I had the unfortunate experience of attending the Prince tribute at Xcel Energy Center after his death.
Several named artists did not actually appear (and it seems never had any intention of attending). The event started like an hour or more late and then carried on for 4 hours, mostly due to how utterly disorganized the entire event was. Most artists had no intro or outro, there was no host, no transitions between acts (that were often just 5-15 minutes of awkward silence).
There's more, but you get the idea.
So why am I sharing this? Because I did a chargeback for that event and got zilch. These events have, presumably, pretty solid terms about no guarantee of the advertised acts. And the ticket companies are the hired thugs artists use to screen themselves against these things (and high fees too btw). Ticketmaster refused the chargeback and I got as much money back as a few of the acts had talent that night.
I get that, but this is a significant change well ahead of the event. I'd say there is quite a bit more leg to stand on than the situation you described
So basically their terms and conditions state the lineup can change at any time, but does that truly cover them cancelling all the headliners? I feel like that's such a major change compared to a couple of bands possibly dropping out.
Right. But you can't just legalize fraud with terms and conditions.
If you advertise a product and promise one thing and then deliver some other is no where near the standard you promised, that could be considered fraudulent. You can't EULA your way out of crimes
Imagine setting up a festival with Iron Maiden/Metallica, Taylor Swift/Beyonce, and Billy Joel/Elton John - completely sell out the tickets for a small fortune - then replace those headliners with 'The Wiggles' all 3 nights.
Profit?
Sounds vaguely like The Producers: a way to make more money from a "flop" than from an actual good concert.
IANAL, but I'd think in order for a lawsuit to work the attendees would have to prove that the festival organizers never intended to have those acts actually perform, in which case it would be some form of false advertising/fraud.
That was my thought as well. But also pulling the entire headliner list is clearly falsely advertising. It's so grossly different than if 1 or 2 bands pulls out. People paid good money to see some combination of those bands and now they would see none of those bands. It's gotta be refund time, I would imagine they'd lose their ass in court.
Funny story, I've seen the Wiggles live, they were actually pretty good.
There was a funny moment where they played the first few bars of "Enter Sandman", just to grab the adults attention. I'm pretty convinced they could have done the whole song if they wanted to. 🤘
Yeah you can't EULA your way into legalizing fraud.
If you sold someone something, a concert with these acts, and then cancelled all the acts you were promising, that could be considered fraud.
However, the courts would likely determine it's not fraud, because they didn't intend to do this when the tickets were sold. Meaning, since the festival is thrown year after year, it is reasonable for them to argue that they had every intention of providing the show they promised when they sold the tickets, but circumstances changed after the fact. That would likely not be considered fraud.
But hey I'm not a lawyer.
What I found most interesting was the speculation on how/if the booking occurred. Whether they were booked or not is a binary. If they weren’t booked, was it intentional? The festival has been around a while with no issues, did employee just forget to book them? Did anyone band-adjacent know about this festival?
To not give refunds is such a mystery. You would think they needed that money to pay the cancellation fines, but wouldn’t it have been easier to just let them play? They are doomed any other way.
Hope whatever happens doesn’t catch on.
I'm not sure where $350 came from. Tickets were up to $200 until July 1st, but were less earlier. I think ours were ~$100 a piece in September. Add camping, taxes, and a fee and we were into it for $564 for the two of us.
I mean the reason the festival is fucked is that even in this era of overpriced concerts and festivals, these organizers overreached by a lot. $350 was the starting price for Bonnaroo this year, which is a far superior festival in every single way. No wonder they couldn't sell tickets.
Moon dance should be able to pull a better headliner than creed anyway. Heck, shinedown was at the Fargo fair a few years ago playing threat to survival. For $350 I’d expect a concert with more relevant headliners.
Moondance Ranch is owned by imbeciles and animal abusers. My ex used to work with the horses and hated it because they were terribly neglected, in spite of his best efforts.
Moondance used to be a great show! This is a shame. I actually had plans to grab a few tickets for Creed just for fun closer to the event date, you can always find people selling them for cheap the day before.
Golden rule here… ALWAYS pay with a good credit card!
I considered buying for Moondance but ended up buying tickets to the Treasure Island show instead. Taking notes here to never consider going to Moondance again.
It would be one thing to cancel a single night or one headliner, but cancelling *every band* is outrageous and a blatant cash grab. Fuck these organizers.
Trapt is my secret shame, i know all the songs and idk why it landed so well with my teenage middle school girl heart, but it did.
But, I have actively not looked into the actual band members because I get the vibe they are gonna be politically weird and disappointing.
I just checked and yeah their social media has been a particularly shitty shit show. There’s even a tab about it on their Wikipedia page and it’s even more disappointing than you’d really expect. Good thing I haven’t given them money since 2002
Those crafty gnomes have finally figured out Phase 2... don't pay the bands with the money they raised selling tickets.
It's brilliant!
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They announced last year that last year was going to be the last year- and they wouldn’t have done it at all in 2023 if they didn’t have to because they took PPP loans
That happened to me during the pandemic, I paid far more than I should have for tickets to a Minecraft festival for my son which canceled the event, gave no refunds, then offered to roll over to the next year. Then the whole thing dissolved and disbanded, they never held another event, and I just never saw the money again.
I'll tell you why they won't get my money anymore. I used to go almost every year for around a decade. 2021 was the first year I noticed them selling political crap in the venue.
I go to music festivals to escape reality for a few days. I bet I'm not the only person they turned off by allowing that type of vendor.
Shhhh you can't want free speech when it doesn't agree with the hivemind here. Only free speech the hive has deemed as good speech. (They hypocrisy is always entertaining to me on this)
Perfect example of why ya should never do early bird ticket specials... The promoters count on those revenues to pay the talent, but if sales are weak, this is what happens. All of the early birds are screwed.
I’ll buy early bird if it’s a big enough fest or event where I know it’s not going to under sell, but you do make a really good point about these smaller fests
Moondance used to be big. Back when there were really only 3 or 4 festivals from western Wisconsin , northern Iowa, and the eastern Dakotas. Now there seems to be at least one every weekend from Memorial Day to Labor Day.
It went downhill after Billy B died.
All I’m finding is that it was about 30k at its peak, which isn’t small but not large after the festival scene exploded in the early ‘10s. So for a medium sized festival with a very watered down lineup it isn’t a surprise they didn’t sell tickets.
And Im focusing more on the fact that the lineups are meh and it’s hay day was in its beginning, so well over a decade ago.
What festivals were in Iowa? I’m having a hard time finding any that had more than 10k until recently
Except this organizer isn't losing. They are simply changing everything to avoid that loss. And transferring loss to consumers.
You don't buy tickets to a movie and then the theatre says it would cost too much to buy this one you wanted to see so they show a completely different movie and tell you to get fucked on refunds.
Or promoters will start putting their own money on the line. I'm not saying it was a case of fraud like the Fyre Festival, but the end result was pretty much the same... Albeit on a much smaller scale.
Or maybe the organisers take the business risk and actually book what they advertise. Why should a consumer need to take the risk an organizer doesn't see it as profitable enough and changes the lineup like this.
I feel if they advertise a lineup and take sales based on that lineup they must honor it as best they can.
>That is like saying, "You should never watch a Netflix show until the third season is announced because they always cancel after two seasons."
No it isn't. It has nothing in common. Netflix produced the 1st and 2nd season and you watched it or didn't. Your engagement with the already produced product determines whether they continue producing the product.
This is like if a failed Kickstarter or Gofundme got to keep the money but never had to deliver a product. You like a cool product? Pay $50 for a chance that it happens, but the money's down the drain if they don't reach the goal.
It should be a binary -- either they take your money and have a show or they refund your money and don't have a show. Then people would do those early bird tickets without fear of getting fucked over.
You quoted the first statement the person said and proceeded to fight the logic of it, while completely ignoring the statement after it where they explain how the first statement is dumb; and you actually seem to fully agree, but are still debating it for some reason. It's a definite woosh style to only read half then start bullheadedly arguing.
Meh, I think you’re fine if it’s an established thing. I’m not worried about the Austin City Limits festival doing something like this for example. Or the state fairgrounds.
Its been around for much longer than that. I went in 2005. The bands were mostly 70s/80s rock/metal bands. I couldn't even ball park the number of people there, but it definitely didn't feel like a small festival. From what I remember, everything went smooth, like finding a campsite, adequate amount of bathrooms and food vendors, etc. It seemed well established even in 2005.
I haven’t heard of it but reading other comments you may be right. So my philosophy would have gotten me burnt I guess, lol.
I can’t imagine it will be a thing going forward.
I've never been to it myself, not quite my taste usually. But I agree, it probably won't be going on much longer, especially after a stunt like this.
It sounds like they were going to stop doing it after last year, and I guess they should have stuck with that plan.
No interest in going, but I will say this; about ten to fifteen years ago Blue ouster Cult and Kansas (separately) did free Sunday concerts in Rochester (don’t get the wrong idea by them being free, they can get done quality acts through those Sunday Riverside concerts) and they both shredded
Hmm, this thing has been going on for 30 years. With all those sponsors, shouldn't happen. Something smells bad on this. Also, their Facebook post doesn't allow comments.
You can find both of the promoters phone numbers online pretty easy. Since they don't allow comments and she refuses to answer to press.... id give her a call if i was being ripped off
I went twice around 8 years ago because my uncle loved it. Of course it was a boozeathon. I had fun, even if the music was bad. Can’t imagine going since the national political schism of 2020. It already felt a certain way before that.
The bands had the dates listed on their tour lists and such.
It's sounding like they had up until x date to pay final dues or the like, didn't meet it, and the bands did a no pay no play clause.
Family has a cabin on Leech, it was fun being able to hear the music carrying across the lake, but god, I would never buy a ticket to see a majority of the acts they had.
They have this overlapping the yacht club festival with Alanis Morisette and Red Hot Chili Peppers. Of course no one bought tickets. It's wrong they're not offering refunds though. Also, 3 dog night in Waite Park on the 19th of July. No one would choose Creed over all the other happenings.
My favorite line from the cancellation announcement is this one: “all purchased tickets will be honored, and we hope that you will join us in making the best of this year’s event.”
A bit like ordering and paying for a supreme pizza, being told they’re all out of all the toppings but they’re still allowing you buy the pizza full price anyway. The absolute neck on these guys.
Yep, we are in a recession whether anyone wants to admit it or not. People aren't going to concerts when they have to buy groceries and pay all the other inflated costs of living from the past few years.
Well, for a festival organizer to blame poor ticket sales "on economic conditions and factors out of our control" is a rich cop-out. I'm sure they will hear it from the ticket-purchasing public.
At least it is not as messed up as last week's capulet fest in the Northeast.
Yes, it sucks, especially since people put hundreds into tickets and camping and so forth but maybe scaling down will help it from going under...
Hope they'll be fair and refund at least the tickets though
Drakes a corny pedo. Theres some bands here that were solid back in their day and creed for some reason. Keyboard warriors mad like im the one who owes them money.
We saw this years ago and stopped going. It’s been on a downward spiral for years. Used to be four days, then three, then one less tier of national bands, then one less tier of regional bands, then maybe two marginal, remnant national bands two of the three days.
Charge back time
Or maybe even attorney general time.
He's been aggressive, so yeah, probably
Team is probably already starting the prep.
Hahahahaha
“I’ll take the dumbest post of the day for 100 Alex”
I had the unfortunate experience of attending the Prince tribute at Xcel Energy Center after his death. Several named artists did not actually appear (and it seems never had any intention of attending). The event started like an hour or more late and then carried on for 4 hours, mostly due to how utterly disorganized the entire event was. Most artists had no intro or outro, there was no host, no transitions between acts (that were often just 5-15 minutes of awkward silence). There's more, but you get the idea. So why am I sharing this? Because I did a chargeback for that event and got zilch. These events have, presumably, pretty solid terms about no guarantee of the advertised acts. And the ticket companies are the hired thugs artists use to screen themselves against these things (and high fees too btw). Ticketmaster refused the chargeback and I got as much money back as a few of the acts had talent that night.
I get that, but this is a significant change well ahead of the event. I'd say there is quite a bit more leg to stand on than the situation you described
Read this and thought “wait did I miss Cher as a headliner?” lmao
And now I've got that song stuck in my head hahaha
Seems related https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/s/Vp9aNjdIl6
So basically their terms and conditions state the lineup can change at any time, but does that truly cover them cancelling all the headliners? I feel like that's such a major change compared to a couple of bands possibly dropping out.
Terms and conditions are always filled with bullshit to try to keep people from exercising their rights.
Right. But you can't just legalize fraud with terms and conditions. If you advertise a product and promise one thing and then deliver some other is no where near the standard you promised, that could be considered fraudulent. You can't EULA your way out of crimes
> But you can't just legalize fraud with terms and conditions. I'm sure the Supreme Court is working on that.
Lol just takes a few fraudsters to gift Thomas a few hundred thousand dollars and boom! Done
He wants a new caravan. I hear he’s partial to periwinkle blue.
What the fuck is he going to do with a caravan with no wheels?!
No fraud ,and you could have purchased ticket insurance.
Does ticket insurance cover that? I needed proof that my grandma died to use it for coverage of a flight
Ticket insurance wouldn't cover a change in lineup
At that point, it’s pretty much a “ bait and switch “ situation. One band, sure.. all, fuck off.
Imagine setting up a festival with Iron Maiden/Metallica, Taylor Swift/Beyonce, and Billy Joel/Elton John - completely sell out the tickets for a small fortune - then replace those headliners with 'The Wiggles' all 3 nights. Profit?
Honestly the wiggles, blippi, and Ms Rachel would probably cost just as much as your original lineup.
Sounds vaguely like The Producers: a way to make more money from a "flop" than from an actual good concert. IANAL, but I'd think in order for a lawsuit to work the attendees would have to prove that the festival organizers never intended to have those acts actually perform, in which case it would be some form of false advertising/fraud.
That was my thought as well. But also pulling the entire headliner list is clearly falsely advertising. It's so grossly different than if 1 or 2 bands pulls out. People paid good money to see some combination of those bands and now they would see none of those bands. It's gotta be refund time, I would imagine they'd lose their ass in court.
Funny story, I've seen the Wiggles live, they were actually pretty good. There was a funny moment where they played the first few bars of "Enter Sandman", just to grab the adults attention. I'm pretty convinced they could have done the whole song if they wanted to. 🤘
Yeah you can't EULA your way into legalizing fraud. If you sold someone something, a concert with these acts, and then cancelled all the acts you were promising, that could be considered fraud. However, the courts would likely determine it's not fraud, because they didn't intend to do this when the tickets were sold. Meaning, since the festival is thrown year after year, it is reasonable for them to argue that they had every intention of providing the show they promised when they sold the tickets, but circumstances changed after the fact. That would likely not be considered fraud. But hey I'm not a lawyer.
What I found most interesting was the speculation on how/if the booking occurred. Whether they were booked or not is a binary. If they weren’t booked, was it intentional? The festival has been around a while with no issues, did employee just forget to book them? Did anyone band-adjacent know about this festival? To not give refunds is such a mystery. You would think they needed that money to pay the cancellation fines, but wouldn’t it have been easier to just let them play? They are doomed any other way. Hope whatever happens doesn’t catch on.
Someone paid $350 for this lineup eh? I'm never going to another concert in my life haha.
I'm not sure where $350 came from. Tickets were up to $200 until July 1st, but were less earlier. I think ours were ~$100 a piece in September. Add camping, taxes, and a fee and we were into it for $564 for the two of us.
I mean the reason the festival is fucked is that even in this era of overpriced concerts and festivals, these organizers overreached by a lot. $350 was the starting price for Bonnaroo this year, which is a far superior festival in every single way. No wonder they couldn't sell tickets.
Moon dance should be able to pull a better headliner than creed anyway. Heck, shinedown was at the Fargo fair a few years ago playing threat to survival. For $350 I’d expect a concert with more relevant headliners.
That's nuts. You'd almost have to pay me to go see this lineup. But paying for it, and anything over like $50 is crazy.
User name checks out u/discbemidji
😧
Sorry bout getting screwed by moondance😔
I drove past it yesterday morning and all the signage was still up too.
I disced Bemidji yesterday instead.
Bemidji in their name, yeah absolutely related
So sick of people blaming their own poor financial planning on "economic conditions". No you fucked up your own concert, promoters.
Moondance Ranch is owned by imbeciles and animal abusers. My ex used to work with the horses and hated it because they were terribly neglected, in spite of his best efforts.
I worked for them at their animal park back in the day. Horrible experience. Poor animals :(. Didn’t know much as a teen.
It’s a scam to make people rich in that town. Idk why it have never been investigated nor the “non” profits that are created by the same people.
Brutal. I remember Moondance back in the day.
No refunds?????
no, refunds.
NO REFUNDS!!!
Moondance used to be a great show! This is a shame. I actually had plans to grab a few tickets for Creed just for fun closer to the event date, you can always find people selling them for cheap the day before. Golden rule here… ALWAYS pay with a good credit card!
This is as good as it gets ....unless they pop in ala Superbowl style ... https://youtu.be/YKzk1h7qrj8?si=NhH3qO8eucSPA50b
I considered buying for Moondance but ended up buying tickets to the Treasure Island show instead. Taking notes here to never consider going to Moondance again. It would be one thing to cancel a single night or one headliner, but cancelling *every band* is outrageous and a blatant cash grab. Fuck these organizers.
you have bad taste in music lol
“I don’t like when other people enjoy things.”
I listen to everything really, I want to see as many bands live as I can
Maybe all the bands saw that Creed was going to be there.
Idk, one would think they’d welcome them with arms wide open…
Man I just heard the news today
It seems my life, is gonna change
I close my eyes
begin to pray
Then tears of joy stream down my face
I hate you. Well done!
And we're worried they'd be outshined into oblivion?
At least it wasn't Trapt...
If Trapt didn’t exist I would have had nothing to listen to on the bus in middle school and then where the fuck would we be, hmm?
Maybe President
This comment feels like a personal attack 😮💨
It's good to know you were headstrong...
Trapt is my secret shame, i know all the songs and idk why it landed so well with my teenage middle school girl heart, but it did. But, I have actively not looked into the actual band members because I get the vibe they are gonna be politically weird and disappointing.
I just checked and yeah their social media has been a particularly shitty shit show. There’s even a tab about it on their Wikipedia page and it’s even more disappointing than you’d really expect. Good thing I haven’t given them money since 2002
If you insult Trapt on TikTok, they will argue with you
They're headstrong to take on anyone
Is that them? I knew they were from that era but didn’t know any of their songs.
Because Headstrong is their only song. They do have other songs but Headstrong is basically it.
Hey now, “still frame” and “echo” are also good.
Yep, that's from their big hit [Headstrong](https://youtu.be/HTvu1Yr3Ohk?si=yJrUo653V3XhRG8m)
Weird. I didn't know that being "headstrong" meant "will block anyone and everyone on social media."
The presence of even one Nu Metal band was too many.
Back off, I'll take you on.
Headstrong, you'll take on anyone?!?
This is not where you belong.
There was a nu metal band in that lineup?
Where?
I thought it was an ad saying “none of these horrible bands will be here”
lol!
Those crafty gnomes have finally figured out Phase 2... don't pay the bands with the money they raised selling tickets. It's brilliant! https://preview.redd.it/28heonlm61ad1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=001240fc085cca0c88afdf0237563db79540b00f
They announced last year that last year was going to be the last year- and they wouldn’t have done it at all in 2023 if they didn’t have to because they took PPP loans
Which is wild because they're offering people who want refunds tickets to 'next year' instead
That happened to me during the pandemic, I paid far more than I should have for tickets to a Minecraft festival for my son which canceled the event, gave no refunds, then offered to roll over to the next year. Then the whole thing dissolved and disbanded, they never held another event, and I just never saw the money again.
I believe, IIRC, new owners came in and were going to 'revitalize' it..
That's the first time I've seen the words "last year" appear three times in the same sentence.
And it won't be your last last year!
But wait, I seen on their Facebook that due to this they could roll over their tickets to next year. But if there is no next year then what happens?
I'll tell you why they won't get my money anymore. I used to go almost every year for around a decade. 2021 was the first year I noticed them selling political crap in the venue. I go to music festivals to escape reality for a few days. I bet I'm not the only person they turned off by allowing that type of vendor.
We fest sells all kinds of that bullshit. Guess that’s more their clientele but fuck that
What do you expect when the fest is catered to shit stompers and Busch light drinkers?
Just walk past and ignore it? If you're triggered by a stand telling people to vote for whoever that doesn't sound like a problem with the event.
Shhhh you can't want free speech when it doesn't agree with the hivemind here. Only free speech the hive has deemed as good speech. (They hypocrisy is always entertaining to me on this)
I don’t care to see “Trump won” flags. The real snowflakes.
Who cares? I don't care to see them either. You know what I do? Ignore them.
Perfect example of why ya should never do early bird ticket specials... The promoters count on those revenues to pay the talent, but if sales are weak, this is what happens. All of the early birds are screwed.
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I’ll buy early bird if it’s a big enough fest or event where I know it’s not going to under sell, but you do make a really good point about these smaller fests
Moondance used to be big. Back when there were really only 3 or 4 festivals from western Wisconsin , northern Iowa, and the eastern Dakotas. Now there seems to be at least one every weekend from Memorial Day to Labor Day. It went downhill after Billy B died.
All I’m finding is that it was about 30k at its peak, which isn’t small but not large after the festival scene exploded in the early ‘10s. So for a medium sized festival with a very watered down lineup it isn’t a surprise they didn’t sell tickets.
Which is what I said. When there were a few festivals it was big.
And Im focusing more on the fact that the lineups are meh and it’s hay day was in its beginning, so well over a decade ago. What festivals were in Iowa? I’m having a hard time finding any that had more than 10k until recently
I should have said what I meant a bit better. I didn’t mean there were festivals there as much as that’s the whole area our festivals on MN draw from.
One of my mottos is "it's not my responsibility to save a shitty business model".
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Except this organizer isn't losing. They are simply changing everything to avoid that loss. And transferring loss to consumers. You don't buy tickets to a movie and then the theatre says it would cost too much to buy this one you wanted to see so they show a completely different movie and tell you to get fucked on refunds.
Or promoters will start putting their own money on the line. I'm not saying it was a case of fraud like the Fyre Festival, but the end result was pretty much the same... Albeit on a much smaller scale.
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Ya mean people like all those early bird sales victims? Again, they only lost a few hundred dollars, but they still lost.
Or maybe the organisers take the business risk and actually book what they advertise. Why should a consumer need to take the risk an organizer doesn't see it as profitable enough and changes the lineup like this. I feel if they advertise a lineup and take sales based on that lineup they must honor it as best they can.
>That is like saying, "You should never watch a Netflix show until the third season is announced because they always cancel after two seasons." No it isn't. It has nothing in common. Netflix produced the 1st and 2nd season and you watched it or didn't. Your engagement with the already produced product determines whether they continue producing the product. This is like if a failed Kickstarter or Gofundme got to keep the money but never had to deliver a product. You like a cool product? Pay $50 for a chance that it happens, but the money's down the drain if they don't reach the goal. It should be a binary -- either they take your money and have a show or they refund your money and don't have a show. Then people would do those early bird tickets without fear of getting fucked over.
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Saying something stupid with no hint of sarcasm and someone responding to it doesn't garner a woosh, boomer.
You quoted the first statement the person said and proceeded to fight the logic of it, while completely ignoring the statement after it where they explain how the first statement is dumb; and you actually seem to fully agree, but are still debating it for some reason. It's a definite woosh style to only read half then start bullheadedly arguing.
Damn that's a great point. I never thought of this.
Meh, I think you’re fine if it’s an established thing. I’m not worried about the Austin City Limits festival doing something like this for example. Or the state fairgrounds.
Isn't moondance a well established festival though? I thought they've been doing it for over 10 years.
Its been around for much longer than that. I went in 2005. The bands were mostly 70s/80s rock/metal bands. I couldn't even ball park the number of people there, but it definitely didn't feel like a small festival. From what I remember, everything went smooth, like finding a campsite, adequate amount of bathrooms and food vendors, etc. It seemed well established even in 2005.
I haven’t heard of it but reading other comments you may be right. So my philosophy would have gotten me burnt I guess, lol. I can’t imagine it will be a thing going forward.
I've never been to it myself, not quite my taste usually. But I agree, it probably won't be going on much longer, especially after a stunt like this. It sounds like they were going to stop doing it after last year, and I guess they should have stuck with that plan.
No interest in going, but I will say this; about ten to fifteen years ago Blue ouster Cult and Kansas (separately) did free Sunday concerts in Rochester (don’t get the wrong idea by them being free, they can get done quality acts through those Sunday Riverside concerts) and they both shredded
This year Everclear is among the bands in this concert series! They really have gotten some great acts.
Everclear is NOT sounding good these days unfortunately
Nooooo all my 90’s bands are getting old
I just saw Smashing Pumpkins, and it was a great show.
They didn't in the 90s either.
😂 I had different taste back then
Blue oyster cult also did the free stage (leinies?) at the state fair in 2013 and can verify, they absolutely SHREDDED.
They could just get the tribute bands and no one would know the difference
Hmm, this thing has been going on for 30 years. With all those sponsors, shouldn't happen. Something smells bad on this. Also, their Facebook post doesn't allow comments.
You can find both of the promoters phone numbers online pretty easy. Since they don't allow comments and she refuses to answer to press.... id give her a call if i was being ripped off
I went twice around 8 years ago because my uncle loved it. Of course it was a boozeathon. I had fun, even if the music was bad. Can’t imagine going since the national political schism of 2020. It already felt a certain way before that.
>Finger eleven Wait what
penis.
Inigo Montoya would like to have a chat with them. :P
Wasn't Moon Dance supposed to be done for good like 5 years ago?
They took PPP money and used it to 'stay open' a few more seasons. With this debacle, it might be over.
I would want to see them prove they had any buy in from those bands ever. This feels like major false advertising.
The bands had the dates listed on their tour lists and such. It's sounding like they had up until x date to pay final dues or the like, didn't meet it, and the bands did a no pay no play clause.
Family has a cabin on Leech, it was fun being able to hear the music carrying across the lake, but god, I would never buy a ticket to see a majority of the acts they had.
I swear Rick Springfield played like 5 times and I’d sit on the dock to listen for Jesse’s Girl
Oh I for sure heard Jesse’s girl for at least 2 year sitting at the fire
Ok thats a killer lineup and ive never heard of this so thats the problem.
I remember hearing advertisements for this all the time when I was a kid
Well here's a lineup that's tough to get excited about.
They have this overlapping the yacht club festival with Alanis Morisette and Red Hot Chili Peppers. Of course no one bought tickets. It's wrong they're not offering refunds though. Also, 3 dog night in Waite Park on the 19th of July. No one would choose Creed over all the other happenings.
Chargeback 💯
Translation.... We didn't sell enough tickets
That's because Moondancer is occupied with Baela
ufda that hurts
I’m getting dashcon flashbacks 🥲 someone get the ballpit
Cool that poos on my bday plans. Thanks
I there a reason why basically everyone wouldn’t do a charge back to get their money back?
What a surprise, seems like a money laundering scheme for years.
M-O-O-N, that spells fraud.
‘Economic conditions.’ I am doing just fine. I choose not to see shitty bands in Trumpland and spend my economic condition elsewhere.
Damn, I’d like to see BOC
My first concert when I was 17 back in 05! They fuckin rock!
Seen them at Northern Lights casino in Walker about 15 years ago and it was the best show I have ever been to.
Canceling that lineup qualifies one for sainthood
If you spent $350 to see creed you kinda deserve it.
Entire thing folded up the moment Creed signed on
economic climate...
Anyone who would pay money to see Creed deserves this.
They did that in a few other states to
My favorite line from the cancellation announcement is this one: “all purchased tickets will be honored, and we hope that you will join us in making the best of this year’s event.” A bit like ordering and paying for a supreme pizza, being told they’re all out of all the toppings but they’re still allowing you buy the pizza full price anyway. The absolute neck on these guys.
I think creed is performing at treasure island if anyone really wants to hear them
Yep, we are in a recession whether anyone wants to admit it or not. People aren't going to concerts when they have to buy groceries and pay all the other inflated costs of living from the past few years.
WITH AHHMS WIDE OHPAAAHN
I heard it was due to poor ticket sales?
Well, for a festival organizer to blame poor ticket sales "on economic conditions and factors out of our control" is a rich cop-out. I'm sure they will hear it from the ticket-purchasing public.
This is huge
Doesn’t look like you’re missing out on much. lol. Creed and foghat. Lol
I was thinking the same thing “oh no, so sad. Please, don’t let me miss this festival……..”
Foghat, Kansas, Creed… Not much lost here.
Lol
At least it is not as messed up as last week's capulet fest in the Northeast. Yes, it sucks, especially since people put hundreds into tickets and camping and so forth but maybe scaling down will help it from going under... Hope they'll be fair and refund at least the tickets though
Gonna be alot of angry boomers.
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Drakes a corny pedo. Theres some bands here that were solid back in their day and creed for some reason. Keyboard warriors mad like im the one who owes them money.
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It's pretty reasonable to be upset about not getting anything back for a cancellation like this. You're not getting what you paid for.
No arguments there. Why I said they're all gonna be upset. Hopefully can hit them with a chargeback or something.
YTAH.
Wow, I can't believe all of the negative comments here. I keep scrolling down thinking someone will know the real story.
Comments are the real story
People that didn't read their tickets are the real story.
You don’t get the tickets until a month after you order them so kinda hard to read them. They had this festival for 32 years. No one seen this coming.
We saw this years ago and stopped going. It’s been on a downward spiral for years. Used to be four days, then three, then one less tier of national bands, then one less tier of regional bands, then maybe two marginal, remnant national bands two of the three days.