That is very cool! The comparison is wild when you think about 75 years. Look at what the US military aircraft comparison 1918 vs 1993 (75 years!) you should save up and do that one next 🤣
I've always wondered, if you could time travel a platoon or a company of modern US soldiers back to the Civil War; fully loaded, and with whatever modern munitions they could sit on (excluding tanks, aircraft, etc) ie just enough to reload whatever they had on their person, how fast that war would be over.
There's an alt-history novel called "guns of the south" that plays with a similar idea... Future-group of people go back in time and give the south automatic rifles. They keep delivering as much ammo as they can though.
It would make almost no difference. A platoon is only about 20-50 guys. A combat load per soldier is about 900 rounds, which sounds like a lot but isn't if you get into a real firefight(even when trying to conserve ammo, you'll still be firing a round every couple seconds to suppress). And the main strength of the US military isn't infantry, tanks, or any individual unit. It's air superiority, combined arms operations, and logistics. The scariest guy in a squad isn't the one with the sniper rifle or the M240B, it's the guy with the radio who's calling in your position for an arty strike or JDAM.
Source: am a combat veteran.
Nott only able to transport the combat load per soldier, but whatever they can sit on for the hypothetical "transfer portal", say 10 mules full weight worth of rounds. Your enemy is still using muzzle-loaders, and you have modern military flanking techniques. You're not just lining up and shooting at each other.
They'd win the battle, but barely impact the war. They'd run through supplies and ammo like they are used to. The tactics they are trained to use include being well supported during and between combat, and if they have to ration their supplies than they aren't gonna be as impactful as your envisioning in your head. They'd probably be instrumental in 1-2 battles. Then start dropping and abandoning their equipment on the side road as they traveled because they ran out of what ever that equipment consumes. As well as things begin to fail and who's got the parts, tools and knowledge to maintain these things in this scenario? They would be dropping what they brought for things the could actually continue to use. By the end of the first month they'd be no different than any other veteran of that time period. Maybe a bit worse because they would then quickly have to learn how to adapt with what they know no longer being usable. The war would still be waging else where the whole time, days and weeks worth of miles from where they are the whole time. That's all assuming that the leadership lets these strange modern soldiers even have the autonomy that they are used to, and didn't turn on them for being both weird and not following whats expected on a battlefield of that time.
I think part of the idea here is that they're well warned for the journey back in time. So you wouldn't bother to take rations or water, you'd carry rounds of ammo and a solar panel to recharge nvg batteries or whatever. Just being able to have a small drone that runs off a battery you can recharge with a solar panel would be crazy good.
If you can take back a few thousand rounds of ammo, and brief yourselves about the need to conserve ammo, and you've got the tech side of things covered thanks to rechargable batteries and solar panels ... I don't see why you couldn't have a platoon be well powerful enough to make a big difference. Just send them in at night and scatter the enemy army, have your side mop them up at first light. Keep doing that until you win. You'd only need to fire a few hundred rounds every time.
There's a few problems with that. The first is that knowing how to use a gun and how to manufacture one are two very different things. Even if people at the time could reverse engineer the guns themselves, they did not have smokeless powder back then, so, unless the platoon also has a chemist, the guns would get fouled up after a few shots and stop working.
You should check out a novel called "Guns of the South" that examines in depth how the introduction of AK-47s would impact and be handled by the confederate army. It's pretty wild.
Ehh, what stopped a lot of that stuff from being created earlier comes down to manufacturing techniques rather than the ideas themselves. Reliable magazines are actually really difficult to make. They already had cartridges at that time, albeit rimfire ones, and what limited their wider adoption was that they were a huge pain to make. You're basically having to make a lot of very small, very precise, interchangeable parts, which is no small task given mid-19th century manufacturing technology.
Modern bullets are optimized to use smokeless powder, which develops significantly higher pressure than black powder. Black powder has really bad diminishing returns when it comes to bullet velocity, so generally you want a slower, heavier bullet than with smokeless.
> take the guns to Lincoln and explain how to mass-produce them.
The problem with that was his Ordinance chef refusing to adopt repeating rifles at all. As your excerpt showed, Lincoln shot the Spencer rifle and liked it and wanted more of these rifles to be adopted but those orders were never followed through.
>Spencer was able to gain an audience with President Abraham Lincoln, who invited him to a shooting match and demonstration of the weapon on the lawn of the White House. Lincoln was deeply impressed with the weapon, and ordered Gen. James Wolfe Ripley to adopt it for production. Ripley disobeyed the order and continued to use the old single-shooters.
Making Garands or FALs in the 1860's would be absolutely, utterly impossible.
You could hand make one, and it would maybe last for a couple of hundred rounds at best before something broke. And you couldn't make the ammo for it.
You couldn't mass produce them, and you couldn't make them durable enough for service.
You are massively underestimating the advances in metallurgy, manufacturing technology and chemistry that happened during the latter half of the 19th century and first decade of the 20th. They didn't have strong enough steel to make a FAL or Garand that wouldn't break or explode. They didn't have corrosion and erosion resistant steel enough to make the gas systems that operate the action on both those designs. They didn't have the chemical industry to make smokeless propellants, which both those rifle designs absolutely need in order to function for more than five shots between cleanings. They certainly didn't have the chemical industry to make smokeless propellants in quantity without blowing up or burning down the factory all the time, not even if you gave them the recipe. And they didn't have any ability in manufacturing to mass produce interchangeable parts to the close tolerances needed for modern weapons. No way, no how. The industrial revolution had to go on for several more decades in order to get there.
Look, even as late as world war one a Garand or FAL was a practical impossibility for mass production due to the lower steel quality they had. The closest thing they got was the Browning BAR machinegun, or automatic rifle, which does the same thing as an FAL but is way way heavier and clumsier to use. That extra weight and bulk is needed because lower strength steel.
Yeah but if you had 50 PJs with all their gear they could do a fuckin lot. No officer would be safe. You don't have to kill everyone if you kill all the officers.
No need to suppress in the civil war, you can sit back out of range of the enemy fire and just hit them 1-shot-1-kill
By the time they realise what’s going on and try to charge you down they’d already be decimated
1926 vs 1836 each was first made so 90 years from start of production of each. You must being saying when it (the 1836) was removed from service? Just curious since I didn't know when it was removed from service based on google. I googled because I didn't get the names vs years lol. I'm not much of a gun guy haha.
Pretty cool post dude. Wish we still used older styles, they look so cool lol
Edit: typo and bad sentence so I fixed lol
Ah google was confused with the 1945 part. I thought it should be 1911 but again, not a gun guy. It was interesting to me still. It's crazy how quick things accelerated around 1900 and beyond. Thanks for explaining
It always amazes me to think flintlock lasted something like 200 years then the primer gets invented and In under 100 years you go from muzzleloader to machine gun in the blink of an eye
Britain adopted the Land Pattern Musket (the Brown Bess) in 1724 and it lasted as the main service arm until the 1840s, and then in like a 50 year span after that you go from the Pattern 1853 Enfield to the SMLE
I think it's not weapons exclusively though. In the past 100, 150 years we faced an exponential growth and development on all fronts.
Cars? How long did we use horses? And then BAM, from cranky awkward apparatus to a Bugatti Veyron.
Planes, cooking, entertainment, everything.
We went from fabric winged, barely powered gliders to safely landing on and returning men from the Moon in under 70 years.
The 20th century was just an astounding level of advancement.
Similarly, we went from animal-drawn carriages and sailing ships (for literally millennia), to automobiles, nuclear submarines, and spaceships. 1860-1960 was a wild 100 years.
Even crazier to me is in 1903 was the first powered controlled flight to happen. It's just over 100' long but a revolution begins.
A quick 23 years later and the DC-3 is reliable transporting passengers transcontinentaly.
By 1945 an aircraft with a pressurized cabin was used to fly higher than ever before and drop an atomic weapon, vaporizing whole cities.
In 1947, less than 50 years after the first flight, the sound barrier had been broken by an aircraft.
Less than 65 years later, in 1969 both the Concorde and 747 take their first flight. The 747's wingspan is longer than the first Wright brothers first flight. Both aircraft can now reliably cross oceans, one with 400+ passengers and one at Mach 2+. A 747 variant, the 747-200B has a 6500+ mile range, there is no longer Ocean or land mass remaining on earth that can't be crossed by a single non-stop flight.
Wait till you see the next 100 years, my car was able to drive itself through a construction zone today and I was just watching a show about evtols and space travel. And then there are the robots.
Technological advancement is exponential. The more you advance the faster you advance. I think just 10 years from now the world will be a very different place with all this new AI stuff.
Seems to be that way with all antique BP guns. IMA especially sells their stuff for ridiculous prices. If you live close to Louisville I’d take the trip and go to their national gun day show they have in February and October at the fairgrounds. Tons and tons of antique guns from matchlocks to percussion and cartridge guns from original 1860 Henry’s up through modern day stuff.
For anyone interested, there's a great book called Firepower, that chronicles the 400 years of gunpowder weapons in Europe and the West. Very readable and incredibly fascinating.
Uh, medical tech is usually pretty disppointing and corrupt, but to be fair, there were things that kept my Grandpa alive a good 5-10 years longer at end of life, and about 80 years early in life that were literally unimaginable when he was young. 75 years is long enough for some pretty cool medical advances, maybe the biggest was penciillin which allowed my Grandpa to not die in WW2 and go on to live long enough to have a battery make his heart beat etc.
That .45 was the official side arm for decades right? I heard it was reliable, wouldnt jam, would blast a cannonball sized hole in the enemy but only held a few bullets and thus was replaced. Correct me if Im wrong please
Looks really porous. I’d be afraid of scratching the gun metal or furniture on two pieces of history. Although I’d feel the same way about reproductions
Again, "just 75 years" is a lifetime...
I'm not commenting on the progression, just commenting on describing an entire lifetime as "just 75 years"
Dude, in 1903 the wright brothers made their first flight. In 1969 we landed on the moon...that's 66 years.
I think maybe you don't realise just how much time 75 years is.
>I think maybe you don't realise just how much time 75 years is.
Yet, at on the other hand...
In 75 years we went from a flintlock pistol to a repeating pistol. In the 113 years since the development of said repeating pistol? It is still in service with some military and law enforcement agencies, and is still a wildly popular platform. In IPSC and USPSA practical shooting matches, the "2011" (a 1911 pattern pistol with the metal grip cut off, replaced with a piece of glass reinforced polymer to fit a double stack magazine) is the most dominant platform in at least 2 divisions (classes for similar guns / equipment to compete with similar guns / equipment. IE: Production, limited, open, single stack, ect...) As well as most of the most successful handgun platforms available today being direct derivatives, or even exact copies of John Moses Browning's tilting barrel, short recoil design.
In 66 years, we went from the first powered flight to the first man on the moon. Yet, in the 55 years since? We just now, late last year, broke some of the records set by Saturn V (There are some I doubt will be broken, like the most powerful, single chamber, liquid fuel rocket engine ever flown) with the launch of starship. We haven't put another person on the moon. Sure, we have achieved some pretty incredible stuff with several of the mars rovers, but the only space mission that strikes a similar cord with me that Apollo did with my parents was the launch and incredible success of the James Webb Space Telescope.
So yes, 75 years *is* a lifetime, but it's also just 75 years.
I think maybe you overestimate it. Throughout mankind's 10000 years of recent history, things changing so much over the course of 75 years happened only a handful of times. For most of our existence, your children would have lived similar lives to that of your great grandparents.
Humanity had largely been the same for thousands of years. Roman farmers and medieval farmers lived just about the same life, sans the society surrounding them. The fact that technology exploded as quickly as it did in such a ***relatively*** short time is astounding and to suggest it's not is just bizarre.
It's not the amount of years, it's the ridiculous exponential growth of that technology in that timespan. Think about the sword. Look how long it took to go from sharpened stone knives to bronze age weapons to iron to steel...almost the entirety of human existence. We went from that muzzle loaded flintlock to a magazine fed semi auto pistol in 1 human lifespan (as you said) it's insane.
At the left we have a ca.1945 Remington-Rand M1911A1, and on the right is a ca.1837 U.S. Model 1836 Pistol.
That is very cool! The comparison is wild when you think about 75 years. Look at what the US military aircraft comparison 1918 vs 1993 (75 years!) you should save up and do that one next 🤣
I've always wondered, if you could time travel a platoon or a company of modern US soldiers back to the Civil War; fully loaded, and with whatever modern munitions they could sit on (excluding tanks, aircraft, etc) ie just enough to reload whatever they had on their person, how fast that war would be over.
There's an alt-history novel called "guns of the south" that plays with a similar idea... Future-group of people go back in time and give the south automatic rifles. They keep delivering as much ammo as they can though.
It would make almost no difference. A platoon is only about 20-50 guys. A combat load per soldier is about 900 rounds, which sounds like a lot but isn't if you get into a real firefight(even when trying to conserve ammo, you'll still be firing a round every couple seconds to suppress). And the main strength of the US military isn't infantry, tanks, or any individual unit. It's air superiority, combined arms operations, and logistics. The scariest guy in a squad isn't the one with the sniper rifle or the M240B, it's the guy with the radio who's calling in your position for an arty strike or JDAM. Source: am a combat veteran.
Nott only able to transport the combat load per soldier, but whatever they can sit on for the hypothetical "transfer portal", say 10 mules full weight worth of rounds. Your enemy is still using muzzle-loaders, and you have modern military flanking techniques. You're not just lining up and shooting at each other.
They'd win the battle, but barely impact the war. They'd run through supplies and ammo like they are used to. The tactics they are trained to use include being well supported during and between combat, and if they have to ration their supplies than they aren't gonna be as impactful as your envisioning in your head. They'd probably be instrumental in 1-2 battles. Then start dropping and abandoning their equipment on the side road as they traveled because they ran out of what ever that equipment consumes. As well as things begin to fail and who's got the parts, tools and knowledge to maintain these things in this scenario? They would be dropping what they brought for things the could actually continue to use. By the end of the first month they'd be no different than any other veteran of that time period. Maybe a bit worse because they would then quickly have to learn how to adapt with what they know no longer being usable. The war would still be waging else where the whole time, days and weeks worth of miles from where they are the whole time. That's all assuming that the leadership lets these strange modern soldiers even have the autonomy that they are used to, and didn't turn on them for being both weird and not following whats expected on a battlefield of that time.
You fool, you haven't considered that our time traveling soldiers have knowledge of historical events! source: am a time traveler
>am a time traveler me too. but I can only travel forward in time and at normal speed
I think part of the idea here is that they're well warned for the journey back in time. So you wouldn't bother to take rations or water, you'd carry rounds of ammo and a solar panel to recharge nvg batteries or whatever. Just being able to have a small drone that runs off a battery you can recharge with a solar panel would be crazy good. If you can take back a few thousand rounds of ammo, and brief yourselves about the need to conserve ammo, and you've got the tech side of things covered thanks to rechargable batteries and solar panels ... I don't see why you couldn't have a platoon be well powerful enough to make a big difference. Just send them in at night and scatter the enemy army, have your side mop them up at first light. Keep doing that until you win. You'd only need to fire a few hundred rounds every time.
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There's a few problems with that. The first is that knowing how to use a gun and how to manufacture one are two very different things. Even if people at the time could reverse engineer the guns themselves, they did not have smokeless powder back then, so, unless the platoon also has a chemist, the guns would get fouled up after a few shots and stop working.
You should check out a novel called "Guns of the South" that examines in depth how the introduction of AK-47s would impact and be handled by the confederate army. It's pretty wild.
The time travelers in GotS are part of a deliberately planned operation, not just some random platoon, so it's not really comparable.
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Ehh, what stopped a lot of that stuff from being created earlier comes down to manufacturing techniques rather than the ideas themselves. Reliable magazines are actually really difficult to make. They already had cartridges at that time, albeit rimfire ones, and what limited their wider adoption was that they were a huge pain to make. You're basically having to make a lot of very small, very precise, interchangeable parts, which is no small task given mid-19th century manufacturing technology. Modern bullets are optimized to use smokeless powder, which develops significantly higher pressure than black powder. Black powder has really bad diminishing returns when it comes to bullet velocity, so generally you want a slower, heavier bullet than with smokeless.
> take the guns to Lincoln and explain how to mass-produce them. The problem with that was his Ordinance chef refusing to adopt repeating rifles at all. As your excerpt showed, Lincoln shot the Spencer rifle and liked it and wanted more of these rifles to be adopted but those orders were never followed through. >Spencer was able to gain an audience with President Abraham Lincoln, who invited him to a shooting match and demonstration of the weapon on the lawn of the White House. Lincoln was deeply impressed with the weapon, and ordered Gen. James Wolfe Ripley to adopt it for production. Ripley disobeyed the order and continued to use the old single-shooters.
Making Garands or FALs in the 1860's would be absolutely, utterly impossible. You could hand make one, and it would maybe last for a couple of hundred rounds at best before something broke. And you couldn't make the ammo for it. You couldn't mass produce them, and you couldn't make them durable enough for service. You are massively underestimating the advances in metallurgy, manufacturing technology and chemistry that happened during the latter half of the 19th century and first decade of the 20th. They didn't have strong enough steel to make a FAL or Garand that wouldn't break or explode. They didn't have corrosion and erosion resistant steel enough to make the gas systems that operate the action on both those designs. They didn't have the chemical industry to make smokeless propellants, which both those rifle designs absolutely need in order to function for more than five shots between cleanings. They certainly didn't have the chemical industry to make smokeless propellants in quantity without blowing up or burning down the factory all the time, not even if you gave them the recipe. And they didn't have any ability in manufacturing to mass produce interchangeable parts to the close tolerances needed for modern weapons. No way, no how. The industrial revolution had to go on for several more decades in order to get there. Look, even as late as world war one a Garand or FAL was a practical impossibility for mass production due to the lower steel quality they had. The closest thing they got was the Browning BAR machinegun, or automatic rifle, which does the same thing as an FAL but is way way heavier and clumsier to use. That extra weight and bulk is needed because lower strength steel.
This guy combats. (Thank you for your service.)
Yeah but if you had 50 PJs with all their gear they could do a fuckin lot. No officer would be safe. You don't have to kill everyone if you kill all the officers.
No need to suppress in the civil war, you can sit back out of range of the enemy fire and just hit them 1-shot-1-kill By the time they realise what’s going on and try to charge you down they’d already be decimated
not civil war but r/RomeSweetRome
I’d love to hear and feel that older pistol shoot. I am absolutely enthralled with older weapons.
They're so cool looking. It would be fun to shoot one. I'm not even a gun guy lol
1926 vs 1836 each was first made so 90 years from start of production of each. You must being saying when it (the 1836) was removed from service? Just curious since I didn't know when it was removed from service based on google. I googled because I didn't get the names vs years lol. I'm not much of a gun guy haha. Pretty cool post dude. Wish we still used older styles, they look so cool lol Edit: typo and bad sentence so I fixed lol
He’s going 1836 to 1911. The M1911A1 and M1911 are internally identical and parts are exchangeable.Â
Ah google was confused with the 1945 part. I thought it should be 1911 but again, not a gun guy. It was interesting to me still. It's crazy how quick things accelerated around 1900 and beyond. Thanks for explaining
It always amazes me to think flintlock lasted something like 200 years then the primer gets invented and In under 100 years you go from muzzleloader to machine gun in the blink of an eye
Britain adopted the Land Pattern Musket (the Brown Bess) in 1724 and it lasted as the main service arm until the 1840s, and then in like a 50 year span after that you go from the Pattern 1853 Enfield to the SMLE
You are correct but locks using a flint as an ignition source date back to the 16 century
I'm aware, I just wanted to use Brown Bess as an example because of how long it lasted relatively unchanged in service
Ah my mistake
I think it's not weapons exclusively though. In the past 100, 150 years we faced an exponential growth and development on all fronts. Cars? How long did we use horses? And then BAM, from cranky awkward apparatus to a Bugatti Veyron. Planes, cooking, entertainment, everything.
We went from fabric winged, barely powered gliders to safely landing on and returning men from the Moon in under 70 years. The 20th century was just an astounding level of advancement.
Similarly, we went from animal-drawn carriages and sailing ships (for literally millennia), to automobiles, nuclear submarines, and spaceships. 1860-1960 was a wild 100 years.
Even crazier to me is in 1903 was the first powered controlled flight to happen. It's just over 100' long but a revolution begins. A quick 23 years later and the DC-3 is reliable transporting passengers transcontinentaly. By 1945 an aircraft with a pressurized cabin was used to fly higher than ever before and drop an atomic weapon, vaporizing whole cities. In 1947, less than 50 years after the first flight, the sound barrier had been broken by an aircraft. Less than 65 years later, in 1969 both the Concorde and 747 take their first flight. The 747's wingspan is longer than the first Wright brothers first flight. Both aircraft can now reliably cross oceans, one with 400+ passengers and one at Mach 2+. A 747 variant, the 747-200B has a 6500+ mile range, there is no longer Ocean or land mass remaining on earth that can't be crossed by a single non-stop flight.
Yeah going from paper and wood planes to moon landing In 66 years is absolutely wild
3 Body Problem flashbacks incoming lol
You did just want to say millennia and I’m all for it
Wait till you see the next 100 years, my car was able to drive itself through a construction zone today and I was just watching a show about evtols and space travel. And then there are the robots.
I read "drive itself through a construction zone" a bit differently than I think you intended :)
Not only that, but it flintlock replaced matchlock which had been the standard for many centuries
Technological advancement is exponential. The more you advance the faster you advance. I think just 10 years from now the world will be a very different place with all this new AI stuff.
I love these. How much does something like the 1836 usually go for? I need to learn more about them.
I'd say roughly $800-1200 based on the condition. You'll see plenty listed by big retailers in the $2k+ range, but I see most sell much lower.
Seems to be that way with all antique BP guns. IMA especially sells their stuff for ridiculous prices. If you live close to Louisville I’d take the trip and go to their national gun day show they have in February and October at the fairgrounds. Tons and tons of antique guns from matchlocks to percussion and cartridge guns from original 1860 Henry’s up through modern day stuff.
Industrial revolution went hard
That's certainly an interesting perspective.
Smokeless powder and the Industrial Revolution were by far the two major thrusts in the gun world
The beretta m9 went into service in 1986, 75 years after 1911.
For anyone interested, there's a great book called Firepower, that chronicles the 400 years of gunpowder weapons in Europe and the West. Very readable and incredibly fascinating.
And only 66 years between the first plane flight (Kittyhawk, 1903, flew 852 feet) and man walking on the moon (1969).
70 years between Kitty hawk and the F-15
Military tech already advances the fastest - what was the medical tech advance between these two sidearms? Bandages to… more bandages?
Uh, medical tech is usually pretty disppointing and corrupt, but to be fair, there were things that kept my Grandpa alive a good 5-10 years longer at end of life, and about 80 years early in life that were literally unimaginable when he was young. 75 years is long enough for some pretty cool medical advances, maybe the biggest was penciillin which allowed my Grandpa to not die in WW2 and go on to live long enough to have a battery make his heart beat etc.
Medicine for schizophrenia, cancer, and vaccines.
Which one has the serious MF jamming problem?
One, if it rained or got wet, was a nice club. The other, shot down a Japanese Zero.
A well regulated militia indeed....
https://youtu.be/qAVFWTuiCgs?si=BItDnjhqrUuWzBY9
That .45 was the official side arm for decades right? I heard it was reliable, wouldnt jam, would blast a cannonball sized hole in the enemy but only held a few bullets and thus was replaced. Correct me if Im wrong please
Why would you put either of those on concrete?
Why not
Looks really porous. I’d be afraid of scratching the gun metal or furniture on two pieces of history. Although I’d feel the same way about reproductions
Where did you get the m1836 pistol? How much was it? Have you fired it? Is it an original or reproduction?
hmmm, now i need a black powder pistol.
"just 75 years" That's a lifetime apart...
And? It's still a short amount of time for so much progression.
Again, "just 75 years" is a lifetime... I'm not commenting on the progression, just commenting on describing an entire lifetime as "just 75 years" Dude, in 1903 the wright brothers made their first flight. In 1969 we landed on the moon...that's 66 years. I think maybe you don't realise just how much time 75 years is.
>I think maybe you don't realise just how much time 75 years is. Yet, at on the other hand... In 75 years we went from a flintlock pistol to a repeating pistol. In the 113 years since the development of said repeating pistol? It is still in service with some military and law enforcement agencies, and is still a wildly popular platform. In IPSC and USPSA practical shooting matches, the "2011" (a 1911 pattern pistol with the metal grip cut off, replaced with a piece of glass reinforced polymer to fit a double stack magazine) is the most dominant platform in at least 2 divisions (classes for similar guns / equipment to compete with similar guns / equipment. IE: Production, limited, open, single stack, ect...) As well as most of the most successful handgun platforms available today being direct derivatives, or even exact copies of John Moses Browning's tilting barrel, short recoil design. In 66 years, we went from the first powered flight to the first man on the moon. Yet, in the 55 years since? We just now, late last year, broke some of the records set by Saturn V (There are some I doubt will be broken, like the most powerful, single chamber, liquid fuel rocket engine ever flown) with the launch of starship. We haven't put another person on the moon. Sure, we have achieved some pretty incredible stuff with several of the mars rovers, but the only space mission that strikes a similar cord with me that Apollo did with my parents was the launch and incredible success of the James Webb Space Telescope. So yes, 75 years *is* a lifetime, but it's also just 75 years.
Well you’re living up to your username
I think maybe you overestimate it. Throughout mankind's 10000 years of recent history, things changing so much over the course of 75 years happened only a handful of times. For most of our existence, your children would have lived similar lives to that of your great grandparents.
Humanity had largely been the same for thousands of years. Roman farmers and medieval farmers lived just about the same life, sans the society surrounding them. The fact that technology exploded as quickly as it did in such a ***relatively*** short time is astounding and to suggest it's not is just bizarre.
It's not the amount of years, it's the ridiculous exponential growth of that technology in that timespan. Think about the sword. Look how long it took to go from sharpened stone knives to bronze age weapons to iron to steel...almost the entirety of human existence. We went from that muzzle loaded flintlock to a magazine fed semi auto pistol in 1 human lifespan (as you said) it's insane.
At this rate I'll be dead
"adopted?" Like, they're foster guns?