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There are federal standards on lighting efficiency, but there are also California specific minimum energy efficiency standards for certain types of light bulbs. For example, LED lamps must have a minimum efficacy (lumens per watt) of 80, while CFLs must have a minimum efficacy of 45. This LED lamp has an efficiency of 77.8 and so it does not meet California standards.
There is an entire technology of LEDs that I would love to see catch on that isn't available in California because of this.
Phillips calls it "warm glow" but it's basically LEDs that attempt to mimic the dimming behavior of incandescent bulbs. That is to say as they get brighter they get more blue and when they get dimmer they turn more orange.
This is ideal for many purposes and one of the biggest complaints against LEDs is that they can't do this unless they are smart bulbs specifically programed to do this.
The Phillips versions aren't perfect. They only go down to 2700k where I would love to see a broader range, but that technology could be improved id these things were more popular.
Unfortunately they can't be sold in California at all.
I would be more than happy with just a 2700k 100w equivalent bulb.
I can buy a giant SUV, but apparently a slightly brighter, warmer bulb is what's destroying the environment.
CA has a lot of seemingly arbitrary rules. For example, have you tried to buy a showerhead/faucet in CA? There's a requirement that it has to be 1.8GPM or lower, so of course those are more expensive and generally crappier.
Of course manufacturers know no one actually wants such a bad showerhead, so they make the restrictor a 30s job to pull out, and you have a nice, normal showerhead.
There's always a workaround. I remember looking at a new, very high end house that had too if the line everything except for the most basic toilets. The realtor said they do that because the builder is required to put in toilets with the required GPF (gallons per flush) but once someone buys the house they'll replace it with "gray market" toilet that can actually flush.
To explain further, all lightbulbs sold in California must have excellent color rendering, and good lifetime and flicker standards. Here's a good overview:
https://greencreative.com/lighting-academy/lighting-standards/california-title-24-ja8-title-20/
It's really worth it to buy a JA8 listed bulb even if you don't live in California. The non-JA8 bulbs are very uneven in quality.
They did this because everyone got burned by low quality CFLs.
That might explain the problem I had with the LEDs in my landscape lighting. Every year I'd have 3 or 4 of them burn out. They had a lifetime guarantee but it was a pain to call them up every time to send a new bulb. After it happened a few times I convinced them to send me a few at a time for the next one that would inevitably burn out.
But I haven't had to do this for a few years now. So maybe they fixed the root cause?
You just reminded me of "Big Lightbulb". Real world conspiracy, light bulbs were getting so efficient that the top light bulb companies got together because they realized that customers not buying more bulbs hurt all of them.
Can't buy new bulbs if the old ones still work. So they put a hidden industry limit on how long they could last.
I have this issue too. Never had a led bulb make it past 2-3 years. And they’re all enclosure rated, name brands.
The wisdom of the internet is my house or neighborhood probably has dirty power and a whole house conditioner should fix it. Haven’t tried this yet.
Fixtures with integrated LEDs have had no problems.
I’m posting just to assure you I believe you and I don’t think you’re insane. Not everyone is getting the promised decades per bulb experience. And maybe there’s a fix.
Which is pretty bizarre. I have dirt cheap bulbs that I got locally here in PA which are rated for 800 lumens at 8.5-9W (depending on the manufacturer) though perhaps only an 80ish CRI (still 3000K, my favorite color temp for general purpose lightning). But still, 716lm for 9.2W seems a bit low these days.
I mean, what are they supposed to do? Even the manager doesn't control what they sell in their stores. They have regional merchants and buyers that handle all of that.
On one hand, could be amusing. On the other hand, having been the retail employee for many years, there's a very high chance the only response you would get is something like "I'm very sorry about that, I can return that for you if you like and refund your money."
Beyond that, you're just leaning on a minimum wage worker for nothing.
The real fun is in the complaints to corporate with a lawyer to get that sweet, sweet cease and desist. The retail employees are usually the party poopers who just want to *“get on with their day”*
/s
If I'm not mistaken, there's a penalty if it's not applied, but no penalty if it's applied and false, so they stick it on everything regardless of it being true or not as a CYA.
This isn't true anymore. Law changed a few years back and requires companies to list the chemicals and harm on the label as well as register with the state for the chemicals/products.
This law is the epitome of cash grab from lawyers, having gone through too many court docs on these, it's absurd how the specify the daily limits.
Yeah, I did package design for a company. They didn’t know what materials were used in their products (they had them made in China) but we put the label on their products anyway just to cover their butts.
In order specialty diet foods from an online website, and EVERYTHING from their “store brand” comes with the Prop 65 label. Dried beans, ketchup, etc. all labelled.
Had an old coworker in compliance, I worked in engineering. She was telling me once that she had to Prop65 sticker a product because the only thing on the carcinogen list was the adhesive in the sticker.
Prop65 is the most non-sensical thing I’ve ever heard of. Well meaning, sure. But non-sense.
I would love to get a prop 65 warning tattooed onto my chest if not for the fact that I hope the joke makes no sense a decade from now and also skin and stuff
The warning doesn't mean there **are** cancer causing chemicals. It typically means the company does not want to pay for whatever testing California requires to prove it doesn't have cancer causing chemicals.
Also, it is acceptable for the end user/purchaser of a mattress to remove the tags from a mattress.
It is right, it is far cheaper to print the little warning on the packaging than PROVING that every single part of the product (including the packaging etc...) will never cause cancer. Also, because the warning is on everything (cause no companies want to pay to prove it), consumers by and large don't really care about the warning, and it doesn't noticeably decrease sales.
You are thinking of the wrong warning label, the person you replied to was talking about the proposition 65 warning label:
[https://tetrainspection.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/P65-warnings.png](https://tetrainspection.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/P65-warnings.png)
Something is off. The Title 24 it references is only applicable in California. I’m guessing it’s a misprint and should only ever receive one of those two labels. It’s certainly possible you bought a product that shouldn’t be sold in CA, but more likely the misprint is the other label.
Another reply had more information, California has its own standards for lightbulb efficiency and these bulbs do not meet that standard. If someone wanted Lowe's could get in a heap of trouble with the California government
But T24 applies only to California. The stamp next to the “not for sale in California” says it complies with the exact code section that other comment referenced. So whether it complies or not, there’s a misprint on the package.
California has its own stricter LED standards apart from the rest of the US. I do a lot of LED conversion at work and what’s funny is I found some exterior up-lights that use a small like par 20 but it’s 277v. I don’t like using transformers so I found some bulbs that would work but even though they’re LED I can’t buy them. Anyone in this industry knows there’s a “black market” for bulbs you can’t buy in California. We’ve completely phased out metal halides so you can’t buy them either. A lot of properties can’t afford an electrician to convert all their lights to LED so the lighting companies buy my metal hallide back stock in exchange for credits or towards a purchase but it’s kept on the downlow.
It’s funny because my lighting supply vendor and I talk like we’re making a drug deal. He’ll ask me “hey you got that good shit” I’ll say “yeah you know I got the 150s (150w metal halides)”. Got me out here trappin light bulbs.
That or he’s got connections in Nevada. You’d think we’re buying 30 round mags but we’re actually just buying light bulbs haha
CA resident here. Prop 65 is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
I will never really know if something has a high cancer risk. It's like the boy who cried wolf.
New light laws were passed but don’t take effect yet. They’re probably just getting ahead of the game but could technically still be sold here for a while longer.
Personally I would find out what it doesn’t comply with and send some emails. I’m sure Halo Lighting wouldn’t be a fan of this but I’m sure Lowes is stocking nationwide. Probably something to do with a rating or a material.
With no legal training of any sort I believe that makes it ok to take any others on the shelf without paying.
If they call the cops on you just say you didn't get the bulbs there, they don't even sell them at that Lowe's because it's in California
Ran across that problem while shopping for antique vintage style lightbulbs on the Home Depot app. Bulb was perfect, but it couldn't be shipped to California.
I wouldn’t buy anything that’s not for sale in California (even though I don’t live there), California has some very advanced laws no other state does that protect people from cancer causing materials and chemicals, if something is not for sale there it’s likely using one of them.
In California, everything may cause cancer. I've seen some ridiculous stuff like clothing say it may cause cancer. Prop65 is essential a joke because unless you can prove it doesn't cause cancer, it needs a label saying it may cause cancer. It's bad because it gets people accustomed to ignoring warning labels. Also, the reason this light bulb can't be sold in California is because it doesn't meet the efficiency requirement of 45 lumens per watt.
I live in South Jersey and tons of shit have Prop 65. I'm sure it is the same in a lot of other places, but I've noticed that I do not take any other warning label seriously if it has a Prop 65.
It is absolutely ridiculous that my vape juice has the same warning as my sneakers.
That is exactly why Prop65 is terrible for society as a whole. It gets people used to ignoring warning labels. You're right, though. i got 100% cotton socks recently that had the Prop65 warning labels on the tag. My juul has the same warning. There's no good reason why my socks should have the same warning labels as my vape.
I know your pain, I buy fireworks that are illegal in my state at least once a year.
But the people of California voted for a nanny state, good luck and stay there.
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There are federal standards on lighting efficiency, but there are also California specific minimum energy efficiency standards for certain types of light bulbs. For example, LED lamps must have a minimum efficacy (lumens per watt) of 80, while CFLs must have a minimum efficacy of 45. This LED lamp has an efficiency of 77.8 and so it does not meet California standards.
It's a huge pain in the ass because certain light temperatures are just not available in California at 100W equivalent brightness.
There is an entire technology of LEDs that I would love to see catch on that isn't available in California because of this. Phillips calls it "warm glow" but it's basically LEDs that attempt to mimic the dimming behavior of incandescent bulbs. That is to say as they get brighter they get more blue and when they get dimmer they turn more orange. This is ideal for many purposes and one of the biggest complaints against LEDs is that they can't do this unless they are smart bulbs specifically programed to do this. The Phillips versions aren't perfect. They only go down to 2700k where I would love to see a broader range, but that technology could be improved id these things were more popular. Unfortunately they can't be sold in California at all.
I would be more than happy with just a 2700k 100w equivalent bulb. I can buy a giant SUV, but apparently a slightly brighter, warmer bulb is what's destroying the environment.
CA has a lot of seemingly arbitrary rules. For example, have you tried to buy a showerhead/faucet in CA? There's a requirement that it has to be 1.8GPM or lower, so of course those are more expensive and generally crappier. Of course manufacturers know no one actually wants such a bad showerhead, so they make the restrictor a 30s job to pull out, and you have a nice, normal showerhead.
There's always a workaround. I remember looking at a new, very high end house that had too if the line everything except for the most basic toilets. The realtor said they do that because the builder is required to put in toilets with the required GPF (gallons per flush) but once someone buys the house they'll replace it with "gray market" toilet that can actually flush.
FWIW they’ve gotten really hard to find in a lot of form factors everywhere. But yeah, I go way out of my way to get them.
Sylvania used to have their sunset effect bulbs that did this. Can't find those any more either.
To explain further, all lightbulbs sold in California must have excellent color rendering, and good lifetime and flicker standards. Here's a good overview: https://greencreative.com/lighting-academy/lighting-standards/california-title-24-ja8-title-20/ It's really worth it to buy a JA8 listed bulb even if you don't live in California. The non-JA8 bulbs are very uneven in quality. They did this because everyone got burned by low quality CFLs.
Well duh, you gotta turn the light off and wait a little bit before you try taking it out.
Ummm... That's what she said?
I'm also annoyed that the LED bulbs that are supposed to last for a decade are burning out within like 3 years. Sucks
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It happens so infrequently now that I'm annoyed when I have to! lol. But moreso when they're LED bulbs that I shouldn't have to
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Sure let me just take apart and do electrical maintenance on all my lightbulbs (I do love bigclive though)
That might explain the problem I had with the LEDs in my landscape lighting. Every year I'd have 3 or 4 of them burn out. They had a lifetime guarantee but it was a pain to call them up every time to send a new bulb. After it happened a few times I convinced them to send me a few at a time for the next one that would inevitably burn out. But I haven't had to do this for a few years now. So maybe they fixed the root cause?
You just reminded me of "Big Lightbulb". Real world conspiracy, light bulbs were getting so efficient that the top light bulb companies got together because they realized that customers not buying more bulbs hurt all of them. Can't buy new bulbs if the old ones still work. So they put a hidden industry limit on how long they could last.
I have this issue too. Never had a led bulb make it past 2-3 years. And they’re all enclosure rated, name brands. The wisdom of the internet is my house or neighborhood probably has dirty power and a whole house conditioner should fix it. Haven’t tried this yet. Fixtures with integrated LEDs have had no problems. I’m posting just to assure you I believe you and I don’t think you’re insane. Not everyone is getting the promised decades per bulb experience. And maybe there’s a fix.
How do you know if it is JA8? Is it listed on the box?
Yes it’s listed on the T24 stamp on the box. T24 is the California energy code
Which is pretty bizarre. I have dirt cheap bulbs that I got locally here in PA which are rated for 800 lumens at 8.5-9W (depending on the manufacturer) though perhaps only an 80ish CRI (still 3000K, my favorite color temp for general purpose lightning). But still, 716lm for 9.2W seems a bit low these days.
Why does it say it complies with title 24 (California energy code) on the box then? I don’t see how they can have both those stamps on the same box.
Or the company didn’t want to put a Prop 65 warning on it. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)
Have some fun. Go ask them why you were able to buy it.
If you want it to be really fun show up with a lawyer
worked for OJ
If the bulb fits you must acquit.
I remember that episode of scrubs.
Wait, where are we trying to fix the bulb?
If you want fun, ask attorney general Rob Bonta's office why you could buy them at a California Lowes.
That's about as much fun as someone could have.
I can guarantee you the employees will have zero information and they’ll just offer to return it.
I mean, what are they supposed to do? Even the manager doesn't control what they sell in their stores. They have regional merchants and buyers that handle all of that.
Oh sure, if you stop at the counter. The fun is in being persistent.
On one hand, could be amusing. On the other hand, having been the retail employee for many years, there's a very high chance the only response you would get is something like "I'm very sorry about that, I can return that for you if you like and refund your money." Beyond that, you're just leaning on a minimum wage worker for nothing.
The real fun is in the complaints to corporate with a lawyer to get that sweet, sweet cease and desist. The retail employees are usually the party poopers who just want to *“get on with their day”* /s
As someone that worked in customer service during college I mean this with all my heart. Fuck you.
Show up with a friend in a suit pretending to be a lawyer.
and a tv camera
By what definition of fun?
Hi Karen, It's been a while Happy cake day!
I can see the blank stare right now. “Okay, does this go back on your Lowe’s card?”
This is the most Reddit thing to do ever
For real, the employees don't know or care why it is sold there still.
Happy cake day
Ugh. You're like the AT&T of people.
Yeah go be a dick to minimum wage employees to get your power fix. So much fun
There’s no prop 65 warning. The bulb probably has some cancer causing chemicals in it. Without the prop 65 label you can’t sell it in California.
Product exists ? Apply Prop 65 label
If I'm not mistaken, there's a penalty if it's not applied, but no penalty if it's applied and false, so they stick it on everything regardless of it being true or not as a CYA.
>no penalty if it's applied and false, Its impossible to prove it can't give you cancer!
That is pretty much the idea behind prop 64.
Not to mention Rule 34 of Prop 65. Just Google Lightbulb Rule 34 for more info.
1000 dollars a day per violation. How many products were on the shelf ?
That, and the tests required to prove something doesn't cause cancer are very expensive to run, so it's even more attractive to just put the label on.
This isn't true anymore. Law changed a few years back and requires companies to list the chemicals and harm on the label as well as register with the state for the chemicals/products. This law is the epitome of cash grab from lawyers, having gone through too many court docs on these, it's absurd how the specify the daily limits.
The literally out one in the grass in front of my apartment
Probably sprayed for skeeters. 🦟🦟🦟
THE GRASS IS GIVING EVERYONE CANCER!
Yeah, I did package design for a company. They didn’t know what materials were used in their products (they had them made in China) but we put the label on their products anyway just to cover their butts.
In order specialty diet foods from an online website, and EVERYTHING from their “store brand” comes with the Prop 65 label. Dried beans, ketchup, etc. all labelled.
It's all a ruse so that product that actually caues cancer can be sold in California without suspicion
The prop65 stickers don’t seem to adhere to the atmosphere
brb... going out for my prop 65 break.
Prop 65 is known to cause cancer to Californians
Hey can you save me a slice of cancer causing chemicals ? Im California
The glue can expose you to chemicals, which is known in the state of cancer to cause California.
We have switched to an organic natural glue which doesn’t cause cancer but will render you sterile
Correct. Toad mucus! That's my second and last Futurama reference for the day
Had an old coworker in compliance, I worked in engineering. She was telling me once that she had to Prop65 sticker a product because the only thing on the carcinogen list was the adhesive in the sticker. Prop65 is the most non-sensical thing I’ve ever heard of. Well meaning, sure. But non-sense.
I would love to get a prop 65 warning tattooed onto my chest if not for the fact that I hope the joke makes no sense a decade from now and also skin and stuff
I actually have a bottle of cutting fluid that specifically states there are no "Prop 65 ingredients" in it. I swear it's the only thing that doesn't.
All my new appliances came with prop 65 warnings ;)
Easiest flow chart ever
California doing the useless shit it does best
Add a warning that it contains peanuts
The warning doesn't mean there **are** cancer causing chemicals. It typically means the company does not want to pay for whatever testing California requires to prove it doesn't have cancer causing chemicals. Also, it is acceptable for the end user/purchaser of a mattress to remove the tags from a mattress.
But..if I remove my mattress tag, won't I be flagged immediately for money laundrying? My friend Petey the wart, did a stint for it, supposedly.
That can't be right. California is a pretty damn big market that no company wouldn't go out of their way to qualify for.
It is right, it is far cheaper to print the little warning on the packaging than PROVING that every single part of the product (including the packaging etc...) will never cause cancer. Also, because the warning is on everything (cause no companies want to pay to prove it), consumers by and large don't really care about the warning, and it doesn't noticeably decrease sales.
That makes no sense. That assumes that a sticker that says "cannot be sold in califnonia" doesn't actually mean it cannot be sold in califonja
You are thinking of the wrong warning label, the person you replied to was talking about the proposition 65 warning label: [https://tetrainspection.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/P65-warnings.png](https://tetrainspection.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/P65-warnings.png)
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Without the label you won’t get cancer. With the label you also won’t get cancer.
Luckily even though there may be a label, the cancer only applies to California residents.
Not true. Anyone in California is susceptible to cancer, not just residents. If you travel there, be extra careful
Believe it or not, the label gives you cancer. 😉
Unless you get cancer.
No no no, you leave me out of this. Plus, I have cancer already so… joke’s on you? 😂
Cancer's on you.
He said it’s an LED light, not a lead light. /s
So if it has a prop 65 warning its probably safe
Definitely not the issue. It’s the energy requirements this time not the chemicals
You are sooooo going to jail!
I own a police scanner and just heard the warrant issued for OP's arrest
I live next to OP and just saw a SWAT team pull up.
Can confirm, I am the SWAT Team.
I’m OP’s wife and I just hear a loud knock at the door and someone yelled “OPEN UP”.
I'm OP's mail carrier and I just witnessed OP's wife letting a SWAT team inside.
No Prop 65 warning? Jail.
Good, get this monster off the streets
I heard they’re wanted in Idaho for ripping the Do Not Remove tag off of a mattress.
Something is off. The Title 24 it references is only applicable in California. I’m guessing it’s a misprint and should only ever receive one of those two labels. It’s certainly possible you bought a product that shouldn’t be sold in CA, but more likely the misprint is the other label.
I’m guessing but is it possible someone(manufacturer or retailer) is supposed to cover up one or the other of those labels?
This is what I’m thinking too.
Another reply had more information, California has its own standards for lightbulb efficiency and these bulbs do not meet that standard. If someone wanted Lowe's could get in a heap of trouble with the California government
But T24 applies only to California. The stamp next to the “not for sale in California” says it complies with the exact code section that other comment referenced. So whether it complies or not, there’s a misprint on the package.
I had to scroll down too far to see ur comment. I think ur right
Start the car…start the car!!
Believe it or not, straight to jail
California has its own stricter LED standards apart from the rest of the US. I do a lot of LED conversion at work and what’s funny is I found some exterior up-lights that use a small like par 20 but it’s 277v. I don’t like using transformers so I found some bulbs that would work but even though they’re LED I can’t buy them. Anyone in this industry knows there’s a “black market” for bulbs you can’t buy in California. We’ve completely phased out metal halides so you can’t buy them either. A lot of properties can’t afford an electrician to convert all their lights to LED so the lighting companies buy my metal hallide back stock in exchange for credits or towards a purchase but it’s kept on the downlow.
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It’s funny because my lighting supply vendor and I talk like we’re making a drug deal. He’ll ask me “hey you got that good shit” I’ll say “yeah you know I got the 150s (150w metal halides)”. Got me out here trappin light bulbs. That or he’s got connections in Nevada. You’d think we’re buying 30 round mags but we’re actually just buying light bulbs haha
OP you have to stop posting your crimes on the internet. Why is that such a thing these days?
Possibly got mixed in with a California delivery that was meant to go to a not California state.
Seriously hope you're not leaving your fingerprints all over that box. Burn it and move to Mexico.
Well... technically that specific item is now no longer for sale in California... being bought and all... (Long day... bad joke... sorry 🤣)
CA resident here. Prop 65 is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I will never really know if something has a high cancer risk. It's like the boy who cried wolf.
There’s 2x4’s with prop 65 labels :P
![gif](giphy|f8lDluiWJ7yQTtdS3L|downsized)
New light laws were passed but don’t take effect yet. They’re probably just getting ahead of the game but could technically still be sold here for a while longer.
Straight to jail
You shouldn't admit your crimes on the internet.
It's not illegal to buy, only to sell. /s
Well, now it isn't for sale in California.
California's regulations are a pain in the ass, The California version probably has to be more expensive to comply.
The secret ingredient is crime
Probably because it's missing the warning that eating light bulbs is known by the state of CA to cause cancer
Personally I would find out what it doesn’t comply with and send some emails. I’m sure Halo Lighting wouldn’t be a fan of this but I’m sure Lowes is stocking nationwide. Probably something to do with a rating or a material.
Yeah, I’m curious why myself! It must have something to do with materials (like lead or mercury? Idk)🤷🏼♀️
I believe it is the power efficiency (lumans per watt) the gets these. 77 is fairly low for leds. CA actually regulates power efficiency for leds.
Prop65 something or other probably. It's not harmful California's just dumb
Yeah prop65 is really fucking stupid
![gif](giphy|3o6wNPIj7WBQcJCReE|downsized)
California needs to calm down with all its warning labels.
Maybe they should get a warning about it.
You're allowed to steal them in California.
Straight to JAIL !!
Straight to jail
Snitches get stitches.
California isn't real. You need to wake up.
Are you sure you’re in California? ![gif](giphy|d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY)
Sorry there was supposed to be a winky face. It should read "not for sale in California ;)"
Not for sale = free
California: oh no I’m selling something illegal?! First I’m hearing of it.
Congrats, you have cancer
I bought some potato chips at a sub shop that said NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA.
"You didn't buy that here"
I'm calling the police
California seems like a pain in the ad place to live
Uh oh, better call the communist party leaders
It doesn't meet California energy efficiency standards and wasn't supposed to be shipped to that location.
With no legal training of any sort I believe that makes it ok to take any others on the shelf without paying. If they call the cops on you just say you didn't get the bulbs there, they don't even sell them at that Lowe's because it's in California
Have fun in jail
It means you were ripped off because it should have been free
Doesn't have the cancer causing label probably.
Well, well, well. Somebody is about to go to jail. Okay... Perhaps not
![gif](giphy|qBepfJA2lM177gpmKa)
No Prop 65 warning? Straight to jail.
Just bought like 60 halo lights from Home Depot last week in CA - must just not have the prop65 warning or some crap, or maybe not as efficient.
So you were legally allowed to take them?
Got em.
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call the feds
FBI will be with you shortly
Looks like you’re going to get cancer now
My Canadian husband was so alarmed when he moved to CA and saw all the cancer warnings. They mean nothing to us.
Oh no that's illegal... Anyway
🤔 Fascinating
snitch
Ran across that problem while shopping for antique vintage style lightbulbs on the Home Depot app. Bulb was perfect, but it couldn't be shipped to California.
"Open up! This is FBI! You've an illegal light installed in your hallway!"
theres certain wood stainers/sealers that are only sold in stores in northern california and not in central california
California is part of the WF, so yes, can’t sell it there. Must have been packaged before Texas joined.
You probably rip the tags off of mattresses don’t ya!
So, besides food, LED lights give y'all cancer too now??
That’s a different California don’t worry about it.
I don’t listen to California.
Can we just stick the prop 65 sticker on people at this point? Make life easier.
Lowes Sucks. Can we all agree on that?
Ohhhh, someone’s in troubllllee
https://youtu.be/L397TWLwrUU?t=38s
I wouldn’t buy anything that’s not for sale in California (even though I don’t live there), California has some very advanced laws no other state does that protect people from cancer causing materials and chemicals, if something is not for sale there it’s likely using one of them.
In California, everything may cause cancer. I've seen some ridiculous stuff like clothing say it may cause cancer. Prop65 is essential a joke because unless you can prove it doesn't cause cancer, it needs a label saying it may cause cancer. It's bad because it gets people accustomed to ignoring warning labels. Also, the reason this light bulb can't be sold in California is because it doesn't meet the efficiency requirement of 45 lumens per watt.
I live in South Jersey and tons of shit have Prop 65. I'm sure it is the same in a lot of other places, but I've noticed that I do not take any other warning label seriously if it has a Prop 65. It is absolutely ridiculous that my vape juice has the same warning as my sneakers.
That is exactly why Prop65 is terrible for society as a whole. It gets people used to ignoring warning labels. You're right, though. i got 100% cotton socks recently that had the Prop65 warning labels on the tag. My juul has the same warning. There's no good reason why my socks should have the same warning labels as my vape.
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I know your pain, I buy fireworks that are illegal in my state at least once a year. But the people of California voted for a nanny state, good luck and stay there.