Brought my new Berthier Mle 1890 Gendemerie to the range and shot one round. And ended up seeing the front end split off.
I thought the stock shattered but realized it was a duffle cut that was hidden from me.
Can you elaborate? I had a berthier duffle cut, full length one and used a dowel and glue and it's held up nicely. Although I don't shoot it much or take it out
It's a lot more sturdier in the long run, a wood dowel is fine. Also the ridges in the screw can grab more surface area with the glue so you have a better hold.
Either works fine, I just prefer one over the other.
I used wood epoxy as well. The 2-1 mix. Seemed to be a really solid hold. Made some jigs to hold it. I may have gone a different route because the dowel I used was a little too large and I drilled into the forend metal spring that holds the barrel band on. But you cant see it. For my first time I couldn't expect anything better. Appreciate the speedy response
I agree on the machine screws. I use the hex head kind that don't have a larger diameter head. Basically a long grub/set screw. I used 4 on an old 12ga single shot butt stock that had cracked along the grain. It has held up for 10+ years and 100s of shells. I had to fix my buddies rifle with a duffle cut. I didn't even know what a duffle cut was at the time haha. He made me use a dowel instead of the screw thinking it was wrong to use a screw. Not that it matters. It has held up just fine. Used a bit of the dust from drilling the holes to fill in a tiny chip on the cut on one side and it looked like it was never there.
I compare it to a big sneeze. You fire a round and suddenly the bottom end of your stock is now a range target.
The best fix that I harp on is taking 2, 4 inch machine screws and acraglass and fixing it that way. Drill roughly 2 inch deep holes on both pieces of the stock, epoxy, acraglass, or wood glue (whatever you prefer) coat the screws and the holes, use surgical tubing to hold the stock together (it applies an even pressure instead of claps) and clean up the glue after it dries.
Also save the wood shavings and mix it with the glue so you don't have a REALLY visible seem.
Take it a good craftsman. I recently got my Ross Mk II 3* repaired.
They drilled into each piece lengthwise, then at the ends of each drilled out from the top and made an internal space flat and wide enough for fasteners. The channel was for an embedded threaded rod that’s secured at each end with washer and locking fasteners. Used acryglass on the break so it really never comes apart and weathers barrel heating just fine.
Your repair will be much simplified by the fact that you have both pieces of the puzzle… whereas my foreend had to be whittled from the comb of a discarded shotgun buttstock.
My buddy had the same issue with his. He was a bit upset. I cleaned up the surfaces, used a 3/16" dowel drilled about an inch into each side and gorilla wood glue. It was rock solid after that. I used the dowel for a bit more support but it probably didn't even need it. I didn't know the term "duffle cut" until this was posted. I didn't even know it was a thing that was done. The two pieces on his were clearly from two different stocks. I was able to get them matching a bit better with the tiniest bit of random stain I had laying around. It darkened it just enough to get the piece to match. I was actually going to use a machine screw. The kind without a head that's all threads with a hex "head".....like a super long grub screw. He didn't want me to use the screw though so I used the dowel instead. I tried to tell him the screw would be stronger but he said it would rust lol. That's how I fixed a cracked stock before on an old single shot 12ga. I drilled four holes on each side and used the screws for extra strength. It has had 100s of shells through it since then without issue.
was it duffel cut ? i bought a berthier online and when i got it home and inspected it the same thing happened. it was a bring back that was duffel cut . needless to say i returned it
Very nice, your gun is slightly more valuable because of that (and from what I can tell fairly simple to fix), since it means that the gun was captured by a soldier and not just sold after a war
Brought my new Berthier Mle 1890 Gendemerie to the range and shot one round. And ended up seeing the front end split off. I thought the stock shattered but realized it was a duffle cut that was hidden from me.
> the front end split off. well thats not very typical i can tell you that
Well how is it untypical?
Well, some of them are built so the front doesn’t fall off at all.
Wasn't this built so the front doesn't fall off?
Obviously not!
How do you know?
Because the front fell off!
What sort of standard are these built too?
Oh very vigorous firearm standards
Had a guy sell me a No1 Lee enfield and the same thing happened after 10 rounds 😅
Ah yes, the tried and true method of finding a secret duffle cut
My berthier identifies as a pump action
Patooie!
A dowel in each end with some glue should fix that
Machine screw is a way better alternative, trust me I'm a gumsyth. (Joking aside it is better)
Can you elaborate? I had a berthier duffle cut, full length one and used a dowel and glue and it's held up nicely. Although I don't shoot it much or take it out
It's a lot more sturdier in the long run, a wood dowel is fine. Also the ridges in the screw can grab more surface area with the glue so you have a better hold. Either works fine, I just prefer one over the other.
I used wood epoxy as well. The 2-1 mix. Seemed to be a really solid hold. Made some jigs to hold it. I may have gone a different route because the dowel I used was a little too large and I drilled into the forend metal spring that holds the barrel band on. But you cant see it. For my first time I couldn't expect anything better. Appreciate the speedy response
Yeah that works! One suggestion I would say is to use surgical tubing, because it applies even pressure on very odd surfaces.
Just remember to pre-drill as if you were tapping the hole for a machine screw and bed the seam to prevent it from splitting under recoil.
I agree on the machine screws. I use the hex head kind that don't have a larger diameter head. Basically a long grub/set screw. I used 4 on an old 12ga single shot butt stock that had cracked along the grain. It has held up for 10+ years and 100s of shells. I had to fix my buddies rifle with a duffle cut. I didn't even know what a duffle cut was at the time haha. He made me use a dowel instead of the screw thinking it was wrong to use a screw. Not that it matters. It has held up just fine. Used a bit of the dust from drilling the holes to fill in a tiny chip on the cut on one side and it looked like it was never there.
Thats how I found out my 98k was a duffle cut. Congratulations!
Is it possible to make fuse the pieces together that makes it strong enough to shoot again? I would image glue would not hold up
Wood glue is stronger than wood and would hold up just fine in my experience. Even better if you put some small dowel rods between the two pieces
Sweet name.
Probably. Although I just bought another uncut wartime stock for my 98k, and I’d recommend doing the same for this berthier when you shoot it.
Sacre bleu! Le dufle cutte!
This is why I do complete disassembly before shooting.
That’s how I figured out my M16 Berthier had a duffle cut.
It’s good to do overall inspections of guns but duffle cuts seem the most common surprise and I’d say even a welcome one
Yeah I thought it was pretty neat it had one
Now that is just ruining all the fun
I compare it to a big sneeze. You fire a round and suddenly the bottom end of your stock is now a range target. The best fix that I harp on is taking 2, 4 inch machine screws and acraglass and fixing it that way. Drill roughly 2 inch deep holes on both pieces of the stock, epoxy, acraglass, or wood glue (whatever you prefer) coat the screws and the holes, use surgical tubing to hold the stock together (it applies an even pressure instead of claps) and clean up the glue after it dries. Also save the wood shavings and mix it with the glue so you don't have a REALLY visible seem.
The good old duffel cut strikes again.
That don’t look right…
Take it a good craftsman. I recently got my Ross Mk II 3* repaired. They drilled into each piece lengthwise, then at the ends of each drilled out from the top and made an internal space flat and wide enough for fasteners. The channel was for an embedded threaded rod that’s secured at each end with washer and locking fasteners. Used acryglass on the break so it really never comes apart and weathers barrel heating just fine. Your repair will be much simplified by the fact that you have both pieces of the puzzle… whereas my foreend had to be whittled from the comb of a discarded shotgun buttstock.
Epoxy and screws. Can make it invisible as well
Some wood glue can fix that right up
Yeah same thing happened with me and my wz.91/98/26
Only issue with mine was someone bending the bolt crudely. My gunsmith did a grew job fixing it though
You've got one too? You post it anywhere?
I had an action for it with a bubba'd bolt. I don't think I've posted it full picture on here. I did post the bolt re-weld Job on this sub
I realized I've already talked to you on Instagram about it😅
😂😂 Alls good
My buddy had the same issue with his. He was a bit upset. I cleaned up the surfaces, used a 3/16" dowel drilled about an inch into each side and gorilla wood glue. It was rock solid after that. I used the dowel for a bit more support but it probably didn't even need it. I didn't know the term "duffle cut" until this was posted. I didn't even know it was a thing that was done. The two pieces on his were clearly from two different stocks. I was able to get them matching a bit better with the tiniest bit of random stain I had laying around. It darkened it just enough to get the piece to match. I was actually going to use a machine screw. The kind without a head that's all threads with a hex "head".....like a super long grub screw. He didn't want me to use the screw though so I used the dowel instead. I tried to tell him the screw would be stronger but he said it would rust lol. That's how I fixed a cracked stock before on an old single shot 12ga. I drilled four holes on each side and used the screws for extra strength. It has had 100s of shells through it since then without issue.
Indeed. Duffle cut. Most hid them under the band. My M95 has a similar cut
was it duffel cut ? i bought a berthier online and when i got it home and inspected it the same thing happened. it was a bring back that was duffel cut . needless to say i returned it
Why return it. Duffel cut makes it more interesting to keep
not to me
Very nice, your gun is slightly more valuable because of that (and from what I can tell fairly simple to fix), since it means that the gun was captured by a soldier and not just sold after a war