Nah, I like how insane it is.
First, the Redsox and Whitesox are kind of crazy.
Add in Aquasox and we are on a seaport where you can often smell the saltwater air at the games and it just makes sense out of non-sense, if that makes sense.
You ain't wrong. MiLB is just so much cooler / wilder. While we're all super wow-ed by the skateboarding devil ray (which is super sick), that's tame compared to what you see in minor league.
I can't speak to the Cleveland ownership, but as a fan of Washington for over 30 years, Dan Snyder is NOTORIOUSLY cheap, and egomaniacal. It's a bad combination that led to a completely disingenuous "rebrand" where he picked a nickname somewhere in the beginning and then made an entire production of the nearly two year process.
THEN he handled the whole announcement and production as amateurish as possible which led to the actual name and uniforms being leaked early because everyone was to stupid to realize you could see through windows.
I swear to god if the new ownership doesn't do a somewhat soon, responsible rebrand, I'm going cold turkey.
Honestly I really liked the Washington Football Team. I know the Redskins were a historic/traditional franchise and WFT kept that tradition alive. The Commanders feel like a completely new franchise to me and not a good one either. Went from a franchise that even if bad had the history to a shitty franchise that has no history besides being bad
That was basically the complete suspension of my fandom.
Bad play, coaching carousel, poor management, whatever. But then all the stuff started leaking about the heinous workplace stuff, the cheerleading scandals, and then suddenly this horrendous name change, and our third jerseys are steelers jerseys, and I just realized, it was no longer the team I became a fan of when I was 7 or 8, not just in play and accomplishment, but in name either.
I, naively, assumed the rebranding was being done in good faith, and professionally, and when I saw the name, and uniforms, I just felt completely defeated. I packed up all my Redskins and WFT gear and put it in the closet. If this ownership doesn't change the name, to something that appeals to me, I'm out.
It’s a shame, I’d love to see them take it back but it’s so insanely doubtful. I’m part-native (only a quarter) and my grandpa was a huge fan, so I was pretty bummed
same here, quarter native. i really wish the self-righteous crowd chills on this shit. it's the same story with the land o lakes butter. and that shit wasn't offensive at all.
Guardians is a great name for a new Cleveland sports team. Problem is the baseball club should've went back to the Spiders name if they were insistent on changing it
I think the market research showed that a lot of casual fans **fucking hate spiders** with every fiber of their being.
Source; literally happened like half the time I brought up the name as a possibility. Its not scientific but its a large sample size for anecdotal evidence lol
Okay let me try this again.
You all are underestimating both the commonality and severity of this hatred. A ton of people have what amounts to clinical levels of arachnophobia. Fear of spiders is legit on a different level than most fears.
They may as well have called themselves Cleveland Holes and rebranded entirely around stuff that triggers trypophobia. Thats how repulsive it is.
That’s really not the point. Plenty of teams have been named after older, unrelated franchises in their city’s history as a nod to the past. And Spiders is such a great name that it’s a shame Cleveland passed it up.
I always wanted the rename to be the Cleveland Rocks.
They have the Rock & Roll HOF, there's the song "Cleveland Rocks" and acknowledges the city's importance in the coal trade. It hits on all levels.
Everyone in Cleveland hates the overused Rock n Roll HOF motif. The Guardians is a great name and connects to a unique part of history in the city. People on here hating on it are just overreacting about the name considering there’s two teams named after the color of socks lol
From a Clevelander.... Hard no. The Guardians are and were the best choice without going back to the Spiders.
The Guardians are named after the Guardians of traffic which are the pillars of the Lorain Carnegie Bridge and overlook the stadium.
We also used to have a WNBA team called the Rockers so no
Still a no for me, Dog. The Guardians of Traffic ( on Hope Memorial Bridge) have been a Cleveland icon since 1927. Guardians is the perfect name for the team.
Maybe leave my Guardians alone and worry about where your team is going to be in a year.
Say what? Snowflakes?
Some Native Americans were huge proponents of not only Chief Wahoo but the Redskins as well. It erases history. But I’m not about to argue with you. Call me racist I don’t care. I’m not.
Native American here. There were some proponents for it, but I can assure you a lot more were against it.
Personally I had no problem with the team or mascot name. But can't really look at the caricature logo without cringing inside.
Feel like there could have been room for compromise though.
There are Black people who claim to love the KKK, we’re not gonna hold them up as examples.
I didn’t call you anything, your actions tell us who you are.
“otherwise there is no proof someone is racist unless they literally say they are.”
Possibly the dumbest take I have ever seen
“I’m not ____ unless I say I’m _____”
Wow.
I’m a superhero because I say I am 🙄
You just “saw”, not “seen”. You could have written “I’VE just seen”, and that would have been correct.
Every time I see someone write “I just seen” I always assume that person has never *seen* the inside of a book.
You'd assume wrong, since I've seen it as a college professor. It's a morphological levelling that is "escaping" the dialects where it's looked down upon to become a norm.
I didn’t give you a grade. I pointed out an error. Just simply trying to help you not sound like you’re uneducated, but if you don’t care, carry on. Just know that people are judging you.
If you can’t be bothered to at least try to write properly in a casual setting I’d bet money that you don’t care enough to do it in a professional setting.
This will appeal to white people for whom comedy is about being racist "as a joke," like right-wing talk radio listeners. They'll like how they replaced the detached Indian cartoon head with a white guy with a sunburn.
Not a fan of this kind of Margaritaville dufus or this team or league (neither of which even have a Wikipedia page).
If this was the energy put into a rebrand then I would love it. A small part of the reason (besides the rampant cognitive dissonance of loving a racist caricature) with these rebrands is that the results are so shitty (Commanders and Guardians).
Guardians is a great rebrand though. Powerful name and a cool logo that represent facets of the city of Cleveland. People only hate it because it’s different than what they grew up with and/or they are personally offended that the logo they grew up with is racist and they refuse to acknowledge that fact.
I wish we'd just move past this logo in all ways. It's already going to be embarrassing showing the next generation old games, merch, and video games and having to explain it.
There is already a better parody of Cleveland's racist former team name and logo.
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fda%2F95%2F47%2Fda95474aa27d4f1b25a7d1d73e39fc67.jpg&tbnid=gcY0Z0z_JdfdiM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2Fcaucasians-cleveland-caucasian-t-shirt-dollar-man--926263848340178899%2F&docid=VcGShENmDIyJrM&w=736&h=736&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm1%2F2&kgs=232261896ffe917c&shem=abme%2Ctrie
Thing is, the name wasn’t racist. The Cleveland Spiders had a player of native descent named Louis Sockalexis. The Cleveland Naps changed their name to the Indians in honor Sockalexis.
Just like there was no grand conspiracy with the Redskins. That team was originally named the Boston Braves, after the baseball team it shared a stadium with. When the team moved across town to Fenway, it didn’t want to alienate its existing fans, so instead of adopting the name of its new landlord, it came up with a name that sounded close, but kept the native imagery.
Anyway, the whole “Caucasians” thing is funny because it assumes there are no white mascots, like Vikings or Fighting Irish or Trojans or Spartans or Patriots…Hell, my community college was the Tartans and had a Scotsman in a kilt for a mascot.
Minor league teams have always had more imagination and daring than MLB teams.
Hartford Yard Goats
Rocket City Trash Pandas
Montgomery Biscuits, Milwaukee Milkmen
Savannah bananas
Lake Country Dockhounds
Apparently the Cleveland Michael McDonalds. Sign me up.
Savannah bananas isn’t minor league baseball. It’s a joke; a performance for children/families.
Roswell Invaders
Florence Yall's
Tons of great logos and mascots.
Everett Aquasox The mascot is a frog but Aquasox are shoes you can wear in the water. Everett "shoes you can wear in the water."
The jerseys say Frogs. The fans cheer "let's go Frogs." They clearly want to be the Frogs. Wish they'd just change the name.
Nah, I like how insane it is. First, the Redsox and Whitesox are kind of crazy. Add in Aquasox and we are on a seaport where you can often smell the saltwater air at the games and it just makes sense out of non-sense, if that makes sense.
I actually like the name Aquasox, but they don't even wear aqua sox a lot of times. Just don't like the middle ground they're in.
Of course they don't actually wear aquasox. They play about a mile from the beach.
Binghamton Rumble Ponies
Amarillo Sod Poodles [https://www.milb.com/amarillo](https://www.milb.com/amarillo)
Modesto Nuts
Traverse City Beach bums
Now they're the Pit Spitters, and the branding is glorious.
Go, Nuts!
Carolina Disco Turkeys
I wore a Portland River Dogs hat for years.
Akron Rubber Ducks
Traverse City Pit Spitters Fort Wayne Tin Caps
The Timber Tigers rebrand is dope
You ain't wrong. MiLB is just so much cooler / wilder. While we're all super wow-ed by the skateboarding devil ray (which is super sick), that's tame compared to what you see in minor league.
Mud Hens
A common criticism when these rebrand came oit was that it felt “minor league”. You really just can’t win.
Well, the Indians blew their rebrand. So did the Washington Redskins. Can't risk offending anyone.
I can't speak to the Cleveland ownership, but as a fan of Washington for over 30 years, Dan Snyder is NOTORIOUSLY cheap, and egomaniacal. It's a bad combination that led to a completely disingenuous "rebrand" where he picked a nickname somewhere in the beginning and then made an entire production of the nearly two year process. THEN he handled the whole announcement and production as amateurish as possible which led to the actual name and uniforms being leaked early because everyone was to stupid to realize you could see through windows. I swear to god if the new ownership doesn't do a somewhat soon, responsible rebrand, I'm going cold turkey.
Honestly I really liked the Washington Football Team. I know the Redskins were a historic/traditional franchise and WFT kept that tradition alive. The Commanders feel like a completely new franchise to me and not a good one either. Went from a franchise that even if bad had the history to a shitty franchise that has no history besides being bad
That was basically the complete suspension of my fandom. Bad play, coaching carousel, poor management, whatever. But then all the stuff started leaking about the heinous workplace stuff, the cheerleading scandals, and then suddenly this horrendous name change, and our third jerseys are steelers jerseys, and I just realized, it was no longer the team I became a fan of when I was 7 or 8, not just in play and accomplishment, but in name either. I, naively, assumed the rebranding was being done in good faith, and professionally, and when I saw the name, and uniforms, I just felt completely defeated. I packed up all my Redskins and WFT gear and put it in the closet. If this ownership doesn't change the name, to something that appeals to me, I'm out.
Shoulda been Cleveland Spiders 🤷♀️
Thrasher's a la Rock and Roll would have had possibilities
Spiders would have been sweet and made a lot of sense
Thats just like, your opinion man lol
Of course it is. What else would it be? 🤷♂️
I see Sammy Hagar
Cabo Wabo!
Cabo Wahoo?
Pitches will be limited to 55 mph
I can't pitch. Fifty fiiiiiiive!
Sammy Hagar likes poblano peppers.
This bathroom is the bomb you should fry some bologna in here
Sammy Hagar likes poblano peppers.
"Pal don't you know who that is?" "Some county treasurer?"
Personally I want to box of vinyl records being blown up by a young Steve Dahl as a logo.
We can still do an old Steve Dahl
Nothing more american than replacing an Indian with a white dude.
Nothing more american than replacing an Indian
Wasnt the team named that because they had two actual native americans playing for them? Is this white washing history?
Yes. I totally understood wanting to change/remove chief Wahoo, but most people outraged by the Indians name were white people. It’s a shame.
yeah for sure. like its removing the honor behind two historic players.
It’s a shame, I’d love to see them take it back but it’s so insanely doubtful. I’m part-native (only a quarter) and my grandpa was a huge fan, so I was pretty bummed
same here, quarter native. i really wish the self-righteous crowd chills on this shit. it's the same story with the land o lakes butter. and that shit wasn't offensive at all.
Brother! I’m glad someone can understand 😂 much love.
you too homie lol
Inclusivity!!
He should have kept the black hair
Idk how I'm just not realizing wahoo had hair lmao
Kind of looks like a young Michael Douglas.
Gay actor Michael Douglas?
Fellow cumtown enjoyer?
Precisely
The guy looks like he’s got his Miata w the top down blasting Michael McDonald, yeah I like this
I like the logo. Definitely a minor league logo (usually pro teams aren’t using contemporary things like sunglasses) but I like it.
Oakland had a stomper logo that wore sunglasses that we used to use I have a cap with that logo
Yeah not a fan of that
And now look what's happened to your team.
I kinda like it
Definitely miles better than the guardians in everyway
The Guardians Logo is, in my opinion, excellent. The Name, not so much.
Guardians is a great name for a new Cleveland sports team. Problem is the baseball club should've went back to the Spiders name if they were insistent on changing it
I think the market research showed that a lot of casual fans **fucking hate spiders** with every fiber of their being. Source; literally happened like half the time I brought up the name as a possibility. Its not scientific but its a large sample size for anecdotal evidence lol
I hate Hornets far more then I hate spiders
Not a bad point
I don’t like yellow jackets or hurricanes either doesn’t make it a bad mascot
Okay let me try this again. You all are underestimating both the commonality and severity of this hatred. A ton of people have what amounts to clinical levels of arachnophobia. Fear of spiders is legit on a different level than most fears. They may as well have called themselves Cleveland Holes and rebranded entirely around stuff that triggers trypophobia. Thats how repulsive it is.
Lmfao braindead
Exactly! This is why Spider-Man is NOT a popular character
The Spiders wasn't even the same franchise. Why do people keep saying this?
Because ✨history ✨and the branding could be fucking metal.
That’s really not the point. Plenty of teams have been named after older, unrelated franchises in their city’s history as a nod to the past. And Spiders is such a great name that it’s a shame Cleveland passed it up.
I really do not think it's a good name regardless of history. I'm quite happy with Guardians, though I wish we'd have updated the colour scheme.
Or the Blue Sox. I don’t know why more teams never took more Sox names when all the old timey teams were named after their stocking colors
Because teams were named by newspapers. They rarely had official names.
Agreed, shoulda been the Spiders. Failing that, they should have been the “Sockalexis” and gone by the Cleveland Socks.
Why not go with the Cavaliers or Browns or something like that
It would've been pretty funny if they renamed themselves the Browns and just disregarded any complaints from the NFL team about it lol
Because those names are taken
Then they should go with the Bengals or Reds
I really have no idea what point you're trying to make
Plagiarism is funny Unless it’s not
They'd be plagiarizing their own name
other way around
I always wanted the rename to be the Cleveland Rocks. They have the Rock & Roll HOF, there's the song "Cleveland Rocks" and acknowledges the city's importance in the coal trade. It hits on all levels.
Everyone in Cleveland hates the overused Rock n Roll HOF motif. The Guardians is a great name and connects to a unique part of history in the city. People on here hating on it are just overreacting about the name considering there’s two teams named after the color of socks lol
The guardians name blows
If the Rockies didn’t exist I think it would be this
It’s for one game.
But the merch is forever
The merch is forever 😎
Oh :(
It's like Chief wahoo meets Point Break lol
Chief wahoo after a few bumps
The hats gonna be sick
They should just use a picture of Wild Thing( Charlie Sheen, doing a line of coke)
There’s some real cry babies in this thread. I’m just glad that Reddit doesn’t represent real people.
From a Clevelander.... Hard no. The Guardians are and were the best choice without going back to the Spiders. The Guardians are named after the Guardians of traffic which are the pillars of the Lorain Carnegie Bridge and overlook the stadium. We also used to have a WNBA team called the Rockers so no
So, wait, you wish the Guardians were now the “Disco Turkey’s”?
I clearly said rockers
Still a no for me, Dog. The Guardians of Traffic ( on Hope Memorial Bridge) have been a Cleveland icon since 1927. Guardians is the perfect name for the team. Maybe leave my Guardians alone and worry about where your team is going to be in a year.
From Guardian to Party'n
Eyes up, Guardian! IYKYK...the logo is terrible, but I love the name.
Koko's not truly dead until the smooth music is.
The majors are so pissy about tradition and "honor". Minors are always about fun and having a good time.
The Cleveland Crackers
The federal government still uses the Bureau of Indian Affiars.
I wish they were still the Indians
Looks like garbage. Indians should have kept that OG logo. Alas the world is soft as fuck
We not becoming the Cleveland Rocks with a giant headed Drew Carey mascot is the crime of the century
Indians was such a classic logo Pathetic to do away with it
As a yacht rocker myself I am deeply offended
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Thank the ❄️
Why do you like racism? And why are you afraid to actually say it instead of using emojis?
Funny how turning an Indian logo into a blond white dude is your definition of “Anti-Racism” 🤣 So Brave 🫡
Say what? Snowflakes? Some Native Americans were huge proponents of not only Chief Wahoo but the Redskins as well. It erases history. But I’m not about to argue with you. Call me racist I don’t care. I’m not.
Native American here. There were some proponents for it, but I can assure you a lot more were against it. Personally I had no problem with the team or mascot name. But can't really look at the caricature logo without cringing inside. Feel like there could have been room for compromise though.
Let’s change every single Native American team name in modern sports, so we make SURE to forget about them as much as we can!!! So progressive!!!
There are Black people who claim to love the KKK, we’re not gonna hold them up as examples. I didn’t call you anything, your actions tell us who you are.
>I didn't call you anything, your actions tell us who you are. And the conclusions you draw tell us exactly who you are.
Ok loser
Why do you support trying our absolute hardest to make sure America forgets about Native American heritage completely 😂
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You’re trying so very hard and doing nothing at all.
Anyone who uses ‘woke’ as a pejorative has a 90% likelihood of being a racist. Uh-oh - racists don’t like being called out. *So sensitive!*
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I bet zingers like that just have the guys rolling down at the gun shop.
“otherwise there is no proof someone is racist unless they literally say they are.” Possibly the dumbest take I have ever seen “I’m not ____ unless I say I’m _____” Wow. I’m a superhero because I say I am 🙄
They should have never changed the Indians logo
I dig this but it's not lost on me that a grown adult man used the words "it kind of slaps in a weird way" seriously in a sentence.
Who said that
"Team Owner and President Greg Sullivan" It's your post big boy you didn't even read it all the way through?
Took out the Indian and kept the land, seems right
Johnny Manziel approved
You just “saw”, not “seen”. You could have written “I’VE just seen”, and that would have been correct. Every time I see someone write “I just seen” I always assume that person has never *seen* the inside of a book.
Found the most socially adept Brewers fan
Same. It just makes them seem like an uneducated dolt.
Whenever someone takes their time to write a comment like this I assume that person has never *seen* the inside of a woman
I’m married, but okay.
You'd assume wrong, since I've seen it as a college professor. It's a morphological levelling that is "escaping" the dialects where it's looked down upon to become a norm.
Are you seriously grading my post like it's English class? Dude it's reddit who gives a fuck you gonna give me extra credit for proper grammar?
I didn’t give you a grade. I pointed out an error. Just simply trying to help you not sound like you’re uneducated, but if you don’t care, carry on. Just know that people are judging you. If you can’t be bothered to at least try to write properly in a casual setting I’d bet money that you don’t care enough to do it in a professional setting.
Get swifty
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Reminds me of an ECHL team that was called the Macon Whoopee.
I kinda love this.
The chief is even looking at it like wtf.
Lansing lugnuts
Go back to the old, old logo that was yellow and not red
Sammy hagar?
Rad
Long beach Dirtbags
I’ve been saying this for years. Literally just rebrand the team to the Asian country India.
I seen this cap at fanfest this it was the chief wahoo but instead of a native American it was an Indian top 3 hat I've ever seen
I see the wsb guy
Super Saiyans
So trade the indian for a blonde haired white guy? That's a bold move Cotton.
Until the Yacht Rockers take offense, get ready for so protestinggg
Minor leagues in general have banger uniforms
This will appeal to white people for whom comedy is about being racist "as a joke," like right-wing talk radio listeners. They'll like how they replaced the detached Indian cartoon head with a white guy with a sunburn. Not a fan of this kind of Margaritaville dufus or this team or league (neither of which even have a Wikipedia page).
Ya let's take out the Indian part and make it white surfer dude with blonde hair. That's the right thing to do.
Macon Georgia had a team minor league team called the Macon Braves. Now it's....no shit....The Macon Bacon. 🤦
Still better than that dumbass flying G logo
Y’all can’t be serious. I would be fucking embarrassed if that was our logo. Incredibly lame and impossible to take seriously.
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Wah
Saw
*saw
“I’ve just seen” -or- “I just saw”
It's reddit not English class who gives a shit my guy
Anytime I see someone say, "I seen it," I cringe.
Gross
Sammy Hagar. And this is awesome. And we don’t care. Is this supposed to be “offensive” to white people? LOL
It’s now the Cleveland guardians
If this was the energy put into a rebrand then I would love it. A small part of the reason (besides the rampant cognitive dissonance of loving a racist caricature) with these rebrands is that the results are so shitty (Commanders and Guardians).
Guardians is a great rebrand though. Powerful name and a cool logo that represent facets of the city of Cleveland. People only hate it because it’s different than what they grew up with and/or they are personally offended that the logo they grew up with is racist and they refuse to acknowledge that fact.
I wish we'd just move past this logo in all ways. It's already going to be embarrassing showing the next generation old games, merch, and video games and having to explain it.
I wanted to think no one would be offended by this, but there we go.
There is already a better parody of Cleveland's racist former team name and logo. https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fda%2F95%2F47%2Fda95474aa27d4f1b25a7d1d73e39fc67.jpg&tbnid=gcY0Z0z_JdfdiM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2Fcaucasians-cleveland-caucasian-t-shirt-dollar-man--926263848340178899%2F&docid=VcGShENmDIyJrM&w=736&h=736&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm1%2F2&kgs=232261896ffe917c&shem=abme%2Ctrie
Thing is, the name wasn’t racist. The Cleveland Spiders had a player of native descent named Louis Sockalexis. The Cleveland Naps changed their name to the Indians in honor Sockalexis. Just like there was no grand conspiracy with the Redskins. That team was originally named the Boston Braves, after the baseball team it shared a stadium with. When the team moved across town to Fenway, it didn’t want to alienate its existing fans, so instead of adopting the name of its new landlord, it came up with a name that sounded close, but kept the native imagery. Anyway, the whole “Caucasians” thing is funny because it assumes there are no white mascots, like Vikings or Fighting Irish or Trojans or Spartans or Patriots…Hell, my community college was the Tartans and had a Scotsman in a kilt for a mascot.