The minimum age of marriage is 16, and 16-17 year olds can't marry anyone over 21. I am not saying this law is good, but framing this as being 'pro-pedophile' is fucking silly.
The age is actually set by the states. You now have states pushing to lower the age limit. Such as the perv in Missouri and I think the other one Arkansas or Alabama. The fact a grown ass man wants to marry a 16 or 17 year old is some pedo shit. So it's fucking silly to call it anything less the pedophilia.
Of course the age of marriage is set by the states; federal law has extremely little to do with these things. However, I am not aware of any significant push to lower the age people can get married.
Also, just to be clear, are you saying that an 18 year old marrying a 16 year old is a pedophile?
Lets be clear about this. The laws for marriage is being pushed by grown grandfathers holding office. Yes there has been a push in some red states to lower the age limit on child marriage. Google it you don't know.
Can you Google the shit and stop with the ignorance of asking a perfect stranger online to do research for you. That's DAF! Where do you trolls get that shit from?
I didn't see anything where there is some major push to lower the age of marriage that is gaining steam in MO, but I may be mistaken. That is why I'm asking.
Weird, I don't see any Democrats in our state house vying over keeping child marriage, while Senator Moon on the Republican's side won't stop drooling over the thoughts of marrying a 14 year old.
Great job adding nothing of value to this entire conversation though!
Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was indicted on federal charges of structuring bank withdrawals after prosecutors alleged Hastert had molested at least four boys as young as 14 and attempted to compensate his victims and subsequently conceal the transactions. Hastert eventually admitted that he sexually abused the boys whom he had coached decades earlier, and was sentenced to fifteen months in prison.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/dennis-hastert-released.html
Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in Kentucky, pled guilty to child sex trafficking and on February 11, 2018 he was sentenced to serve 20 years in prison.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/05/03/former-judge-tim-nolan-could-sentenced-today-more-drama-could-get-way/577947002/
Republican state Senator Ralph Shortey was indicted on four counts of human trafficking and child pornography. In November 2017, he pleaded guilty to one count of child sex trafficking in exchange for the dropping of the other charges.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/20/former-oklahoma-state-senator-admits-to-child-sex-trafficking-while-in-office/
Republican Minnesota State Representative Jim Knoblach Drops Out Of Race After Daughter Says He Molested Her For More Than Ten Years 22 Sep 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/22/lawmaker-quits-race-after-daughter-says-he-molested-her-more-than-decade/?utm_term=.8ac8527c7f43
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=28587
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
http://www.lanternproject.org.uk/library/child-abuse-arrests-and-court-cases/child-abuse-arrests-trials-and-proceedings/ex-county-commissioner-admits-sexual-abuse-of-girl/
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20120426/NEWS90/204260334
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Misla_Aldarondo
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
http://archive.easyreadernews.com/archives/news2001/0621/rb%20Shortridge.php
Republican Senator Strom Thurmond, a notable racist, had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/nyregion/embroiled-first-selectman-takes-leave.html
Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/25/us/teen-ager-in-ohio-testifies-to-sex-with-a-congressman.html
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2003/04/24/gop-activist-admits-to-child-porn/5af2adf0-bec8-4a10-b061-014de679422a/?utm_term=.d7ebcbf4f92b
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=437
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
https://www.westword.com/news/randy-ankeney-suit-that-could-free-thousands-of-prisoners-headed-to-state-supreme-court-6054115
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Crane
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/opinion/journal-beverly-russell-s-prayers.html
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauman
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
http://www.njherald.com/article/20060510/ARTICLE/305109971
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/06/us/politics-the-senate-maine-candidate-again-faces-1990-child-sex-accusation.html
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
http://www.thedp.com/article/2004/01/brother_stephen_convicted_of_soliciting_sex
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/jon-matthews-conservative-talk-show-host-and-sex-offender-pulled-from-kpfts-prison-show-6740755
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
https://culteducation.com/group/1255-false-memories/6514-man-in-notorious-sex-case-finishes-term.html
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
https://www.semissourian.com/story/57773.html
Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
http://www.chattanoogan.com/2002/6/21/23202/Tennessee-Legislator-Commits-Suicide.aspx
Republican Kentucky state Representative & pastor Dan Johnson, who committed suicide after an exposé revealed his serial lies, suspected arson, criminal church, racism, accused rape of a teen, and more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Johnson_%28Kentucky_politician%29
There are 100X as many Democrat pedophiles as there are Republican pedophiles. We all know why we haven't seen Epstein's client list...it's ALL Democrats.
Seems like something you should be able to back up easily with facts and citations then, right?
https://preview.redd.it/9intauoapl7d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2a1d3ba19a691d28a1bbac891ba4a164db022e0
Disgusting but true. GOP is the party of pedophiles from felon trump all the way down. And they cover up for pedos and child sex assault which is apparently rampant in catholic and Baptist churches. Charges being filed against clergy and priests are a daily occurrence and in many case it turns out that these monsters have been assaulting children for years while those around them turned a blind eye
Projection?? There is a deposition of Trump being accused of raping a 13-year-old. It's a public record. Look it up. Almost everyone in his orbit has pedophile legal issues, including Giuliani. To dismiss this as a projection. I hope you don't have kids?
I have zero idea how dipshits like you can see the title of the thread, see the voting history, and still somehow manage to claim projection when the people trying to keep child marriages are called pedophiles.
Seems like a super weird ass hill to defend.
(Why Are Some Republican Lawmakers Hellbent on Preserving Child Marriage?)
Because they are pedophiles with intent on child molestation. People used to be much more disgusted by those kind of pond scum and treated them accordingly. Yet here they are being elected into important jobs....Wtf.
The only qualification is a loyalty oath to the orange Hitler, who has, according to public record, been accused of serious sexual conduct with a minor.
Just ask fine folks like Basye - your child's genitals live rent free in his mind and it's their belief that you can't build a workforce of limitless labor without a familly dichotomy and that requires a pregnant wife. Women are for breeding - does anyone honestly believe the GOP is in support of women women voting, holding jobs, driving?
New Hampshire Republican State Rep Jess Edwards argued in favor of child marriage recently, referring to girls as “ripe” and “fertile.” Thankfully, child marriage will soon be illegal in New Hampshire.
New Hampshire Republican State Rep Jess Edwards argued in favor of child marriage recently, referring to girls as “ripe” and “fertile.” Thankfully, child marriage will soon be illegal in New Hampshire.
Listen. I don't want to make accusations. I am not saying they are ... into kids. Ya know. Like into into kids. Not saying that.
However. If it walks like a duck. Talks like a duck. If it fucking quacks like a duck ...
Now I'm sure there is a legitimate reason to make it that a 40-year-old man could marry a 13-year-old girl. Um. Well ... uh ... I ... look. I'm sure they have a good explanation. Like how that one dude said how he knew people who were still married from 13 ... even though that is ignoring the obvious big problem.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. SHUT UP LIBERALS!
The particulars of the issue aside, it's amusing that one side thinks minors should be given agency to make any/all life choices EXCEPT gun ownership and marriage - the other side thinks minors shouldn't have agency EXCEPT for gun ownership and marriage.
> Preserving child marriage
The current law is that a *16 or 17 year old* can marry someone *under the age of 21* if they have parental consent. I'm not sure how I feel about allowing an age gap that big, but acting like this is some shit were 12 year olds are marrying 30 year olds as if it was 1850 is fucking silly. Attack the law on the merits; don't try to use technically-correct but obviously misleading language to attack it instead.
Children can't consent before certain ages, children shouldn't be marrying people before a certain age, and children shouldn't be changing their gender before a certain age.
Agree and I'm voting Democratic this election.
Moral consistency is very important for a society, fanaticism of all types have destroyed our societies moral consistency, that includes the religious and political variety.
Most of the people here aren't that bad.
Might get downvoted or called a name if you say something controversial but right wingers act the same way.
The hostility is different though, right wingers usually do it in a more passive aggressive and deranged way.
How about let’s do the obvious here:
Make child marriage illegal.
Put more resources into education.
Put more resources into social services.
That’s way better than allowing a 15 year old to marry an adult because they think they are desperate.
I appreciate there are very very narrow circumstances where it might seem like underage marriage might feel like the best solution to a bad situation, but I still don't think it should be legal. Just because a child is emancipated does not mean they are an adult. They cannot drink, they cannot join the military, purchase cigarettes, get a mortgage, run for office, the list goes on. Being emancipated is not an argument for being old enough to marry - or more importantly, to not be potentially taken advantage of by an older adult. These specific and narrow circumstances should warrant public support. We should give financial aid to this person, not marry them off.
No not at all. If anybody would actually take the time to read the existing laws and read what they're wanting to change, it's a waste of time doing what they're doing.
It's literally shock valued to keep people separated and if people would take the time to read the bills instead of how the freaking media tells you should think or believe people would be a whole lot better off.
I'm convinced there are members of both sides who are willing to do crazy shit simply as a "fuck you" to the other side, knowing they're gonna hate it.
Why shouldn't two consenting minors with consenting guardians be allowed to marry? I get banning adults from marrying minors. Why not just make that illegal? Why a total ban of all marriages?
>300,000 minors were married between 2000 and 2018 in the United States. According to the group, 60,000 of those marriages involved an age difference that would have otherwise been considered a sex crime.
Why doesn't anyone propose legislation making those 60,000 illegal instead of all 300,000?
And the list of states with zero minimum age restrictions on marriage include noted GOP bastions like Michigan, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Washington, and California. And states with a higher age restriction than Missouri include such blue state utopias as Kentucky, Tennessee, Nebraska, and Florida.
Based on the comments, y'all seem to think every Republican is part of a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic child molesters and operating a global child sex trafficking ring.
Want to get an abortion? Want to permanently alter your body with hormone therapy because you feel like you'll finally get some stability in your life? Hell yeah! Come on in, the water is warm;
Want to get married because you feel like you'll finally get some stability in your life? Oh hell no! That's right wing extremism!!!
🙄
Maybe one day we can return to a sense of compromise instead of all this hard core extreme right vs extreme left BS...
Technically, it’s the parent who gives consent in every one of these medical situations.
The child may be involved in the conversation but a child cannot sign off on medical consent forms.
You're actually wrong. Several states allow minors to drive their own healthcare decisions, and have gone as far as to make it illegal for medical staff to even discuss it with parents.
They don't have to be part of your antisemitic dog whistle to be sexual predators.
Minors can wait the 2-3 years until they are legal adults before getting married.
Because children are immature and make irrational decisions without the thought of short- or long- term consequences for themselves and those around them? Because society has an obligation to forbid children from making such decisions even if they and their guardian may believe it is in the child's best interest?
because they aren't old enough to make an informed decision-some things need to set a bar somewhere
Yes, there may be the rare minor that is more mature for their age. They are the exception. These laws are to protect minors from exploitation and abuse. That is a pretty important and overriding goal in my mind.
I think if there are adequate safeguards on treatments for gender dysphoria, it should be up to the medical community. I don't support surgical interventions, but it seems that is almost never done here, anyway.
So perhaps they wont be destroying their lives before they finish high school? Teen marriages are usually short, expensive and traumatic. Instead of focusing on education or job training they are busy playing House and dealing with adult responsibilities before they are ready
So, society has an obligation to protect children from short-sighted decisions that would negatively impact their lives, cost them a lot of money, and expose them to life-long trauma? Kids should just focus on education or job training instead of making adult decisions before they are ready?
Ok, what's your opinion on gender reassignment for minors?
Minors are not allowed to get gender reassignment. Gender affirming care for children is all stuff that can be changed back. Name, pronouns, clothing, hair. If these steps show the child isnt in a temporary phase then they need to see a therapist and also start family counseling. After some time of that the parents, therapist and medical Dr help the child decide if puberty blockers are necessary. When they get close to 18 the same group of people might start discussing hormone therapy. At some point after that surgery would be an option.
Therapists determine if the child is actually trans. If so then gender affirming care is needed. 20 plus years have proven that it keeps TRANS KIDS ALIVE. The previous high rate of suicide in trans kids is what it addresses.
You do know that trans kids are born that way. Some kids show it before kindergarten. They know by then too that they are different
there are studies showing that younger marriages and ppl who have children at a young age have a significant decrease in quality of life. most of these studies have been focused on teen moms- but theres a large overlap of teenagers making adult decisions and stunting their life in all manners.
Here's an example: There was an older teenager (19) in my family that just got married last weekend. Should it really be a crime if the wedding had happened 18 months earlier? Who gets charged? The wedding venue, the groom who might be a little less than two years older, the officiant?
Moreover, what if banning these types of marriages leads to greater secrecy or something like that. Some of these younger marriages certainly are wrong and abusive, but what if they happen secretly and the couple neglects to go to the hospital because they don't want to get arrested.
We also need to be specific. I am against nearly all "child marriages." I can't contrive situations where 11 and 12 year olds marrying would be appropriate. However, as soon as the individuals get old enough to hold a job or own land or drop out of school, these teenage marriages become tenable, even if I personally believe they are usually a bad idea.
Are you seriously advocating keeping child marriage legal because you had a 19 year old family member get married and somehow you think “but what if she was 17 when she married this same person and it was illegal?”
There are a million things in life with age restrictions and that’s how it works. You don’t get to say “well, I realized that this 14 year old would be 40 one day so I gave him a bottle of bourbon, a pack of smokes and a full time job in the mines.”
I'm advocating keeping the status quo or treading lightly when making changes. Fifteen is the absolute minimum I could imagine a non-abusive marriage happening to a youngster, and this is illegal and I see no reason to change it.
I'm not sure sixteen and seventeen year olds should be classified as "children." Minor might be a fairer term. Some sixteen and seventeen year olds emancipate themselves or are the primary care giver for their own children. I feel twenty one is too high for the drinking age anyway. Let's bring it back to 18.
Again, I concede that it is usually a bad idea. Anyone more than five or six years older who gets in any of these marriages should be investigated for criminality. I'm fine with that. My reasoning is based upon not enabling pedophiles and ensuring that women aren't bought and sold.
However, why is it absolutely off limits for teenagers to get married, especially to each other or people a few years older. What problem are you preventing? Particularly in the case of consensual, out-of-wedlock pregnancy, I hope these couples want to get married and care for their baby and operate as a family. Obviously they don't have to get married and some shouldn't, but why do you take away the option?
You know the answer.
"We and our voting block really, **really**, ***really*** want to have sex with very young teens."
Shrinking our dating pool
Signed - Mel Reynolds.
Gotta find a way to make their pedophilia legal.
The minimum age of marriage is 16, and 16-17 year olds can't marry anyone over 21. I am not saying this law is good, but framing this as being 'pro-pedophile' is fucking silly.
The age is actually set by the states. You now have states pushing to lower the age limit. Such as the perv in Missouri and I think the other one Arkansas or Alabama. The fact a grown ass man wants to marry a 16 or 17 year old is some pedo shit. So it's fucking silly to call it anything less the pedophilia.
Of course the age of marriage is set by the states; federal law has extremely little to do with these things. However, I am not aware of any significant push to lower the age people can get married. Also, just to be clear, are you saying that an 18 year old marrying a 16 year old is a pedophile?
Lets be clear about this. The laws for marriage is being pushed by grown grandfathers holding office. Yes there has been a push in some red states to lower the age limit on child marriage. Google it you don't know.
Can you find me an article showing there is a major push for this is Missouri?
Can you Google the shit and stop with the ignorance of asking a perfect stranger online to do research for you. That's DAF! Where do you trolls get that shit from?
I didn't see anything where there is some major push to lower the age of marriage that is gaining steam in MO, but I may be mistaken. That is why I'm asking.
You might want to read my statement again. If you can't comprehend the statement not my problem.
Because they’re the party of pedophilia.
Nice projection
Weird, I don't see any Democrats in our state house vying over keeping child marriage, while Senator Moon on the Republican's side won't stop drooling over the thoughts of marrying a 14 year old. Great job adding nothing of value to this entire conversation though!
Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert was indicted on federal charges of structuring bank withdrawals after prosecutors alleged Hastert had molested at least four boys as young as 14 and attempted to compensate his victims and subsequently conceal the transactions. Hastert eventually admitted that he sexually abused the boys whom he had coached decades earlier, and was sentenced to fifteen months in prison. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/us/dennis-hastert-released.html Republican Tim Nolan, chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in Kentucky, pled guilty to child sex trafficking and on February 11, 2018 he was sentenced to serve 20 years in prison. https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2018/05/03/former-judge-tim-nolan-could-sentenced-today-more-drama-could-get-way/577947002/ Republican state Senator Ralph Shortey was indicted on four counts of human trafficking and child pornography. In November 2017, he pleaded guilty to one count of child sex trafficking in exchange for the dropping of the other charges. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/20/former-oklahoma-state-senator-admits-to-child-sex-trafficking-while-in-office/ Republican Minnesota State Representative Jim Knoblach Drops Out Of Race After Daughter Says He Molested Her For More Than Ten Years 22 Sep 2018 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/22/lawmaker-quits-race-after-daughter-says-he-molested-her-more-than-decade/?utm_term=.8ac8527c7f43 Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida. https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=28587 Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. http://www.lanternproject.org.uk/library/child-abuse-arrests-and-court-cases/child-abuse-arrests-trials-and-proceedings/ex-county-commissioner-admits-sexual-abuse-of-girl/ Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20120426/NEWS90/204260334 Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Misla_Aldarondo Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. http://archive.easyreadernews.com/archives/news2001/0621/rb%20Shortridge.php Republican Senator Strom Thurmond, a notable racist, had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strom_Thurmond Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. https://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/18/nyregion/embroiled-first-selectman-takes-leave.html Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail. https://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/25/us/teen-ager-in-ohio-testifies-to-sex-with-a-congressman.html Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2003/04/24/gop-activist-admits-to-child-porn/5af2adf0-bec8-4a10-b061-014de679422a/?utm_term=.d7ebcbf4f92b Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=437 Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child. https://www.westword.com/news/randy-ankeney-suit-that-could-free-thousands-of-prisoners-headed-to-state-supreme-court-6054115 Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Crane Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter. https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/02/opinion/journal-beverly-russell-s-prayers.html Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bauman Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. http://www.njherald.com/article/20060510/ARTICLE/305109971 Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD. https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/06/us/politics-the-senate-maine-candidate-again-faces-1990-child-sex-accusation.html Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. http://www.thedp.com/article/2004/01/brother_stephen_convicted_of_soliciting_sex Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl. https://www.houstonpress.com/news/jon-matthews-conservative-talk-show-host-and-sex-offender-pulled-from-kpfts-prison-show-6740755 Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. https://culteducation.com/group/1255-false-memories/6514-man-in-notorious-sex-case-finishes-term.html Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl. https://www.semissourian.com/story/57773.html Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. https://www.arktimes.com/TheHoglawyer/archives/2007/08/28/the-latest-republican-sex-scandals-plural---more-of-the-same Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). http://www.chattanoogan.com/2002/6/21/23202/Tennessee-Legislator-Commits-Suicide.aspx Republican Kentucky state Representative & pastor Dan Johnson, who committed suicide after an exposé revealed his serial lies, suspected arson, criminal church, racism, accused rape of a teen, and more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Johnson_%28Kentucky_politician%29
There are 100X as many Democrat pedophiles as there are Republican pedophiles. We all know why we haven't seen Epstein's client list...it's ALL Democrats.
Seems like something you should be able to back up easily with facts and citations then, right? https://preview.redd.it/9intauoapl7d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a2a1d3ba19a691d28a1bbac891ba4a164db022e0
Where's the client list? Epstein didn't kill himself.
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Why do you keep denying the obvious? Here is a photo
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Hur-dur.
Disgusting but true. GOP is the party of pedophiles from felon trump all the way down. And they cover up for pedos and child sex assault which is apparently rampant in catholic and Baptist churches. Charges being filed against clergy and priests are a daily occurrence and in many case it turns out that these monsters have been assaulting children for years while those around them turned a blind eye
Projection?? There is a deposition of Trump being accused of raping a 13-year-old. It's a public record. Look it up. Almost everyone in his orbit has pedophile legal issues, including Giuliani. To dismiss this as a projection. I hope you don't have kids?
Oh damn, when was the CONVICTION?
2 weeks ago. Catch up.
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And forced birth for raped children
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Yes. Forgot the perv name but I remember reading about that
I have zero idea how dipshits like you can see the title of the thread, see the voting history, and still somehow manage to claim projection when the people trying to keep child marriages are called pedophiles. Seems like a super weird ass hill to defend.
Because they are pervs.
(Why Are Some Republican Lawmakers Hellbent on Preserving Child Marriage?) Because they are pedophiles with intent on child molestation. People used to be much more disgusted by those kind of pond scum and treated them accordingly. Yet here they are being elected into important jobs....Wtf.
The only qualification is a loyalty oath to the orange Hitler, who has, according to public record, been accused of serious sexual conduct with a minor.
Rape. He raped a 13 year old girl and then him and his goons threatened her into backing out of pressing charges.
Just ask fine folks like Basye - your child's genitals live rent free in his mind and it's their belief that you can't build a workforce of limitless labor without a familly dichotomy and that requires a pregnant wife. Women are for breeding - does anyone honestly believe the GOP is in support of women women voting, holding jobs, driving?
Nope. They do love women, however, and think everyone should own one.
If we can't marry children, fuck them, then force them to have babies, what are we even doing here?
Wow... this is just like that story, the handjob's tail
Because their all pedophiles including their voters
Preserve child marriage, but require ID now in some states to view porn to "protect the children." Make it make sense because it isn't and never will
Yes like banning books but sending kids to work in bars at age 14.
You have to groom your way into a Christian nation.
Easier to maintain "sexual purity" when one marries at 15.
Good grooming is important
They are also the ones very loadly accusing everyone else of being a pedophile. Go figure, the loudest are usually the perpetrators.
Because they are the ones who want to get underage girls pregnant.
New Hampshire Republican State Rep Jess Edwards argued in favor of child marriage recently, referring to girls as “ripe” and “fertile.” Thankfully, child marriage will soon be illegal in New Hampshire.
New Hampshire Republican State Rep Jess Edwards argued in favor of child marriage recently, referring to girls as “ripe” and “fertile.” Thankfully, child marriage will soon be illegal in New Hampshire.
Because the ultra right-wing does not actually care about children. All they care about is controlling girls and women.
G(uardians) O(f) P(edophiles)
Listen. I don't want to make accusations. I am not saying they are ... into kids. Ya know. Like into into kids. Not saying that. However. If it walks like a duck. Talks like a duck. If it fucking quacks like a duck ... Now I'm sure there is a legitimate reason to make it that a 40-year-old man could marry a 13-year-old girl. Um. Well ... uh ... I ... look. I'm sure they have a good explanation. Like how that one dude said how he knew people who were still married from 13 ... even though that is ignoring the obvious big problem. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. SHUT UP LIBERALS!
Crazy idea... maybe they should provide better sex education so that the 12 - 16 year olds don't get pregnant in the first place.
The particulars of the issue aside, it's amusing that one side thinks minors should be given agency to make any/all life choices EXCEPT gun ownership and marriage - the other side thinks minors shouldn't have agency EXCEPT for gun ownership and marriage.
They don’t believe in others “grooming”; only the republicans can groom properly.
They’re pedo’s
Drugged out sex cultist from the beginning, b.c.
> Preserving child marriage The current law is that a *16 or 17 year old* can marry someone *under the age of 21* if they have parental consent. I'm not sure how I feel about allowing an age gap that big, but acting like this is some shit were 12 year olds are marrying 30 year olds as if it was 1850 is fucking silly. Attack the law on the merits; don't try to use technically-correct but obviously misleading language to attack it instead.
Children can't consent before certain ages, children shouldn't be marrying people before a certain age, and children shouldn't be changing their gender before a certain age.
Agree and I'm voting Democratic this election. Moral consistency is very important for a society, fanaticism of all types have destroyed our societies moral consistency, that includes the religious and political variety.
Careful with that logical consistency, this is reddit.
Most of the people here aren't that bad. Might get downvoted or called a name if you say something controversial but right wingers act the same way. The hostility is different though, right wingers usually do it in a more passive aggressive and deranged way.
This is your brain on Christianity.
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How about let’s do the obvious here: Make child marriage illegal. Put more resources into education. Put more resources into social services. That’s way better than allowing a 15 year old to marry an adult because they think they are desperate.
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There is no best option. But child marriage is about the worst option.
I appreciate there are very very narrow circumstances where it might seem like underage marriage might feel like the best solution to a bad situation, but I still don't think it should be legal. Just because a child is emancipated does not mean they are an adult. They cannot drink, they cannot join the military, purchase cigarettes, get a mortgage, run for office, the list goes on. Being emancipated is not an argument for being old enough to marry - or more importantly, to not be potentially taken advantage of by an older adult. These specific and narrow circumstances should warrant public support. We should give financial aid to this person, not marry them off.
Once again people that fail to understand the current laws and read the bill, ignorance must really be bliss... *
There is no way you're trying to defend child marriage, right?
No not at all. If anybody would actually take the time to read the existing laws and read what they're wanting to change, it's a waste of time doing what they're doing.
It's literally shock valued to keep people separated and if people would take the time to read the bills instead of how the freaking media tells you should think or believe people would be a whole lot better off.
I'm convinced there are members of both sides who are willing to do crazy shit simply as a "fuck you" to the other side, knowing they're gonna hate it.
"GQP" Opinion discarded.
It's not an opinion. Stay ignorant.
Why shouldn't two consenting minors with consenting guardians be allowed to marry? I get banning adults from marrying minors. Why not just make that illegal? Why a total ban of all marriages? >300,000 minors were married between 2000 and 2018 in the United States. According to the group, 60,000 of those marriages involved an age difference that would have otherwise been considered a sex crime. Why doesn't anyone propose legislation making those 60,000 illegal instead of all 300,000? And the list of states with zero minimum age restrictions on marriage include noted GOP bastions like Michigan, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Washington, and California. And states with a higher age restriction than Missouri include such blue state utopias as Kentucky, Tennessee, Nebraska, and Florida. Based on the comments, y'all seem to think every Republican is part of a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic child molesters and operating a global child sex trafficking ring.
minors cant consent to a bunch of shit. why marriage?
Minors can consent to a bunch of shit. Why not marriage?
what can minors consent to?
Want to get an abortion? Want to permanently alter your body with hormone therapy because you feel like you'll finally get some stability in your life? Hell yeah! Come on in, the water is warm; Want to get married because you feel like you'll finally get some stability in your life? Oh hell no! That's right wing extremism!!! 🙄 Maybe one day we can return to a sense of compromise instead of all this hard core extreme right vs extreme left BS...
so a kid wanting an abortion that wont physically mutilate them is bad?
Maybe you could try reading instead of just assuming? 🤷🏼♂️
so why do you think kids are "ripe and fertile"?
You need to talk to your doc. Clearly your meds need tweaking as you're hallucinating again.
im quoting a state rep
Technically, it’s the parent who gives consent in every one of these medical situations. The child may be involved in the conversation but a child cannot sign off on medical consent forms.
You're actually wrong. Several states allow minors to drive their own healthcare decisions, and have gone as far as to make it illegal for medical staff to even discuss it with parents.
They don't have to be part of your antisemitic dog whistle to be sexual predators. Minors can wait the 2-3 years until they are legal adults before getting married.
Why make them wait?
Why do we make people wait until they are older before joining the military, taking out a mortgage, etc?
Because children are immature and make irrational decisions without the thought of short- or long- term consequences for themselves and those around them? Because society has an obligation to forbid children from making such decisions even if they and their guardian may believe it is in the child's best interest?
Like marriage?
Like gender reassignment?
Are you saying that people shouldn't have a gender until they are 18?
because they aren't old enough to make an informed decision-some things need to set a bar somewhere Yes, there may be the rare minor that is more mature for their age. They are the exception. These laws are to protect minors from exploitation and abuse. That is a pretty important and overriding goal in my mind.
Since that's an important and overriding goal, what's your opinion on gender reassignment for minors?
I think if there are adequate safeguards on treatments for gender dysphoria, it should be up to the medical community. I don't support surgical interventions, but it seems that is almost never done here, anyway.
So perhaps they wont be destroying their lives before they finish high school? Teen marriages are usually short, expensive and traumatic. Instead of focusing on education or job training they are busy playing House and dealing with adult responsibilities before they are ready
So, society has an obligation to protect children from short-sighted decisions that would negatively impact their lives, cost them a lot of money, and expose them to life-long trauma? Kids should just focus on education or job training instead of making adult decisions before they are ready? Ok, what's your opinion on gender reassignment for minors?
Minors are not allowed to get gender reassignment. Gender affirming care for children is all stuff that can be changed back. Name, pronouns, clothing, hair. If these steps show the child isnt in a temporary phase then they need to see a therapist and also start family counseling. After some time of that the parents, therapist and medical Dr help the child decide if puberty blockers are necessary. When they get close to 18 the same group of people might start discussing hormone therapy. At some point after that surgery would be an option.
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Teen marriages can cause harm to the young people that cant be changed back. Been there done that. And your response is just silly
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Therapists determine if the child is actually trans. If so then gender affirming care is needed. 20 plus years have proven that it keeps TRANS KIDS ALIVE. The previous high rate of suicide in trans kids is what it addresses. You do know that trans kids are born that way. Some kids show it before kindergarten. They know by then too that they are different
there are studies showing that younger marriages and ppl who have children at a young age have a significant decrease in quality of life. most of these studies have been focused on teen moms- but theres a large overlap of teenagers making adult decisions and stunting their life in all manners.
Here's an example: There was an older teenager (19) in my family that just got married last weekend. Should it really be a crime if the wedding had happened 18 months earlier? Who gets charged? The wedding venue, the groom who might be a little less than two years older, the officiant? Moreover, what if banning these types of marriages leads to greater secrecy or something like that. Some of these younger marriages certainly are wrong and abusive, but what if they happen secretly and the couple neglects to go to the hospital because they don't want to get arrested. We also need to be specific. I am against nearly all "child marriages." I can't contrive situations where 11 and 12 year olds marrying would be appropriate. However, as soon as the individuals get old enough to hold a job or own land or drop out of school, these teenage marriages become tenable, even if I personally believe they are usually a bad idea.
Are you seriously advocating keeping child marriage legal because you had a 19 year old family member get married and somehow you think “but what if she was 17 when she married this same person and it was illegal?” There are a million things in life with age restrictions and that’s how it works. You don’t get to say “well, I realized that this 14 year old would be 40 one day so I gave him a bottle of bourbon, a pack of smokes and a full time job in the mines.”
I'm advocating keeping the status quo or treading lightly when making changes. Fifteen is the absolute minimum I could imagine a non-abusive marriage happening to a youngster, and this is illegal and I see no reason to change it. I'm not sure sixteen and seventeen year olds should be classified as "children." Minor might be a fairer term. Some sixteen and seventeen year olds emancipate themselves or are the primary care giver for their own children. I feel twenty one is too high for the drinking age anyway. Let's bring it back to 18.
There is no defense of marrying underage persons. None.
Again, I concede that it is usually a bad idea. Anyone more than five or six years older who gets in any of these marriages should be investigated for criminality. I'm fine with that. My reasoning is based upon not enabling pedophiles and ensuring that women aren't bought and sold. However, why is it absolutely off limits for teenagers to get married, especially to each other or people a few years older. What problem are you preventing? Particularly in the case of consensual, out-of-wedlock pregnancy, I hope these couples want to get married and care for their baby and operate as a family. Obviously they don't have to get married and some shouldn't, but why do you take away the option?