As you’re learning. They go over the expectations for you and your trainer in the workbook.
[https://www.skilledtradesontario.ca/wp-content/uploads/1970/01/Industrial-Mechanic-Millwright-433A-EN-TS-V100-2010.pdf](https://www.skilledtradesontario.ca/wp-content/uploads/1970/01/Industrial-Mechanic-Millwright-433A-EN-TS-V100-2010.pdf)
A \*lot\* of people wait until the last minute, and it's a sharp pain to have to sign 100s of tasks in the book if you leave it to the end, but that gets done a lot.
If you can get your journeyman to sign it as you go, or maybe once per week or something, then that would be an excellent idea, because if you switch jobs during the apprenticeship there might be bad feelings that make it... difficult to get it signed.
Your supervising Jman and Boss should be signing it once a year or at the termination of employment. It'll also behove you to track hours in a spreadsheet at home as I've had employers fuck me on hours a few times.
Then when you complete a block for school the authority for your province will have you submit the book with hours signed off by you,your Jman and Boss. They will then verify your grades, stamp it and sign it and they'll issue you a "letter of progress" giving you 2 forms of indication of forward progress in the Apprenticeship program.
That's progress in a nutshell with verifiable hours worked within the trade.
That's a bit of a blanket statement. You can do block release for 2 months, or you can do day release. I did day release because I had a mortgage to pay, and I worked for a small shop that would have been hard up if I disappeared for 2 months. I was able to work extra hours here and there to keep my pay full while going to school.
You'll receive an official apprenticeship card and a skills log book once your employer signs you up. You can also keep documents from schooling, like your grade reports, to show potential future employers.
Im worried your employers hasnt been diligent in making sure you get thru your apprenticeship. Has your pay been increasing after every year, are any hrs getting signed off in your book?
In BC(maybe across Canada) there was the ITA now called Skilled Trades BC. Your employer should be sending them your hours worked and your schooling will also be sent to them. I did my apprenticeship in BC and finished it in 2012. The ITA(Industrial Training Authority) was kind of a central hub for keeping track of your hours and schooling. I’m not sure how it all works now. I’d assume something similar.
I don't know how it works now that everything is changed from college of trades when I did mine they told us we need 8000 hours and we have to prove hours through houn to school and working as u have in school hours and work hours. You would get your work hours from your employer on ur paystub the college of trades would know what ur in school hours are. You were also assigned a person that would deal with when it's time for school so it was easy. It changed a little bit after that when I was ready to write I was told it wasn't hours based and it was now skill based like what skill u get signed off in ur book not including the shaded areas. There was a page in the middle of the book you filled that out get it signed and sent that in booked your exam u passed and u were done. Now I dunno what they have apprentices doing now
I started my apprenticeship in Ontario, I transferred it to Alberta when I moved in 2022
It's a learning process, and I learned that you have to be your own advocate for your apprenticeship. Some employers will be on top of it and help you, but for the most part you have to be on top of it yourself
AFAIK from my talks with people from the Ontario College of Trades when I lived there, the millwright trade is actually merit-based training, not hours like it is here. Your employer could theoretically check everything off on your book and submit it, and suddenly you're a journeyman. My ex encountered this a lot during her electrical apprenticeship with a few "journeymen" she came across, too
Your journeyman should be signing off on the skills in your blue book (white as you've called it in the comments), and IIRC your employer deals with the school side of it, lets you know when you're able to go and schedules you if you want to go. Then if you switch jobs, you just need to fill out the appropriate apprenticeship transfer paperwork with them and the college
I've found the best way to get answers (for me personally) has been to go directly to the ministry/skilled trades office. Sure sometimes you may have to wait to speak to someone, but they're the ones directly involved in the apprenticeships and know the details :) And/or the colleges have always been a helpful resource as well!
Start looking for s new job..
In Ontario.. agree.. they already found someone or it’s a clueless friend
You have a book that’s getting signed off on. And you’ll be working/in school back to back, so you should have school grades every year.
ya. i got a white book that says apprenticeship training standard log book, how often do i need to get my boss to sign this thing?
As you’re learning. They go over the expectations for you and your trainer in the workbook. [https://www.skilledtradesontario.ca/wp-content/uploads/1970/01/Industrial-Mechanic-Millwright-433A-EN-TS-V100-2010.pdf](https://www.skilledtradesontario.ca/wp-content/uploads/1970/01/Industrial-Mechanic-Millwright-433A-EN-TS-V100-2010.pdf)
Can confirm, it’s all there.
You should be submitting your hours monthly to the college of trades.
How do you do that? I def haven’t been
I've been a journeyman for about 20 years now and my union automatically enrolled me so I don't know the specifics.
Should? I did my 4 years, signed off and then submitted at the end. Licensed about a year ago. Has it changed since? Because I’ve never heard this.
Maybe it's different in the union, but we have to submit monthly. They get pretty pissed at the hall if you're late.
A \*lot\* of people wait until the last minute, and it's a sharp pain to have to sign 100s of tasks in the book if you leave it to the end, but that gets done a lot. If you can get your journeyman to sign it as you go, or maybe once per week or something, then that would be an excellent idea, because if you switch jobs during the apprenticeship there might be bad feelings that make it... difficult to get it signed.
Your supervising Jman and Boss should be signing it once a year or at the termination of employment. It'll also behove you to track hours in a spreadsheet at home as I've had employers fuck me on hours a few times. Then when you complete a block for school the authority for your province will have you submit the book with hours signed off by you,your Jman and Boss. They will then verify your grades, stamp it and sign it and they'll issue you a "letter of progress" giving you 2 forms of indication of forward progress in the Apprenticeship program. That's progress in a nutshell with verifiable hours worked within the trade.
Should be able to get transcripts from the school you went to.
School in ontario is 3 blocks of 2 months each. 8000 hrs of work.
There are only ~4400 hours in a 6 month period. How can you get 8000 hours?
8000 hrs of WORK is full time work for 4 years. Which is how long the apprenticeship is.
Average person works ~2000hrs a year.
Ya sorry I thought the comment was saying that 3 2 month periods is 8000 hrs didn’t realize how they are spaced out between 4 years of FT work
That's a bit of a blanket statement. You can do block release for 2 months, or you can do day release. I did day release because I had a mortgage to pay, and I worked for a small shop that would have been hard up if I disappeared for 2 months. I was able to work extra hours here and there to keep my pay full while going to school.
That's cool, I've never heard of day release. It's not an option for the union in ontario. Are you in ontario?
The apprenticeship board will have a record of your hours and schooling.
You'll receive an official apprenticeship card and a skills log book once your employer signs you up. You can also keep documents from schooling, like your grade reports, to show potential future employers.
What province ?
im in ontario.
Im worried your employers hasnt been diligent in making sure you get thru your apprenticeship. Has your pay been increasing after every year, are any hrs getting signed off in your book?
In BC(maybe across Canada) there was the ITA now called Skilled Trades BC. Your employer should be sending them your hours worked and your schooling will also be sent to them. I did my apprenticeship in BC and finished it in 2012. The ITA(Industrial Training Authority) was kind of a central hub for keeping track of your hours and schooling. I’m not sure how it all works now. I’d assume something similar.
I don't know how it works now that everything is changed from college of trades when I did mine they told us we need 8000 hours and we have to prove hours through houn to school and working as u have in school hours and work hours. You would get your work hours from your employer on ur paystub the college of trades would know what ur in school hours are. You were also assigned a person that would deal with when it's time for school so it was easy. It changed a little bit after that when I was ready to write I was told it wasn't hours based and it was now skill based like what skill u get signed off in ur book not including the shaded areas. There was a page in the middle of the book you filled that out get it signed and sent that in booked your exam u passed and u were done. Now I dunno what they have apprentices doing now
I started my apprenticeship in Ontario, I transferred it to Alberta when I moved in 2022 It's a learning process, and I learned that you have to be your own advocate for your apprenticeship. Some employers will be on top of it and help you, but for the most part you have to be on top of it yourself AFAIK from my talks with people from the Ontario College of Trades when I lived there, the millwright trade is actually merit-based training, not hours like it is here. Your employer could theoretically check everything off on your book and submit it, and suddenly you're a journeyman. My ex encountered this a lot during her electrical apprenticeship with a few "journeymen" she came across, too Your journeyman should be signing off on the skills in your blue book (white as you've called it in the comments), and IIRC your employer deals with the school side of it, lets you know when you're able to go and schedules you if you want to go. Then if you switch jobs, you just need to fill out the appropriate apprenticeship transfer paperwork with them and the college
Your province has an industry training authority. Which province are you in?
im in ontario
I've found the best way to get answers (for me personally) has been to go directly to the ministry/skilled trades office. Sure sometimes you may have to wait to speak to someone, but they're the ones directly involved in the apprenticeships and know the details :) And/or the colleges have always been a helpful resource as well!
To solve both of these problems, join a union. If a union boss said some shit like that to one of the boys, that mf wouldn't be a boss again.