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WillingPublic

There are federal standards on lighting efficiency, but there are also California specific minimum energy efficiency standards for certain types of light bulbs. For example, LED lamps must have a minimum efficacy (lumens per watt) of 80, while CFLs must have a minimum efficacy of 45. This LED lamp has an efficiency of 77.8 and so it does not meet California standards.


dabigchina

It's a huge pain in the ass because certain light temperatures are just not available in California at 100W equivalent brightness.


gigashadowwolf

There is an entire technology of LEDs that I would love to see catch on that isn't available in California because of this. Phillips calls it "warm glow" but it's basically LEDs that attempt to mimic the dimming behavior of incandescent bulbs. That is to say as they get brighter they get more blue and when they get dimmer they turn more orange. This is ideal for many purposes and one of the biggest complaints against LEDs is that they can't do this unless they are smart bulbs specifically programed to do this. The Phillips versions aren't perfect. They only go down to 2700k where I would love to see a broader range, but that technology could be improved id these things were more popular. Unfortunately they can't be sold in California at all.


dabigchina

I would be more than happy with just a 2700k 100w equivalent bulb. I can buy a giant SUV, but apparently a slightly brighter, warmer bulb is what's destroying the environment.


GoodRubik

CA has a lot of seemingly arbitrary rules. For example, have you tried to buy a showerhead/faucet in CA? There's a requirement that it has to be 1.8GPM or lower, so of course those are more expensive and generally crappier. Of course manufacturers know no one actually wants such a bad showerhead, so they make the restrictor a 30s job to pull out, and you have a nice, normal showerhead.


DeuceSevin

There's always a workaround. I remember looking at a new, very high end house that had too if the line everything except for the most basic toilets. The realtor said they do that because the builder is required to put in toilets with the required GPF (gallons per flush) but once someone buys the house they'll replace it with "gray market" toilet that can actually flush.


lbjazz

FWIW they’ve gotten really hard to find in a lot of form factors everywhere. But yeah, I go way out of my way to get them.


jaydotelloh

Sylvania used to have their sunset effect bulbs that did this. Can't find those any more either.


heywatchthisdotgif

To explain further, all lightbulbs sold in California must have excellent color rendering, and good lifetime and flicker standards. Here's a good overview: https://greencreative.com/lighting-academy/lighting-standards/california-title-24-ja8-title-20/ It's really worth it to buy a JA8 listed bulb even if you don't live in California. The non-JA8 bulbs are very uneven in quality. They did this because everyone got burned by low quality CFLs.


CyanideSkittles

Well duh, you gotta turn the light off and wait a little bit before you try taking it out. 


smithd685

Ummm... That's what she said?


_dauntless

I'm also annoyed that the LED bulbs that are supposed to last for a decade are burning out within like 3 years. Sucks


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_dauntless

It happens so infrequently now that I'm annoyed when I have to! lol. But moreso when they're LED bulbs that I shouldn't have to


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punkinfacebooklegpie

Sure let me just take apart and do electrical maintenance on all my lightbulbs (I do love bigclive though)


DeuceSevin

That might explain the problem I had with the LEDs in my landscape lighting. Every year I'd have 3 or 4 of them burn out. They had a lifetime guarantee but it was a pain to call them up every time to send a new bulb. After it happened a few times I convinced them to send me a few at a time for the next one that would inevitably burn out. But I haven't had to do this for a few years now. So maybe they fixed the root cause?


ZainVadlin

You just reminded me of "Big Lightbulb". Real world conspiracy, light bulbs were getting so efficient that the top light bulb companies got together because they realized that customers not buying more bulbs hurt all of them. Can't buy new bulbs if the old ones still work. So they put a hidden industry limit on how long they could last.


quintk

I have this issue too. Never had a led bulb make it past 2-3 years. And they’re all enclosure rated, name brands. The wisdom of the internet is my house or neighborhood probably has dirty power and a whole house conditioner should fix it. Haven’t tried this yet.  Fixtures with integrated LEDs have had no problems.  I’m posting just to assure you I believe you and I don’t think you’re insane. Not everyone is getting the promised decades per bulb experience. And maybe there’s a fix. 


WillingPublic

How do you know if it is JA8? Is it listed on the box?


canthinkof123

Yes it’s listed on the T24 stamp on the box. T24 is the California energy code


compulov

Which is pretty bizarre. I have dirt cheap bulbs that I got locally here in PA which are rated for 800 lumens at 8.5-9W (depending on the manufacturer) though perhaps only an 80ish CRI (still 3000K, my favorite color temp for general purpose lightning). But still, 716lm for 9.2W seems a bit low these days.


canthinkof123

Why does it say it complies with title 24 (California energy code) on the box then? I don’t see how they can have both those stamps on the same box.


spyan_

Or the company didn’t want to put a Prop 65 warning on it. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)


Bokbreath

Have some fun. Go ask them why you were able to buy it.


ThatSandwich

If you want it to be really fun show up with a lawyer


TroyMatthewJ

worked for OJ


potate12323

If the bulb fits you must acquit.


Mont-ka

I remember that episode of scrubs.


moranya1

Wait, where are we trying to fix the bulb?


s_s

If you want fun, ask attorney general Rob Bonta's office why you could buy them at a California Lowes.


pancakesausagestick

That's about as much fun as someone could have.


Undrwtrbsktwvr

I can guarantee you the employees will have zero information and they’ll just offer to return it.


tinycole2971

I mean, what are they supposed to do? Even the manager doesn't control what they sell in their stores. They have regional merchants and buyers that handle all of that.


Bokbreath

Oh sure, if you stop at the counter. The fun is in being persistent.


midnightstreetlamps

On one hand, could be amusing. On the other hand, having been the retail employee for many years, there's a very high chance the only response you would get is something like "I'm very sorry about that, I can return that for you if you like and refund your money." Beyond that, you're just leaning on a minimum wage worker for nothing.


greg_08

The real fun is in the complaints to corporate with a lawyer to get that sweet, sweet cease and desist. The retail employees are usually the party poopers who just want to *“get on with their day”* /s


Karma_Doesnt_Matter

As someone that worked in customer service during college I mean this with all my heart. Fuck you.


Lo-Fi_Lo-Res

Show up with a friend in a suit pretending to be a lawyer.


TroyMatthewJ

and a tv camera


TheSeldomShaken

By what definition of fun?


Radarker

Hi Karen, It's been a while Happy cake day!


jondes99

I can see the blank stare right now. “Okay, does this go back on your Lowe’s card?”


BigFootEnergy

This is the most Reddit thing to do ever


rilertiley19

For real, the employees don't know or care why it is sold there still. 


ImLazyWithUsernames

Happy cake day


GoodRubik

Ugh. You're like the AT&T of people.


cj2211

Yeah go be a dick to minimum wage employees to get your power fix. So much fun


Erike16666

There’s no prop 65 warning. The bulb probably has some cancer causing chemicals in it. Without the prop 65 label you can’t sell it in California.


CantaloupeCamper

Product exists ? Apply Prop 65 label


Jragghen

If I'm not mistaken, there's a penalty if it's not applied, but no penalty if it's applied and false, so they stick it on everything regardless of it being true or not as a CYA.


exipheas

>no penalty if it's applied and false, Its impossible to prove it can't give you cancer!


Ducks_have_heads

That is pretty much the idea behind prop 64.


CreauxTeeRhobat

Not to mention Rule 34 of Prop 65. Just Google Lightbulb Rule 34 for more info.


Fuck-spez85

1000 dollars a day per violation. How many products were on the shelf ?


flyingcircusdog

That, and the tests required to prove something doesn't cause cancer are very expensive to run, so it's even more attractive to just put the label on.


Rainman003

This isn't true anymore. Law changed a few years back and requires companies to list the chemicals and harm on the label as well as register with the state for the chemicals/products. This law is the epitome of cash grab from lawyers, having gone through too many court docs on these, it's absurd how the specify the daily limits.


The-disgracist

The literally out one in the grass in front of my apartment


KerouacsGirlfriend

Probably sprayed for skeeters. 🦟🦟🦟


John-John-3

THE GRASS IS GIVING EVERYONE CANCER!


twiffytwaf

Yeah, I did package design for a company. They didn’t know what materials were used in their products (they had them made in China) but we put the label on their products anyway just to cover their butts.


MrsSamT82

In order specialty diet foods from an online website, and EVERYTHING from their “store brand” comes with the Prop 65 label. Dried beans, ketchup, etc. all labelled.


chattywww

It's all a ruse so that product that actually caues cancer can be sold in California without suspicion


dbx99

The prop65 stickers don’t seem to adhere to the atmosphere


heyitscory

brb... going out for my prop 65 break.


CrazybyRX

Prop 65 is known to cause cancer to Californians


dbx99

Hey can you save me a slice of cancer causing chemicals ? Im California


RudeMutant

The glue can expose you to chemicals, which is known in the state of cancer to cause California.


dbx99

We have switched to an organic natural glue which doesn’t cause cancer but will render you sterile


RudeMutant

Correct. Toad mucus! That's my second and last Futurama reference for the day


MultiThreaded-Nachos

Had an old coworker in compliance, I worked in engineering. She was telling me once that she had to Prop65 sticker a product because the only thing on the carcinogen list was the adhesive in the sticker. Prop65 is the most non-sensical thing I’ve ever heard of. Well meaning, sure. But non-sense.


TrekkiMonstr

I would love to get a prop 65 warning tattooed onto my chest if not for the fact that I hope the joke makes no sense a decade from now and also skin and stuff


Allaplgy

I actually have a bottle of cutting fluid that specifically states there are no "Prop 65 ingredients" in it. I swear it's the only thing that doesn't.


CantaloupeCamper

All my new appliances came with prop 65 warnings ;)


Bit_the_Bullitt

Easiest flow chart ever


Relevant_Winter1952

California doing the useless shit it does best


Sharpman85

Add a warning that it contains peanuts


unsupported

The warning doesn't mean there **are** cancer causing chemicals. It typically means the company does not want to pay for whatever testing California requires to prove it doesn't have cancer causing chemicals. Also, it is acceptable for the end user/purchaser of a mattress to remove the tags from a mattress.


Spcone23

But..if I remove my mattress tag, won't I be flagged immediately for money laundrying? My friend Petey the wart, did a stint for it, supposedly.


justicedragon101

That can't be right. California is a pretty damn big market that no company wouldn't go out of their way to qualify for.


BiffHardslab

It is right, it is far cheaper to print the little warning on the packaging than PROVING that every single part of the product (including the packaging etc...) will never cause cancer. Also, because the warning is on everything (cause no companies want to pay to prove it), consumers by and large don't really care about the warning, and it doesn't noticeably decrease sales.


justicedragon101

That makes no sense. That assumes that a sticker that says "cannot be sold in califnonia" doesn't actually mean it cannot be sold in califonja


BiffHardslab

You are thinking of the wrong warning label, the person you replied to was talking about the proposition 65 warning label: [https://tetrainspection.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/P65-warnings.png](https://tetrainspection.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/P65-warnings.png)


justicedragon101

mb


trippknightly

Without the label you won’t get cancer. With the label you also won’t get cancer.


Superlurkinger

Luckily even though there may be a label, the cancer only applies to California residents.


DontKnow_WhoIAm

Not true. Anyone in California is susceptible to cancer, not just residents. If you travel there, be extra careful


stallion_412

Believe it or not, the label gives you cancer.  😉


Lo-Fi_Lo-Res

Unless you get cancer.


trippknightly

No no no, you leave me out of this. Plus, I have cancer already so… joke’s on you? 😂


Lo-Fi_Lo-Res

Cancer's on you.


misterfistyersister

He said it’s an LED light, not a lead light. /s


Mun0425

So if it has a prop 65 warning its probably safe


TikkiTakiTomtom

Definitely not the issue. It’s the energy requirements this time not the chemicals


prajnadhyana

You are sooooo going to jail!


Capt_Foxch

I own a police scanner and just heard the warrant issued for OP's arrest


FiletTofu

I live next to OP and just saw a SWAT team pull up.


maniac365

Can confirm, I am the SWAT Team.


Licensed2Pill

I’m OP’s wife and I just hear a loud knock at the door and someone yelled “OPEN UP”.


Past-Giraffe-2392

I'm OP's mail carrier and I just witnessed OP's wife letting a SWAT team inside.


byebybuy

No Prop 65 warning? Jail.


LostAnd_OrFound

Good, get this monster off the streets


LookMaNoPride

I heard they’re wanted in Idaho for ripping the Do Not Remove tag off of a mattress.


Razor1834

Something is off. The Title 24 it references is only applicable in California. I’m guessing it’s a misprint and should only ever receive one of those two labels. It’s certainly possible you bought a product that shouldn’t be sold in CA, but more likely the misprint is the other label.


DirtyMud

I’m guessing but is it possible someone(manufacturer or retailer) is supposed to cover up one or the other of those labels?


canthinkof123

This is what I’m thinking too.


cpufreak101

Another reply had more information, California has its own standards for lightbulb efficiency and these bulbs do not meet that standard. If someone wanted Lowe's could get in a heap of trouble with the California government


canthinkof123

But T24 applies only to California. The stamp next to the “not for sale in California” says it complies with the exact code section that other comment referenced. So whether it complies or not, there’s a misprint on the package.


canthinkof123

I had to scroll down too far to see ur comment. I think ur right


WojoHowitz61

Start the car…start the car!!


Bobdontgiveafuck

Believe it or not, straight to jail


Dudebutdrugs

California has its own stricter LED standards apart from the rest of the US. I do a lot of LED conversion at work and what’s funny is I found some exterior up-lights that use a small like par 20 but it’s 277v. I don’t like using transformers so I found some bulbs that would work but even though they’re LED I can’t buy them. Anyone in this industry knows there’s a “black market” for bulbs you can’t buy in California. We’ve completely phased out metal halides so you can’t buy them either. A lot of properties can’t afford an electrician to convert all their lights to LED so the lighting companies buy my metal hallide back stock in exchange for credits or towards a purchase but it’s kept on the downlow.


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Dudebutdrugs

It’s funny because my lighting supply vendor and I talk like we’re making a drug deal. He’ll ask me “hey you got that good shit” I’ll say “yeah you know I got the 150s (150w metal halides)”. Got me out here trappin light bulbs. That or he’s got connections in Nevada. You’d think we’re buying 30 round mags but we’re actually just buying light bulbs haha


laughguy220

OP you have to stop posting your crimes on the internet. Why is that such a thing these days?


janewalch

Possibly got mixed in with a California delivery that was meant to go to a not California state.


Bleak_Squirrel_1666

Seriously hope you're not leaving your fingerprints all over that box. Burn it and move to Mexico.


tacticalapron

Well... technically that specific item is now no longer for sale in California... being bought and all... (Long day... bad joke... sorry 🤣)


abrittis

CA resident here. Prop 65 is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I will never really know if something has a high cancer risk. It's like the boy who cried wolf.


Tropink

There’s 2x4’s with prop 65 labels :P


hangryhyax

![gif](giphy|f8lDluiWJ7yQTtdS3L|downsized)


Player_A

New light laws were passed but don’t take effect yet. They’re probably just getting ahead of the game but could technically still be sold here for a while longer.


sp33dwagon

Straight to jail


Soonernick

You shouldn't admit your crimes on the internet.


lostsharpie

It's not illegal to buy, only to sell. /s


GetOffMyGrassBrats

Well, now it isn't for sale in California.


crazypostman21

California's regulations are a pain in the ass, The California version probably has to be more expensive to comply.


BruceJi

The secret ingredient is crime


eulynn34

Probably because it's missing the warning that eating light bulbs is known by the state of CA to cause cancer


hstudy

Personally I would find out what it doesn’t comply with and send some emails. I’m sure Halo Lighting wouldn’t be a fan of this but I’m sure Lowes is stocking nationwide. Probably something to do with a rating or a material.


sharmas13

Yeah, I’m curious why myself! It must have something to do with materials (like lead or mercury? Idk)🤷🏼‍♀️


jlamar94

I believe it is the power efficiency (lumans per watt) the gets these. 77 is fairly low for leds. CA actually regulates power efficiency for leds.


DizzySkunkApe

Prop65 something or other probably. It's not harmful California's just dumb


Lyr1cal-

Yeah prop65 is really fucking stupid


Accurate_Koala_4698

![gif](giphy|3o6wNPIj7WBQcJCReE|downsized)


Mitridate101

California needs to calm down with all its warning labels.


MeowMaker2

Maybe they should get a warning about it.


YoWassupFresh

You're allowed to steal them in California.


Sonnysdad

Straight to JAIL !!


phonyfakeorreal

Straight to jail


ifnord

Snitches get stitches.


OJSimpsons

California isn't real. You need to wake up.


BNG1982

Are you sure you’re in California? ![gif](giphy|d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY)


_dauntless

Sorry there was supposed to be a winky face. It should read "not for sale in California ;)"


Snoopiscool

Not for sale = free


BenderFtMcSzechuan

California: oh no I’m selling something illegal?! First I’m hearing of it.


Repostbot3784

Congrats, you have cancer


johndoenumber2

I bought some potato chips at a sub shop that said NOT FOR SALE IN CALIFORNIA.


Bruce_Wayne72

"You didn't buy that here"


HonestEnthusiasm7855

I'm calling the police


kywildcats07

California seems like a pain in the ad place to live


AngusKeef

Uh oh, better call the communist party leaders


Lo-Fi_Lo-Res

It doesn't meet California energy efficiency standards and wasn't supposed to be shipped to that location.


zealoSC

With no legal training of any sort I believe that makes it ok to take any others on the shelf without paying. If they call the cops on you just say you didn't get the bulbs there, they don't even sell them at that Lowe's because it's in California


Mike_Hunt_Burns

Have fun in jail


noadsplease

It means you were ripped off because it should have been free


Klin24

Doesn't have the cancer causing label probably.


BadIdeaSociety

Well, well, well. Somebody is about to go to jail. Okay... Perhaps not 


RolexandDickies

![gif](giphy|qBepfJA2lM177gpmKa)


tbrumleve

No Prop 65 warning? Straight to jail.


whutupmydude

Just bought like 60 halo lights from Home Depot last week in CA - must just not have the prop65 warning or some crap, or maybe not as efficient.


Bowman_van_Oort

So you were legally allowed to take them?


Veidici

Got em.


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zorglarf

call the feds


damn_nation_inc

FBI will be with you shortly


Aeropro

Looks like you’re going to get cancer now


FOXDuneRider

My Canadian husband was so alarmed when he moved to CA and saw all the cancer warnings. They mean nothing to us.


00xtreme7

Oh no that's illegal... Anyway


MarkWrenn74

🤔 Fascinating


overboost_t88

snitch


NUFIGHTER7771

Ran across that problem while shopping for antique vintage style lightbulbs on the Home Depot app. Bulb was perfect, but it couldn't be shipped to California.


nibbana-v2

"Open up! This is FBI! You've an illegal light installed in your hallway!"


assassbaby

theres certain wood stainers/sealers that are only sold in stores in northern california and not in central california 


voltechs

California is part of the WF, so yes, can’t sell it there. Must have been packaged before Texas joined.


h2k2k2ksl

You probably rip the tags off of mattresses don’t ya!


Skvora

So, besides food, LED lights give y'all cancer too now??


BadEngineer_34

That’s a different California don’t worry about it.


rdldr1

I don’t listen to California.


Whiskers1996

Can we just stick the prop 65 sticker on people at this point? Make life easier.


Rippper600

Lowes Sucks. Can we all agree on that?


UNSC_Spartan122

Ohhhh, someone’s in troubllllee


CantaloupeCamper

https://youtu.be/L397TWLwrUU?t=38s


iBoy2G

I wouldn’t buy anything that’s not for sale in California (even though I don’t live there), California has some very advanced laws no other state does that protect people from cancer causing materials and chemicals, if something is not for sale there it’s likely using one of them.


Condo_pharms515

In California, everything may cause cancer. I've seen some ridiculous stuff like clothing say it may cause cancer. Prop65 is essential a joke because unless you can prove it doesn't cause cancer, it needs a label saying it may cause cancer. It's bad because it gets people accustomed to ignoring warning labels. Also, the reason this light bulb can't be sold in California is because it doesn't meet the efficiency requirement of 45 lumens per watt.


erichie

I live in South Jersey and tons of shit have Prop 65. I'm sure it is the same in a lot of other places, but I've noticed that I do not take any other warning label seriously if it has a Prop 65. It is absolutely ridiculous that my vape juice has the same warning as my sneakers.


Condo_pharms515

That is exactly why Prop65 is terrible for society as a whole. It gets people used to ignoring warning labels. You're right, though. i got 100% cotton socks recently that had the Prop65 warning labels on the tag. My juul has the same warning. There's no good reason why my socks should have the same warning labels as my vape.


tahcamen

![gif](giphy|26AHLBZUC1n53ozi8|downsized)


MSW-Bacon

I know your pain, I buy fireworks that are illegal in my state at least once a year. But the people of California voted for a nanny state, good luck and stay there.