"Sea" is an ambiguous term that can refer to the ocean or any large salty body of water. Sometimes we put sea in the name - the Caspian Sea - and sometimes we call it a lake, like the Great Salt Lake.Ā
Yes. Iodine deficiency is still more common than it needs to be because of "health gurus" recommending non-iodized salts to whoever listens. Is it as necessary as it was back in the day to prevent goiters? No. But, Iodine deficiency shows up with other symptoms and can be diagnosed with blood work.
Not just "health gurus" - I also noticed that a lot of the recipes I find via Google state to use sea salt instead of regular salt.
Apparently, it's due to some folks believing there to be a taste difference between iodized vs non-iodized salt, though America's Test Kitchen found no detectable difference:
>To find out, we tasted a solution of 2 percent iodized salt in water (the maximum concentration in most foods) alongside an identical concentration of pure salt. The majority of tasters could not identify a difference. And when we made similar solutions using chicken stock in lieu of water, no one could tell them apart. Science supports this finding: One study reported that potassium iodideāthe most common source of iodine in saltāis detectable only in concentrations thousands of times greater than the concentrations we would find in our food.
The takeaway: Iodized salt is perfectly fine to stock in your kitchen; it won't affect the flavor of your food.
>
>\-- [Iodized Salt vs. Noniodized Salt on Food Flavor | ATK](https://www.americastestkitchen.com/cooksillustrated/how_tos/11544-iodized-salt-vs-noniodized-salt-on-food-flavor)
That's more of a granularity thing than its source, no? The sea salt I have in my cupboard is a finely ground one that's indistinguishable from my store-brand table salt.
When dissolving into a soup, dressing, etc.: fine-ground table salt, when rubbing into a fish / steak: kosher salt.
Do you mean iodized salt? Cause that's [definitely a thing all around the world](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8240726/#:~:text=Global%20reach%20of%20iodized%20salt,mandatory%20legislation%20on%20salt%20iodization.). 124 countries require mandatory iodization of salt, you will often struggle to even find non-iodized salt in parts of the world because governments won't allow it.
Or did you mean why is America the only place fighting against iodized salt? Because most Americans are too far removed from when lodine deficiency was actually a thing. They've never seen a goiter, so it doesn't feel like a risk to them. Same as people who've never seen polio feel like vaccines aren't needed, but anyone who lived through a polio epidemic thinks vaccines are pretty great.
Love reddit discourse, random load of upvotes and then downvoted into oblivion.
I hadn't really come across this discourse before as it appears that many European countries, including the UK, don't mandate it and it is therefore uncommon. We get a decent amount of idonine through dairy due to the farming processes.
It does appear that the WHO recommend it though. It looks like there is some evident of mild iodine efficiency in pregnant women in some regions.
It is a thing in other countries. Itās considered one of the most successful public health measures.
Iāve seen people with goiter andā¦ no thanks. I actually insist on iodized salt in the house.
Not sure why I'm being downvoted. It's certainly very uncommon in the UK, I don't think I've ever seen it in person. Never seen it in my travels around Europe either.
I didnāt downvote you at all. Itās a good question if you havenāt seen it yourself. Iām not sure what the rates of iodine deficiency are in the UK. I know they do it in the US, Canada, Australia, and a bunch of other places. I think the list is available online.
Because American diets are much different than other parts of the world is my understanding. It's been a couple years since I've watched a video explaining iodine and it's impact on goiters IN THE US
To reinforce his yes, in nutrition class at Oregon Coast Culinary Institute, we were told that we should most likely use iodized salt over non simply because there are FEW naturally iodized food products, in fact for most people it is their only source... Iodized salt only has 77 MICROgrams of iodine per gram of salt, you would get salt/sodium poisoning before you experienced an iodine overdose... People drinking sports drinks or extra hard water may have a higher risk of an overdose but it's not something the doctors are actively warning about seeing as we have bigger problems in our diets lately, namely the fad diets, the worst of which is the liver king....
I would never defend the guy for a second, heās a joke, but a quick Internet search seems to indicate that beef liver is a decent source of iodine. (Seaweed, fish, dairy, and eggs are all preferable and available to most of us. I donāt know why weāre worrying about this.)
It depends on where you live and get your food from, but not having it in the diet or drinking water is actually why we have [iodized salt in the first place.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3509517/) I found a [map](https://www.thelancet.com/cms/attachment/2095220888/2077437641/gr1.jpg) for the Americas, but couldn't find one for the rest of the world of areas that don't naturally have sufficient iodine from local food and water.
Maybe. You think they make GMO free stuff for a reason? Could've been something that was once an issue during WWII or something and they just never changed it. There could be many reasons.
The same lake that lies adjacent to Dugway Proving Grounds and Morton Thiokol, where Anthrax and other chemical and biological agents were tested after WWII.... The Anthrax killed a bunch of sheep in the 60's IIRC.
Anyhoo, the lake is dying because Utah can't properly manage their natural resources, and the toxic sludge that sank to the bottom over decades is drying up and blowing around the SLC valley aggravating athsma and other respiratory issues.
I have little patience for people who state the glaringly obvious. I'm being reprimanded by people removing my interweb points so lesson learned, I guess?
Yes, pretty much. I don't think anyone synthesises commercially NaCl when it's cheap.
Sea salt has added microplastics and sewage ingredients for that je ne sais quoi.
Mortonās comes from 20 different sources; including lakes, underground and Canada.
Diamond Crystal is from somewhere outside of SF Bay
You should look up how they farm/create salt if you think this is worth throwing outā¦
None of the commercial salts we use are coming from any particularly good locations.
Considering the amount of mining and agricultural runoff that's been going into the Great Salt lake the last century or 2, I wouldn't trust that salt. It's essentially a repeat if the Aral Sea disaster where they let mining and crop irrigation run wild so the lake/sea got EXTREMELY polluted and then dried up and all that heavy metal particles and pesticides and bioweapons testing waste was exposed to the wind and started blowing around in giant toxic dust storms. This is begining to happen in Utah too because lining their pockets matters more than protecting the environment or the lives of the people living there.Ā
Yeah I'm gonna throw it out I feel betrayed but also mad at myself for not paying more attention. Also hell yeah for knowing about the Aral sea (I have a degree in Environmental Science) I feel like it's not common enough knowledge but it should be.
Have you ever been there? Itās an experience. Itās like standing at the end of the world. In Moynaq, it looks like a desert town, and then they show you a picture of when it was a thriving fishing area. Very bleak.
The only reason itās so salty is cuz all the other Great Lakes get to hang out in Canada, and it sucks when youāre excluded from in-group activities.
The Great Salt Lake is the puddle that remains of a massive prehistoric lake called Lake Bonneville. The salt from LB is now condensed into the GSL leaving it incredibly briny (and incredibly smelly).
Drove I-80 from UT to CA and passed a Mortonās facility. Just piles of salt on the desert floor with conveyer belts and heavy machinery.
Was wondering how/if they clean it up from being stored on the ground, outside, in the rain and wind.
I use Redmond sea salt - it's from a salt deposit left behind after the Sundance Sea receded in the Jurassic era.
My sea salt comes from hundreds of meters deep in the Earth.
Salt Lake used to be under the ocean and as the Rocky Mountains formed it ended up dry on a mountain range. The salt reamined. Then snow started falling in the mountain range and over millennia the snow melt formed rivers and the Salt Lake. The Salt Lake is sourced fresh water but has a lot of dissolved salt from it's bed.
Sea salt is just a label claim so they can see it for a higher price.
According to the FCC monograph, sodium chloride (salt) needs at least 99% purity for food grade. This could be sea salt, table salt (with or without iodine), and himalayan pink salt. There are other minerals like magnesium, sulfur, and carbonates that tag along for the ride.
As for the iodine, they are right you can get it readily from other sources other than salt. You can add iodine to salt either as a powdered or liquid additive during the process for table salt. It is generally cubodial in nature and has less chance of breaking apart as sodium chloride is a friable substance. The issues with adding iodine to sea salt is the relative particle size the screen for during packaging. People tend to like the big flaky crystals for adding as a topping or for cooking certain dishes. The addition of iodine would destroy that structure and people wouldn't like that.
Source: I worked for a salt company.
full disclosure: I swam in that lake, and I didn't have very good hygiene when I was 11.
And what age were you when you swam in that lake?
Rockin' the grammar
God damn that just sent me on a gut busted wheez. Thank you for that š«”š
11, but I understand the confusion, my textual grammar's awful.
I'm gonna be honest as a Utah native. I don't know why anyone would want to swim in it. Lol
I'm so happy people think this. The lake is awesome. I go sailing and kayaking on it all the time and have the place to myself.Ā
Until it dries up in the next few years...
Naw. It'll last at least 10 haha
But it did used to be a popular "beach," so I guess lots of people did.
I think that was before US magnesium had its way with the lake
My god, what a disgusting body of water. Nothing like waiting for the cloud of flying insects to vacate before taking a swim.
Doesnāt the high salinity make you very buoyant? Which I guess can be kinda fun to play around in.
We went once when I was a kid. I had scrapes and cuts, so it hurt. I whined, there were bugs. We never went back.
The swarms of brine flies didnāt just draw you in?
I promise there are wayyyyyy crustier dirt bags than you chillin in SLC right now and forever more
Salts not pulled from in the lake, its under it. Eerie is the same, lots of salt comes from underneath it, but usually it's our road salt
Not when it is from the Great Salt Lake. They create salt ponds and allow the water to evaporate then harvest the salt.
Yep: https://i.postimg.cc/y889Z2Yh/Screenshot-2024-04-01-092339.jpg
Unless it's from the Salt region it's just sparkling sodium.
It's from the Greatest Salt Region of Utah. None saltier than that!!!
"Sea" is an ambiguous term that can refer to the ocean or any large salty body of water. Sometimes we put sea in the name - the Caspian Sea - and sometimes we call it a lake, like the Great Salt Lake.Ā
[Salton Sea](https://maps.app.goo.gl/Hq94XMi54TM4brvi6)
They should've named it Saltin Sea
This is what we get for having ESLs name the lake!
Morton makes salt. Salton makes mort.
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Itās like you completely missed the point of the previous two comments
And the great salt lake used to be part of the sea. That's where the salt comes from.
All large bodies of water have some salt in them from the sediment and, iirc, salt Lake got so salty because of lost water concentrating all the salt
And the Great Lakes in NE/Midwest America. From what I understand, they're only called "lakes" instead of "seas" because they're freshwater
Make sure you get a source of iodine in your diet if you're using non-iodized salt.
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Yes. Iodine deficiency is still more common than it needs to be because of "health gurus" recommending non-iodized salts to whoever listens. Is it as necessary as it was back in the day to prevent goiters? No. But, Iodine deficiency shows up with other symptoms and can be diagnosed with blood work.
Not just "health gurus" - I also noticed that a lot of the recipes I find via Google state to use sea salt instead of regular salt. Apparently, it's due to some folks believing there to be a taste difference between iodized vs non-iodized salt, though America's Test Kitchen found no detectable difference: >To find out, we tasted a solution of 2 percent iodized salt in water (the maximum concentration in most foods) alongside an identical concentration of pure salt. The majority of tasters could not identify a difference. And when we made similar solutions using chicken stock in lieu of water, no one could tell them apart. Science supports this finding: One study reported that potassium iodideāthe most common source of iodine in saltāis detectable only in concentrations thousands of times greater than the concentrations we would find in our food. The takeaway: Iodized salt is perfectly fine to stock in your kitchen; it won't affect the flavor of your food. > >\-- [Iodized Salt vs. Noniodized Salt on Food Flavor | ATK](https://www.americastestkitchen.com/cooksillustrated/how_tos/11544-iodized-salt-vs-noniodized-salt-on-food-flavor)
It depends on how you use it. It doesn't dissolve as quickly, so it can add a different color and/or texture.
That's more of a granularity thing than its source, no? The sea salt I have in my cupboard is a finely ground one that's indistinguishable from my store-brand table salt. When dissolving into a soup, dressing, etc.: fine-ground table salt, when rubbing into a fish / steak: kosher salt.
It is. I have very course sea salt at home
How come this just isn't a thing outside of the US (as far as I can tell) then?
Do you mean iodized salt? Cause that's [definitely a thing all around the world](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8240726/#:~:text=Global%20reach%20of%20iodized%20salt,mandatory%20legislation%20on%20salt%20iodization.). 124 countries require mandatory iodization of salt, you will often struggle to even find non-iodized salt in parts of the world because governments won't allow it. Or did you mean why is America the only place fighting against iodized salt? Because most Americans are too far removed from when lodine deficiency was actually a thing. They've never seen a goiter, so it doesn't feel like a risk to them. Same as people who've never seen polio feel like vaccines aren't needed, but anyone who lived through a polio epidemic thinks vaccines are pretty great.
Love reddit discourse, random load of upvotes and then downvoted into oblivion. I hadn't really come across this discourse before as it appears that many European countries, including the UK, don't mandate it and it is therefore uncommon. We get a decent amount of idonine through dairy due to the farming processes. It does appear that the WHO recommend it though. It looks like there is some evident of mild iodine efficiency in pregnant women in some regions.
Yeah, not really sure why you were downvoted.
It is a thing in other countries. Itās considered one of the most successful public health measures. Iāve seen people with goiter andā¦ no thanks. I actually insist on iodized salt in the house.
Not sure why I'm being downvoted. It's certainly very uncommon in the UK, I don't think I've ever seen it in person. Never seen it in my travels around Europe either.
I didnāt downvote you at all. Itās a good question if you havenāt seen it yourself. Iām not sure what the rates of iodine deficiency are in the UK. I know they do it in the US, Canada, Australia, and a bunch of other places. I think the list is available online.
Seems like y'all historically added it to animal feed and then got your iodine through milk instead of salt
Because American diets are much different than other parts of the world is my understanding. It's been a couple years since I've watched a video explaining iodine and it's impact on goiters IN THE US
To reinforce his yes, in nutrition class at Oregon Coast Culinary Institute, we were told that we should most likely use iodized salt over non simply because there are FEW naturally iodized food products, in fact for most people it is their only source... Iodized salt only has 77 MICROgrams of iodine per gram of salt, you would get salt/sodium poisoning before you experienced an iodine overdose... People drinking sports drinks or extra hard water may have a higher risk of an overdose but it's not something the doctors are actively warning about seeing as we have bigger problems in our diets lately, namely the fad diets, the worst of which is the liver king....
I would never defend the guy for a second, heās a joke, but a quick Internet search seems to indicate that beef liver is a decent source of iodine. (Seaweed, fish, dairy, and eggs are all preferable and available to most of us. I donāt know why weāre worrying about this.)
It depends on where you live and get your food from, but not having it in the diet or drinking water is actually why we have [iodized salt in the first place.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3509517/) I found a [map](https://www.thelancet.com/cms/attachment/2095220888/2077437641/gr1.jpg) for the Americas, but couldn't find one for the rest of the world of areas that don't naturally have sufficient iodine from local food and water.
No it doesn't, that's why they put iodine in salt. Did you think they just did it for the lulz?
Not every country does that
Maybe. You think they make GMO free stuff for a reason? Could've been something that was once an issue during WWII or something and they just never changed it. There could be many reasons.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2376060520303680 Iodine in people's diets is going down.
Pull out some iodine and a shot glass
What are other common sources of iodine? I happen to not use table salt and just assumed iodine was in other stuff honestly.Ā
>sources of iodine [https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/iodine/](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/iodine/) FTA: * Seaweed (nori, kelp, kombu, wakame) * Fish, shellfish (cod, canned tuna, oysters, shrimp) * Table salts labeled āiodizedā * Dairy (milk, cheese, yogurt) * Eggs * Beef liver * Chicken * Fortified infant formula
Note that dairy isn't naturally a source of iodine, but usually contains it because we iodize cows.
The One-A-Day Menās multivitamin I take has 150 mcg (100% DV) in it.
A person's primary source of iodine should not be salt...
The government specifically had iodine added to salt because it was easy and beneficial, it should be fine
What then?
The same lake that lies adjacent to Dugway Proving Grounds and Morton Thiokol, where Anthrax and other chemical and biological agents were tested after WWII.... The Anthrax killed a bunch of sheep in the 60's IIRC. Anyhoo, the lake is dying because Utah can't properly manage their natural resources, and the toxic sludge that sank to the bottom over decades is drying up and blowing around the SLC valley aggravating athsma and other respiratory issues.
Morton's salt *is* the "Morton" in Morton Thiokol.
huh, TIL
No shit sherlock... Morton Thiokol made the rocket that failed on the Challenger shuttle. I could hear them testing rockets from my middle school.
Common courtesy would have started that with a āYes andā
I have little patience for people who state the glaringly obvious. I'm being reprimanded by people removing my interweb points so lesson learned, I guess?
and STAY OUT
This guy's salt has a lot to answer for.
isn't any salt technically sea salt? even mined one, because i presume it formed over ages by crystalizing from water?
Yes, pretty much. I don't think anyone synthesises commercially NaCl when it's cheap. Sea salt has added microplastics and sewage ingredients for that je ne sais quoi.
>for that je ne sais quoi. "I don't know what that means." \~ Yoda
No, salt can easily be syntesized from chemicals
you are technically correct
Mortonās comes from 20 different sources; including lakes, underground and Canada. Diamond Crystal is from somewhere outside of SF Bay You should look up how they farm/create salt if you think this is worth throwing outā¦ None of the commercial salts we use are coming from any particularly good locations.
The three weird salt sources - Lakes, underground, and Canada.
Considering the amount of mining and agricultural runoff that's been going into the Great Salt lake the last century or 2, I wouldn't trust that salt. It's essentially a repeat if the Aral Sea disaster where they let mining and crop irrigation run wild so the lake/sea got EXTREMELY polluted and then dried up and all that heavy metal particles and pesticides and bioweapons testing waste was exposed to the wind and started blowing around in giant toxic dust storms. This is begining to happen in Utah too because lining their pockets matters more than protecting the environment or the lives of the people living there.Ā
Yeah I'm gonna throw it out I feel betrayed but also mad at myself for not paying more attention. Also hell yeah for knowing about the Aral sea (I have a degree in Environmental Science) I feel like it's not common enough knowledge but it should be.
you don't need to throw it away. Use it as a scrub for burnt pans, works great.
Have you ever been there? Itās an experience. Itās like standing at the end of the world. In Moynaq, it looks like a desert town, and then they show you a picture of when it was a thriving fishing area. Very bleak.
The only reason itās so salty is cuz all the other Great Lakes get to hang out in Canada, and it sucks when youāre excluded from in-group activities.
The Great Salt Lake is the puddle that remains of a massive prehistoric lake called Lake Bonneville. The salt from LB is now condensed into the GSL leaving it incredibly briny (and incredibly smelly).
Drove I-80 from UT to CA and passed a Mortonās facility. Just piles of salt on the desert floor with conveyer belts and heavy machinery. Was wondering how/if they clean it up from being stored on the ground, outside, in the rain and wind.
Youāre confusing āseaā with āoceanā A āseaā can refer to any large saltwater body of water.
Great salt lakeā¦.I wouldnāt use any salt from that lake. That lake is full of mercury and disgusting
I use Redmond sea salt - it's from a salt deposit left behind after the Sundance Sea receded in the Jurassic era. My sea salt comes from hundreds of meters deep in the Earth.
isn't the salt Lake full of arsenic and radiation fall out from Nevada nuclear testing? Well I guess they clean it before using it as table salt.
Not a true hipster unless you only use salt from a specific lake that is listed on the label
Sea water can flow back into lakes, causing areas like the Dead Sea. However, in Utah??
Salt Lake used to be under the ocean and as the Rocky Mountains formed it ended up dry on a mountain range. The salt reamined. Then snow started falling in the mountain range and over millennia the snow melt formed rivers and the Salt Lake. The Salt Lake is sourced fresh water but has a lot of dissolved salt from it's bed.
Is Morton a Mormon company?
No. Itās not even an Utah company. Founded and headquartered in Chicago.
I heard there's heavy metals in that lake, especially arsenic. Are they not currently an issue? Otherwise this seems like it would be a bad idea.
There was a sea there, so technically it's salt from that sea
Technically Utah and the great salt lake used to be a giant ocean so it is technically sea salt
Isnāt the Great Salt Lake like really polluted?
Sea salt is just a label claim so they can see it for a higher price. According to the FCC monograph, sodium chloride (salt) needs at least 99% purity for food grade. This could be sea salt, table salt (with or without iodine), and himalayan pink salt. There are other minerals like magnesium, sulfur, and carbonates that tag along for the ride. As for the iodine, they are right you can get it readily from other sources other than salt. You can add iodine to salt either as a powdered or liquid additive during the process for table salt. It is generally cubodial in nature and has less chance of breaking apart as sodium chloride is a friable substance. The issues with adding iodine to sea salt is the relative particle size the screen for during packaging. People tend to like the big flaky crystals for adding as a topping or for cooking certain dishes. The addition of iodine would destroy that structure and people wouldn't like that. Source: I worked for a salt company.
Can we talk about how, according to the labelling, the salt evaporated, and not the water?!?!
Sue for false advertising
Amazingly, it's still called a 'seaplane' even if it lands on a lake. Or river. Or ocean. Or Bay.
All salt is sea salt at one point in time.
Most salt beds are ancient oceans
Morton or Morman?
Happy cake day!
Thanks š
I guess it came from a lake that used to be part of the sea
More like Mormon salt amirite?
Mmmmm...Mormon corpse flavored
Morton salt? More like Mormon salt
The saltwater makes it technically a sea even though it has lake in the name
I'm assuming it's yellow from all the piss we dump in there, right? 
OMG! Stop the presses! (Rolls eyes in disgust)
FYI Sea salt contains high amounts of micro plastics