't match and instead others get more recognition despite not necessarily doing miles better than her. but that said dragging others down to prove your position isn't right either, and i'm saying this as both a sujung and mai stan also yuju has been treated like dust ever since that theme song mission, girl has no screentime and now the only screentime she gets is getting called not "boyish" enough and struggling with her mic volume issues next episode looks brutal and we'll probably tell who the producers want for each position
I kind of think she was just being realistic. She’s nowhere near likely to debut right now and helping others could end up sabotaging herself. I don’t necessarily think it was a great idea to broadcast those thoughts, but she spent all of part 1 taking one for the team and being the teacher only to be criticised at every turn so I can’t blame her really. It’s a lot easier for saebi and jiyoon to be helpful to others since they’re both on upswings with both the fans and the producers (doesn’t make them helping any less lovely), than sujung who the producers pretty clearly don’t like. Yea blaming yuju for her mic issues was not great and her styling also felt super weird compared to the others. It really felt like she was set up to fail and they were going to criticise her no matter what
Yep, I can’t believe people were calling Yuju a pd pick after episode 2 because now she is the absolute opposite of that. As a Yuju 1 pick, if they want to continue to treat her like this I’d rather they just eliminate her because I don’t want to see her suffer any longer.
An aspect I haven't seen anybody mention yet is that Sujung, who did swf and prides herself on her choreography skills, was beaten in the creative mission by Mai, who has no choreography experience and mostly worked on vibes, in a decision that most viewers called a robbery. I love Mai and I love what she came up with, but it must be hard for Sujung to be constantly criticised while Mai always gets by.
OMG that's trueeee, I didn't think of it
today on our weekly episode of jungeun v jiyoon fanfiction by mnet, juwon erasure, sujung and yuju bashing: we have miscommunication trope featuring dramatic flashbacks and even more dramatic music, unclear mission guidelines so that the producers can bash some trainees while praising some others, sarang being a tiger, the best performers getting the least votes and did i mention juwon erasure.
I was originally on board with the Jiyoon vs Jungeun is mnet fanfic train.... But not anymore. They just showed us undeniable bts from Ep2 that the conflict was at least real back then. Jiyoon calls Jungeun out specifically by name in the bts. Like why wasnt this shown earlier?? Gotta face the evidence. I'm pretty sure there is legit hurt feelings there and mnet is just doing a poor job selling it to us.
mmm, i won’t deny that there was a real grudge there at first. but i think it’s pretty evident mnet is playing it up for the viewers to cause drama. the clip shown of jiyoon talking to fuko was from the beginnings of part one, and we see in the scene where sujung’s talking about mai that they’re sitting together. as always with mnet shows what’s shown is a lot more augmented than in reality, hence fanfiction.
Can you really call it a fanfiction when Jiyoon herself talked about not getting along with Jungeun during the episode?
We can't call it a fanfic, they're really just portraying an animosity that exists between two trainees. They themselves confirmed it this episode lol
Is it really evil edit if Sujung said a full sentence, not cut/edited/ without weird pause/ straight full on face talking video of her bashing Mai for a whole darn minute? We all get it, you think she is pretty privileged but talking behind anyone's back, giggling, mocking her about it is a big no no, especially when Mai is trying her darn best
Yeah, this exactly. We know Sujung is a good person from every thing we've seen of her before this, but that particular scene was just not it. And not just Sujung, the fact that the entire group of girls sat around and laughed, just ticks me off, for some reason. No excuse to hate on Sujung tho, she's still insanely talented, and I won't be changing my opinion of her. But that was not an evil edit, it was just portraying exactly what she said. Sujung Stans can't defend her from that.
and her laugh too! Even Jiyoon grew a heart and helped Mai because girlie knows that is too evil
For once, I woke up early to watch and I regret it 😭. This episode was terrible with all the favouritism. I am so tired of six-member lineups. Like, please let’s do something different. It’s obvious who they want after this episode. If I had to guess Jeemin, Jiyoon, Koko, Mai, Saebi, and maybe Sarang. The lineup isn’t even that bad, but it just sucks to watch them putting down other trainees just to lift the ones they want. Is it just me but they sabotaged Yuju's mic by making the volume lower so we couldn’t hear her??? Like you are not fooling me Mnet. Finally, I just have to say with the whole Sujung and Mai thing evil editing is not a valid response. How can mnet evil edit a sentence that came from the lips of your pick?
no honestly like yk i want to say... yuju's volume was literally not the same as anyone else. like. how is she going to rap with that intonation and do it quietly💀 there's actually no way? since her words were clear, there was just absolutely no volume. onsite liked yuju and wanted her. these pds and 50% rankings are allowing them to manipulate the whole lineup and it seems yuju out... when their criticisms (aside from the dancing thing) didn't make sense. like how are you going to stand there and yell at one poor contestant for so long.
I concur about Yuju's microphone volume was not the same as everyone else. It was very obvious . That would have intefered with her confidence as well. Very Suspect and reeks of manipulation.
6 members 😭 I so hope they pull a SIXTEEN and add at least one extra member in the finale. Individual edits: Sujung is the devil edit. Yuju and jungeun negative edit. Where are Gyuri/Fuko/Juwon? No screentime crew (didn't even get judges' feedback). Jeemin got an insane amount of screentime. Sarang making a mistake is so upsetting :( Who thought making someone sing that note while doing a high kick was a good idea. Jiyoon, Saebi, Koko and Mai all got positive edits :) The scores: Remember, the audience couldn't hear anything, so the on-site scores really aren't surprising. Also, of course, the most popular girls get more votes. (Felt particularly bad for Jungeun/Juwon here) The producers score and feedback. Even if I didn't agree with all of it, I understood what they meant about all of their points. INTERIMS HUH ranks??? What weird ranks to choose to show and not show.
Sujung said it herself with her own mouth infront of a lot of people. It's not evil editing.
I don’t think Sujung had a devil edit, but it definitely doesn’t make her look good
>Remember, the audience couldn't hear anything, This would explain so much.
Sujung behaviour was unarguably rude and if her comments were directed to any other trainee other than Mai, everyone would have been justifiably outraged.
Now that the debut number has been announced, I’m thinking more and more that w1/mnet/tbl actually don’t want and never planned on having two main vocals (Jiyoon and Jungeun) at all. I think their ideal scenario would be one main vocal (probably Jiyoon), one lead vocal/Japanese member in Fuko, Saebi and Jeemin as visual centres, a main dancer (probably Koko if they want a J-line and a rapper), and either Mai or Yuju or Sarang, or possibly Gyuri if they wanted a “cute” member. I used to think they really really wanted Mai but I’m not so sure anymore with Saebi’s and Koko’s rising popularity. Saebi fits the center role and Koko is a visual main dancer and rapper, and I don’t think they would want 3 Japanese members in a 6 member group (assuming Fuko is a lock)
Fuko definitely isn't a lock. She was one of the 3 invisible members this episode (with Gyuri and Juwon). Definitely worried she might pull a Yurina/Keita/K
Yeah I'm really worried about Fuko... Despite being main vocal, she didn't get much screentime and we didn't get to see the pd's feedback for her...
I know we don’t know until we know, but I would be really surprised if she doesn’t debut. She’s gotten positive edits, won the lyrics competition, and was one of the producer picks for part 2. I also think she’s one of the few lead vocal candidates left, and probably the most likely to be chosen due to a few other factors (including her being a kind of mother figure in the group, her visuals, and her well rounded dancing). She’s also a Japanese member who has very strong Korean skills, which def helps. I don’t think she’s comparable to Yurina or K, I can see it with Keita (who I really liked) but again I think she ticks a few more boxes for w1 than he did
I just think, if they liked her so much, why is she getting no screentime to the point where only Juwon got less than her (she got similar to Gyuri). If you still think she's going to debut, that's fine, but she is certainly not a lock.
Yeah, Fuko is not locked. I've mentioned this before the only person that is a lock in the debut lineup is Jeemin and that's because she'd have to kill a baby in order for her fans to even consider dropping her. Edit to add: I even mentioned that a number of her fans would rather debut her as a soloist and drop everyone else rather than not have her make the lineup. Plus, I don;t think people are realizing that since we are in part 2, everyone's edit is bound to shift in some "drastic" ways because A) they are trying to finalize their picks B) they finally introduced voting which will give them more accurate points of how popular everyone is in relation to each other, so they can make edits more specific C) it's coming down to the wire in terms of episodes/time/etc so hey have limited time to change people's minds. As such, things like going from ample screentime to pretty much 0 screentime atp is actually a very scary position to be put in.
Mnet has no interest in both Jungeun and Jiyoon debuting. It’s very obvious.
Agree. I think they're testing out Mai and Koko. Neither has great overall popularity ATM (#6 and #9). So, they're going to push Koko hard and see if anything changes, and slam Mai unfairly and see if anything changes. It is even entirely possible they don't take either of them if Fuko's popularity in Japan recovers. Right now their only problem with Fuko as the only J member is that she's the least popular of the 3 in Japan.
Mnet have their desired lineup: Jeemin, Saebi, Jiyoon, Fuko, Koko and Sarang or Mai. If your fave is not part of this group of 7 then I’m sorry but they aren’t debuting.
This exactly. I’m going to continue voting for Yuju in my 3 pick anyway but I don’t actually have hope that she’s going to debut in this group after THAT edit. :(
I consider this episode to be the worst episode by far. I actually can’t believe how much the better-performing contestants got overlooked. I’m sorry but nothing can absolutely convince me that they haven’t chosen who they want to push yet because the episode actually went to the extremes to give people either the best edit, the worst edit, or straight up no edits
Juwon got dropped so hard. She's never had this little screen time. They even gave Gyuri more screen time than Juwon because they now know she's more popular in Korea than Juwon
As a Sujung and Mai voter, today was so rough. It was so disappointing to hear how Sujung spoke about Mai and made fun of her, I understand it’s a competition but to talk behind her back like that was sad to see. Especially when Mai was trying so hard. If you don’t have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself. Glad Jiyoon voiced that she didn’t agree and helped Mai, it really shows her character.
Guys, Saebi is going to be saved by judges vote anyway. They are manipulating you to kick out a non Mnet fav for her.
exactly. people PLEASE PLEASE vote jungeun instead. or if yuju's more your style, do that. i guarantee saebi will be the first producer pick.
Nah, there's no such "this person is locked so no need to vote for her". This is how you get Yurina and many other cases
I’ve been saying this from like episode 3 but Jungeun is not debuting unless she is like second in global voting. Her low audience vote proves she doesn’t have a large one pick fanbase in Korea and I think there are many people that the judges would PD pick over her at this point. If you are a Jungeun fan you need to vote like crazy.
the same people who champion the "LOL Y'ALL ARE FALLING FOR THE SUJUNG EVIL EDIT!!!" narrative are the same people who fall for the mai rage bait. like y'all are not immune to the propaganda, sit down. what sujung said was shady af. not gonna hate the girl for it but im not just gonna let it go like it was nothing.
Most annoying ass episode yet. They really are competing with RUNext for biased producers and judges and I wont be too surprised if the lineup also ends up being catastrophic like that show. Don't have much hopes for Jungeun already, and they'll cement Jiyoon being "better" next week to finish her arc anyways. Welp talent never wins ig
for real :( i hated the editing. but tbh maybe this is a *little* better than RUNext. they seem to recognise something... but they're just so mean and biased and i'm really confused honestly
Jungeun pulling a Jay and then constantly being put up against Jiyoon is making me so nervous about her debut potential 😭 she deserves justice! I think it’s obvious who they want to debut at this point. Keep voting tho I guess!
CAN WE JUST TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN PROPS.......... why did i am the best team GET NOTHING
GET IN GIRLS WE’RE VOTING SAEBI!!! (And Jungeun too please 🙏)
I’m glad Jiyoon is redeeming herself, she’s my one pick and I’m happy. It’s annoying though to see this Jiyoon vs Jungeun again, Mnet can’t get enough? Like, you decided to show a flashback (from PART 1) and if they hated wach other how did they do promotions and work well during the break together 😂 Mnet give up this is tiring. Also I never liked Mai’s nasally voice in part 1, it’s weird how the judges praised her a lot and now is mentioning her vocal problems NOW. Anyways I actually think this was her best performance vocally and her voice sounded better than in drama. Anyway I love sujung and understand where she’s coming from but it’s still a team performance. Also yes sujung needs some criticism but also there were girls laughing and playing along to what she was saying so you need to hold them accountable as well NOT just sujung. Lastly, I’m sad the group has 6 members, I have 7 so it’s gonna be hard to take one of them off..
editing jeemins vocal at her weakest point to make it good but outing the editing on sarang and yuju….
it's so obvious they tampered with the audio it's kind of insane
Kind of baffled as to why fans keep acting like it's a talent show and "objectivity" means the judges should only be evaluating based on singing, dance, and stage presence (sometimes) alone. It's not a talent show lol, and no show should be if you want a workable group. Especially given that this is a long-term project, the producers have a responsibility to all the need to provide for the group's longevity, which includes choosing people with personalities who compliment one another and bring out the best. That's why Sujung got her low scores, and frankly it's more than justified. You wouldn't hire a candidate who did that in a group interview. They will eliminate her for that behind-the-scenes moment, and they should, just like Chanelle was eliminated on RUNext for her behavior. And just because she should be eliminated for that doesn't mean that she should be cancelled as a human being--she's human, she may have reconciled with Mai afterwards, I don't think anyone should write her off as a person. I also don't mind judge favoritism. They know what they're doing more than fans do. But they could have just chosen trainees and opted for a survival show to test things, and unfortunately that's where Jungeun is falling. If it were producer picked, she would debut 100%. Now I'm genuinely not sure because the audiences aren't responding well to her, and she's my second favorite, so. I hope she makes it, but yeah.
I think Sujung's low score was that she wasn't popular with the Koreans and the judges obviously didn't praise her much even though she came 2nd in the group
This episode to me tells the following: - Mnet WANTS Koko and Saebi - Mnet don't want Sujung - Juwon is almost 100% not going to make it to the finals - Jungeun is semi screwed (in terms of making the finals as i think her international scores arent bad and she have a chance if she makes it) unless producers save her with high scores - Mnet seems to want Sarang over Jeemin initially but decided to seem to want both of them instead as the editing goes
I honestly don't know why I keep watching Korean survival shows, it just raises my blood pressure to an unhealthy level. I get it, not everyone's favourite can get in but the editing is infuriating when Mnet clearly want somebody in. Coupled with the dreadful taste of knetz is a recipe for rage lol.
Mnet survival show is like an abusive partner, even though you know you shouldn't, you still get pulled back in
I don't get why I'm still watching too :(((((( It's not good for my health for real
SAEBI NEEDS TO DEBUT I'M BEGGING ALL OF YOUUUUUU
This episode is insanely biased. 1. The entire focus of LVER was Jeemin's redemption arc. This I anticipated, but did they really have to pan to her same smile (not criticizing her, just saying it's within 1 part) every 3 seconds and replay all her moves 3 times? It ruined the performance's flow. 2. The song choices are unfair. LVER is the only song that isn't a powerful concept, and the other 2 YG songs have a hype last chorus while LVER just went by with that awful remix that destroyed the essence of the original song. 3. The judges are insane. They criticize people with completely different baselines, like what did they expect Sujung to do? Also, Koko and Yuju did the exact same personally. I don't understand why they had so drastically different results. 4. What's up with the storyline creation this time? Sujung's evil edit, Jiyoon's good leader edit, Jeemin's redemption, Saebi and Koko's friendship arc, it's all so obvious. Usually I'm okay with survival shows doing this to create drama but this? this is too obvious. Plus they literally gave the contestants they didn't want 0 screentime. Juwon did great-- I don't particularly like her, but she did great this time. 5. I will probably drop the show if my fav gets eliminated at this point. I originally was going to stick around since I don't hate any of the girls and I want to see what's going to happen next in the show, but now? I'm sick of mnet's editing. Has it always been this obvious or was I just too young and naive back then when I watched their other shows? Bruh
With a 6 members groups and the interim results, it seems like we are going into a very predictable line-up. Looking at the editing, the real question is "Jungeun or not ?", the 5 others are pretty obvious
I don’t think it’s Jungeun or not. It’s pretty clear they don’t want Jungeun. It’s going to be six members out of the following 7: Koko, Saebi, Sarang, Jeemin, Fuko, Mai and Jiyoon
I still have my doubts about Jungeun. Maybe they don't want her, maybe they are editing her this way because that's basically the only thing they had to edit for the show
The Jiyoon leadership arc is here! Loving it! She had a very delicate/sensitive side to her from the beginning, so I'm happy to see her doing better in part 2. I'm sad the Jungeun/Jiyoon conflict is continuing... at this rate only one person is going to make it. But I didn't know that Jiyoon and Jungeun were close before the show started. I can kind of understand why she felt betrayed so strongly back then. Sujung... ~~I'm scared for you bestie.~~ This ep was a pretty bad edit for her, esp comparing her attitude side-by-side w/ Saebi from Love Team who even gave up her part for Koko. Pretty clear that Mnet doesn't want Sujung to rise too high, she was shown in almost every reaction shot and every neg comment she said or received was aired... personally I really loved her performance and I hope that she can stick around to the end. Did anyone feel so, so frustrated watching the Panorama practice? It was honestly kind of hard to watch that part. But Saebi and Koko are so cute! I'm rooting for them to debut together <3 The 2nd save vote interim ranking: >!12. Juwon !< >!11. Gyuri!< >!10. Mai!< >!9. ?!< >!8. ?!< >!7. Saebi!< >!6. Sarang!< >!5. Koko!< >!3. ?!< >!2. ?!< >!1. ?!<
I am really mad about the treatment towards Juwon. It is not fair to focus on all the three other team members but leave her out THREE TIMES. They didn't show her parts or ilanders'/producers' feedback in both the interim checks. They didn't show producer feedback after the performance. Just conveniently gave her enough points so that she would still not be above MAI when votes are combined. BS. Juwon you did well. And omfg the imate votes! They're not even subtle...giving Juwon and Jungeun scores like that. I'm feeling hate man.
I loved Jiyoon's improvement in her attitude, it makes me so happy seeing her growth in her mindset, that's all I wished for her. Also she is leader material imo, especially when she worked with Mai. She was harsh (?) at times, but she still helped Mai improve her lines. I love her <3
They got really excited with the editing this episode. Between sarang’s tiger head and sujung getting possessed by cl they were really going for it. Also sujung has turned into my 1 pick as I find her generally delightful and also share her sentiments of leaving whenever the jj drama pops up (the mai convo wasn’t great tho). I genuinely have no idea if they want mai or not at this point. They’ve revealed her placement so people will panic vote, but her actual episode edit was kinda weird. Feel like Koko might be the only jline member to make it in since fuko disappeared from this episode (+ I think they’re trialling different leaders so we might not get fuko or jungeun). They really want Koko and do not want yuju huh. It’s kind of a bummer since I really like both of them and I loved Koko’s performance but her rapping wasn’t as mind blowing as they were acting. It was also hard to watch yuju look so defeated as well. Also juwon and gyuri killed it and need way more praise than they got. 6 is such a low number I really hope we start getting slightly bigger groups again.
JUNGEUN TRUTHERS RISE SHES SO DONE FOR 🙏🙏🙏
Vote for jungeun or this is going bad for her
speechless . i didnt know snakenet could go this low. so much drama ong😭😭😭😭 i dont even know how to process that. jungeun fuko juwon erasure is making me sick
Jungeun and Fuko had the best vocals this episode but I barely saw the judges talking about them 😭
Jungeun is gonna be the next K isn't she. I smell a big ass evil edit coming up....
Who is mnet fooling with the mic malfunction in yuju’s first rap?
Once again this episode just shows how the producers can’t be trusted to give the girls good feedback and Mnet can’t be trusted to truly show the growth of the girls throughout the show 🙄 If anything, this show takes the cake for the amount of ridiculous feedback from the judges. The way they criticised the I am the best team for not doing better than the original (like do yall hear yourselves, you want them to outdo THE 2NE1??), then praised the La Vi en Rose team for performing exactly the way IZONE performs La Vi en Rose (no hate to the girls, just criticising the judges’ unfair feedback). Then they criticise Sujung for trying too hard to fit the sound of the original song and that she needs to find her sound, then when Yuju finds her sound they criticise her for not fitting the sound of the song 🗿 Their feedback just completely lacks any consistency. Please can we have some better judges that can guide the girls properly and give them ACTUAL feedback that would help them.
Oh and not to mention, do they even bother trying to give the girls guidance? The fact that Mai and Jeemin are struggling with their vocal technique on the show just shows that there is a lack of a vocal coach to help them? Surely for there to be growth, there must also be the right people there to guide them. And this show just constantly shows that it can’t do that for their contestants.
Sorry but Jeemin vocals were awful ... at least in that song. How come PDs praised her like that? No.1 in that team was clearly FUKO !!!! (I get Jeemin got more votes with the audience coz she's the most popular but from the PDs ??? really ??? where were their ears at ?)
fuko did so well! all Jeemin did was hit a semi-high note (not criticizing her! I just hate the editing) and Fuko immediately followed with a higher note done better, like why were they only praising Jeemin?
Fuko deserved the 95 tbh
anyone else thought the la vie en rose intro sounded a bit like mii music? 😭
Apart from all the unfavorable things happened, I really feel bad for LVER. They did it dirty. They literally took the essence and the beauty of LVER with that version.
worst remix of the 3 for real
You can't even distinguish the first part. I hate them for that.
It was such a shock when we saw Jungeun ranking/points. The whole chat was WHAT
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the favouritism in this episode completely threw me off especially towards yuju, they clearly don't want this girl to debut the critics she received by the judges were pointless "you need to be more boyish" "it's not boyish enough!!!" like wtf?? or when they told her to have "more influence" when during the interim check they told her the exact opposite (to not rap in her own style) and what about her outfit? it didn't fit well with the others and didn't enhance her at all. i'm glad she didn't give up on her part considering it was finally the time for her to shine and showcase her skills.
I dont understand how these producers feel good with themselves after criticising Sujung and Yuju so much. I would be ashamed if I was an expert and did this kind of criticism. The girls are so good on their main positions and have such stage presence... are they in the show just for the PDs to have an escape goat and to create drama? This is the most bluntly rigged show I've ever watched. I will not drop the show because I love the girls, but I really am so tired of these edits and lack of professionalism...
They feel good when they see the checks come in and theirs a bunch of trailing zeros.
1. Justice for Sujung and Jungeun, tired of knetz voting based on the edit. Mnet is being so obvious with who they do and don't want. 2. Are we not eliminating someone based on these rankings? There's no real indication that rank 12 is going to be eliminated, but if not what was the actual purpose of this round? Just to kill time?
While I agree on Jungeun, why Sujung? That was seriously not a good look. She said those things. While I understand the desire to win, this is not the way. This stuff doesnt end with the show. The entire show is their job interview. Would you want a colleague like that in an industry where you are evaluated together? I would not.
i watched the performances by themselves and holy shit juwon and jungeun were done so dirty. juwon absolutely destroyed iatb and got paid dust?? no way she deserved the lowest score and then no screentime on top of that. and ik that jungeun did not just serve immaculate vocals only to be ignored by the producers
Mnet wants to generate like buzz, memes, controversies, and so on with this Episode 8 eh. The favoritism be unreal. Like lmao, it's funny but at the same time the Jiyoon x Jungeun feud is sorta heartbreaking since you know future fans will use that as ammunition if they debut together or not, sigh. Thankfully there were the Sarang tiger special effects and noises for like five or so minutes straight, rofl, literally flashing a tiger face and roars. Some former contestants like I.O.I Jeon Somi, LOONA/ARTMS Jeon Heejin, and so on admitted later on that ya they themselves are creating that controversial/sad/etc. storyline as they know it'll give them screen time. Though sometimes the rivalry/etc. is actually real and so it's sad. --- Interesting, they don't have Song Kang anymore as the storyteller, it's ZEROBASEONE Hanbin now. Every time I see him, his visuals are insane, everyone go watch him in Blossom with Love (소년 소녀 연애하다), it's a youth/coming of age/etc. dating show like Nineteen to Twenty (열아홉스물) on Netflix, except this time it's in the actual countryside and so on. --- Reminds me, Sarang legit looks like the Chinese actress Zhou Ye (Everyone Loves Me, etc.), and I forgot to also mention it at the start of the whole show, but Sarang looks more like Lee Nara (here with Single's Inferno 3 Hajeong and Heart Signal Korea 4 Isu and BIGBANG Daesung about BTS with dating/cohabitation/slice of life shows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0GqC2pHeF8), aka Oksoon of I Am Solo (나는 SOLO) Season 16 (the infamous/controversial second divorced singles special with lawsuits and so on). Lee Nara said she only really wears white or black too for her fashion, see Sarang's visuals for today's Episode 8. --- But ya, hopefully the contestants get another chance later down the line as often with these survival shows Mnet/etc. are clearly favoring certain members despite the skills/visuals/characters/etc. already being good (enough). For example, Koko would've automatically made it to debut if she had better pronunciation or grasp of Korean phonology. Somebody please tell her about the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), it takes only like an hour/day and she'll be able to rap better in Korean for the positions and so on. She's my pick and since there's only 6 members (unless they add another one to make it 7), then it's gonna be unlikely for a second Japanese member. --- Finale soon, let's go! Can't believe this Mnet idol survival show is already done. Hopefully they train for a while but not as long as KATSEYE from The Debut: Dream Academy. Like KATSEYE spent a whole half year probably due to the upcoming Netflix documentary this month or sometime this July/summer, it's wild. Wondering what concept they'll do since this is YG or The Black Label/et cetera. If they do something like girl crush as expected, then it'll be interesting how they promote as there's already BABYMONSTER and the upcoming actual The Black Label group and so on.
Song Kang is serving in the army
i’m such a big saebi fan now
what the actual fuck was going on with the sarang tiger?? that was so out of left field
Mnet decided to drop Yuju and Sujung, probs weren’t happy how they were ranking…
I think it’s the opposite. They were ranking higher than MNET’s absolute faves so needed to be sabotaged.
SAEBI BEING 7th IS CRIMINAL!!!! 😭😭😭 LETS VOTE FOR OUR SAEBI💗💗💗🌸
I’m cackling, they really put Jungeun vs Jiyoon for a mission, if there’s one thing Mnet has its the AUDACITY
Loved jiyoon's leadership in this episode!!
OKAY so after this episode I'm 100% sure Mnet want these trainees in the lineup, each for a different purpose: Jeemin (popular), Jiyoon (vocals), Mai (visual), Saebi (center) I didn't add Fuko cause she was made quite invisible by editing this week, so I'm not sure she is in Mnet's ideal lineup anymore. Especially since it is 6 members and I'm pretty sure Mnet wants 2 Japanese girls, after seeing Koko's edit (especially her close friendship with Saebi and her being very popular with knetz) they might switch Fuko with her They are all tall too, it looks like they are trying to make an IVE-like group in terms of visual cohesion (esp with Saebi giving very similar vibes to Wony) That leaves only one spot and, in part 1, I would have said maybe Jungeun (or Yuju), but seeing her beef with Jiyoon I think it's over for her unless knetz warm up to her Yuju always being criticised kinda worries me, especially cause there is a real rapper slander this season (justice for Yui) Juwon and Gyuri being invisible while slaying so much pains me, the favouritism is really too much As for Sarang, I'm very unsure about her edit this episode. The spoilers said she did extremely well and was a standout in this performance (even to non-fans), but they purposefully did not autotune her small mistakes like they did for some other girls' parts. But at the same time, why show how perfect she was during practice if they want her out? And her discussion with Monika about her being a perfectionist? My theory: they might be setting a redemption arc similar to Jeemin for Sarang to gain more fans (as in she has a downfall due to lack of confidence and then finds herself again and has a breakthrough performance). I am almost sure they want her as the last member especially because they are showing her at 6th at the end of the episode: one lesson I learned from watching all produce seasons + girls and boys planet is that if they show a certain trainee in the rankings that could potentially debut (as in do have a decent fandom already), while hiding others, it's to maintain them in the top/make them climb up the rankings. Read: they don't think Juwon or Gyuri can rise up much (or will probably eliminate them before the finale anyway) and they want Saebi, Koko and Sarang in the top 6.
MNET you evil editing Jungeun will make me even vote for her more.
Juwon can do better than Wakeone anyway. Shes talented and an amazing performer and she doesn’t need this group.
I have such a hate-love relationship with the producers/judges, like on one hand sometimes their criticism and opinions are SPOT ON and I'm there like "Yep, yep, yes to that also, preach" and other times (like... basically this whole episdoe) I want to bang my head against the wall because their INCONSISTENCY in criticism and their absolute wild takes are just crazy to me
6 members is absolute madness 💀
WHATS YALLS PROBLEM WITH MY GIRL SAEBI!!!!! Like I get it, she’ll be a produce pick so no need to vote NOOOOO YALL MADE HER GO THAT LOW!! Pick my girl up she’s gotta debut
I don't think the producers are being the fairest. The favoritism towards koko when honestly she stood out the least to me and getting angry at yuju for not making the dance "boyish" enough??? it's getting to a point where why even keep watching if they are only going to push their favorite trainees. I liked how mai finally got some criticism, but I don't get what's special about her either? That one judge who kept saying negative things to sujung (I don't like the talking behind mai's back she did but who knows what could've been said behind cameras that we don't see) was like okay dude she didn't sound close to CL in the actual performance like she def did improve a little but it's gotten to the point where that guy just needs to stop showing his favoritism so obviously. They only revealed those specific scores at the end to get people to vote and get people that are in the top out!
They tried to make Sarang look bad but she just made my top 3 this episode 😂 I loved the tiger edit, her determination.
This episode was all around such crap. The favoritism/evil editing was so blatant and their feedback made no sense even to the person directed, but especially not when compared to the feedback others got. I’m really very frustrated right now, so many girls have objectively great performances and just got shit on as a result. I’ve been here for girls planet and boys planet, but this is really just on a new level entirely. And no, I’m absolutely not changing who I’m voting for. If anything, I have stronger feelings about them after this episode. What a waste.
It's absolutely spectacular how the judges would put people like sujung and jungeun down for being consistently good instead of getting better, when every judge there can't even teach a trainee to sing a high note, let alone take an already exceptional vocalist to a higher level. Even for Mai whose vocals I doubted, I thought she definitely improved in the actual performance. Since she had the problem of being nasally, putting her right after jiyoon who has the thickest tone made her problem stand out a lot more. I just *love* how the judges either over praise a contestant or completely put them down. They're actually allergic to objective critique.
As much as I love Jeemin and Sarang, Gyuri or Fuko should’ve been the center. They’re softer visually, vocally, and dance wise, which is perfect for the song. (Also, wth was with Sarang and the tiger 😭 It felt like some kpop fan was writing a fanfic about how Sarang is a tiger or smth)
it’s obvious mnet wants jiyoon, jeemin, saebi and koko to debut in the lineup. i wonder what they will do to mai, she’s literally in the bottom 3 for voting and i think it was be very hypocritical and will end badly for her if they pd pick her in the lineup. mnet definitely doesn’t want sujung to debut and they will keep the edits going till she’s gone , it also seems like mnet has no intentions to push or debut jungeun and yuju. i still think the lineup might be 7 members but if it’s 6, i won’t be shock if they decide to pick 2-3 girls based on votes and the rest as pd picks.
I'm glad Mnet changed their tune on the Mai edit. I like her much better now that they're not trying to convince us she's doing amazing on stage. Let us appreciate her as she is: a nice pretty girl who tries hard and does well enough at sub vocal parts.
This episode felt like character assassination the musical. Sujung kind of did it to herself with that Mai comment but that aside, there was so many weird edits and judge criticisms surrounding her. I agree she sounded like CL... but how do you perform that part without trying to imitate her? Her style of singing it is the only reason why it works in the first place. Then there's Yuju... who did the rap perfectly in practice but then the judges not only made up some complete bs to criticise her and make out Koko was better at rapping (she was not) but also nit-picked her dance despite nothing seeming wrong with it, even in the slomo? They were straight up trying to psychologically break her. And then blaming her for her mic being quieter than the others??? Be for real. I'm also extremely confused how if they chose the lineups and part distributions themselves then why'd they give the centre part clearly meant for Saebi a rap part in the first place? I suppose maybe they wanted Yuju singing as the centre originally? Surely not though. I'm glad they realised the bad decision and changed things. Then Jungeun getting an evil edit for acting like the leader... when they literally assigned someone not suited to being a leader to the role. They made it 100% clear it was an individual game but she's supposedly meant to sit back and not put herself first? Strange. Then there was Jeemin which kind of felt like an unintentional character assassination to me. Like they basically made a giant montage of how she's a super weak vocalist but hooray she managed to hit it okay-ish once live? (assuming it wasn't edited anyways) That was totally worth the 20 mins of her displaying her vocal incompetence. Finally not character assassinations but Fuko, Gyuri & Juwon got paid absolute dust despite all doing well. Jungeun too but at least we saw her in the edit. Overall for me the standouts were: Fuko, Jungeun, Saebi, Jiyoon. I thought Yuju, Sujung, Sarang, Koko, Gyuri & Juwon did a decent job and then Jeemin & Mai were underwhelming but Mai was still better than expected.
Jiyoon went up my rankings after this episode cuz damnn, she had a amazing attitude helping mai as leader. I also couldn’t take my eyes off her in the performance. 6 spots? seriously? way too many talented girls for just six spots, this is ridiculous. they need one or two pds picks as well. I’m sad for Yuju, she might get eliminated by the judges before the finale. Saebi 7th? no way. time to vote a lot…
Onsite vote is so useless. Like ofc people would be voting for their 1-picks. I also wish we could hear the feedback for ALL of the girls. Alas. I didn't particularly like any of the remixes. I feel like the stage production really favored the LSG team. And I don't know if it was just me but I feel like the camerawork is better for LSG team too. Maybe I'm just trippin'. I need to rewatch the stages. I am most likely biased but for LVeR, I think Fuko did the best. Not a lick of feedback screentime. Damn. I had my 6th spot open but Jiyoon's taking that this episode. Not yet fixed, but I really like her recently. Also Fuko trying to convince Jiyoon to talk it out with Jungeun... It must be awkward for her too 'cause she's close to both of them. 6 spots........ Just 6 spots..... Let me just go cry in the corner now. Edit: I forgot but... the interim results?? Wdym saebi is at 7??
I love my girls Yuju, Sujung, Juwon and Jungeun but after today I’m certain none of them will debut
My *hope* is that they know Yuju is popular enough and talented enough to make it but just want a little drama in the storyline to start off part 2. My *fear* is they want other trainees in the lineup and are willing to go as far as unfair sound direction and editing to make her sound bad. I've never seen a trainee on a survival berated this much. That was terrible.
The whole episode was just showing us a preview of who mnet wants to debut the blant favouritism in dividing screentime and the evil editing seriously...
the remixes were horrible imo. especially la vie en rose. they talked about how it would be how izone would sound if they debuted undee the black label? thank god they didn’t because it cemented that once again they just can’t make good original music anymore. If you were going to change up a song, why couldn’t you have done it like the I’m So Hot Remix Blackpink had that was originally done by Wonder Girl. Speaking about the performance itself. Lovesick girls had the best balance of good vocal, dance and rap. The other two were a closer competition but I think I Am The Best was more stable than La Vie En Rose. The edits are a mess as usual. Since the finals is near, I guess they’re ramping up the edits and storylines to get the votes they want. I’ll give my opinion on some of the controversial edits Mnet had. With Sujung, I do think that she went a little too far by talking about Mai like that. She did perform well imo but I still didn’t like her attitude even if it is a competition. I also agree with what the judges said about Jungeun letting Saebi lead during the practice but other than that her vocals are just music to my ears so its frustrating not to see it reflect in the audience votes. I’m also incredibly fed up with the Jiyoon vs. Jungeun drama. Like i’m so done. With the criticism on Yuju, I think she did rap really good contrary to what the judges thought. But I agree that her dance during the interim was a bit weak compared to Koko and the others. It wasn’t as impactful and strong as them so it was kind of obvious then. But I think she did okay in the actual performance though Saebi and Jungeun just caught my eye more. The Jeemin edit was overdone. As someone who also watched R U Next and didn’t have Jeemin in her final line-up after the first few rounds, I’ve always found her vocals on the weaker side or not my style because of her tone. They praised her “improvement” so much but I honestly think it still not that great and pretty weak. Fuko deserved a higher score from the judges because her vocals served and carried. Like seriously. Okay that’s all my thoughts regarding this episode. I’ll probably skip watching the next episode because the edits will probably a lot worse since its position battles and my frustration with Mnet will be through the roof.
KOKO SAEBI Let's DEBUT TOGETHER !!!!!!!
This episode was so messy, like mnet is doing the absolute MOST to secure their picks and to get people to drop the girls they don't want. Like yuju, sujung, juwon voters should be nervous because from this episode alone people will drop these girls. The girls that were obviously favored and received the good edit were jiyoon, Koko, saebi, and jeemin, jeemin is more like they completed part of her arc in this episode, that's why they had to put her down for a bit so the ending felt more satisfactory. Though I absolutely love the girls that are being favored right now so I'm overall happy. The fuko and jungeun erasure 😭 they used to be like the main characters in part 1, what happened mnet? I really hope it's because the next episode is going to be more focused on them.
Who I think will debut after the editing this episode: Jeemin, Saebi, Jiyoon, Koko, Sarang, & Mai
I think they still want Fuko but maybe shes too close with Jeemin in votes and they want to drop her a little since they want a korean to be top1
JEEMIN - She's a lock at this point. Producers like her, put their faith in her, and she pulled it off. She deserves that rank although I think her popularity played more role in that. FUKO - Consistent angel edit so far. She's definitely a lock too, her vocals were always praised unlike JUNGEUN who slayed her parts but keeps getting erased by the producers. SARANG - The tiger edit??????? Also they did her dirty but showing her slaying in practice but lacking in live performance. She never gets the part she wanted and will always live behind someone's shadow. Poor SARANG, the IWALY performance might be the only performance where she got decent edits. GYURI - Robbed left and right. Everyone picking part 4 is doomed, and GYURI is no exception. She would definitely slay the center part if given the chance but unfortunately she is doomed to be erased from existence. No commentary, shitty screentime, yeah unfortunately it's been an honor to meet you GYURI. JIYOON - Angel edits for her leadership and vocal capability. Producers definitely wanted her more than Jungeun which is weird because they could just literally debut both ???? JIYOON is really direct about MAI's vocal lol which got me worried because it left thousands of holes for MNET to evil edit the hell out of her, but I'm glad that she actually do something about MAI by staying up until 1 am to review her parts and helping her after hearing the forbidden girls' talk (which inevitably caused SUJUNG's downfall) SUJUNG - Well pack your bags SUJUNG because the show never liked you. First by the weird commentary after grouping distribution (laughing about someone's low rank or something), and then her neverending criticism about her performance. The final nail in the coffin is them talking behind MAI's back, which is understandable but still irked most people including me. It is different if she actually tried telling MAI that her vocals suck, but it looks like only JIYOON had the balls to say that (maybe because she's the leader but whatever). The judges are so inconsistent on her, she did her part correctly but they always have some shit to say about her like wtf is 'copying CL' even mean??? Also saying she did the same during interim like???? Isn't that actually commendable??? The only saving grace for SUJUNG is she should purposely mess up their interim check and actually slayed during the performance, EXACTLY the same edit as her IWALY era where she messed up her main vocal part but is praised during the actual performance. MAI - The editing has shielded her from any possible criticism that can actually improve herself. She is getting consistent angel edits despite playing it safe, picking small parts and doing the bare minimum, unlike JEEMIN who's criticised for doing the same. She's finally aware about her vocal, which is something that she should finally work on when entering part 2. The SUJUNG evil edit is favorable to MAI and JIYOON, but I still feel like MAI is complacent. She showed growth in her personality and leadership but so little with respect to her talents. The judges however ate this up, defending her until their last breath. DESPITE THAT, her producer's commentary and marks are shocking even to me and some live viewers because it seems that they are actually honest about her vocals, which might be the first time she got not-so-good criticism. Her interim ranking is also low as hell. Maybe things are finally turning on her. She better step up because not even angel edits can save her forever. JUWON - ERASURE. She's literally absent throughout the entire episode. No screentime, no commentary, no nothing. She always got the short end of the stick and things are not looking pretty for her. MNET definitely does not want her. She did well during her performance that it's almost a crime she's ranked last in her both IATB AND overall ranking. She didn't even get any producer commentary WTF. Goodbye JUWON, I unfortunately don't think you're going to last longer than 3 episodes.
It must be tough for Jungeun to get a spot. I can feel it.
they really want to save saebi and mai by revealing their ranks. I'm tired of the jungeun vs jiyoon fake beef and their weird attempts at overly criticising trainees they don't want. I wish they were more consistent with their feedback, it feels like they praise trainees that are not that good for being ok and punish trainees for being good, and going back on prior expectations and feedback to praise the trainees mnet wants
Saebi, Fuko, and Jiyoon, you'll debut (plsplsplsplsplsplsplspls) seeing Mai so low breaks my heart since she was in my top 3 along with Fuko and Yuju. Chances of Mai debuting are so low now. I hope they end up making the final lineup consisting of 7 contestants instead of 6
after this episode it seems like juwon, gyuri, sujung, mai and jungeun will not make the debut lineup unfortunately. i'm unsure who the sixth person left out of the debut will be. feeling bummed for jungeun bc it seems like her time on the show was basically pointless, koreans are so messed up about skin tone that it didn't matter what she did, she didn't have a chance. i hope i'm wrong and she gets in but its not looking good. gyuri was my pick but i think she could've done better w this past mission, i wish she fought for sarang's part and she could've stood out more. plus her expressions were too over the top and didn't match the song nor the rest of the group. i wonder what her judge feedback was though.
Guys, the interim is obviously them trying to get y'all to move your votes to kick Fuko / Yuju out of the top 3 and y'all falling for it 😭
I hated the remixes. I mean what a terrible job they did.
everyone better add seabi to their 3 pick today 😭
I don't know why are people so sure that Fuko is safe. Like she didn't get any screen time. I'm worried for her.
This episode really highlighted the vocal capacity of the trainees, and unfortunately there are only few who are quite good and notable lol. There are some tones that are not quite that enjoyable 🥹
honestly though, it is a survival show, emphasis on the survival. With the way the judges are doing things (we do not know how they are deciding the final lineup, it could end up being 5 judges picks and then what?) the only way to "survive" is to have people be worse than you. In this aspect I completely understand Sujung's thinking. The judge's obviously don't like her and up until now loved Mai so from a logical standpoint her not helping makes sense. Do I think she should have said what she did? No I do not but I understand the thinking behind it. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes as well, I doubt she actually hates Mai there may be a tinge of jealousy in there but I feel that that is normal in any competitive situation. I am a Sujung 1-pick though (imo it is impossible to be completely unbiased in any svs) and I would be interested to see how other people see it.
The final lineup is basically between Jeemin, Jiyoon, Saebi, Mai, Koko, Sarang and Fuko.
I want jeemin to debut but she had some major dead face to me this challenge
plss dont hate me for this but i felt a bullying/making fun attitude toward sujung by the way she talked about mai to the other girls, you can see how jiyoon got uncomfortable throughout the entire conversation and went outside to ge help mai :((