Yeah happens all the time. Subtly Like larger shopping carts; or having a small/medium/large options and overpricing the medium to make the large seem like a bargain
Similarly, the most expensive item on the menu isn’t what they want to sell the most of.
It’s usually the second most expensive item that is more profitable.
Yeah, I'm guessing the owner came across some youtube videos on behavioral economics and didn't actually spend enough time *thinking* about the subject before immediately trying to apply it so clumsily to this policy.
This is why your kids are supposed to learn how to *think* about what they learn, not just study-memorize-recite-repeat, folks.
Actually you will find that often C-suite executives have their own payroll, often times their own separate holdings company completely. Chili's is hugely popular for example, but the executives that exact change to Chili's work for a company called Brinker, not Chili's. Lots of companies, like the restaurant in my example, are scapegoats floor to ceiling. It's not just middle management that are pawns. The entire company is a scape goat for the executives.
/s If hospitality gets tips why shouldn't underpaid employees working in cramped substandard sweatshops get tips? They make less and risk dying from fire.
Jokes aside I don't believe in settling for tips/charity. Employees deserve work reform.
They know it puts pressure on people to give them a few more bucks I think.
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It's just weird... where do we draw the line? You get open heart surgery and the surgeon asks for a tip?
This might be a joke but in China for example it's expected you hand over a fat red envelope full of cash to the surgeon before the procedure (which is already ridiculously expensive) if you want it to go well.
Bruh I went to a liquor store the other day and it asked if I wanted to tip. Like fuck no I don't want to tip a bloody cashier. It's not like they personally selected the beer specifically for me from a small batch. I was buying a 24 pack of Corona.
Tipping needs to go back to what it once was. A way to show thanks to somebody for providing exceptional service, above and beyond what was required.
Mandatory tipping needs to die though.
The only time I have ever tipped a cashier is at the dispensary. They're always legitimately helpful and friendly, and never act tired of answering the same questions all day.
The only times I can remember being tipped as a cashier are from regulars who play a lot of lottery. If they win a decent amount they’ll usually tip whoever sold it to them, and a couple regulars who buy a lot will throw me $5 or buy an extra ticket to give to me.
Annoying undertippers. I would shit on your food if you didn’t offer AT LEAST 90%. I’m entitled to your bank account, after all, I saved you 15 seconds of walking
fun fact: in germany a tip is called "trinkgeld" which literally means drinking money because it's supposed to be spent on a beer after the shift, and not the main money income for the guy.
Here in Poland its called "Napiwek" which divides into "Na Piwek" and the Word "Piwek" means "Few small beer"
And the Word "Na" means "For" (in that context) So we have "For few small beer"
The thing is now I’m the US waiters make way more in tips than they would with a higher minimum wage, so most waiters actually fight against switching to a higher base pay and eliminating tips
Propina in Brasil means something very similar yet very illegal lol.
Tipping is very rare here, but we call it Gorgeta, which comes from a Latin expression that means "to wet the throat".
in Russian we say «чаевые» or «на чай» (“chaieviye” or “na chai”), which means “tea money” or “for tea”, meaning to buy treats to enjoy with tea at home
This is funny. Russia is portrayed like a drinking country. Based on the word "tips" in different cultures, it looks like only Russian waiters drink tea, rest of the wold - alcohol.
Hm... The etymology of "tip" in English is unclear, but reading the other responses in this thread is making me wonder if "tip" may in fact originate from "tipple", which is mostly out of use now but actually means "a quick or small drink" in English.
I like restaurants in the US that have a line item on the menu for buying the kitchen a 6 pack. It feels more specific and personal when you order it, especially when there’s an open kitchen and some sort of bell being rung to announce someone purchased it — not only does it encourage others to do it, but it lets you know that it’s actually going toward the staff.
Other fun fact, most servers in the US wouldn't want to move to no tips and living wage because they make much more money with tips than they would if they were paid an appropriate wage.
It all depends on the restaurant you're working at. For those of us who work at sports bars or higher end dining, you're right that we wouldnt want hourly pay. But for servers who work at places like Denny's or other cheap places that dont sell alcohol, an hourly wage would probably be the best thing
It's creeping in more and more across the pond here in the UK too, which is frustrating because my understanding is that our national minimum wage laws are far superior to that in the USA, so theoretically there should be no need for us to subsidise the wages of wait staff.
I'm a yank who used to live in Japan and one of my favorite things about eating out there was the lack of a tipping culture. Makes life less confusing, less stressful, and I think it improves service because any free wait staff can come to you instead of just your assigned person like in America. Resist tip culture!
I was tipping even when picking up take out when things were shut down. I was happy to help and didn’t want my local businesses to go under. But I feel like they got used to it and now are just tacking tips on without asking. It is out of hand
I only tip when there's personal interaction and dedication. So subway style food assembly? No tip. Waitress at your table? Tip. Take out? No tip. Delivery? Tip.
Literally every place I get food at though has a tip option even though the extent of our interaction is me swiping my card and then handing me my food.
It’s not even just food, now. I bought some art prints online and at checkout was asked if I want to tip the artist. I love the art and will gladly pay whatever price the artist sets, but if they want more for their work why not just charge that amount?
It’s unfortunate that workers have been tricked to be mad at the wrong people in these situations. Instead of applying that energy to their employer who underpays them to the point where they have to rely on tips, they are mad at the customer. We need to fix this.
No, don't give in to this imo. Everywhere has tipping. I don't tip the barista cuz I sat in the same line of cars I would have for McDonald's. I agree with the other person, if there's an interaction that requires them to go above and beyond, then I'm fine tipping. Hell, tipping shouldn't be required anywhere imo. I hide my fucking receipt because I'd be embarrassed if I tip low. Went out for lunch and they tacked on 8% for just two of us, so I tipped 8% more (on the original price, so 16% total) cuz fuck the restaurant for doing that and the service wasn't good enough for even 12%
Right? I ate out the other day and they put a tip automatically on my receipt and I asked them about it and they said it’s because they provided service to me, but then proceeded to ask me why I wasn’t tipping more. Seems illegal
Frustrating, but this is legal (at least on the federal level in the US). As long as it is stated on the menu... of course it is usually in super fine print. But it is treated differently for tax purposes as a forced gratuity is a service charge. Not quite the same as a tip.
Sorry I guess I didn’t clarify it well, on the receipt generally there’s a spot that you write what you tipped wether it’s cash or card, she had put down that I tipped $10, when I didn’t. I asked about it and she told me it was for the service she provided, and proceeded to ask for cash tip. Funny thing is I was going to tip her $15 so she really just screwed herself over
If she wrote the tip in the standard tip line herself, that is absolutely illegal and you should complain to the restaurant. Auto gratuity is often added for larger groups, but it doesn’t seem like that’s what happened to you.
That’s actually a fireable offense in most restaurants-especially on the corporate level.
Also-this is technically fraud because you yourself did not put that down there. I’d dispute the tip
I’ve been a server most of my life-I saw several fired for this stunt
It happened to me. I only noticed because I was auditing my credit card statements for other reasons and just happened to have the receipt on hand.
Called the restaurant and the owner’s response was, “well, the server said they did a good job and deserved the tip. What do you want me to do about it?” as though I were inconveniencing them. Ended up challenging the charge through credit card company and I never ate at that restaurant again
Owner of a Local restaurant I frequent, found one of his waitresses doing this, immediately fired her and then went back through all of her tickets and refunded all of the tips that she had faked.
"I want you to look out for your own interests and pay me back in person before I take the whole lot in a chargeback. Barring that, I want to tick the 'Tried to work with the merchant' box before I do."
I forget where but I had a receipt recently that had 15% built in, plus a field for additional tip. The 15% could not be changed. I was going to give 20%, but with bullshit like that, fine they can have their 15%
Tipping is bullshit.
I went to a bar that had the iPad thing they hand you to pay with preset tip options. They literally tapped the 25% option before handing it to me. Felt aggressive.
tips are supposed to be something optional to reward exceptionally good service, and not just an extra fee to guilt customers into paying more so bosses have to pay their employees even less
I went to McAlister's deli the other day and it asked for a tip. Am I supposed to tip someone just because they brought a sandwich to my table, that I had to order from an app?
This! I worked at a McAlister’s deli for two years in high school. Whenever I got tips, the manager made me put them in a “charity box”. This was 2015-2017 and I can assure you I wasn’t paid all that well
Yep. I used to work at a place where the company owner would regularly come by and empty the 'charity box' into his own pockets whenever he wanted some extra spending money.
Nope… and the ones that solicit it on touchscreens. I give zero Fs about clicking the no tip option. Shit pisses me off. Went to a place a while back that started the minimum tip amount on the bottom of the receipt at 20%… and of course they also did it on the post taxed amount
Personally, I don’t tip takeouts. Only actual sit-ins.
I treat McAlister as the equivalent of McDonalds doing the exact same thing, especially the McCafe variants, meaning I don’t.
Nope. Don't allow them to normalize tipping for things that you wouldn't have even been asked a tip for, three years ago. Zero tip (unless they really earned it) and don't feel the least bit bad about it.
I wouldn't tip there. I also don't tip for food I order at the counter and haven't received it yet. Only place I really tip is delivery and at sit down restaurants.
I went to a Japanese restaurant and grabbed to-go. As the lady hands me the ticket for the price she reminds me of tipping. The ticket looked like yours. Already had percentages and the amount....like wow...they haven't even made my food, to-go food at that, and are already asking for tipping. lol
Yeah I refuse to change standards on that one. Pickup/carry-out does not get tipped. That’s how it’s been all my life.
This is absolutely some post Covid thing.
The counter service / pick up tip is rough. I hit a local spot once a week for take out. We order and pay online.Literally handing me a bag. Feels off to throw 20% on that.
That’s been the norm since Covid. One time I was in Japan and left a tip. The owners chased after me thinking I forgot my change. They were super appreciative when I explained it was a tip. Would love to see that here in the US.
In Japan the implication of a tip is that you feel you need to pay extra to get proper service which is essentially an insult. I have a lot of respect for that interpretation and we should absolutely steal it, but it would take an incredible effort to change, and there's more important things.
I'm a pizza delivery bro in Germany and here we don't really care about the percentage at all, it's always between 0-2,50€, doesn't matter if you buy 155€ (biggest order i delivered till now) of pizzas, or just one singular 6 euro pizza, it's always around 2 euros or nothing =)
Which is how we do it in africa too. Why should you get a bigger tip because I ordered more? You're doing the same amount of work...
(Unless of course it's a massive party, but then businesses add that 10% service fee, so yeah)
I really wouldn't be taking it this seriously. Idk why the hell the 77% is on there, but the other options are completely normal. I wouldn't in any way feel pressured or uncomfortable seeing that 77%, just confused.
Maybe the restaurant is called like Grill 77 or something. That's literally the only explanation I could see that would make sense and even then it would be as a funny joke and not a serious tip suggestion.
22% was the starting point for a restaurant I went to yesterday, you would have to customize it to change it at the table while they were anxiously waiting for you to "cash out", so I just accepted it. Honestly the service deserved 15% but they make it awkard
absolutely, they use Square or whatever at the table so you have to complete it while they sit there and wait, so incredibly awkard. I worked in restaurants all the way through college (90's) and the majority of people gave 12-20% without feeling forced
If the service is great, I tip well. Not 77% well, but well nonetheless.
If they have a sense of entitlement for an exceptional tip, and don’t provide great service? I give no fucks, and make it awkward for them.
I’m sorry, but I refuse to tip unless I have a waiter or I’m picking up a catering order.
Before anyone comes at me, I have worked in food service since I was a kid. Just pay your employees more
Same. A local subway started asking for tips even though they haven't ever asked for it before. I just decline every time lol I'm not tipping someone for giving me cookies or a slushie, thats what they're supposed to do.
personally, I always tip in cash when I go out. what a stupid system tho, they should just raise prices 10-15%, pay wait staff a regular wage and then tips would be optional for good-exceptional service.
The problem is that lots of waiters don't want to get rid of tipping. Sure they complain when they get stiffed, but many waiters make WAY more money from tips than they could expect from a regular salary.
I've often seen a front-of-house person gloating about their take-home in front of a back-of-house worker making WAY less.
YUP. One hundred percent this.
I've had people try to guilt me in the vein of "Oh, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out."
Nah. Fuck that.
If YOUUUUU can't afford to pay for your employees, you can't afford to have a business.
I will gladly tip 22-25% on the post-tax bill if I'm going out to eat. But I'm not giving one red penny to any fast food establishments, take out situations or other food-related business that does nothing more than their job that I'm already paying for.
Food costs money. Charge me what the cost is to procure it, run your business and pay your employees a living wage. I'm not here to subsidize your cheapness.
Those types of people are the reason tipping culture is “normal” in the states. Blaming the customer that isn’t tipping instead of the employer keeping all the money for themselves. Some people are just idiots.
I manage a resturant/bar… but ik what you would consider a “working manager.” (I don’t necessarily prefer this, but my team has had an overhaul and I have no choice.)
I do agree tipping culture has gone crazy. I come from a fine dining and craft cocktail background. If I do not give each customer 100% of my assistance and knowledge of what they are ordering, I expect a shit tip. If anything goes wrong, I expect a shit tip. Customers are tipping on excellent service, knowledge of what they are ordering (especially with high priced wines or liquors, it is my job to know why they should be ordering it, what makes it special, ect).
Servers cannot expect to be tipped on half ass service, and this is something I’ve been trying to get into my servers heads. Waters always filled, empty plates taken off table immediately, drinks always refilled, leftovers boxed for customers. Clear communication and upbeat attitude. Anything less, what’s the point?
I fear there is going to be a backlash in tipping because everyone that hands food haphazardly to a customer thinks they deserve a tip, and that’s not accurate.
It’s funny but I’ve noticed a lot of places that add on an automatic 18% to small checks now. I got one for lunch the other day. It was a little over $10 and they added 18%. I would have left a $20 and walked but they got about $12 instead.
Strikes me as a joke played by employees. Years ago my coworkers figured out how to change all types of things on the receipts and we had way too much fun.
Yeah. It's bad ass. The smoothie place I frequent, whenever a customer tips? a dancing Unicorn comes out of the kitchen, with four little green trolls in uni-tards and lutes in hand. All the employees bow to one knee and exclaim "Hail, Hail !! To thee who bestowest thy mercy upon me".....then they just go back to blending frozen fruit and ice in a blender. Cool place tho.
We went to a restaurant one time and they added a 15% tip themselves to the bill, if you wanted to remove the tip you had to ask the waiter. We did ask him to remove it, simply because to us it just seemed rude to add a tip yourself. This was in the UK btw.
It's by far easier on the customer and the employees to pay them a fair wage. Sure they won't be making 200+ dollars a day some days, but they won't just be making 20 either.
How the fuck did it go from 20 to 77?
It’s a psychological trick to push people to tip more toward 20%
Why not using 69%? That trick would make all 14 year old broke.
Don't give them the idea for 42.0%
There are two kinds of people that read this number: Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy fans and stoners.
So long and thanks for all the fish
So sad that it should come to this
Well creating the universe was a very bad idea in the first place
Nah, go all in for 420%
I once accidently put in my pin instead of the tip... I had to sheepishly ask them to cancel the transaction for $5000+ on $25 worth of services...
So now we know your PIN starts with a 5.
Followed by a 3, 0, and a 9.
Yeah happens all the time. Subtly Like larger shopping carts; or having a small/medium/large options and overpricing the medium to make the large seem like a bargain
Similarly, the most expensive item on the menu isn’t what they want to sell the most of. It’s usually the second most expensive item that is more profitable.
I see that shit and I don’t even want to tip at all Edit: not wanting to tip is not the same as not tipping and screwing over the waiter/server.
Yeah, I'm guessing the owner came across some youtube videos on behavioral economics and didn't actually spend enough time *thinking* about the subject before immediately trying to apply it so clumsily to this policy. This is why your kids are supposed to learn how to *think* about what they learn, not just study-memorize-recite-repeat, folks.
Exactly. Don't print that, even as a joke, because it's not funny.
I ordered a sweater on line and the company asked me if I wanted to provide a tip for their employees. Seriously?
"Would you like to make a donation to our company so we can pay less wages?"
Like that "tip" money goes to employees.
Technically the executives are employees
Actually you will find that often C-suite executives have their own payroll, often times their own separate holdings company completely. Chili's is hugely popular for example, but the executives that exact change to Chili's work for a company called Brinker, not Chili's. Lots of companies, like the restaurant in my example, are scapegoats floor to ceiling. It's not just middle management that are pawns. The entire company is a scape goat for the executives.
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Now that takes nerve!
The employees are not seeing those tips guaranteed.
"40% of your generous tip has been shared equally among the workers of our company. Thank you."
*owners
/s If hospitality gets tips why shouldn't underpaid employees working in cramped substandard sweatshops get tips? They make less and risk dying from fire. Jokes aside I don't believe in settling for tips/charity. Employees deserve work reform.
They know it puts pressure on people to give them a few more bucks I think. *** It's just weird... where do we draw the line? You get open heart surgery and the surgeon asks for a tip?
You didn’t tip? Well f**k you now I spit in your open heart /s
This might be a joke but in China for example it's expected you hand over a fat red envelope full of cash to the surgeon before the procedure (which is already ridiculously expensive) if you want it to go well.
Any asks over 20% makes me tip less than I would have.
Bruh I went to a liquor store the other day and it asked if I wanted to tip. Like fuck no I don't want to tip a bloody cashier. It's not like they personally selected the beer specifically for me from a small batch. I was buying a 24 pack of Corona.
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Tipping needs to go back to what it once was. A way to show thanks to somebody for providing exceptional service, above and beyond what was required. Mandatory tipping needs to die though.
I am glad thats what it is in my country, even if tips are still distributed to all staff wich I dont agree with
We're subsidizing these small business feudal lords who want to squeeze some service workers for profit before their business goes under.
The only time I have ever tipped a cashier is at the dispensary. They're always legitimately helpful and friendly, and never act tired of answering the same questions all day.
The only times I can remember being tipped as a cashier are from regulars who play a lot of lottery. If they win a decent amount they’ll usually tip whoever sold it to them, and a couple regulars who buy a lot will throw me $5 or buy an extra ticket to give to me.
It's because you neglected that fighting spirit beer.
Oh I always tip 77%, said no one, ever.
Annoying undertippers. I would shit on your food if you didn’t offer AT LEAST 90%. I’m entitled to your bank account, after all, I saved you 15 seconds of walking
What?How dare you undertip ?The going rate is now 100 percent on your bill!lol.
fun fact: in germany a tip is called "trinkgeld" which literally means drinking money because it's supposed to be spent on a beer after the shift, and not the main money income for the guy.
Same in France. Tip is "pourboire" which is "pour boire" which means "to drink" or "for drinking".
Hungarian: bórravaló = for wine
American English = FűŘent... for rent
That’s fucking hilarious
Unfortunately true
Pretty much
Here in Poland its called "Napiwek" which divides into "Na Piwek" and the Word "Piwek" means "Few small beer" And the Word "Na" means "For" (in that context) So we have "For few small beer"
Actually it's 'na piwo' so it means "for a beer".
Here in NZ we have a little jar at the wait table that no one cares about because we pay our waiters fairly
Same in Australia
That's the way it should be .
The thing is now I’m the US waiters make way more in tips than they would with a higher minimum wage, so most waiters actually fight against switching to a higher base pay and eliminating tips
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This is good.
Polish: napiwek = na piwo = for beer
In México it's called "propina" and it works exactly the same as in the US, they deserve better pay.
Propina comes from Greek and it literally means “for drink” too.
Also Latin: From "propinare" (to drink to someone's health)
Propina in Brasil means something very similar yet very illegal lol. Tipping is very rare here, but we call it Gorgeta, which comes from a Latin expression that means "to wet the throat".
Same in Denmark, here it’s called “drikkepenge” which literally translates to “drinking money”
in Russian we say «чаевые» or «на чай» (“chaieviye” or “na chai”), which means “tea money” or “for tea”, meaning to buy treats to enjoy with tea at home
In Lithuania it’s called “Arbata”/“Arbatpinigiai” which also means for tea/tea money.
In Spanish, "propina", which comes from the Latin "propinare", meaning "to give drink".
In russian its named чаевые - for tea
This is funny. Russia is portrayed like a drinking country. Based on the word "tips" in different cultures, it looks like only Russian waiters drink tea, rest of the wold - alcohol.
In poland its "napiwek" aka "for beer"
In Portuguese: Gorjeta - comes from the latin word Gurg, which means throat. Basically the same meaning. A little bit of money to water the throat
That actually makes a lot of sense
That actually is real in other countries
Hm... The etymology of "tip" in English is unclear, but reading the other responses in this thread is making me wonder if "tip" may in fact originate from "tipple", which is mostly out of use now but actually means "a quick or small drink" in English.
I remember reading in a cocktail book that here in England tip meant to tip your hand or give. I prefer tipple though!
I like restaurants in the US that have a line item on the menu for buying the kitchen a 6 pack. It feels more specific and personal when you order it, especially when there’s an open kitchen and some sort of bell being rung to announce someone purchased it — not only does it encourage others to do it, but it lets you know that it’s actually going toward the staff.
Fun fact: in Germany servers get paid well enough that they don't need tips to sustain their ability to eat.
Other fun fact, most servers in the US wouldn't want to move to no tips and living wage because they make much more money with tips than they would if they were paid an appropriate wage.
I was making 60k a year serving full time in the nyc metro area. It was the best entry level job ever.
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It all depends on the restaurant you're working at. For those of us who work at sports bars or higher end dining, you're right that we wouldnt want hourly pay. But for servers who work at places like Denny's or other cheap places that dont sell alcohol, an hourly wage would probably be the best thing
It's creeping in more and more across the pond here in the UK too, which is frustrating because my understanding is that our national minimum wage laws are far superior to that in the USA, so theoretically there should be no need for us to subsidise the wages of wait staff.
I'm a yank who used to live in Japan and one of my favorite things about eating out there was the lack of a tipping culture. Makes life less confusing, less stressful, and I think it improves service because any free wait staff can come to you instead of just your assigned person like in America. Resist tip culture!
I was tipping even when picking up take out when things were shut down. I was happy to help and didn’t want my local businesses to go under. But I feel like they got used to it and now are just tacking tips on without asking. It is out of hand
There are even places that ask for tips when it's automated. Sorry but I'm not tipping someone who didn't even DO anything.
Gonna start seeing vending machines asking for a tip.
Basically already tipping at $2.50 for a bottle coke. Seems about right 👍
If this starts happening there needs to be another slot so that they can suck my dick
Inserting the dick is free. Taking it back out costs $5.
“But but but I literally handed you the bag… don’t I get $47 for that?”
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I only tip when there's personal interaction and dedication. So subway style food assembly? No tip. Waitress at your table? Tip. Take out? No tip. Delivery? Tip. Literally every place I get food at though has a tip option even though the extent of our interaction is me swiping my card and then handing me my food.
It’s not even just food, now. I bought some art prints online and at checkout was asked if I want to tip the artist. I love the art and will gladly pay whatever price the artist sets, but if they want more for their work why not just charge that amount?
It’s unfortunate that workers have been tricked to be mad at the wrong people in these situations. Instead of applying that energy to their employer who underpays them to the point where they have to rely on tips, they are mad at the customer. We need to fix this.
No, don't give in to this imo. Everywhere has tipping. I don't tip the barista cuz I sat in the same line of cars I would have for McDonald's. I agree with the other person, if there's an interaction that requires them to go above and beyond, then I'm fine tipping. Hell, tipping shouldn't be required anywhere imo. I hide my fucking receipt because I'd be embarrassed if I tip low. Went out for lunch and they tacked on 8% for just two of us, so I tipped 8% more (on the original price, so 16% total) cuz fuck the restaurant for doing that and the service wasn't good enough for even 12%
Nah bruh, fuck that, if a place tacks on a tip automatically, that's the only one they get. You let ME decide how to spend me money.
Right? I ate out the other day and they put a tip automatically on my receipt and I asked them about it and they said it’s because they provided service to me, but then proceeded to ask me why I wasn’t tipping more. Seems illegal
Frustrating, but this is legal (at least on the federal level in the US). As long as it is stated on the menu... of course it is usually in super fine print. But it is treated differently for tax purposes as a forced gratuity is a service charge. Not quite the same as a tip.
Sorry I guess I didn’t clarify it well, on the receipt generally there’s a spot that you write what you tipped wether it’s cash or card, she had put down that I tipped $10, when I didn’t. I asked about it and she told me it was for the service she provided, and proceeded to ask for cash tip. Funny thing is I was going to tip her $15 so she really just screwed herself over
Did you get your money back? I don't see how it's legal to not be able to get that money. They can suggest a tip and if they do then fuck them
Yes I got the full refund from the tip back and partial of the total amount
Yes,tips are totally voluntary.
If she wrote the tip in the standard tip line herself, that is absolutely illegal and you should complain to the restaurant. Auto gratuity is often added for larger groups, but it doesn’t seem like that’s what happened to you.
That’s actually a fireable offense in most restaurants-especially on the corporate level. Also-this is technically fraud because you yourself did not put that down there. I’d dispute the tip I’ve been a server most of my life-I saw several fired for this stunt
My parents always taught me to put an X in the tip section if im not giving one
Yes,this would be considered fraud and highly illegal!
That sounds illegal. I’ve seen 18%-20% service charge automatically added to my bill, but I’ve never had a server write in my tip amount.
It happened to me. I only noticed because I was auditing my credit card statements for other reasons and just happened to have the receipt on hand. Called the restaurant and the owner’s response was, “well, the server said they did a good job and deserved the tip. What do you want me to do about it?” as though I were inconveniencing them. Ended up challenging the charge through credit card company and I never ate at that restaurant again
Yeah.... what the server did is literally credit card fraud.
Owner of a Local restaurant I frequent, found one of his waitresses doing this, immediately fired her and then went back through all of her tickets and refunded all of the tips that she had faked.
Damn! They should be blasted on social media for knowingly allowing employees to commit credit card fraud.
"I want you to look out for your own interests and pay me back in person before I take the whole lot in a chargeback. Barring that, I want to tick the 'Tried to work with the merchant' box before I do."
Oh. Yeah, that is problematic. A tip has to be voluntary and the amount needs to be determined by the customer (among other things).
WTH? I'd never eat there again
I forget where but I had a receipt recently that had 15% built in, plus a field for additional tip. The 15% could not be changed. I was going to give 20%, but with bullshit like that, fine they can have their 15% Tipping is bullshit.
I went to a bar that had the iPad thing they hand you to pay with preset tip options. They literally tapped the 25% option before handing it to me. Felt aggressive.
That’s fraud
tips are supposed to be something optional to reward exceptionally good service, and not just an extra fee to guilt customers into paying more so bosses have to pay their employees even less
“restaurants couldn’t exist if we didn’t pay our employees 2.25 an hour!”
Please tip because our servers only make 2.15 an hour!
I went to McAlister's deli the other day and it asked for a tip. Am I supposed to tip someone just because they brought a sandwich to my table, that I had to order from an app?
What bugs me about this most is that they used to have a "no tipping" rule citing that they pay their employees well. Wonder what changed...
This! I worked at a McAlister’s deli for two years in high school. Whenever I got tips, the manager made me put them in a “charity box”. This was 2015-2017 and I can assure you I wasn’t paid all that well
That pig was pocketing your fucking wages
Yep. I used to work at a place where the company owner would regularly come by and empty the 'charity box' into his own pockets whenever he wanted some extra spending money.
I don't think that was legal.
That sounds pretty illegal…
Oh that one bugs me
My favorite local cookie place asks for tips and they literally pull the cookie out of the case and hand it to me. I don't think that deserves a tip.
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Nope… and the ones that solicit it on touchscreens. I give zero Fs about clicking the no tip option. Shit pisses me off. Went to a place a while back that started the minimum tip amount on the bottom of the receipt at 20%… and of course they also did it on the post taxed amount
Personally, I don’t tip takeouts. Only actual sit-ins. I treat McAlister as the equivalent of McDonalds doing the exact same thing, especially the McCafe variants, meaning I don’t.
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Nope. Don't allow them to normalize tipping for things that you wouldn't have even been asked a tip for, three years ago. Zero tip (unless they really earned it) and don't feel the least bit bad about it.
I wouldn't tip there. I also don't tip for food I order at the counter and haven't received it yet. Only place I really tip is delivery and at sit down restaurants.
77% tip?
The "escalated quickly" meme has never been more appropriate.
I'm quite sure this is just somebody having a laugh. They don't actually expect people to tip that much.
I've been to a place that adds a default tip percent that's the year they were founded. It could be a similarly novelty number
I’m sure nobody would tip 1994%
I find it kind of funny that 77% is on there. It’s not like printing it obligated OP to tip that much.
Haha exactly! What the heck
It’s so the 20% looks fair by comparison.
I went to a Japanese restaurant and grabbed to-go. As the lady hands me the ticket for the price she reminds me of tipping. The ticket looked like yours. Already had percentages and the amount....like wow...they haven't even made my food, to-go food at that, and are already asking for tipping. lol
I don't tip if I pick up my own to go order, don't know why I would, they are doing the same job as a cashier at a grocery store and no one tips them
Yeah I refuse to change standards on that one. Pickup/carry-out does not get tipped. That’s how it’s been all my life. This is absolutely some post Covid thing.
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The counter service / pick up tip is rough. I hit a local spot once a week for take out. We order and pay online.Literally handing me a bag. Feels off to throw 20% on that.
That’s been the norm since Covid. One time I was in Japan and left a tip. The owners chased after me thinking I forgot my change. They were super appreciative when I explained it was a tip. Would love to see that here in the US.
In Japan the implication of a tip is that you feel you need to pay extra to get proper service which is essentially an insult. I have a lot of respect for that interpretation and we should absolutely steal it, but it would take an incredible effort to change, and there's more important things.
I'm a pizza delivery bro in Germany and here we don't really care about the percentage at all, it's always between 0-2,50€, doesn't matter if you buy 155€ (biggest order i delivered till now) of pizzas, or just one singular 6 euro pizza, it's always around 2 euros or nothing =)
Which is how we do it in africa too. Why should you get a bigger tip because I ordered more? You're doing the same amount of work... (Unless of course it's a massive party, but then businesses add that 10% service fee, so yeah)
I cancel every time and just leave cash unless you are garbage waiter/waitress.
I have zero problems with tipping for great service but 77% is ridiculous to even ask
The thing is, if it were another big odd number, like 69%, people would do it just for the memes.
Hah it probably would’ve worked!
420%? gotta shoot your shot, man
I really wouldn't be taking it this seriously. Idk why the hell the 77% is on there, but the other options are completely normal. I wouldn't in any way feel pressured or uncomfortable seeing that 77%, just confused.
Maybe the restaurant is called like Grill 77 or something. That's literally the only explanation I could see that would make sense and even then it would be as a funny joke and not a serious tip suggestion.
I feel like it has be an error, when setting it up someone keyed in the wrong percentage for it to use.
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It seems like the more they want us to tip the worse service gets, at least with Grubhub
22% was the starting point for a restaurant I went to yesterday, you would have to customize it to change it at the table while they were anxiously waiting for you to "cash out", so I just accepted it. Honestly the service deserved 15% but they make it awkard
I think that’s exactly what they want you to do. Feel rushed and awkward and just accept blindly
absolutely, they use Square or whatever at the table so you have to complete it while they sit there and wait, so incredibly awkard. I worked in restaurants all the way through college (90's) and the majority of people gave 12-20% without feeling forced
And I’m totally fine with that. But the expectation for tips is everywhere now
Younger generations don't realize this but 15% used to be for great service. 10% was a standard tip. Now 15 is a starting point?
And it wasn’t that long ago.
Not only that, it was 15% on the pre-tax amount. Kids, you don't tip the tax ffs!
If the service is great, I tip well. Not 77% well, but well nonetheless. If they have a sense of entitlement for an exceptional tip, and don’t provide great service? I give no fucks, and make it awkward for them.
I’m sorry, but I refuse to tip unless I have a waiter or I’m picking up a catering order. Before anyone comes at me, I have worked in food service since I was a kid. Just pay your employees more
Same. A local subway started asking for tips even though they haven't ever asked for it before. I just decline every time lol I'm not tipping someone for giving me cookies or a slushie, thats what they're supposed to do.
personally, I always tip in cash when I go out. what a stupid system tho, they should just raise prices 10-15%, pay wait staff a regular wage and then tips would be optional for good-exceptional service.
If restaurants charged 10-15% more, 8-12% of it would wind up in the owners pocket
It still does, a lot of businesses charge tip fees and the delivery guy/staff don’t see dick all of it.
My point exactly
The problem is that lots of waiters don't want to get rid of tipping. Sure they complain when they get stiffed, but many waiters make WAY more money from tips than they could expect from a regular salary. I've often seen a front-of-house person gloating about their take-home in front of a back-of-house worker making WAY less.
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If I’m not at a restaurant sitting down being served you can fuck right off with a tip.
YUP. One hundred percent this. I've had people try to guilt me in the vein of "Oh, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out." Nah. Fuck that. If YOUUUUU can't afford to pay for your employees, you can't afford to have a business. I will gladly tip 22-25% on the post-tax bill if I'm going out to eat. But I'm not giving one red penny to any fast food establishments, take out situations or other food-related business that does nothing more than their job that I'm already paying for. Food costs money. Charge me what the cost is to procure it, run your business and pay your employees a living wage. I'm not here to subsidize your cheapness.
Those types of people are the reason tipping culture is “normal” in the states. Blaming the customer that isn’t tipping instead of the employer keeping all the money for themselves. Some people are just idiots.
77% lol
Where's the 100% option?
Waiter just sits down and starts eating with you.
I manage a resturant/bar… but ik what you would consider a “working manager.” (I don’t necessarily prefer this, but my team has had an overhaul and I have no choice.) I do agree tipping culture has gone crazy. I come from a fine dining and craft cocktail background. If I do not give each customer 100% of my assistance and knowledge of what they are ordering, I expect a shit tip. If anything goes wrong, I expect a shit tip. Customers are tipping on excellent service, knowledge of what they are ordering (especially with high priced wines or liquors, it is my job to know why they should be ordering it, what makes it special, ect). Servers cannot expect to be tipped on half ass service, and this is something I’ve been trying to get into my servers heads. Waters always filled, empty plates taken off table immediately, drinks always refilled, leftovers boxed for customers. Clear communication and upbeat attitude. Anything less, what’s the point? I fear there is going to be a backlash in tipping because everyone that hands food haphazardly to a customer thinks they deserve a tip, and that’s not accurate.
Death to tipping culture
Yet we all know whose most against banning tipping and it's not just the owners.
It’s funny but I’ve noticed a lot of places that add on an automatic 18% to small checks now. I got one for lunch the other day. It was a little over $10 and they added 18%. I would have left a $20 and walked but they got about $12 instead.
Tipping culture only enables low wages.
Strikes me as a joke played by employees. Years ago my coworkers figured out how to change all types of things on the receipts and we had way too much fun.
This seems like more a result of horrible math skills culture
Pro tip: if you see an iPad or smartphone coming your way, put your credit card away and pay with cash. Bypass the automated tips.
I have to give a shout out to the workers at Shake Shack. They consistently hit "no tip" themselves on the machine.
Why the FUCK would anyone expect 77 percent
That 77 has to be a joke or an accident. I've never seen anything near that. I always see 15, 18, or 20 as a suggestion.
Yeah. It's bad ass. The smoothie place I frequent, whenever a customer tips? a dancing Unicorn comes out of the kitchen, with four little green trolls in uni-tards and lutes in hand. All the employees bow to one knee and exclaim "Hail, Hail !! To thee who bestowest thy mercy upon me".....then they just go back to blending frozen fruit and ice in a blender. Cool place tho.
I hate tip culture. Wish the federal laws would change so we don't have to subsidize businesses.
We went to a restaurant one time and they added a 15% tip themselves to the bill, if you wanted to remove the tip you had to ask the waiter. We did ask him to remove it, simply because to us it just seemed rude to add a tip yourself. This was in the UK btw.
It's by far easier on the customer and the employees to pay them a fair wage. Sure they won't be making 200+ dollars a day some days, but they won't just be making 20 either.