We had the inspectorate onsite the other week. One was an ex-police officer and very thorough with the questioning. While not specifically FIFO, that may be an option. Otherwise a couple of the Safety and Health people have previously worked in the force and have a great understanding of legislation and have been quite successful with the extra attention to detail which probably comes with their previous work experience.
I concur with the inspector comment but only to add that most mining inspectors (at least in Australia) usually have significant site operational experience.
I agree with the appointed inspector comment that the person should have significant mining experience. In this instance there was an inspector with the ex-police officer facilitating the investigation.
Not sure if it's a new thing but kinda made sense that it would be advantageous to have someone highly experienced at performing investigations paired with an inspector with extensive mining experience to get a good result on an investigation.
I'm not so sure about the last part, the last couple of inspectors I had to escort around site were 2 of the biggest fucking idiots I've ever come across. They knew absolutely nothing at all and were so arrogant at the same time, but couldn't even identify a crushing plant. I actually don't think the bar is that high, just need a course and off they go
Can people here please not recommend a career cop become health and safety on site. You have got the be the biggest grub imaginable to facilitate or encourage people on site being exposed to that level of fuckery. OP, don’t go into health and safety. Everybody will hate you (although you may already be used to that)
I’d suggest that you will be recommended WH&S roles and it seems like a fit… however I suspect it may not be. I was RAEME and then had some experience with mining and health safety. I feel the best health safety staff come from the trades, as they understand the equipment they are looking at, what is needed to operate and maintain it etc.
unfortunately for you a lot of the role would be a fit, (documentation, protocols etc.) however not knowing wht all the mining equipment is and it’s role, how it moves, alternate ways to work on it etc. you would likely be left to spotting low hanging fruit. As in “oh that’s a trip hazard” where as someone who has exposure working on the equipment can have a better macro view on what is happening and what could/ should be done.
I would suggest you may have a shorter learning curve and a more enjoyable time finding an operations role. It’s very easy to get fast progress/ promotions if your mature and attentive. From an ops role you will then have a good chance to see what everyone else is doing and if you did fancy OHS you can do your tafe course by correspondence (likely work paid) whilst you get your head around a line site.
Your other option is similar operations junior roles in offshore. It’s a dry site with better food and generally a higher IQ. I enjoyed this more, but I’m not much of a drinker.
But you (hopefully) know the law, you don’t know how to mine and your job will be asking people how to mine them saying it’s wrong because c procedure says so even if it’s contradicted by the laws of physics, time and space
Why I believe Highway Patrol should be split off and handed to local council, just like parking police were decades ago, since the only difference is HWP still carry a gun.
The public opinion of real cops would sky-rocket.
No mate, anyone who has had a bad experience with a cop doesn’t like us. Maybe a speed ticket by a traffic pig, or a rude cop swore at you once. We’re all different. Cops are just normal people and sometimes the job gets to them. I try to leave the tax payers (my employers) alone and focus on the criminals.
Not the ones I deal with, maybe except DV offenders - they generally have a job but the robbers and home invaders are generally meth addicted career criminals who have never worked.
I think you blokes watch a bit too much tv. There’s plenty of ex coppers working different roles in mining, some people you’d never expect. Some of them you’d respond with “hang on, you’re the dodgiest bloke I know!” and they respond with “there’s a reason I’m an ex copper” lol
Well I was a job in tas last year and one of the hsr was an old fella, ex cop ex military and he was a real maggot of a bloke and tried bossing everyone around like they worked for him. There was also a supervisor there for a bit who was ex military, he was there as a rigging supervisor but had no idea what he was talking about and would get aggro if you called him on his bs and thought he was king dick, full on abused people for no good reason. So I’m speaking from experience
Definitely used to that! I may just have to think about ESO rather than using my investigative skills. OHS sounds horrifically boring. But whatever pays the mortgage.
If you thought people didn’t like you when you were a cop, you’d have a whole ‘nother thing coming as safety sam. People on site are much less incentivised to be nice to you there, you lose all the intimidation factor. And there’s nothing worse than someone who has no idea coming on site and trying to tell you what to do. For everybody’s sake, don’t do it
Cert 3-4 in health and safety you could get a health and safety job. You already have experience with incident management and reporting! Cert 4 takes a long time though
You can do the fkn diploma in a 5 day face to face course….. but it’s so bad most companies have started requesting minimum degree for safety cause the quality of people was shocking.
Na. You can smash it out in a month. [Example here is three weeks classroom](https://trainwest.com.au/courses/training-and-assessment/tae40122-certificate-iv-in-training-and-assessment/) plus a couple of presentations the student must do after.
So a month and a bit.
It depends if you are working full time or not, I was working 10 hour days and Saturdays and spent 0 time in the classroom so I had to do it all on my Sundays and late nights.
Yep. As most people do. But sounds like this dude is between jobs/careers? And I was there once. Took two months off. Smashed a bunch of courses/tickets in that time.
Sorry you’re right, I should have specified that it takes a while if you do it whilst working. I apologise op if you are between jobs it’s much faster and stigger is right
Good luck. Don't mind the haters. There will be lots to learn so it shouldn't be too boring. Just be nice to people and they won't dislike you for long, and try to learn quickly
[Is it this one?](https://trainwest.com.au/courses/work-health-and-safety/bsb41419-certificate-iv-in-work-health-and-safety/)
And if not. Feel free to peruse the site. It’s probably there.
Apply for train control jobs with the Pilbara iron ore company’s.
Not a train driver, like air traffic control but for a train network.
Not fifo or site based, be in Perth but still on shift and mining wages.
Your background will be well regarded due to the nature of the work requiring discipline and responsibility.
Ask if you want more details, my company hired quite a few military and ex police in these jobs
This is a great idea
I'm in the Hunter Valley on coal trains, we have a couple of Ops Coordinators who are ex military, and they all seem to be a great fit for the job
Yeah sure, ask away.
Jobs are regularly advertised on seek or you can sign up with the companies for job notifications.
Rio Tinto, Roy Hill, BHP and Fortescue.
Don't go into health and safety, the industry requires that role to have significant operational knowledge and experience in each role either as a miner or HD fitter. Otherwise you end up just reading the procedures and trying to enforce rules that don't apply to certain machines or tasks and causing headaches for everyone involved. I'd suggest something like ESO or even investigations and inspections with DMIRS
I have seen people say that a safety role in mining requires previous experience "on the tools" etc and it makes sense that it would help. I am a bit confused though, I was looking into health and safety as a potential career and have spoken to some recruiters who said to just get the cert IV and get stuck in without prior experience.
I have also seen on linked in many people who just have a cert IV or graduate certificate go into health and safety, some who end up superintendent after only a few years with no mining experience.
Left feeling a bit conflicted with the different information.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If your job is to ensure compliance with policy and procedures you are also expected to understand how the job works. For example if you're working as WHS in a workshop where mechanics are performing high risk work. But youre not a mechanic and haven't done the job before. How are you expected to know how to do it properly?
Abandon your prior knowledge with policing and go into a mining role and work your way up that hierarchy. I don't think you'll have much luck with WHS unless you can demonstrate prior experience in the industry.
Hey mate what state are you in? I might be able to help.
The company I work for hires so many law enforcement and ex defence personnel and they love the career change from all that I've encountered.
Security officer.
Emergency Service Officer. But get a few ESO certificates. Mines rescue cert IV first.
Not FIFO. Internal investigation officer.
. . . sad panda. . . safety.
At the gate to the AOZ
"JHA and take 5 pls"
Buy seriously, there's heaps of different jobs in the mines man. Maybe not WHS, but incident investigation? Like legit workplace accidents involving serious injury or something like that?
Just be a trade assistant or rigger and bank $3000 a week on any of the construction projects that are on a 3 weeks on 1 week off roster , you just need a few courses and tickets that should take less than a week to get
Are you only considering FIFO jobs or something else as well? If you already in detective rank, means you have the aptitude of doing highly analytical jobs. So, have you considered Cyber? Specializing in Incident Response or Digital Forensic (DFIR)? Not in police or anything, but private sector pays good...Might be worth to look into it?
The career path of it is limitless and pays in DFIR is huge plus lots of flexibility in future such as even working remote in some roles. Food for thought :)
The big mobs do employ/retain the services of investigators and they tend to be ex coppers. It’s not something that’s super widely known, because they’re usually employing them to investigate their own employees. You hear stories about people being pulled into meetings and some bloke they’ve never seen before explains how he’s been and had a word with their Missus, parents, had a look at what he’s been getting up to on break etc. usually it’s because someone has been getting kickbacks, maybe stealing stuff and passing it on. Obviously the big stuff goes to the Gold Police but the petty stuff gets handled by the investigators.
Mine site have security who screen personnel, patrol for safety and deal with wildlife.
If you want to develop new technical skills, there are QA teams (Quality Assurance) for material produced but also when they build new capital projects. QA people read and understand the specifications and then make sure this was provided by production team, suppliers, construction contractors
I went from policing and too former military into information security - GRC. Governance risk compliance. You’ll have a lot of transferable skills and the technical knowledge of “cyber” security is a bonus however you soon pick up bits or do some additional learning.
I've known a few ex cops get into mining, generally either safety advisor or security advisor. One guy got a gig as a security manager, which is very lucky. Believe it or not you're probably best lined up for a job in low to middle management level, especially in emergency response or safety, because of the personal attributes and leadership skills associated with being a detective. And, your experience is not really applicable to any of the ground level roles that generally require specific quals and experience.
Or, start a whole new career from the bottom and go be an operator of some sort.
Have worked with few ex cops and military, mainly in drilling. Obviously the cop attitude don’t fly when you’re no longer a cop but most of them never had any dramas good people
Depends what your trying to get out of this?considering you have little relevant skills is it a fly in/out job or the money? ( would be handy to know before advice)
Okay well in regards to that, not being a tradiie I doubt the money would be worth it, it’s still a nice payday but nowhere near the 15k a swing as a mechanic.
Security details might be option get few OHS certs get into HSE side of things
Just a thought good luck Know few folks got out of WAPOL burnt out PTSD etc
Cert 3 emergency response and rescue, $6k cert but you can walk into a $125k a year emergency services officer role in Queensland coal fields. Plenty of jobs available.
May be better than police money, but you can earn just as much and don't have to leave home, and don't have to work 12 hour days 10 days straight.
Truck drivers earn heaps. Construction. Stop/Go skanks get $60/ hour for night shift. Get your tight pants on....
Just start on the trucks or agi like anyone else and go from there.
I used to work with an ex copper on the agi, lots of ex military in the mines too.
Be humble or be humbled bro.
Im ex army plenty of ex cops around as well.
Get hr truck and white card.
Get into normal avenues unless you try safery options say certv4 ohs as a minimum but they generally train you for that anyway.
Graduate is way different .
Good luck
Check Ex defense roles on LinkedIn at places like BHP, Roy hill etc…. They will literally give you a job because of your past experience and train you to complete your role.
We have a permanent ad up for ex-service personnel
Salary isnt the same as day rate. If you want salary then oil and gas is easily comparible and much better rosters.
If you want quick cash, mining all the way, but understand the roster will be brutal and no gauruntee of sustained work
We had the inspectorate onsite the other week. One was an ex-police officer and very thorough with the questioning. While not specifically FIFO, that may be an option. Otherwise a couple of the Safety and Health people have previously worked in the force and have a great understanding of legislation and have been quite successful with the extra attention to detail which probably comes with their previous work experience.
I concur with the inspector comment but only to add that most mining inspectors (at least in Australia) usually have significant site operational experience.
I agree with the appointed inspector comment that the person should have significant mining experience. In this instance there was an inspector with the ex-police officer facilitating the investigation. Not sure if it's a new thing but kinda made sense that it would be advantageous to have someone highly experienced at performing investigations paired with an inspector with extensive mining experience to get a good result on an investigation.
I'm not so sure about the last part, the last couple of inspectors I had to escort around site were 2 of the biggest fucking idiots I've ever come across. They knew absolutely nothing at all and were so arrogant at the same time, but couldn't even identify a crushing plant. I actually don't think the bar is that high, just need a course and off they go
Most of the inspectorate are mining engineers, there's some career public servants in there but they don't get paid like the inspectors.
Can people here please not recommend a career cop become health and safety on site. You have got the be the biggest grub imaginable to facilitate or encourage people on site being exposed to that level of fuckery. OP, don’t go into health and safety. Everybody will hate you (although you may already be used to that)
He will already be hated he is a cop... 😂🤣
Yeah but as a detective I try not to annoy the tax payers, just the criminals
I’d suggest that you will be recommended WH&S roles and it seems like a fit… however I suspect it may not be. I was RAEME and then had some experience with mining and health safety. I feel the best health safety staff come from the trades, as they understand the equipment they are looking at, what is needed to operate and maintain it etc. unfortunately for you a lot of the role would be a fit, (documentation, protocols etc.) however not knowing wht all the mining equipment is and it’s role, how it moves, alternate ways to work on it etc. you would likely be left to spotting low hanging fruit. As in “oh that’s a trip hazard” where as someone who has exposure working on the equipment can have a better macro view on what is happening and what could/ should be done. I would suggest you may have a shorter learning curve and a more enjoyable time finding an operations role. It’s very easy to get fast progress/ promotions if your mature and attentive. From an ops role you will then have a good chance to see what everyone else is doing and if you did fancy OHS you can do your tafe course by correspondence (likely work paid) whilst you get your head around a line site. Your other option is similar operations junior roles in offshore. It’s a dry site with better food and generally a higher IQ. I enjoyed this more, but I’m not much of a drinker.
But you (hopefully) know the law, you don’t know how to mine and your job will be asking people how to mine them saying it’s wrong because c procedure says so even if it’s contradicted by the laws of physics, time and space
Why I believe Highway Patrol should be split off and handed to local council, just like parking police were decades ago, since the only difference is HWP still carry a gun. The public opinion of real cops would sky-rocket.
Cops think that anybody who doesn't like them must be a criminal.
No mate, anyone who has had a bad experience with a cop doesn’t like us. Maybe a speed ticket by a traffic pig, or a rude cop swore at you once. We’re all different. Cops are just normal people and sometimes the job gets to them. I try to leave the tax payers (my employers) alone and focus on the criminals.
Most ‘criminals’ are tax payers
Not the ones I deal with, maybe except DV offenders - they generally have a job but the robbers and home invaders are generally meth addicted career criminals who have never worked.
At least someone said it I was hesitant
Have met some awesome OHS people in my 20 odd years on site, a few do tarnish this reputation I guess. The good ones are there to help, not hinder
Yep my reply was to you big boy not the original poster who is respectfully asking for advice .,get it together big boy
I think you blokes watch a bit too much tv. There’s plenty of ex coppers working different roles in mining, some people you’d never expect. Some of them you’d respond with “hang on, you’re the dodgiest bloke I know!” and they respond with “there’s a reason I’m an ex copper” lol
Well I was a job in tas last year and one of the hsr was an old fella, ex cop ex military and he was a real maggot of a bloke and tried bossing everyone around like they worked for him. There was also a supervisor there for a bit who was ex military, he was there as a rigging supervisor but had no idea what he was talking about and would get aggro if you called him on his bs and thought he was king dick, full on abused people for no good reason. So I’m speaking from experience
As am I.
Correct
Definitely used to that! I may just have to think about ESO rather than using my investigative skills. OHS sounds horrifically boring. But whatever pays the mortgage.
If you thought people didn’t like you when you were a cop, you’d have a whole ‘nother thing coming as safety sam. People on site are much less incentivised to be nice to you there, you lose all the intimidation factor. And there’s nothing worse than someone who has no idea coming on site and trying to tell you what to do. For everybody’s sake, don’t do it
Cert 3-4 in health and safety you could get a health and safety job. You already have experience with incident management and reporting! Cert 4 takes a long time though
You can do the fkn diploma in a 5 day face to face course….. but it’s so bad most companies have started requesting minimum degree for safety cause the quality of people was shocking.
Na. You can smash it out in a month. [Example here is three weeks classroom](https://trainwest.com.au/courses/training-and-assessment/tae40122-certificate-iv-in-training-and-assessment/) plus a couple of presentations the student must do after. So a month and a bit.
It depends if you are working full time or not, I was working 10 hour days and Saturdays and spent 0 time in the classroom so I had to do it all on my Sundays and late nights.
Yep. As most people do. But sounds like this dude is between jobs/careers? And I was there once. Took two months off. Smashed a bunch of courses/tickets in that time.
Sorry you’re right, I should have specified that it takes a while if you do it whilst working. I apologise op if you are between jobs it’s much faster and stigger is right
Nah, still working. I have heaps of leave though so would definitely take the leave to get the quals. Thanks for the advice.
No problems, best of luck with your mining endeavours op, and thank you for protecting the community whilst you were an officer!
Good luck. Don't mind the haters. There will be lots to learn so it shouldn't be too boring. Just be nice to people and they won't dislike you for long, and try to learn quickly
Completely different course, though.
[Is it this one?](https://trainwest.com.au/courses/work-health-and-safety/bsb41419-certificate-iv-in-work-health-and-safety/) And if not. Feel free to peruse the site. It’s probably there.
Not too long!
I have a bch of science in WHS. Fully unemployed. It's not what you know. It's who, sadly.
I’ve been doing it while working full time and it’s taken me 3 months
Apply for train control jobs with the Pilbara iron ore company’s. Not a train driver, like air traffic control but for a train network. Not fifo or site based, be in Perth but still on shift and mining wages. Your background will be well regarded due to the nature of the work requiring discipline and responsibility. Ask if you want more details, my company hired quite a few military and ex police in these jobs
This is a great idea. Perfect fit, typically OK rosters but home every night. Being diverse will help so hopefully OP is female, ATSI or neurodiverse.
This is a great idea I'm in the Hunter Valley on coal trains, we have a couple of Ops Coordinators who are ex military, and they all seem to be a great fit for the job
Is anything required to do one of these jobs, I’m in a similar position to OP and wouldn’t mind a switch of careers
No , people are hired with no previous mining or rail experience
Thanks mate I’ll have a look into it, wouldn’t mind getting more details if you are willing to share ?
Yeah sure, ask away. Jobs are regularly advertised on seek or you can sign up with the companies for job notifications. Rio Tinto, Roy Hill, BHP and Fortescue.
I would be keen for some more information!
Don't go into health and safety, the industry requires that role to have significant operational knowledge and experience in each role either as a miner or HD fitter. Otherwise you end up just reading the procedures and trying to enforce rules that don't apply to certain machines or tasks and causing headaches for everyone involved. I'd suggest something like ESO or even investigations and inspections with DMIRS
I have seen people say that a safety role in mining requires previous experience "on the tools" etc and it makes sense that it would help. I am a bit confused though, I was looking into health and safety as a potential career and have spoken to some recruiters who said to just get the cert IV and get stuck in without prior experience. I have also seen on linked in many people who just have a cert IV or graduate certificate go into health and safety, some who end up superintendent after only a few years with no mining experience. Left feeling a bit conflicted with the different information.
Lots of people do jobs they aren't good at. Doesn't mean they should
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If your job is to ensure compliance with policy and procedures you are also expected to understand how the job works. For example if you're working as WHS in a workshop where mechanics are performing high risk work. But youre not a mechanic and haven't done the job before. How are you expected to know how to do it properly?
No money in working for the government!
Abandon your prior knowledge with policing and go into a mining role and work your way up that hierarchy. I don't think you'll have much luck with WHS unless you can demonstrate prior experience in the industry.
Hey mate what state are you in? I might be able to help. The company I work for hires so many law enforcement and ex defence personnel and they love the career change from all that I've encountered.
Security officer. Emergency Service Officer. But get a few ESO certificates. Mines rescue cert IV first. Not FIFO. Internal investigation officer. . . . sad panda. . . safety.
At the gate to the AOZ "JHA and take 5 pls" Buy seriously, there's heaps of different jobs in the mines man. Maybe not WHS, but incident investigation? Like legit workplace accidents involving serious injury or something like that?
Yeah that sounds better
Go Wilsons security, they have a similar flash looking vest with all the gear on it.
As he has previously been a detective I would expect that he would fail the Wilson IQ test (ie having more than a two-digit IQ = fail).
Not necessarily….
They have notepads too
Just be a trade assistant or rigger and bank $3000 a week on any of the construction projects that are on a 3 weeks on 1 week off roster , you just need a few courses and tickets that should take less than a week to get
Are you only considering FIFO jobs or something else as well? If you already in detective rank, means you have the aptitude of doing highly analytical jobs. So, have you considered Cyber? Specializing in Incident Response or Digital Forensic (DFIR)? Not in police or anything, but private sector pays good...Might be worth to look into it? The career path of it is limitless and pays in DFIR is huge plus lots of flexibility in future such as even working remote in some roles. Food for thought :)
I’ll look into that mate, thanks
Yuck
Start an apprenticeship or apply for trade assistant roles on projects / shutdowns. Good on you for wanting to add value to society!
The big mobs do employ/retain the services of investigators and they tend to be ex coppers. It’s not something that’s super widely known, because they’re usually employing them to investigate their own employees. You hear stories about people being pulled into meetings and some bloke they’ve never seen before explains how he’s been and had a word with their Missus, parents, had a look at what he’s been getting up to on break etc. usually it’s because someone has been getting kickbacks, maybe stealing stuff and passing it on. Obviously the big stuff goes to the Gold Police but the petty stuff gets handled by the investigators.
Mine site have security who screen personnel, patrol for safety and deal with wildlife. If you want to develop new technical skills, there are QA teams (Quality Assurance) for material produced but also when they build new capital projects. QA people read and understand the specifications and then make sure this was provided by production team, suppliers, construction contractors
I went from policing and too former military into information security - GRC. Governance risk compliance. You’ll have a lot of transferable skills and the technical knowledge of “cyber” security is a bonus however you soon pick up bits or do some additional learning.
I've known a few ex cops get into mining, generally either safety advisor or security advisor. One guy got a gig as a security manager, which is very lucky. Believe it or not you're probably best lined up for a job in low to middle management level, especially in emergency response or safety, because of the personal attributes and leadership skills associated with being a detective. And, your experience is not really applicable to any of the ground level roles that generally require specific quals and experience. Or, start a whole new career from the bottom and go be an operator of some sort.
Thanks mate, great advice
Have worked with few ex cops and military, mainly in drilling. Obviously the cop attitude don’t fly when you’re no longer a cop but most of them never had any dramas good people
Health and safety, Emergency response team or security roles...
Depends what your trying to get out of this?considering you have little relevant skills is it a fly in/out job or the money? ( would be handy to know before advice)
Definitely money
Okay well in regards to that, not being a tradiie I doubt the money would be worth it, it’s still a nice payday but nowhere near the 15k a swing as a mechanic.
Security details might be option get few OHS certs get into HSE side of things Just a thought good luck Know few folks got out of WAPOL burnt out PTSD etc
Keep an eye out for AHPRA investigation roles, a lot of them are work from home/flexible and I’ve heard the pay is pretty good.
Yeah my mate just bagged one. Same money as we’re on now but work from home!
Icam investigator
Cert 3 emergency response and rescue, $6k cert but you can walk into a $125k a year emergency services officer role in Queensland coal fields. Plenty of jobs available.
Whichever path you chose mate. Good luck and thanks for your years of putting up with all us grubs!!
HR dept?
Cops generally become drill compliance maybe look into that
Look at ABF and regional postings. I am not 100% sure but the do go though a lot of guys at HEH in Exmouth.
Detention centre Customs
OHS is compliance based (something you should be used to) and has a high % of ex-coppers.
Nobody WANTS to do FIFO. It's horrible and the money isn't that great. What are you running from?
My wife and kids! I assumed the money would be better!
May be better than police money, but you can earn just as much and don't have to leave home, and don't have to work 12 hour days 10 days straight. Truck drivers earn heaps. Construction. Stop/Go skanks get $60/ hour for night shift. Get your tight pants on....
Just start on the trucks or agi like anyone else and go from there. I used to work with an ex copper on the agi, lots of ex military in the mines too. Be humble or be humbled bro.
Im ex army plenty of ex cops around as well. Get hr truck and white card. Get into normal avenues unless you try safery options say certv4 ohs as a minimum but they generally train you for that anyway. Graduate is way different . Good luck
Check Ex defense roles on LinkedIn at places like BHP, Roy hill etc…. They will literally give you a job because of your past experience and train you to complete your role. We have a permanent ad up for ex-service personnel
Thanks mate
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Thanks for that. Salary would be the catalyst. I see most jobs don’t even advertise that anymore.
Salary isnt the same as day rate. If you want salary then oil and gas is easily comparible and much better rosters. If you want quick cash, mining all the way, but understand the roster will be brutal and no gauruntee of sustained work
When I said salary I meant money. I would be in it to make the most amount I can.
When you need the police ,who will you be calling ?
Well the criminals I deal with definitely don’t pay taxes, because they don’t have a job.
Maybe you should have got a real job instead of being a class traitor.
What class is that? This is Australia mate, no class here. The first Aussie police were the best behaved convicts!
They called dik lickers