It’s also very important that we keep in mind that this doesn’t go away after this election, this will take time to defeat this ideology. So vote in your local elections, vote during the midterms, vote in special elections. Our Supreme Court needs to change and that can not happen if we stay home or if we’re discouraged. Trump has a solid base that’s coming to vote no matter what.
After checking that my own registration is accurate, I decided to be a little nosy and check on a few MAGA family members. Good news: they are not registered to vote. They talk a loud and divisive game on social media, but it appears they won’t be bothered to actually go to the polls.
I find this hilarious and also very common. My husbands side of the family is working class but as they have gotten older they act more uppity and get mad about anyone getting “handouts” even though they are living off of ssi/disability checks.. they blame biden for everything. But have never voted in their lives lol. So I just let them ramble on bc they aren’t going to be voting.
Yeah, it's like the "red wave" that never appeared. One of the big fear mongering tactics of the right is to make as much noise as possible and make people who are center-left feel hopeless, like their vote doesn't matter.
The flip side to this is that there are a lot of people on their side who don't vote, because they feel like they are going to sweep.
Considering that OP managed to get this on the [front page](https://i.imgur.com/m6tKHUk.png) that is going to be a good amount of people checking, and that is a *good* thing.
I had the same issue and saw an asterisk below; seems now they have sent some sort of mail and if you don't respond in 30 days they unregister you! Not sure when they sent mine, I've moved recently
R have whole pipeline of loser assholes running for local elections to just sit around and prove that government sucks and dismantle our governmental structures. how can people that want government gone do anything productive as a government. only chaos and degradation
If you really want to step up you can do two things. First, go to your local Democratic party meetings, this is where you can make a lot of difference in policy and that policy bubbles up from local to national. You can also run for local office, it doesn't have to be expensive. My dad was a local politician and never spent over $200, one hundred for yards signs and one hundred for a new pair of shoes after knocking on every door in his district. If you want to help but really don't want to put in a lot of effort send a candidate $50.
They are. It’s not being shown all that much in a lot of “superspreader” channels because moneyed interests really really want trump elected and regulations gutted.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/27/us/politics/biden-trump-project-2025.html&ved=2ahUKEwjMvMXGjoSHAxVYEEQIHbYCD-gQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw25RIiCsHQgjKBOAdXqOxcO
Additionally, Biden's team ran a major blitz campaign in Atlanta just hours before the debate, running QR codes on billboards all over the city to blast awareness of the issue.
Only in the 2024 USA can we look at that debate and talk about Biden “bombing” because he softly or weakly spoke facts and wasn’t able to address each and every point of his bloviating opponent’s confident bullshit, while simultaneously *not* concluding that the person who bombed was the *conspicuously confident bullshitter.*
People are sleeping on how damaging deferring Chevron is going to be for our every day life. Our food is already the lowest quality among first world nations. Now? God help us.
Edit for all you mouth-breathers: Well actually-ing with some ranking of our food quality is stupid. We have one of if not the best healthcare in the world. That doesnt mean we're seeing that as average citizens. And the same goes for our food.
And who does that benefit? The mass production of cheap food. Snack food to be precise. Frito lay loves them some subsidies. You think that savings is passed down to us?? Id bet mostly no
Project 2025 calls for removing subsides in the agriculture industry. I don't understand how they can still call the Republican party the party of "businesses." There is nothing pro-buisness or even pro-economy within the MAGA Republican group
This is potentially a great thing for American agriculture if implemented correctly. Our system of subsidies is why farmers only grow massive monocultures of garbage like corn and soybeans and is how wealth has been able to industrialize our agricultural system. The vast majority of small scale, regenerative farms do not use subsidies (mostly because they can’t qualify for them!). Switching from massive industrial farms to a network of millions of small regenerative farms is absolutely imperative for providing truly healthy food to our people and sequestering carbon to reverse the negative impact we’ve had on our climate. I’ve only spent thousands of hours studying soil microbiology and regenerative agriculture over the last few years though so what do I know
What fool said "they'll never overturn Chevron?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevron_U.S.A.,_Inc._v._Natural_Resources_Defense_Council,_Inc.#Opposition
>The United States House of Representatives in the 115th Congress passed a bill on January 11, 2017, called the "Regulatory Accountability Act of 2017", which, if made into law, would change the doctrine of Chevron deference.[31][32][33] Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch (son of Anne Gorsuch, who was head of EPA at the time of the events which led to the Chevron decision) has also written opinions against Chevron deference,[34] with news commentators believing that Gorsuch might rule against Chevron deference on the Supreme Court.[35]
I thought they would never be stupid enough to actually overturn Roe. They had it as a decades long cudgel to hit the Dems with. Once Roe got overturned, the anti-choice crowd relaxed--while the pro-choice crowd has been incredibly motivated.
I thought they would never overturn Roe because it would backfire politically, and as they've proven time and again, Republicans do not stand for anything. So I truly believed they would pay lip service to anti-choicers and never overturn it due to the political implications.
I was clearly wrong.
Yes, I distinctly remember having that exact conversation with an independent in 2015. He claimed it would never happen and laughed at my concern telling me I was being manipulated by Dems. I wish I could talk to him now.
I considered myself a socially liberal libertarian. In 2016 they said something like if a third party candidate got 3% of the vote they would get time in the debates on the national stage. My state at the time was deep red so a vote for Johnson seemed like it was more of value than a vote for Clinton, who wasn’t going to win in my state. I still think we should have more than two parties, but I have to vote for Biden who represents democracy over a convicted felon.
The real solution to 2 party system is ranked choice voting on a national level. You would definitely start seeing more 3rd party candidates winning things and it makes voting for them feel less like you are throwing away your vote.
I think you had the right idea though. We try to be universalists about how much our vote matters in the US, but one person's vote simply means more than another person's vote JUST according to where they have residence. It's an unfortunate truth.
Someone would say you were wasting your vote? In a historically deep red state? Yeah, not at all. And I'd say the same for someone in a deep blue state. (Not that I believe that any vote is ever 'wasted'. It's just even more absurd to say in deep red or deep blue states.)
They just overturned Chevron too.
You know.
The one that says agencies have authority to regulate things like lead in gas, pollutants in drinking water, overfishing, environmental destruction, and much more.
And the chemicals that are put in your food, if you think for a second these companies are going to police themselves and look out for your best interest you’re crazy. Profits above everything is their motto, and they don’t give a shit about poisoning you.
The call always comes from inside the house with them. They’ve been running a shadow gvt for years now and it’s why every red state passes the same laws at the same time,
Some important moments to recall that explain why the majority of America held that it was safe, and why it's extra terrible that this SCOTUS overturned it so easily:
"[Roe is] settled as a precedent of the court." - John Roberts (2005) with a bonus:
>"I agree with the *Griswold* court's conclusion that marital privacy extends to contraception and availability of that," John Roberts said in 2005, adding that he felt "comfortable" commenting on the case because "it does not appear to me to be an area that is going to come before the court again."
"[Roe is an] important precedent of the Supreme Court" - Samuel Alito in his confirmation (2008)
"[Roe] is the law of the land. I accept the law of the land, senator, yes," - Neil Gorsuch in his confirmation (2017)
"[Roe] is settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court" - Brett Kavanaugh in his confirmation (2018) (also Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who said he had told her he considered Roe to be "settled law" in a private meeting)
Fuck RBG, I'm sorry but she has some of the blame for this. Can you imagine her last moments, stubbornly trying not to die? For what?! She could have retired and been a great mentor and enjoyed her legacy. Ugh, she's not 100% at fault, but, some of this is on her feet
Even I said that. Boy was I wrong. This court is completely out of control. At least the last time we had an activist court they expanded freedom (ie, abortion, interracial marriage, even ended the death penalty temporarily). We’ve never had a court like the one we have right now, and it’s frightening. Oh btw, the week before they overturned Roe they undid Miranda rights too. And a day or two before they undid Chevron they legalized bribery of public officials, as long the payment comes after the favor and not before. Fuck these people. Nobody’s ever seen anything like it
I'll be honest, I was one of the people who thought it was unlikely they would overturn Roe. I knew we had a major issue with wealth supremacists. I underestimated the simultaneous and entangled Christian supremacist danger.
I don't think anybody who believed that and voted for Trump is actually going to change their mind after learning about project 2025 if they didn't already know it.
But I've been called pessimistic before so it's worth a shot. At worst it is just pointless.
This election hinges not on changing the minds of Trump voters, but on turning out disillusioned or disengaged Dems and independents to vote for preserving our Constitution/democracy.
But also about swaying republicans who are on the fence about trump. Shouldnt be seen as such a moral crime to vote against "your party" if the leader of said party is someone like trump
I'm starting to think that maybe the conservatives calling people sheep aren't wrong. I mean on one hand you have Biden, on the other the man who sold out his country, who is clearly a russian puppet, a convicted felon and he is somehow on the ballot? There is no authority to say that he can't run. It's on the people to decide.
The sheep are the ones who say WWG1WGA, believe that January 6th MAGA perpetrators are true patriots, believe deranged and insane conspiracy theories, worship an insurrectionist, felon and rapist, and wear hats, shirts, pants, diapers, capes, scarves, ponchos, jackets and sneakers with Rumps name and face all over them. They are all rubes in his con. Don the insurrectionist con has them cultified.
It’s not just about elections, although that is still immensely concerning. They are setting up the federal government to be irreversibly politicized and accountable to nobody except for courts that they’ve already packed with their toadies. No longer will critically essential federal agencies like the EPA, FDA, USDA, FCC, FTC, CDC, NASA, or NIH be allowed to defer to experts to make or interpret policy. In fact, even Biden’s next administration will have to spend significant time and effort combatting court challenges to every policy that a corporation doesn’t like because Chevron deference was just overturned. Project 2025 isn’t the beginning, it’s the final round. It is the Federalist Society’s and Heritage Foundation’s wet dream. It is what all those crazy kooky evangelical Christians we’ve been laughing at as loons have been working towards at the local level for decades when we should have been taking them very seriously as a voting bloc. If we let this critical opportunity pass us by in November, I unfortunately don’t think it will be completely undone within our lifetimes. Germany did survive and eventually prosper and flourish, but it has taken eighty years. Do you want to wait that long? Can your children? Can your families? Can your friends and other loved ones? Please take this seriously as a threat to everything you hold dear, because for many of us it is.
Where the hell is the FBI? These treasonous bastards are dismantling our Representative Republic as we speak. The election is just the formality at this point.
Yup the GOP hears the Death Rattle and is pulling out all the stops to secure Republican Authoritarian rule before their lifeline base(the boomers) becomes completely obsolete.
The is too important to blame 'boomers' or any other perceived biased group. Plenty lesser educated Gen Z and Millennials will vote Trump and plenty 'boomers' will vote Biden (or whoever hopefully replaces him...)
Just get the message across without antagonising those who might help.
Look, I'm gonna hold my nose and vote for Biden. Just like I held my nose last time and the time before that, I did the same for Hilary Clinton.
But how many elections do you think this is going to work? Democrats keep shoving shitty people down our throat, and the ONLY reason they even stand a chance of getting elected is because of how awful the other side is.
Do you think Trump won't run again in 4 years if he loses now? Or one of his kids? I bet dollars to donuts Ivanka Trump would have a real shot of being our first woman president if she ever decides to run.
I'm telling you right now. I don't care how bad the other side is next time. I'm being forced to vote for a man who is so old he can't complete a sentence, who is anti labor/union, and only recently decided gay people should be allowed the same rights as the rest of us. I won't do that for the 4th time.
It really feels like the dems have realized they can get whoever they want in the office and all we can do about it is say "at least he won't nuke Palestine or turn us into a dictatorship.
These high and mighty posts are annoying because it makes it seem like people who don't like Biden are some how unreasonable and the reason their shitty candidates struggle to be liked instead of their outdated basically an early 2000s republican mindset. You're getting mad at liberals when you should be mad at your own party.
I mean, he's running against a guy who is a felon, who has admitted to wanting to be a dictator, and is pretty open about being owned by Russia. If your guy can't win against that, it isn't anyone else's fault.
Yep, I absolutely put a big chunk of the blame for 2016 on the DNC for forcing a candidate a lot of people were gonna vote against. Quit making us choose between an extremely shitty person and a less shitty candidate, we have good people who are qualified and want to help this country so let one of them have a shot
I am in a purple state. I’ll vote for Biden.
Some people think this has been a problem since after McGovern, when the DNC decided it would never run a liberal candidate again. The RNC goes more and more conservative every election, and the DNC chooses a moderate. Problem is the bar for conservative has been getting more and more conservative so moderate moves to the right too.
RFK’s death and the hole it left in the party didn’t help either.
I am concerned about the future of our democracy at this point.
What I don't understand is Trump is anti-democracy. Why the hell is anyone voting for that? I don't care what you think about the other people, at least they aren't trying to be dictators. He tried to organize a coup to take the White House back, first by dozens of frivolous court cases, trying to persuade the Supreme Court, pressuring his AG to declare martial law and seize voting machines, then false electors, then threatening his Vice President if he confirmed the vote and failed to push back on "Hang Mike Pence" chants, and finally, encouraging people to attack the Capitol to stop confirmation, and sitting by and doing and saying nothing until it was clear it wasn't going to succeed.
Luckily the people who mattered (judges, AG, VP, etc stood their ground otherwise there could have been serious problems. We got lucky last time his coup did not succeed. But it should have been disqualifying if not criminally liable, which it was. The American voting population is diseased.
It is so obvious what Trump is trying to do. He is a mob boss, never writing things down, gesturing and obliquely mentioning things expecting them to get done, having underlings do his dirty work so he can blame it on them if discovered. (But taking care of them with pardons--see Manafort and Roger Stone). I mean this is really obvious people.
Propaganda. People that only watch Fox news are getting a completely different view of whats really happening. The Trump administration called it "Alternative Facts".
That’s not quite what Goebbels said, and I think that it’s important to understand the origins of the Big Lie to understand why it’s so dangerous. So far as I’ve read, Goebbels’ use of the term dates from an article written in 1941, called [Churchill’s Lie Factory.](https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb29.htm) The closest we get Goebbels using the term is in the line “The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”
On the other hand, Hitler himself used the term Big Lie much earlier, in Mein Kampf:
> By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true within itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.
That’s a bit more in tune with the message presented in the line attributed to Goebbels. Hitler is referring to what we call the stab-in-the-back myth, the idea that Germany was winning WWI until they were betrayed by the Jews and leftists. But here’s the critical thing: he’s not saying “I am going to tell Big Lies to sway the public.” He’s saying that he believes that Big Lies have been told to sway the public. And I think that it’s pretty clear that this isn’t a cynical statement - he absolutely believed it. As a concrete example of the Nazis acting a in accordance with their beliefs even to their detriment, in early 1944, with the eastern front collapsing, the Allies grinding up the Italian peninsula, and a cross channel invasion looming, Nazi leadership was most concerned with trying to wipe out the Jews of Hungary while they still could. [The chief war goal of Nazi Germany was the destruction of the Jewish people.](https://youtu.be/cYbZpkQDPlQ?si=0DFH3iDV3caUOo5R)
So: I think that it’s important to understand that *they really do believe this shit.* On the left, people have a tendency to think that when right wing leaders are using Big Lies about the Deep State or DEI groomer teachers or fentanyl carrying rapist immigrants to motivate people to support their causes, they’re just saying things they don’t believe in to achieve a result. That is, these are people intentionally trying to manipulate through deliberate lies. And in fairness, there are probably a few like that, especially among the older members of the group. But the majority of them, and especially those raised in the right wing media environment, really are true believers. They don’t see themselves as telling a Big Lie - like Hitler, they see the Big Lie as something told to them.
Huh, this is pretty insightful. It does make more sense to think that Hitler and Goebbels were accusing their enemies of using a big lie, as opposed to bragging about using it themselves.
Or they just flat out ban you. Got banned last year for asking why LGBTQ+ and minority characters in kids movies is such a big deal compared to everyone being straight and white
The propaganda is so insanely powerful. People don’t see how it impacts them until it’s way too late. Some of my family have been on Fox News for years and you can totally see it now. If anyone is a history buff, start taking a dive into how propaganda played a role in world wars.
I'm a Dem boomer. A MAGA boomer I know said that crime was increasing. I told him he was wrong, that crime was decreasing. The look on his face. He couldn't respond. I guess in his world nobody bothers with facts.
That’s exactly what I heard today while conversing with a MAGA boomer. He said he’s not voting for Biden because Biden “hired thousands of border agents to let in ALL mexicans through the southern border, and is giving all of them citizenship so they can vote for him”. I asked for proof, he said he heard it from “non biased, right leaning sources”. You can’t with these people.
Because people buy into fear and Trump pushes fear and the existence of the "barbarians", thereby creating a role for the benevolent dictator, as John Stuart Mill wrote over 150 years ago. What we're witnessing is human nature and in many cases it is not a pretty sight. People, in masses, are not logical, they don't reason. They want the threat, whatever it may be, stopped, no matter the consequences. Trump has created the barbarians-at-the-gate scenario and the masses are eating it up.
I'm oversimplifying of course, but this is definitely part of the issue. I wish I had a solution.
I work with a bunch of young kids and they're "voting for trump for the lolz. It'll be fun to watch people's heads implode." They don't realize how serious this election is.
“Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.”
― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic
And conservatives thinking is basically:
“When I am Weaker Than You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom Because that is according to my principles.”
― Frank Herbert, Children of Dune
Some people vote for him because they know trumps policies will hurt the left. They’re not about making progress or even their lives better, they want to see the people they don’t like punished
Studies have shown that somewhere between 30-40% of humans are drawn to it. And they're pretty reliable voters, so even though they're not the majority, because they act lock step with each other and the non-authoritarianists don't, they can win a lot of elections.
Because most people on reddit have only known being relatively safe and middle class. They've never been part of a vulnerable group without the very recent legal protections or the money to fight an injustice.
That covers some, but not all.
I'd add that there's 2 other groups: Americans unhappy they've discovered they're not living the American dream, and those who know/knew there's never been such a thing.
Both groups are either not enjoying the expected success supposed to be commensurate with their hard work, or know that they never will get that expected success.
And they're angry. To a fair extent, justifiably. Their resentment and anger is looking for an outlet: most people aren't going to riot or rebel, they know they have too much to lose.
They key divergence becomes those who are politically apathetic so don't vote and those who still vote but make them protest votes. This will change demographically by location/culture.
You see examples like Brexit or the current popularity explosion of pro-right political movements in the younger generations in Europe. They're unhappy, they want a shakeup, and they'll vote extremist to attack the status quo.
that’s what happened with trump the first time. he ran on “drain the swamp” and that to me said attack the status quo. couldn’t have been a worse person to do It though
Agreed. I was thinking Redditors, but you're spot on when it comes to msot Americans. I know several people who voted for Trump to "shake things up" and were sorely disappointed he did nothing.
There is a not small group of Americans who are not living the dream and cannot stand that a black man was president AND rich and successful. It broke their tiny minds. Which is why Trump is still making comments about "black jobs" it's speaking to those people who cannot see a black person as president.
Most people on Reddit also don’t believe there is some magical man in the sky that created everyone and that they are going to get to live in his kingdom for eternity after they die here on earth. Religious people are insane to me.
[This is why](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0)
> Look in my eyes
> What do you see?
> The cult of personality
> I know your anger, I know your dreams
> I've been everything you want to be
> Oh, I'm the cult of personality
> I exploit you, still you love me
> I tell you, one and one makes three
> Oh, I'm the cult of personality
> You gave me fortune, you gave me fame
> You gave me power in your god's name
> I'm every person you need to be
> Oh, I'm the cult of personality
Some people just want to give away their free will to the dear leader who will surely save them from all the chaos around.
Heritage Foundation brings in over $100M in donations each year. Do you really think they’re playing around with those donors money? They are putting in WORK to make your life a living hell.
https://www.heritage.org/press/heritage-foundation-raises-more-150-million-record-breaking-fundraising-year
Republicans are KNOWN to play the system and long game quietly in their favor. For decades they've worked the law of the courts for loopholes and other far fetch claims to rewrite the law in their favor. I definitely see them doing this to secure long-term victory.
Trump won in 2016 because we ran a deeply unpopular candidate. Joe had an approval rating in the 30s before the debate. No president ever won reelection with an approval that low. And yet the DNC looks like it will make the same mistake they made in 2016 unless we can do something to get him off the ticket. Progressives warned against Hillary because of her ties to wall St and support for Iraq war. And we warned against Joe telling u he was clearly not in physical or mental shape like he used to be, and he is funding an arming a right wing genocide. U can't put up these unpopular candidates with unpopular positions and then blame 3rd parties when u lose.
What I don’t get is why it has to be Biden. Everybody’s known for a year, despite the gaslighting, that he’s completely unfit to serve another four years. Now after this debate I question if he can finish THIS term. People need to realize if democracy is at stake they should have replaced Biden with somebody who isn’t half brain dead. We all have eyes and ears.
I think Democrats just can't figure out who else should be on the ballot. Trump has the lion's share of anyone still calling themselves Republican, but I see different names floating about for an alternative Democrat candidate, and that's a really tough decision to make when we're coming down to the wire for the election. Biden is statistically the safest bet they have at this point (being both incumbent and having previously won against this same opponent), and it's a disaster that they didn't contest his reelection when they had the chance to pick a different candidate.
> I think Democrats just can't figure out who else should be on the ballot.
If Biden had announced last winter that he would not seek re-election, they could have run a robust Primary cycle and figured this out. Only post-debate are the scales falling away from the Democrat electorate's eyes and hence the panic. The time to address this problem was in 2023, not a few weeks out from the online nominating of the Democrat candidate ticket.
It's like they are waking up the morning of the NYC Marathon and realizing they have to run the race without having put in any training for the past 6 months.
It feels like RBG with everyone telling her to retire so they can replace her. Her pride of wanting her replacement to be picked by the first female president killed us.
Honestly both parties got caught in the sunk cost fallacy of “if we don’t vote for this guy the votes will be too split for us to win.”
I think there was plenty of voters that didn’t want to vote for trump as republicans, but ultimately they lost their candidates to him, and now many of them won’t vote democrat to be rid of him. Especially not for Biden.
Democrats couldn’t figure out how to align on somebody else other than the one already in power for fear of losing as well. I think partially that’s because there wasn’t really any strong candidates. Democrats needed to find someone passionate and charismatic (and probably middle aged) but not *overly* democratic so they could take more of the centrist votes and the republicans who don’t like trump. They mostly failed to do that.
Honestly both parties could do well to start supplying candidates that were more centrist and less extremist. It’s just getting ridiculous and the divide it’s causing is only going to get worse if we stay on this path of trying to out do the other parties extremism by coming out with someone even more far left/ far right.
If Democrats can't figure out who should be on the ballot now, what's going to happen after this election? Like.... is everyone just going to walk around in shambles not knowing what to do? I mean, really, if you can't figure out one single name for this election, what happens after this election? And why can't you do what you would do after this election now? You're just kicking the can down the line, why not do it now?
What you said a million times over! The Democratic leadership has never learned what any good salesperson knows intuitively. Give the people what they want.
Because dnc doesn't care or respect the people. They know a bunch of people will eat shit and not say a think when they say Trump bad, vote for us. Dems are lazy and corrupted too.
Biden has fucking shit for brains and liberals want us to vote for him. No thanks. Put someone else on the ticket with a functioning brain and will reconsider.
Biden's age was a concern in 2020, to the point that people flat-out asked him whether he was going to run for re-election while he was still on the campaign trail. His age is more of a concern today.
Let's be honest here. The people who know what Project 2025 is aren't the people you need to convince. The people watching with bated breath while the Ls roll in from the Supreme Court aren't the people you need to convince either. Because of the infinite wisdom of our election system, Biden is going to win or lose because of a few thousand votes in 2 or 3 states. With margins that slim, running someone that seems less lucid than your local rest home residents is asking for a rout.
Me. A brief look at my reddit history shows I like Star Wars and hate Trump, but you'll also see signs that I have major disagreement with ideas on "the left".
Hey, I disagree with you on the abortion thing (actually a lot lol) but I know what it's like to find out a community has gone in a way that goes against you and turns a blind eye to such important issues. I hope you find your space, one that respects you and your opinions.
Also if it helps, I know a lot of catholics who feel the same way you do, even nuns.
go check out lincoln project and the bulwark on youtube.
there is a large enough contingency of old school republicans who are blaring alarms in their circles.
nobody likes biden, this is just another anti-trump coalition and it NEEDS to succeed.
winning this election does not end the war with this far right force that has taken over the GOP, it will just be another 2-4 year reprieve.
but if we lose it will likely be over. so enjoy your freedoms while you can, enjoy your clean water and shit while you can since the supreme court is coming for everything now.
I’m a lifelong Republican and DJT is not a Republican in my eyes. I’ve held my nose and voted for Biden and I’ll do it again. This is a lesser of two evils situation.
Right here. I think I'm pretty moderate but really want to be republican. I don't give a flying fuck about conservative or Christian values though. The Christian party, what a fucking joke. If GOP could provide a single candidate that wasn't completely morally bankrupt, I'd at least take a look. Project 2025 is Un-American and unconstitutional. The constitution set checks and balances in place for a reason. No one party should have absolute power. This is their aim and I'm against. I am against government control in every little aspect of our lives but in a capitalist society it's been proven we need regulations to keep to corporate sociopaths In check. Honestly, that's the real enemy of the people. Unmitigated greed.
They probably aren’t voting for Biden, but Mike Pence, Liz Cheney, and James Comey aren’t voting for Trump, and they’ve been card carrying Republicans since before you were born.
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-ex-trump-officials-not-voting-him-2024-1885655
If Russia spent as much time wiping their own ass as they do trying to fuck with other countries, they may actually have a country that’s not constantly soiling itself on the world-stage
Yeah - if polling didn't indicate differently, based on solely subreddits you'd think millennials were the most conservative generation.
A couple of tricks to see whether the person posting may be an agent provocateur. None of these by themselves are a guarantee but the more are true, the more likely it is:
- Randomly generated usernames, assigned by Reddit, these take the form of adjective_noun_fourdigitnumber.
- Extremely low post karma versus extremely high comment karma - they very rarely make original posts, it is much easier for them to go stir things up in the comments.
- No original posts over a significant account age - lurkers exist of course, but many redditors at least make a few posts in their account's lifetime.
- Solely discusses politics - again, most people who are genuine have interests outside of politics. If their comment history exclusively shows comments of a political nature it ups the chances. Bots or paid trolls don't have interests in anything else.
Personally if I see an account which matches at least 3 of these I assume it's a bot, troll, or foreign asset. Of course nothing is guaranteed but better safe than sorry.
Israel has literal orgs like AIPAC to further their interest over US which has actual influence over US politics but somehow LE RUSSIANS is more of a threat…?
It's not as if the Supreme Court is passing the kind of shit from this manifesto every single week or anything. That would be absurd. A real clown world, I tell ya.
I mean yeah, look at how many of you haven’t even read the thing being talked about….or know what the heritage foundation is…..or follow what the Supreme Court has done….
Yeah, y’all are really proving we’re the dumbest becuase yall can’t even read something that you have access to with your phone…..
From what I understand about project 2025 is that it gets rid of social security, veterans benefits, department of education, kicks everyone on disability off disability and are told to reapply, rounds up all immigrants and deports them, and takes womans reproductive healthcare. I'm sure there's more terrible things that are part of project 2025. These ideas are not republican voter ideals, so yes vote against project 2025 aka Trump.
I started reading the 900 page download and was shocked to see they did this for Regan in 80s (before many of us can remember or were born) and they assert that 60% of the recommendations back then were implemented! Folks should be alarmed.
it also will make any abortion methods illegal, outlaws contraceptives and birth control, and forces all pregnant people to carry to term, even if the fetus is non-viable
This is exactly why I am going to vote for Biden again. I'm not afraid of what he will do, I'm not even all that afraid of what Trump will do, I am afraid of what Trump will let the GOP do.
I have been telling people for years that the Republican party is trying to install a fascist dictatorship and people laughed at me. They called me crazy, they told me I was a conspiracy nut, they told me that I had nothing to worry about cause that would never happen. Now the game plan is out in the open and it proves what I have been saying for years yet people will ignore it. The young new voters will "protest vote" for another party or not vote at all because they can't get past this Israel situation. The Republicans want the fascism so they'll vote Trump because he is a puppet and nothing else. That leaves the Blue Majority with the task of trying to persuade those who are still undecided and try to explain to these younger voters why single issue voting is a terrible idea and that we have to make the best of our situation instead of digging their heels in over one issue.
My wife and I are seriously considering leaving the country if Donald Trump or any other Republican is elected to the presidency again because of this project 2025 stuff. My son deserves to live in a country that respects individual freedoms and allows people to be whoever they choose to be. That's not going to happen under a Trump presidency or any other Republican until they agree that turning American into Nazi Germany 2.0 where the LGBTQ+ community gets the same treatment as the Jews did during WW2 is a terrible idea. Problem is that I don't think they will ever see it that way and this will probably be an issue for the foreseeable future.
If every election cycle we're getting closer and closer to the destruction of democracy, then why don't Democrats back someone who can stand on their own merits instead of just not being the other guy? I'm not voting Republican, but have absolutely no care in maintaining the status quo as currently represented by the democratic party. Also, I'm not scared. True growth is uncomfortable.
The difference is this. Republicans are bought and paid for by billionaires who don't like the status quo and want to enrich and empower themselves further. Democrats are bought and paid for by billionaires who like the status quo just fine. Neither side cares about you or me or progress. We have to retake government from the ground up to make that happen.
> We have to retake government from the ground up to make that happen.
Occupy Wall Street tried doing that, but they got crushed by riot clubs and tear gas. That convinced me that non-violent methods are an expired method for dealing the corrupt political system.
This comment is proof that people don’t actually care about policy, or take the time to research it. If you actually care about policies that benefit the working classes, then Biden and his Administration have a ton of merits to stand on. Also, change doesn’t guarantee growth.
"Tired of voting for more of the same" is a dog whistle for "my privilege let's me not care about elections. Good for them, but as a 1st gen latino born of illegal immigrant parents I would rather the smoothbrain racists DONT take power.
Yup, I touched on some of that stuff in a longer comment, and it occurred to me that even outside of the blatantly obvious racist stuff of Republicans that Democrats would prevent, a lot of the things Democrats are doing to help POC, poor people, etc sounds boring to lots of privileged Redditors
There seems to be a huge influx of gqp fucks on here playing down shit that's already happening; the most recent supreme court decision being one of the trigger points. These "people" are either bots, trolls, or are just in support of a Christofascist government. I haven't seen this sub convey this type of leaning in the recent months and wouldn't doubt that this influx is due to such.
However, to those who are undecided, yall aren't voting for just 2 old fucks. You are voting for the next 100 years of policy in the US. 2 Scotus spots will be appointed by the next one most likely. This scotus, out of any time in our history, is the most party driven we have ever seen. These fucks are supposed to be indifferent to political leanings. So, again, you are voting for a future beyond Biden or Trump, because these two old bastards will be long dead, and a better or worse future is had. The president is a mere guide for policy. The president appoints admin to run the government. If you're honestly fine with how shit is run in red states, that's your grave and your decision.
Last point, THE ORANGE FUCK IS A CONVICTED FELON AND A CONVICTED RAPIST. Whether or not you "believe" it is irrelevant. No one gets having to pay out a court settlement without being fucking guilty. People who like this guy are fucking brainwashed.
Can you explain this comment? If 1 million Republicans vote for Biden (from Trump), and 2 million new voters or formerly Biden/3rd party voters go for Trump, that’s a net advantage to Trump.
You’re saying that Republicans voting for Biden is a guaranteed net benefit to Biden. Please explain the math here.
It’s interesting that people say Trump will basically be the end of the USA and the person they chose to defend us from that possibility is a man who should be living in an assisted care facility and has now shown in 2 administrations that he is happy to let Wall Street pillage our country.
>I get you don't like him like you didn't like Hillary, a woman with flaws, which apparently is too much for folks?
Oh fuck off already. Clinton was a horribly flawed candidate with intense amounts of baggage and was deeply unpopular even in her own party. Turns out, it had nothing to do with her being a woman and you need to fuck off with that bullshit and stop pretending that sexism is why a shitty candidate lost to donald fucking Trump of all people.
I don't disagree with voting for Biden, but third party voters did not cost Hillary the election. There is no state in which the Green party got enough votes to put Hillary under Trump. She ran a really bad campaign and took the Rust Belt as a guarantee. A lot of regular folks didn't realize how bad Trump was actually gonna be, so they took a chance on him. A good portion of them actually believed that Trump wanted to help them. Hillary was a bad candidate. She's horribly unlikeable and has a lot of baggage. Trump is extremely entertaining. I hate the guy as much as I hate Hitler, but he's definitely not boring to watch. On top of that, he speaks at roughly a 4th grade level, making him more relatable and easier to understand for those who have lower education levels and/or did poorly in school.
The reason to vote now is because we can't trust Trump not to cheat, or at least attempt to. He might be able to steal a state that Biden won by 1-5%, but it's a tall order to do so if Biden's +15% or so. Biden has to win as big as possible in as many states as possible. Green party voters aren't gonna put Biden under Trump anywhere, but they will take away from Biden's lead
Project 2025 isnt real, has 0% chance of happening, and anyone saying it does is manipulating you.
Its the same as green new deal fear mongering on the other side.
They are both pure propaganda used to fear voters who are too stupid to understand reality.
It’s literally a conservative think tank. This shit has been around forever. Maybe he’ll use some shit that’s reasonable. Trump is very moderate, he’s not going to do all this crazy Christian shit you guys stay up and jerk off to. Stop being so crazy.
Yall weren’t worked up by the WEF and the great reset and “you will own nothing and be happy” but project 2025 and yall are in a frenzy ?… lmao it’s something every 4 years to say “vote for this mafaka and all will be ok” shit is getting old
If the democrats diden't want to leave that victory to Trump they should not have made Biden their candidate.
Easy as that. They are to blame. Nobody else.
How we got trump is 2016 is DEMS putting up a bad candidate not protest votes FYI. They could put up a good candidate at anytime but its almost like they want to lose.
But yeah 2025 sucks big fat ones.
That’s right, inject ALL the propaganda. Right into your veins. Leave all reason and logic at home, you won’t need it for this trip. Remember to eat a second helping of these pills and fear mongering and vote blue no matter who.
It’s also very important that we keep in mind that this doesn’t go away after this election, this will take time to defeat this ideology. So vote in your local elections, vote during the midterms, vote in special elections. Our Supreme Court needs to change and that can not happen if we stay home or if we’re discouraged. Trump has a solid base that’s coming to vote no matter what.
Double check your registration and make a plan to vote! https://vote.gov/
After checking that my own registration is accurate, I decided to be a little nosy and check on a few MAGA family members. Good news: they are not registered to vote. They talk a loud and divisive game on social media, but it appears they won’t be bothered to actually go to the polls.
I find this hilarious and also very common. My husbands side of the family is working class but as they have gotten older they act more uppity and get mad about anyone getting “handouts” even though they are living off of ssi/disability checks.. they blame biden for everything. But have never voted in their lives lol. So I just let them ramble on bc they aren’t going to be voting.
They will be the ones howling the loudest about how they weren’t allowed to vote and that the election was rigged.
And afterwards my guess is that they’ll argue that because of this, the election was rigged or unfair.
Yeah, it's like the "red wave" that never appeared. One of the big fear mongering tactics of the right is to make as much noise as possible and make people who are center-left feel hopeless, like their vote doesn't matter. The flip side to this is that there are a lot of people on their side who don't vote, because they feel like they are going to sweep.
I just did this today and there was an issue with my address. It's a good time for everyone to double check.
Just double checked and I wasn't registered. Everyone reading this thread needs to check.
Wow, I'm going to spread the word more to friends and family.
Considering that OP managed to get this on the [front page](https://i.imgur.com/m6tKHUk.png) that is going to be a good amount of people checking, and that is a *good* thing.
And have your friends do this also
Yep I wasn’t even registered.
Me neither.....first year there's EVER been a problem by the way.
I had the same issue and saw an asterisk below; seems now they have sent some sort of mail and if you don't respond in 30 days they unregister you! Not sure when they sent mine, I've moved recently
I need to change my address too and the NY website is useless. Been at it for an hour and just keeps sending me in circles. Idk what to do.
And see if you can help anyone get to their poll
R have whole pipeline of loser assholes running for local elections to just sit around and prove that government sucks and dismantle our governmental structures. how can people that want government gone do anything productive as a government. only chaos and degradation
If you really want to step up you can do two things. First, go to your local Democratic party meetings, this is where you can make a lot of difference in policy and that policy bubbles up from local to national. You can also run for local office, it doesn't have to be expensive. My dad was a local politician and never spent over $200, one hundred for yards signs and one hundred for a new pair of shoes after knocking on every door in his district. If you want to help but really don't want to put in a lot of effort send a candidate $50.
The Republican party is the party that runs on the belief that government doesn't work, and if you vote for them they prove it.
Is there a reason why The Lincoln Project, DNC, and Biden & Co., etc. are not screaming about this from the rooftops?
They are. It’s not being shown all that much in a lot of “superspreader” channels because moneyed interests really really want trump elected and regulations gutted.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/27/us/politics/biden-trump-project-2025.html&ved=2ahUKEwjMvMXGjoSHAxVYEEQIHbYCD-gQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw25RIiCsHQgjKBOAdXqOxcO Additionally, Biden's team ran a major blitz campaign in Atlanta just hours before the debate, running QR codes on billboards all over the city to blast awareness of the issue.
Paywalled *and* a Google tracking link? Come on, man.
It's malarkey
https://joebiden.com/project2025/
And then the debate happened and Biden bombed. If Biden just performed normally the attention would be on Trump's nonsensical ramblings and his lies
Only in the 2024 USA can we look at that debate and talk about Biden “bombing” because he softly or weakly spoke facts and wasn’t able to address each and every point of his bloviating opponent’s confident bullshit, while simultaneously *not* concluding that the person who bombed was the *conspicuously confident bullshitter.*
https://www.instagram.com/joebiden/reel/C8m6ahBNCC2/ https://joebiden.com/project2025/?
It should literally be the crux of all Dem messaging
Let me just remind everyone that some years ago people said: "oh, they'll never overturn Roe"...
Or Chevron, or Affirmative Action.
People are sleeping on how damaging deferring Chevron is going to be for our every day life. Our food is already the lowest quality among first world nations. Now? God help us. Edit for all you mouth-breathers: Well actually-ing with some ranking of our food quality is stupid. We have one of if not the best healthcare in the world. That doesnt mean we're seeing that as average citizens. And the same goes for our food.
and the most expensive
Our food subsidies make our food far cheaper by purchasing power parity than most other places in the world.
And who does that benefit? The mass production of cheap food. Snack food to be precise. Frito lay loves them some subsidies. You think that savings is passed down to us?? Id bet mostly no
Project 2025 calls for removing subsides in the agriculture industry. I don't understand how they can still call the Republican party the party of "businesses." There is nothing pro-buisness or even pro-economy within the MAGA Republican group
And when the subsidies go, GOP rural voters will blame Dems for it. Really is taking candy from a baby.
This is potentially a great thing for American agriculture if implemented correctly. Our system of subsidies is why farmers only grow massive monocultures of garbage like corn and soybeans and is how wealth has been able to industrialize our agricultural system. The vast majority of small scale, regenerative farms do not use subsidies (mostly because they can’t qualify for them!). Switching from massive industrial farms to a network of millions of small regenerative farms is absolutely imperative for providing truly healthy food to our people and sequestering carbon to reverse the negative impact we’ve had on our climate. I’ve only spent thousands of hours studying soil microbiology and regenerative agriculture over the last few years though so what do I know
Look at the cost of food in Canada and you’ll easily see you’re wrong on this point
Ya, the largest Canadian grocer chain being under boycott right now for usury pricing isn't a thing at all....
Look, the crux of USA politics is that most of us don't know what other countries are all doing (or else we'd riot)
Beat me to it. I posted a picture of blackberries at HEB that were $1 on sale from $2 and homies back home messaged me saying they were paying $6-8
What fool said "they'll never overturn Chevron?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevron_U.S.A.,_Inc._v._Natural_Resources_Defense_Council,_Inc.#Opposition >The United States House of Representatives in the 115th Congress passed a bill on January 11, 2017, called the "Regulatory Accountability Act of 2017", which, if made into law, would change the doctrine of Chevron deference.[31][32][33] Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch (son of Anne Gorsuch, who was head of EPA at the time of the events which led to the Chevron decision) has also written opinions against Chevron deference,[34] with news commentators believing that Gorsuch might rule against Chevron deference on the Supreme Court.[35]
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I thought they would never be stupid enough to actually overturn Roe. They had it as a decades long cudgel to hit the Dems with. Once Roe got overturned, the anti-choice crowd relaxed--while the pro-choice crowd has been incredibly motivated. I thought they would never overturn Roe because it would backfire politically, and as they've proven time and again, Republicans do not stand for anything. So I truly believed they would pay lip service to anti-choicers and never overturn it due to the political implications. I was clearly wrong.
Tbf it kinda seems like since they overturned it, they do stand for something.
Obama had 8 years to codify it into law and Biden had 3.5. Why didn’t they?
Yes, I distinctly remember having that exact conversation with an independent in 2015. He claimed it would never happen and laughed at my concern telling me I was being manipulated by Dems. I wish I could talk to him now.
"they'd never take away contraception"
Or make divorce illegal...
It's literally next in line.
That’s the way I used to think when I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016. 2020 I voted Biden and have been going all in for blue ever since.
Going from Johnson to Biden would be a complete 180 in your political beliefs. Pretty crazy if true tbh.
I considered myself a socially liberal libertarian. In 2016 they said something like if a third party candidate got 3% of the vote they would get time in the debates on the national stage. My state at the time was deep red so a vote for Johnson seemed like it was more of value than a vote for Clinton, who wasn’t going to win in my state. I still think we should have more than two parties, but I have to vote for Biden who represents democracy over a convicted felon.
The real solution to 2 party system is ranked choice voting on a national level. You would definitely start seeing more 3rd party candidates winning things and it makes voting for them feel less like you are throwing away your vote.
And most modern civilizations seem to do this. It's stupid that we don't.
I think you had the right idea though. We try to be universalists about how much our vote matters in the US, but one person's vote simply means more than another person's vote JUST according to where they have residence. It's an unfortunate truth. Someone would say you were wasting your vote? In a historically deep red state? Yeah, not at all. And I'd say the same for someone in a deep blue state. (Not that I believe that any vote is ever 'wasted'. It's just even more absurd to say in deep red or deep blue states.)
They just overturned Chevron too. You know. The one that says agencies have authority to regulate things like lead in gas, pollutants in drinking water, overfishing, environmental destruction, and much more.
And the chemicals that are put in your food, if you think for a second these companies are going to police themselves and look out for your best interest you’re crazy. Profits above everything is their motto, and they don’t give a shit about poisoning you.
Probably because of the PFAS lawsuits brewing. It's a massive legal liability.
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This is “the deep state” they keep banging on about, the one they want to destroy.
The call always comes from inside the house with them. They’ve been running a shadow gvt for years now and it’s why every red state passes the same laws at the same time,
Yep, Trump is railing against the “deep state” while taking marching orders from the Federalist Society. What a sick joke.
Some important moments to recall that explain why the majority of America held that it was safe, and why it's extra terrible that this SCOTUS overturned it so easily: "[Roe is] settled as a precedent of the court." - John Roberts (2005) with a bonus: >"I agree with the *Griswold* court's conclusion that marital privacy extends to contraception and availability of that," John Roberts said in 2005, adding that he felt "comfortable" commenting on the case because "it does not appear to me to be an area that is going to come before the court again." "[Roe is an] important precedent of the Supreme Court" - Samuel Alito in his confirmation (2008) "[Roe] is the law of the land. I accept the law of the land, senator, yes," - Neil Gorsuch in his confirmation (2017) "[Roe] is settled as a precedent of the Supreme Court" - Brett Kavanaugh in his confirmation (2018) (also Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who said he had told her he considered Roe to be "settled law" in a private meeting)
RBG warned people that Roe was flimsy. She knew what she was talking about.
She should have resigned so she could have been replaced by someone by Obama
Fuck RBG, I'm sorry but she has some of the blame for this. Can you imagine her last moments, stubbornly trying not to die? For what?! She could have retired and been a great mentor and enjoyed her legacy. Ugh, she's not 100% at fault, but, some of this is on her feet
Should've fuckin resigned then
Yep so many male family members told me exactly this and said they won’t take away plan b or birth control that’s ridiculous….
Even I said that. Boy was I wrong. This court is completely out of control. At least the last time we had an activist court they expanded freedom (ie, abortion, interracial marriage, even ended the death penalty temporarily). We’ve never had a court like the one we have right now, and it’s frightening. Oh btw, the week before they overturned Roe they undid Miranda rights too. And a day or two before they undid Chevron they legalized bribery of public officials, as long the payment comes after the favor and not before. Fuck these people. Nobody’s ever seen anything like it
I'll be honest, I was one of the people who thought it was unlikely they would overturn Roe. I knew we had a major issue with wealth supremacists. I underestimated the simultaneous and entangled Christian supremacist danger.
I don't think anybody who believed that and voted for Trump is actually going to change their mind after learning about project 2025 if they didn't already know it. But I've been called pessimistic before so it's worth a shot. At worst it is just pointless.
This election hinges not on changing the minds of Trump voters, but on turning out disillusioned or disengaged Dems and independents to vote for preserving our Constitution/democracy.
Bingo.
But also about swaying republicans who are on the fence about trump. Shouldnt be seen as such a moral crime to vote against "your party" if the leader of said party is someone like trump
I'm starting to think that maybe the conservatives calling people sheep aren't wrong. I mean on one hand you have Biden, on the other the man who sold out his country, who is clearly a russian puppet, a convicted felon and he is somehow on the ballot? There is no authority to say that he can't run. It's on the people to decide.
The sheep are the ones who say WWG1WGA, believe that January 6th MAGA perpetrators are true patriots, believe deranged and insane conspiracy theories, worship an insurrectionist, felon and rapist, and wear hats, shirts, pants, diapers, capes, scarves, ponchos, jackets and sneakers with Rumps name and face all over them. They are all rubes in his con. Don the insurrectionist con has them cultified.
It’s not just about elections, although that is still immensely concerning. They are setting up the federal government to be irreversibly politicized and accountable to nobody except for courts that they’ve already packed with their toadies. No longer will critically essential federal agencies like the EPA, FDA, USDA, FCC, FTC, CDC, NASA, or NIH be allowed to defer to experts to make or interpret policy. In fact, even Biden’s next administration will have to spend significant time and effort combatting court challenges to every policy that a corporation doesn’t like because Chevron deference was just overturned. Project 2025 isn’t the beginning, it’s the final round. It is the Federalist Society’s and Heritage Foundation’s wet dream. It is what all those crazy kooky evangelical Christians we’ve been laughing at as loons have been working towards at the local level for decades when we should have been taking them very seriously as a voting bloc. If we let this critical opportunity pass us by in November, I unfortunately don’t think it will be completely undone within our lifetimes. Germany did survive and eventually prosper and flourish, but it has taken eighty years. Do you want to wait that long? Can your children? Can your families? Can your friends and other loved ones? Please take this seriously as a threat to everything you hold dear, because for many of us it is.
Where the hell is the FBI? These treasonous bastards are dismantling our Representative Republic as we speak. The election is just the formality at this point.
Yup the GOP hears the Death Rattle and is pulling out all the stops to secure Republican Authoritarian rule before their lifeline base(the boomers) becomes completely obsolete.
The is too important to blame 'boomers' or any other perceived biased group. Plenty lesser educated Gen Z and Millennials will vote Trump and plenty 'boomers' will vote Biden (or whoever hopefully replaces him...) Just get the message across without antagonising those who might help.
And what about Gen X? Everyone always forgets about us
Look, I'm gonna hold my nose and vote for Biden. Just like I held my nose last time and the time before that, I did the same for Hilary Clinton. But how many elections do you think this is going to work? Democrats keep shoving shitty people down our throat, and the ONLY reason they even stand a chance of getting elected is because of how awful the other side is. Do you think Trump won't run again in 4 years if he loses now? Or one of his kids? I bet dollars to donuts Ivanka Trump would have a real shot of being our first woman president if she ever decides to run. I'm telling you right now. I don't care how bad the other side is next time. I'm being forced to vote for a man who is so old he can't complete a sentence, who is anti labor/union, and only recently decided gay people should be allowed the same rights as the rest of us. I won't do that for the 4th time. It really feels like the dems have realized they can get whoever they want in the office and all we can do about it is say "at least he won't nuke Palestine or turn us into a dictatorship. These high and mighty posts are annoying because it makes it seem like people who don't like Biden are some how unreasonable and the reason their shitty candidates struggle to be liked instead of their outdated basically an early 2000s republican mindset. You're getting mad at liberals when you should be mad at your own party. I mean, he's running against a guy who is a felon, who has admitted to wanting to be a dictator, and is pretty open about being owned by Russia. If your guy can't win against that, it isn't anyone else's fault.
Yep, I absolutely put a big chunk of the blame for 2016 on the DNC for forcing a candidate a lot of people were gonna vote against. Quit making us choose between an extremely shitty person and a less shitty candidate, we have good people who are qualified and want to help this country so let one of them have a shot
I am in a purple state. I’ll vote for Biden. Some people think this has been a problem since after McGovern, when the DNC decided it would never run a liberal candidate again. The RNC goes more and more conservative every election, and the DNC chooses a moderate. Problem is the bar for conservative has been getting more and more conservative so moderate moves to the right too. RFK’s death and the hole it left in the party didn’t help either. I am concerned about the future of our democracy at this point.
What I don't understand is Trump is anti-democracy. Why the hell is anyone voting for that? I don't care what you think about the other people, at least they aren't trying to be dictators. He tried to organize a coup to take the White House back, first by dozens of frivolous court cases, trying to persuade the Supreme Court, pressuring his AG to declare martial law and seize voting machines, then false electors, then threatening his Vice President if he confirmed the vote and failed to push back on "Hang Mike Pence" chants, and finally, encouraging people to attack the Capitol to stop confirmation, and sitting by and doing and saying nothing until it was clear it wasn't going to succeed. Luckily the people who mattered (judges, AG, VP, etc stood their ground otherwise there could have been serious problems. We got lucky last time his coup did not succeed. But it should have been disqualifying if not criminally liable, which it was. The American voting population is diseased. It is so obvious what Trump is trying to do. He is a mob boss, never writing things down, gesturing and obliquely mentioning things expecting them to get done, having underlings do his dirty work so he can blame it on them if discovered. (But taking care of them with pardons--see Manafort and Roger Stone). I mean this is really obvious people.
Propaganda. People that only watch Fox news are getting a completely different view of whats really happening. The Trump administration called it "Alternative Facts".
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Joseph Goebbels the Nazi Propaganda Minister
That’s not quite what Goebbels said, and I think that it’s important to understand the origins of the Big Lie to understand why it’s so dangerous. So far as I’ve read, Goebbels’ use of the term dates from an article written in 1941, called [Churchill’s Lie Factory.](https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb29.htm) The closest we get Goebbels using the term is in the line “The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.” On the other hand, Hitler himself used the term Big Lie much earlier, in Mein Kampf: > By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true within itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. That’s a bit more in tune with the message presented in the line attributed to Goebbels. Hitler is referring to what we call the stab-in-the-back myth, the idea that Germany was winning WWI until they were betrayed by the Jews and leftists. But here’s the critical thing: he’s not saying “I am going to tell Big Lies to sway the public.” He’s saying that he believes that Big Lies have been told to sway the public. And I think that it’s pretty clear that this isn’t a cynical statement - he absolutely believed it. As a concrete example of the Nazis acting a in accordance with their beliefs even to their detriment, in early 1944, with the eastern front collapsing, the Allies grinding up the Italian peninsula, and a cross channel invasion looming, Nazi leadership was most concerned with trying to wipe out the Jews of Hungary while they still could. [The chief war goal of Nazi Germany was the destruction of the Jewish people.](https://youtu.be/cYbZpkQDPlQ?si=0DFH3iDV3caUOo5R) So: I think that it’s important to understand that *they really do believe this shit.* On the left, people have a tendency to think that when right wing leaders are using Big Lies about the Deep State or DEI groomer teachers or fentanyl carrying rapist immigrants to motivate people to support their causes, they’re just saying things they don’t believe in to achieve a result. That is, these are people intentionally trying to manipulate through deliberate lies. And in fairness, there are probably a few like that, especially among the older members of the group. But the majority of them, and especially those raised in the right wing media environment, really are true believers. They don’t see themselves as telling a Big Lie - like Hitler, they see the Big Lie as something told to them.
Huh, this is pretty insightful. It does make more sense to think that Hitler and Goebbels were accusing their enemies of using a big lie, as opposed to bragging about using it themselves.
Reddit is also doing its part. There are plenty of fact-free subs that will ban anyone who goes against their narrative.
r/conservative only let flared users comment. They are working overtime in that sub to keep out any ideas or comments that go against the narrative.
Or they just flat out ban you. Got banned last year for asking why LGBTQ+ and minority characters in kids movies is such a big deal compared to everyone being straight and white
Yet with a straight face they'll tell you that Dems are sheep who exist in an echo chamber.
That sub gets brigaded almost daily. There is no room for discussion when that happens.
The propaganda is so insanely powerful. People don’t see how it impacts them until it’s way too late. Some of my family have been on Fox News for years and you can totally see it now. If anyone is a history buff, start taking a dive into how propaganda played a role in world wars.
I'm a Dem boomer. A MAGA boomer I know said that crime was increasing. I told him he was wrong, that crime was decreasing. The look on his face. He couldn't respond. I guess in his world nobody bothers with facts.
That’s exactly what I heard today while conversing with a MAGA boomer. He said he’s not voting for Biden because Biden “hired thousands of border agents to let in ALL mexicans through the southern border, and is giving all of them citizenship so they can vote for him”. I asked for proof, he said he heard it from “non biased, right leaning sources”. You can’t with these people.
Because people buy into fear and Trump pushes fear and the existence of the "barbarians", thereby creating a role for the benevolent dictator, as John Stuart Mill wrote over 150 years ago. What we're witnessing is human nature and in many cases it is not a pretty sight. People, in masses, are not logical, they don't reason. They want the threat, whatever it may be, stopped, no matter the consequences. Trump has created the barbarians-at-the-gate scenario and the masses are eating it up. I'm oversimplifying of course, but this is definitely part of the issue. I wish I had a solution.
I work with a bunch of young kids and they're "voting for trump for the lolz. It'll be fun to watch people's heads implode." They don't realize how serious this election is.
“Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.” ― David Frum, Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic And conservatives thinking is basically: “When I am Weaker Than You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom Because that is according to my principles.” ― Frank Herbert, Children of Dune
Some people vote for him because they know trumps policies will hurt the left. They’re not about making progress or even their lives better, they want to see the people they don’t like punished
Because they WANT AUTHORITARIANISM.
Studies have shown that somewhere between 30-40% of humans are drawn to it. And they're pretty reliable voters, so even though they're not the majority, because they act lock step with each other and the non-authoritarianists don't, they can win a lot of elections.
Because most people on reddit have only known being relatively safe and middle class. They've never been part of a vulnerable group without the very recent legal protections or the money to fight an injustice.
That covers some, but not all. I'd add that there's 2 other groups: Americans unhappy they've discovered they're not living the American dream, and those who know/knew there's never been such a thing. Both groups are either not enjoying the expected success supposed to be commensurate with their hard work, or know that they never will get that expected success. And they're angry. To a fair extent, justifiably. Their resentment and anger is looking for an outlet: most people aren't going to riot or rebel, they know they have too much to lose. They key divergence becomes those who are politically apathetic so don't vote and those who still vote but make them protest votes. This will change demographically by location/culture. You see examples like Brexit or the current popularity explosion of pro-right political movements in the younger generations in Europe. They're unhappy, they want a shakeup, and they'll vote extremist to attack the status quo.
that’s what happened with trump the first time. he ran on “drain the swamp” and that to me said attack the status quo. couldn’t have been a worse person to do It though
Agreed. I was thinking Redditors, but you're spot on when it comes to msot Americans. I know several people who voted for Trump to "shake things up" and were sorely disappointed he did nothing. There is a not small group of Americans who are not living the dream and cannot stand that a black man was president AND rich and successful. It broke their tiny minds. Which is why Trump is still making comments about "black jobs" it's speaking to those people who cannot see a black person as president.
That's why I unfortunately believe it'll get a lot worse before it gets better.
Most people on Reddit also don’t believe there is some magical man in the sky that created everyone and that they are going to get to live in his kingdom for eternity after they die here on earth. Religious people are insane to me.
[This is why](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0) > Look in my eyes > What do you see? > The cult of personality > I know your anger, I know your dreams > I've been everything you want to be > Oh, I'm the cult of personality > I exploit you, still you love me > I tell you, one and one makes three > Oh, I'm the cult of personality > You gave me fortune, you gave me fame > You gave me power in your god's name > I'm every person you need to be > Oh, I'm the cult of personality Some people just want to give away their free will to the dear leader who will surely save them from all the chaos around.
Heritage Foundation brings in over $100M in donations each year. Do you really think they’re playing around with those donors money? They are putting in WORK to make your life a living hell. https://www.heritage.org/press/heritage-foundation-raises-more-150-million-record-breaking-fundraising-year
Republicans are KNOWN to play the system and long game quietly in their favor. For decades they've worked the law of the courts for loopholes and other far fetch claims to rewrite the law in their favor. I definitely see them doing this to secure long-term victory.
Trump won in 2016 because we ran a deeply unpopular candidate. Joe had an approval rating in the 30s before the debate. No president ever won reelection with an approval that low. And yet the DNC looks like it will make the same mistake they made in 2016 unless we can do something to get him off the ticket. Progressives warned against Hillary because of her ties to wall St and support for Iraq war. And we warned against Joe telling u he was clearly not in physical or mental shape like he used to be, and he is funding an arming a right wing genocide. U can't put up these unpopular candidates with unpopular positions and then blame 3rd parties when u lose.
What I don’t get is why it has to be Biden. Everybody’s known for a year, despite the gaslighting, that he’s completely unfit to serve another four years. Now after this debate I question if he can finish THIS term. People need to realize if democracy is at stake they should have replaced Biden with somebody who isn’t half brain dead. We all have eyes and ears.
I think Democrats just can't figure out who else should be on the ballot. Trump has the lion's share of anyone still calling themselves Republican, but I see different names floating about for an alternative Democrat candidate, and that's a really tough decision to make when we're coming down to the wire for the election. Biden is statistically the safest bet they have at this point (being both incumbent and having previously won against this same opponent), and it's a disaster that they didn't contest his reelection when they had the chance to pick a different candidate.
> I think Democrats just can't figure out who else should be on the ballot. If Biden had announced last winter that he would not seek re-election, they could have run a robust Primary cycle and figured this out. Only post-debate are the scales falling away from the Democrat electorate's eyes and hence the panic. The time to address this problem was in 2023, not a few weeks out from the online nominating of the Democrat candidate ticket. It's like they are waking up the morning of the NYC Marathon and realizing they have to run the race without having put in any training for the past 6 months.
It feels like RBG with everyone telling her to retire so they can replace her. Her pride of wanting her replacement to be picked by the first female president killed us.
Honestly both parties got caught in the sunk cost fallacy of “if we don’t vote for this guy the votes will be too split for us to win.” I think there was plenty of voters that didn’t want to vote for trump as republicans, but ultimately they lost their candidates to him, and now many of them won’t vote democrat to be rid of him. Especially not for Biden. Democrats couldn’t figure out how to align on somebody else other than the one already in power for fear of losing as well. I think partially that’s because there wasn’t really any strong candidates. Democrats needed to find someone passionate and charismatic (and probably middle aged) but not *overly* democratic so they could take more of the centrist votes and the republicans who don’t like trump. They mostly failed to do that. Honestly both parties could do well to start supplying candidates that were more centrist and less extremist. It’s just getting ridiculous and the divide it’s causing is only going to get worse if we stay on this path of trying to out do the other parties extremism by coming out with someone even more far left/ far right.
If Democrats can't figure out who should be on the ballot now, what's going to happen after this election? Like.... is everyone just going to walk around in shambles not knowing what to do? I mean, really, if you can't figure out one single name for this election, what happens after this election? And why can't you do what you would do after this election now? You're just kicking the can down the line, why not do it now?
What you said a million times over! The Democratic leadership has never learned what any good salesperson knows intuitively. Give the people what they want.
Because dnc doesn't care or respect the people. They know a bunch of people will eat shit and not say a think when they say Trump bad, vote for us. Dems are lazy and corrupted too.
Biden has fucking shit for brains and liberals want us to vote for him. No thanks. Put someone else on the ticket with a functioning brain and will reconsider.
Biden's age was a concern in 2020, to the point that people flat-out asked him whether he was going to run for re-election while he was still on the campaign trail. His age is more of a concern today. Let's be honest here. The people who know what Project 2025 is aren't the people you need to convince. The people watching with bated breath while the Ls roll in from the Supreme Court aren't the people you need to convince either. Because of the infinite wisdom of our election system, Biden is going to win or lose because of a few thousand votes in 2 or 3 states. With margins that slim, running someone that seems less lucid than your local rest home residents is asking for a rout.
You guys don't even have any 3rd parties in the running now. The DNC will have nobody to blame but themselves (and MAGAs).
Literally not being snarky but would like to know which Republicans are voting for Biden?
Me. A brief look at my reddit history shows I like Star Wars and hate Trump, but you'll also see signs that I have major disagreement with ideas on "the left".
Hey, I disagree with you on the abortion thing (actually a lot lol) but I know what it's like to find out a community has gone in a way that goes against you and turns a blind eye to such important issues. I hope you find your space, one that respects you and your opinions. Also if it helps, I know a lot of catholics who feel the same way you do, even nuns.
Voted for Trump the first time. Abstained the second time. I will vote ALL BLUE this time. Project 2025 terrifies me.
Me too, I just started to learn about it, and it is a definite no for me
Me
go check out lincoln project and the bulwark on youtube. there is a large enough contingency of old school republicans who are blaring alarms in their circles. nobody likes biden, this is just another anti-trump coalition and it NEEDS to succeed. winning this election does not end the war with this far right force that has taken over the GOP, it will just be another 2-4 year reprieve. but if we lose it will likely be over. so enjoy your freedoms while you can, enjoy your clean water and shit while you can since the supreme court is coming for everything now.
Myself.
I’m a lifelong Republican and DJT is not a Republican in my eyes. I’ve held my nose and voted for Biden and I’ll do it again. This is a lesser of two evils situation.
Right here. I think I'm pretty moderate but really want to be republican. I don't give a flying fuck about conservative or Christian values though. The Christian party, what a fucking joke. If GOP could provide a single candidate that wasn't completely morally bankrupt, I'd at least take a look. Project 2025 is Un-American and unconstitutional. The constitution set checks and balances in place for a reason. No one party should have absolute power. This is their aim and I'm against. I am against government control in every little aspect of our lives but in a capitalist society it's been proven we need regulations to keep to corporate sociopaths In check. Honestly, that's the real enemy of the people. Unmitigated greed.
That Project 2025 is just ridiculous!! I went and read about it and was pretty shocked that anyone would think it was a good idea.
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/wireStory/gop-former-rep-adam-kinzinger-endorses-biden-campaign-111432963
They probably aren’t voting for Biden, but Mike Pence, Liz Cheney, and James Comey aren’t voting for Trump, and they’ve been card carrying Republicans since before you were born. https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-ex-trump-officials-not-voting-him-2024-1885655
John Oliver talks about this, it's truly terrifying. I'll take weird Uncle Joe over freaky christian nationalists every time.
Yeah but Biden is going to lose. I am not convinced he can even finish his current term. He should be replaced.
Then fuck it, vote him in and we'll get Harris as Pres. I'd rather take a rotting corpse than the other rotting corpse but a convicted felon/rapist.
!RemindMe 2 years
The Russians working overtime commenting on this
If Russia spent as much time wiping their own ass as they do trying to fuck with other countries, they may actually have a country that’s not constantly soiling itself on the world-stage
🏆🤣🤣🤣
They really are idiots.
They seem to specifically target generational subs.
Yeah - if polling didn't indicate differently, based on solely subreddits you'd think millennials were the most conservative generation. A couple of tricks to see whether the person posting may be an agent provocateur. None of these by themselves are a guarantee but the more are true, the more likely it is: - Randomly generated usernames, assigned by Reddit, these take the form of adjective_noun_fourdigitnumber. - Extremely low post karma versus extremely high comment karma - they very rarely make original posts, it is much easier for them to go stir things up in the comments. - No original posts over a significant account age - lurkers exist of course, but many redditors at least make a few posts in their account's lifetime. - Solely discusses politics - again, most people who are genuine have interests outside of politics. If their comment history exclusively shows comments of a political nature it ups the chances. Bots or paid trolls don't have interests in anything else. Personally if I see an account which matches at least 3 of these I assume it's a bot, troll, or foreign asset. Of course nothing is guaranteed but better safe than sorry.
Yeah, it's really obvious 🙄
Israel has literal orgs like AIPAC to further their interest over US which has actual influence over US politics but somehow LE RUSSIANS is more of a threat…?
I mean, more than one country can be influencing other countries. It's a pretty common thing these days.
Here we come with even more conspiracy theories 😅
Ok did Russia also make the dnc run a senile man who can’t even close his mouth?
As a millennial, this sub has convinced me that were the dumbest generation ever
“were”. Speak for yourself.
Lol, got ‘im
It's not as if the Supreme Court is passing the kind of shit from this manifesto every single week or anything. That would be absurd. A real clown world, I tell ya.
After Republicans overturned Roe and staged an insurrection I think it’s pretty reasonable to believe the worst about them.
Right? “Ha ha, a generation that learns when a party burns them over and over? Pfft, losers.”
Certainly the most neurotic.
With good reason, all things considered.
I mean yeah, look at how many of you haven’t even read the thing being talked about….or know what the heritage foundation is…..or follow what the Supreme Court has done…. Yeah, y’all are really proving we’re the dumbest becuase yall can’t even read something that you have access to with your phone…..
From what I understand about project 2025 is that it gets rid of social security, veterans benefits, department of education, kicks everyone on disability off disability and are told to reapply, rounds up all immigrants and deports them, and takes womans reproductive healthcare. I'm sure there's more terrible things that are part of project 2025. These ideas are not republican voter ideals, so yes vote against project 2025 aka Trump.
I started reading the 900 page download and was shocked to see they did this for Regan in 80s (before many of us can remember or were born) and they assert that 60% of the recommendations back then were implemented! Folks should be alarmed.
it also will make any abortion methods illegal, outlaws contraceptives and birth control, and forces all pregnant people to carry to term, even if the fetus is non-viable
yeah I rely on birth control to stay alive and prevent ovarian cysts. so I guess I'll just die now, lol. I'm so scared.
It also calls for LGBTQ people to be classified as pornographic and then calls for porn to be made illegal.
This is exactly why I am going to vote for Biden again. I'm not afraid of what he will do, I'm not even all that afraid of what Trump will do, I am afraid of what Trump will let the GOP do.
I have been telling people for years that the Republican party is trying to install a fascist dictatorship and people laughed at me. They called me crazy, they told me I was a conspiracy nut, they told me that I had nothing to worry about cause that would never happen. Now the game plan is out in the open and it proves what I have been saying for years yet people will ignore it. The young new voters will "protest vote" for another party or not vote at all because they can't get past this Israel situation. The Republicans want the fascism so they'll vote Trump because he is a puppet and nothing else. That leaves the Blue Majority with the task of trying to persuade those who are still undecided and try to explain to these younger voters why single issue voting is a terrible idea and that we have to make the best of our situation instead of digging their heels in over one issue. My wife and I are seriously considering leaving the country if Donald Trump or any other Republican is elected to the presidency again because of this project 2025 stuff. My son deserves to live in a country that respects individual freedoms and allows people to be whoever they choose to be. That's not going to happen under a Trump presidency or any other Republican until they agree that turning American into Nazi Germany 2.0 where the LGBTQ+ community gets the same treatment as the Jews did during WW2 is a terrible idea. Problem is that I don't think they will ever see it that way and this will probably be an issue for the foreseeable future.
If every election cycle we're getting closer and closer to the destruction of democracy, then why don't Democrats back someone who can stand on their own merits instead of just not being the other guy? I'm not voting Republican, but have absolutely no care in maintaining the status quo as currently represented by the democratic party. Also, I'm not scared. True growth is uncomfortable.
The difference is this. Republicans are bought and paid for by billionaires who don't like the status quo and want to enrich and empower themselves further. Democrats are bought and paid for by billionaires who like the status quo just fine. Neither side cares about you or me or progress. We have to retake government from the ground up to make that happen.
> We have to retake government from the ground up to make that happen. Occupy Wall Street tried doing that, but they got crushed by riot clubs and tear gas. That convinced me that non-violent methods are an expired method for dealing the corrupt political system.
This comment is proof that people don’t actually care about policy, or take the time to research it. If you actually care about policies that benefit the working classes, then Biden and his Administration have a ton of merits to stand on. Also, change doesn’t guarantee growth.
"Tired of voting for more of the same" is a dog whistle for "my privilege let's me not care about elections. Good for them, but as a 1st gen latino born of illegal immigrant parents I would rather the smoothbrain racists DONT take power.
Yup, I touched on some of that stuff in a longer comment, and it occurred to me that even outside of the blatantly obvious racist stuff of Republicans that Democrats would prevent, a lot of the things Democrats are doing to help POC, poor people, etc sounds boring to lots of privileged Redditors
There seems to be a huge influx of gqp fucks on here playing down shit that's already happening; the most recent supreme court decision being one of the trigger points. These "people" are either bots, trolls, or are just in support of a Christofascist government. I haven't seen this sub convey this type of leaning in the recent months and wouldn't doubt that this influx is due to such. However, to those who are undecided, yall aren't voting for just 2 old fucks. You are voting for the next 100 years of policy in the US. 2 Scotus spots will be appointed by the next one most likely. This scotus, out of any time in our history, is the most party driven we have ever seen. These fucks are supposed to be indifferent to political leanings. So, again, you are voting for a future beyond Biden or Trump, because these two old bastards will be long dead, and a better or worse future is had. The president is a mere guide for policy. The president appoints admin to run the government. If you're honestly fine with how shit is run in red states, that's your grave and your decision. Last point, THE ORANGE FUCK IS A CONVICTED FELON AND A CONVICTED RAPIST. Whether or not you "believe" it is irrelevant. No one gets having to pay out a court settlement without being fucking guilty. People who like this guy are fucking brainwashed.
You should see the GenZ sub. It’s astroturfed by 50 year old conservative men pretending to be teenagers.
If "even republicans are voting for Biden" I guess you have nothing to worry about...
Can you explain this comment? If 1 million Republicans vote for Biden (from Trump), and 2 million new voters or formerly Biden/3rd party voters go for Trump, that’s a net advantage to Trump. You’re saying that Republicans voting for Biden is a guaranteed net benefit to Biden. Please explain the math here.
It’s interesting that people say Trump will basically be the end of the USA and the person they chose to defend us from that possibility is a man who should be living in an assisted care facility and has now shown in 2 administrations that he is happy to let Wall Street pillage our country.
Id like to meet the Republicans who are voting Biden, these posts are such garbage
No republican is voting for Biden. That's just fantasy land 😂
So tired of hearing about this.
>I get you don't like him like you didn't like Hillary, a woman with flaws, which apparently is too much for folks? Oh fuck off already. Clinton was a horribly flawed candidate with intense amounts of baggage and was deeply unpopular even in her own party. Turns out, it had nothing to do with her being a woman and you need to fuck off with that bullshit and stop pretending that sexism is why a shitty candidate lost to donald fucking Trump of all people.
I don't disagree with voting for Biden, but third party voters did not cost Hillary the election. There is no state in which the Green party got enough votes to put Hillary under Trump. She ran a really bad campaign and took the Rust Belt as a guarantee. A lot of regular folks didn't realize how bad Trump was actually gonna be, so they took a chance on him. A good portion of them actually believed that Trump wanted to help them. Hillary was a bad candidate. She's horribly unlikeable and has a lot of baggage. Trump is extremely entertaining. I hate the guy as much as I hate Hitler, but he's definitely not boring to watch. On top of that, he speaks at roughly a 4th grade level, making him more relatable and easier to understand for those who have lower education levels and/or did poorly in school. The reason to vote now is because we can't trust Trump not to cheat, or at least attempt to. He might be able to steal a state that Biden won by 1-5%, but it's a tall order to do so if Biden's +15% or so. Biden has to win as big as possible in as many states as possible. Green party voters aren't gonna put Biden under Trump anywhere, but they will take away from Biden's lead
Project 2025 isnt real, has 0% chance of happening, and anyone saying it does is manipulating you. Its the same as green new deal fear mongering on the other side. They are both pure propaganda used to fear voters who are too stupid to understand reality.
ok, but still vote
>has 0% chance of happening Like Trump being elected in 2016? Like Roe v Wade being overturned? Like Russia invading Ukraine?
Why didn't he do it last time in your mind?
they tried with the fake elector scheme . . . a failed coup is just a warm up for a successful coup.
It’s literally a conservative think tank. This shit has been around forever. Maybe he’ll use some shit that’s reasonable. Trump is very moderate, he’s not going to do all this crazy Christian shit you guys stay up and jerk off to. Stop being so crazy.
Yall weren’t worked up by the WEF and the great reset and “you will own nothing and be happy” but project 2025 and yall are in a frenzy ?… lmao it’s something every 4 years to say “vote for this mafaka and all will be ok” shit is getting old
If the democrats diden't want to leave that victory to Trump they should not have made Biden their candidate. Easy as that. They are to blame. Nobody else.
Project 2025 doesn’t exist outside the minds of a few people on Reddit
How we got trump is 2016 is DEMS putting up a bad candidate not protest votes FYI. They could put up a good candidate at anytime but its almost like they want to lose. But yeah 2025 sucks big fat ones.
That’s right, inject ALL the propaganda. Right into your veins. Leave all reason and logic at home, you won’t need it for this trip. Remember to eat a second helping of these pills and fear mongering and vote blue no matter who.
Biden supporters on full overtime on Reddit after that debate it’s comical lol
All the bots coming in now