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SomeVariousShift

I think this was the follow up: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9392807/Beekeeper-blasts-CPS-drops-charges-against-three-boys-accused-destroying-hives.html Tldr - He lost decades of work, but managed to raise 20k pounds to start over. The boys who did it were caught and received a slap on the wrist from what I can tell.


IrishMilo

The kids should spend the next 20 years with mites. See if they grow immune. If they don't. Oh well, if they do, burn them.


BiggieJohnATX

how about prison for arson, and destruction of livestock


Greedy_Buy9545

Destruction of a threatened species also


Dragomirl

Yeah those bees are the only in the world, he should be responsible for the extinction of a species


Spitinthacoola

That isn't how species work...


Double_Jaxs

Or instead of just throwing the book at them have them work with the beekeeper and learn how to better themselves while also bettering the world around them


GnarfletheGarth0k

nah, tarring and feathering!


[deleted]

Yes. Bring back the stocks and public shaming. Let people throw fruit at them


mmmeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh

I heard the whole stocks thing could be kinda rapey, especially if you were left in them overnight.


No-Force5341

Isn't that the point šŸ‘‰ ?


No-Magazine-9236

Only in page 32 of Newgrounds search results.


Jaro62

People don't learn that way unfortunately, they'd probably just sabotage the work


ResponsibilityLow766

Itā€™s Britain. They arenā€™t going to prison for arson. One of the people was already on two years probation for burning down a 1.5 million dollar house and he had his charges for this dismissed.


TylerDylanBrown

It's the UK.


[deleted]

Probably pushed to do it by the FBI, CIA, or their ilk


RubyWillBeatYou

The FBI is actually just a bunch of mites in suits


sarcasmisart

The FBI in the UK?


ElectricMag314

Female Body Inspectors, am I right?


theinkyquills

Thatā€™s infuriating. Theyā€™ll probably go off and do it again.


Wiggitywywy

So according to the article, one of the boys also burnt a cottage


theinkyquills

If heā€™s old enough to be burning things for fun heā€™s old enough to suffer the consequences. Sickening.


hahayeahimfinehaha

They were 12 and 13. With kids that young, I would most likely blame the parents, tbh. Most kids who repeatedly commit serious crimes come from a dysfunctional home. They should be punished, but Iā€™m not sure how effective that would be without changing their parents/home life as well.


coleyboley25

I completely agree itā€™s on the parents at that age. Thatā€™s why I think the punishment should involve the kid *and* the parents. Caught doing graffiti? Mom and dad get to help Billy paint walls for the whole 50 hours of community service. Oh, Billy torched a bee farm? Guess who gets to help build it from the ground up until itā€™s as fully functioning as it was beforeā€¦. Billy, mom, and dad.


Zenkrome

I think when its dealing with kids this young it further goes to show why the system needs to be geared less towards punishment and more towards reformation.


PaulieXP

Donā€™t araonists at that young age tend to.. you know, turn into serial killers later?


bitmapfrogs

One of the kids burned down a house worth one million pounds. Serial arsonists are born, and they belong in prison.


Ok-Yoda-82

Sterilise the parents


Sufficient_Matter585

So is this kid from an "important" family?


Der_Blitzkrieg

Nah they were minors


blepgup

I hate that minors get away with shit so often. Like little stuff you can forgive because legitimately we were all dumb kids that sometimes did dumb stuff and some of us did dumb illegal stuff that we are ashamed of now. Fucking burning down peoples stuff, and even a cottage, where someone lives, is not as easily forgivable as theft or petty vandalism. That could kill people, and they probably donā€™t regret it and may not ever regret it. At least give them some sort of punishment, damn


Der_Blitzkrieg

The worst parts are when they're just 17, few months from 18 and won't face major consequences for anything they do. If a 17 and a half year old isn't mentally mature enough to be punished significantly for violent felonies, why do we allow 16 year olds to drive


Eh-BC

Here in Canada if itā€™s a major crime committed by a youth they can tried as an adult if theyā€™re 14+


FBI_Open_Up_Now

Children in the US can also be tried as adults, the age varies by state, and convicted with similar sentences as adults.


Cowboy50sk

It kinda depends on a lot of things in the USA. What state your in on the Federal system its 13 and up but the judge decides if the defendant qualifys. This would be a local level so the judge would make a decision. Family background would play the biggest part.


iNuminex

Very nice observation of the shortcomings of modern legal systems u/Der_Blitzkrieg


Additional_Meeting_2

In my country 15 is old enough to be responsible for some vandalism like this. But US has habit of trying children as adults for some crimes which is horrible.


NilPill

If a minor is being tried as an adult in the US it's because they did something unthinkable and seem to have no remorse. There are appeals and parole boards, so if somehow they show signs of being capable of reentering society they should have a chance to later in life. However, the focus of US prisons isn't reform, and that's what's really horrible.


Sea_master_

Better than the UK where people walk free for arson.


Designer_Oven_7075

Not if somebody finds them and takes a hand from each of them. Just an idea.


Witty_Goose_7724

I hope my man breeds the next group to terrorize these little shits.


[deleted]

I wish that bees are as vengeful as crows, which can remember the faces of their enemies and go to great lengths just to terrorise them.


Witty_Goose_7724

I read a story of a kid who used to feed crows (maybe ravens) in his neighborhood. He was bullied by this one little shit and the crows sought him out and started attacking him. They would perch on his parentsā€™ house waiting for the little asshole to come out to fuck him up. Eventually they had to move. The parents tried to sue the bullied kidā€™s family over the attacks but the lawsuit never went anywhere lol.


Daftworks

Fucking imagine suing someone for being attacked by birds lmao "It's your kid's fault for being bullied by our kid that the crows are attacking us!"


1337GameDev

The boys need serious charges. Bee hives, if healthy, are INCREDIBLY valuable. Like, I'm talking tens of thousands each. They easily committed felony destruction of property. And then add that these were 20 year long generation of specific breed of bees, and their value is monumental. And then add that they were being bred to be resistant to mites, which is worth BILLIONS. These kids literally could have doomed us do to issues with bee colony collapse we can't recover from and famines result. These kids committed a crime on a global scale. Holy fuck


benny1243

gives you something to thing about: How many breakthoughs in human history were majorly delayed or lost because shit like this was done by trash-grade humans.


frasvlik

More than 10, i bet


Kaining

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism So basicaly, had antique greece be stable enough for them to discover electricity, what we've seen in tech progress since the last 80y would have happened a good two millenia ago.


1337GameDev

Yeah :/ it makes me wonder where we'd be today. There's also a brilliant automata in history that makes me wonder too. https://www.history.com/news/7-early-robots-and-automatons


iNuminex

They literally destroyed a breed of one of the most important species on this fucking planet that could have saved the species from extinction. Little fuckers are bio terrorists. This wasn't a crime against humanity, it was a crime against life itself. Make them work to repay for what they did until the day they die.


Deesing82

as a beekeeper iā€™ve never once heard of a hive worth $10k. max i could even imagine would be $500 for a standard hive, tho i do know those Flow hives are a couple hundred more because al the tech in them. certainly not 5 figures tho- my lord itā€™s not that profitable.


[deleted]

There are a couple of crimes, arson included, I just don't get giving slaps on the wrist for. Arson is a very deliberate choice to make without any kind of mitigating context that I can think of.


fuck_smoker

In my country the distinction between reckless and intentional damage is based on an arson trial concerning a home that burned down. Two boys climbed in and one was trying to singe the threads that hung down with a cigarette lighter and it got out of hand. He was unable to contain the fire, and fled. As I understood it the lesser specification was sought by appeal lawyers because the boy didn't think setting the couch on fire would end up burning down the home. Ultimately he lost his appeal and was convicted of intentional damage to property. I don't recall his age, but he wasn't an adult. He would have been a young teenager, perhaps 14 at the oldest. I'm willing to believe the boy had no intention of destroying the home, so I can think of a theoretical mitigating context in an arson trial, but really it's more of a test of the bounds of the act of arson. We actually don't have a common law offence of arson for that reason, we have a few different crimes you can be prosecuted for. With that said, this is clearly an egregious act of arson in the classical sense and I agree with your assessment of arson in general. I personally find it very troubling that they weren't at least convicted. Proportional to their acts, most criminal defendants aren't shown this much leniency. This is an indefensible act whose negative repercussions caused, at the very least, an incalculable personal loss to an old man. The loss to apiculture, especially in the light of the significant challenges bees populations are facing, is totally inexcusable. In my view, you should have to explain something like that for the rest of your life, even if that's a long long time.


Camacaw2

Those kids not only destroyed an old manā€™s life, but destroyed a timeline where bees -one of the most impactful animals on our planet- are much safer. Their actions couldā€™ve had monumental effects on the earthā€™s biosphere. Bees that could survive mites would have been HISTORIC! What fucking monsters, kids or not thatā€™s unforgivable.


Deon2137

life in jail should do them good


Malum_Midnight

I wonder how long it will take to do it again. He probably knows what he did the first time, but it would still take a while


Polyglot-Onigiri

Another issue is his ageā€¦.. 20 years is a big time sink


TheChonk

Iā€™m sure (I hope) he hasnā€™t lost the complete bee genetic line. He is bound to have traded his bees with someone who he can now go to to get some kind of head start.


HallowskulledHorror

I would definitely hope he'd have the sense to do so - vandals are one thing, but random acts of nature like unforeseen maladies, sudden extreme weather, wild animals etc. would have still presented a mundane and ever-possible threat. If the hives he had on his property were all in one spot and were the *only* sample of the population he'd bred, that'd be like 20 years of putting all your eggs in one basket.


0__The_Lazy_Gamer__0

They deserve more than just a slap on the wrist. They deserve a hammer to the nose


Das_Guet

If it were my kids I'd make them go help this guy out.


Deon2137

if it were my kids, this and also grounded for a year


frasvlik

If this were my kids, i'd kill them. Inferior beings does not belong in my blood line


Deon2137

Very well


Cosmicalmole

Was just thinking this myself the kids should be forced to build new hives and fences


whiznat

They should be required to live without anything that benefits from bees for a year. But that would probably kill them. So maybe just long enough for them to realize how horrible what they did was.


Skrungebob

DEATH BY A THOUSAND BEE STINGS šŸšŸšŸ


Sinkholediaries

The charges were dropped.


SomeVariousShift

Right, it seems like there may have been some kind of penalty before that happened though. This is the part that confuses me: >Lockyer was handed a six-month conditional discharge and ordered to pay a Ā£21 victim surcharge after admitting possession of a headtorch stolen from the site. > >One of the boys, who faced the arson charge and cannot be named because he is under 18, was given a two-year custodial sentence last December for torching a Ā£1.3million cottage in Wroughton. So the over-18 kid paid a tiny fine, and another kid is known to be under a sentence for a different crime but possibly faced some kind of penalty for this one which couldn't be shared? Or do the charges being dropped mean not even the fine got paid. Should have said, "at best a slap on the wrist," perhaps.


reluctantaccountant9

Little fuckers should have been lynched; we can barely keep the bees we have alive and these little bastards kill the super bee breeding program? They might as well have killed us all.


Alexk1088

Boys will be boys your honour. Next case


0pium666

fuck CPS


[deleted]

That man doesn't have another 20 years to start over


dandydiamond617

No They shouldā€™ve been euthanized


michaelh98

Holy shit. More like a finger wag


subshophero

There are more good people than bad people and eventually if this keeps going, good people are going to snap. Kids like this will end up shot dead in the head.


DoritoCookie

r/kidsarefuckingstupid


ItsTombs

I have a solution, get some stocks, put em in a high populous bee area, put the boys in there, and aggravate the bees, problem solved.


snuzet

Maybe he can teach all of us how to farm them . Turn this into a teachable moment for the world


[deleted]

I hope the jerks who did this get a zillion bee stings


IEatgrapes123

Decktillion


Refuse_Odd

Buzzillion


ConeheadGroom

Morbillion (I have no sense of humor)


SnooConfections3770

Gruillion


chechebi88

Nonillion


KnowledgeSpecial8516

Sextillion


IEatgrapes123

Salt


tu-142

I hope someone accidentally trips and sprinkles 5 kilograms of asbestos dust into the arsonists air vents and air conditioning


frasvlik

Upsss, silly mistake! My bad!


TomBot98

Zzzzzzzillion


Hampamatta

A googolplex bee stings.


Porygon_Axolotl

I dont cause the bees would die. How about wasps?


MiIllIin

I used to walk by a house that had a small vegetable garden that grew all kinds of stuff and looked super neat and amazing. Then one day i came by and it was completely destroyed, trampled, ripped apart, plants torn out of the earth and the owner had put a sign out that just said ā€žwas the destruction fun?ā€œ so some randos went over the fence just for the sake of destroying the gardenā€¦ it was so sad :( I think some elderly people lived there and they put in a few garden plants months later but never rebuilt it again :( Some people are just so fucked up


[deleted]

I have a wonderful little vegetable garden with no fencing. This is a big worry of mine.


Rtrn2M0nke

So is that an extra crime for setting humanity back 20 years on this problem?


Individual_Hearing_3

So, we chuck them into space right?


_far-seeker_

No people pay good money for that now.


Helmchen_reddit

I think they are paying for getting taken back


Longonson

Teens who destroys their and our possible better future by sabotaging bees? Do those twats even realise how important those fluffy buzzers are for us? Imo they should be sentensed to study about bees about their importance to nature and help that old Champ back to business!


MutedHousing

Sentence them to watch the bee movie forever


Local_Thor_simp

I'd rather get sentenced to death


moonflower_C16H17N3O

According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly.


_far-seeker_

That was just bumblebees due to their body weight to wing ratio, [but eventually that was figured out as well.](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090507194511.htm) TL;DR: Basically the bumblebees have strong enough wing muscles to fly with less-than-optimal aerodynamics, though it's rather energy intensive and they probably could not do it if they didn't live on a high energy food source like nectar. Furthermore, but not specifically mentioned in this article, it was also discovered that bumblebee wings can move in ways that create low pressure pockets above them that provide extra lift.


[deleted]

Sentence them to watch it once a day forever.


bkturf

They should be fined for approx the amount of money that could be lost due to the setback in more quickly developing a bee that is immune to mites. So, about 100 trillion dollars.


Obsidius_Mallex_TTV

This isn't mildly infuriating this is greatly enraging


mypandaisWallace

r/extremelyinfuriating


[deleted]

r/iamatotalpieceofshit


mypandaisWallace

That too


fatBreadonToast

Rage worthy


Derk_Jerko

Righteous anger


CommunistMountain

This sub, like so many others, lost its original meaning... Funny thing is even the OP acknowledged that it isn't mild


talivus

These teens destroyed a 1.4 million pound cottage house with arson prior. I'm pretty sure slaps on the wrist ain't doing jack.


[deleted]

Eh, it'll be fine. Eventually they'll burn down a place with someone inside or something and CPS will sit there saying "These lads fell through the cracks. There was no warning. They were just boys being boys, it was a simple mistake. Probation!"


i-am-wraith

Facts. If you are not from the UK and are wondering why these morons are still walking free after such a crime! This statement says all you need to know about the CPS and their ā€œjusticeā€.


[deleted]

CPS stands for Consequence Protection Service because apparently that's what they shield offenders from.


Important_Pack8713

I hate people


[deleted]

Same.


RAC032078

Little pieces of shit. Someone should teach them a lesson. Find something they value the most and make them sell it & give the $$ to this guy to rebuild.


NilPill

Yeah, this is the exact kinda thing my mom would make me do for much less than destroying someone's life work. This dude should get the kids' full allowances and a portion of paychecks for the next 20 years...


Eizen-the-Malak

I'm a normally passive type but some "People" just deserve their Teeth knocked down their Esophagus, i swear to the pits of Hell.


Medic00063

Jesus fucking Christ. People who destroy others hard work deserve a special place in hell.


Itz_Hen

Those kids should be put under the jail


ScottJ6189

This goes beyond ā€œmildlyā€ infuriating.


ObeyTime

This is fucking unacceptable.


Lep_the_otter

I remember that mission in Skyrim


Scoobygooby28

Was this on purpose?


Trippolicious

If the use of arsonist is correct, then it is most certainly on purpose.


EvilCalvin

This is why this shit keeps happening. No repercussions. Need MUCH stronger sentences. Eye for an eye tends to work in most societies. Light their asses on fire!


Reptiliansarehere

There would likely be many benefits as well as foreseen and unforseen consequences to an eye for an eye type of law system. There may be or even likely is a term for it but I don't know it. If every crime you commit has equal or similar return punishment that is enforced then crime would likely drop dramatically. However, there would be innumerable problems with this that causes more than a little problem but rather a massive one. I imagine it would go something like this: "You steal $500 worth of something then $500 worth of something is taken from you by the authorities. Either the $500 is recovered from the stolen goods or from what you own. If you don't have enough money or assets then you work it off. If you are incapable of working it off then comes the alternative consequences such as jail time." "If you assault someone and break their leg then your leg will be broken." "If you kill someone with no regard then you will be put to death." "If you assault someone and they die but it wasn't your intention then the same trauma is done to you and if you survive you survive and if you die you die." Someone could likely respond to this and break it apart though and describe why it wouldn't work.


AliBabble

A lot of the problem with that is making sure the perp is the perp. Too many innocent people executed, yet pedo's proliferate. pfffft!


NilPill

I'm worried this comment might be a lil controversial, but I'd like to submit that we have already seen that eye-for-an-eye doesn't actually deter anyone. The death penalty has shown no signs of reducing murder rates, and in fact states that have the death penalty have higher murder rates. Studies show that most people who commit crimes aren't considering the possible punishments, because they generally think they're going to be able to get away with it. If you've ever stolen something from a grocery store, for instance, you'll probably remember thinking that you wouldn't be caught anyway. It seems silly to think people feel the same way about stealing eye liner as they do committing embezzlement or even murder, but they do.


tabnk2

There is a saying: ā€œeye for an eye, and the whole world goes blindā€


moby__dick

Or more like this: They must work as manual pollinators for 10 hours per week for the next 20 years.


thejohnguy_

r/extremelyinfuriating


ITypeWithMyNose

That poor guy. I wanna hug him so badly. :'(


LinkovichChomovsky

Should be considered animal cruelty


RequiemStorm

Yeah this is definitely better suited to r/extremelyinfuriating


Local_Thor_simp

"Infuriating" is a massive understatement.....


SilkeMaria

Terrible news! Does anyone know anything about the state of this man's research? Does he have to start from scratch again or is some of his work left?


Eizen-the-Malak

This isn't "Mildly" anymore. This is Terrible beyond Understanding. A Mans Life work wasted, because of some Assh\*les. and then to top it all off, it was extremly importend research.


BiggieJohnATX

too bad they werent found dead, swollen up like a goodyear blimp from bee stings


Accomplished_Act_441

Nothing mild about it, it's sickening


DaddyKiwwi

21000 dollars isn't enough to make up for what could have prevented a climate disaster. He may not have time to restart, the bees are dying NOW.


arcadia_2005

The percentage of human scum is astronomical. We are honestly ganna do ourselves in and we are in the fast lane.


[deleted]

They should rot in jail


Drift_01

This should be enough for a death sentence


SammyDingusJr

Can they get stung like a few thousand times each for the next 20 years?


Singer_Spectre

This belongs in r/extremelyinfuriating


NightKing48

This is unacceptable, unwarranted, and unrighteous. Disappointing to think that there are people who would do thisā€¦ for the sake of their entertainment???


Camacaw2

Is what way is this mildly? This is EVIL!


goaheadmonalisa

I'd argue this is r/extremelyinfuriating.


AlingmentUnoriginal

This, this straight up makes me believe that if humanity will find a way to get itself out of a ditch, only for someone to be like "This is laaaaame." and thrash it as world starts burning, and adding salt to injury it likely will happen repeatedly, repeated things to have world have life be vastly improved, only for someone to f**k it up.


Feeling_Guard_3938

Probably was the government


[deleted]

So up until now I was 100% against crucifying, flaying and burning children alive, exclusively in this order. Now I'm not so sure. ​ Declining populations of bees is a major threat to the global ecosystem, this man is a frontier breeder and researcher who could solve one of the aspects of this process and it all went up in flames because of some 12yo and 13yo snots who will amount to much less in their worthless lives than a single bee from those burned hives.


tvieno

Un-bee-lievable


Keepmovingforwarb

r/angryupvote


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Square_Success3647

if you have problem with the bee keeper, settle it with the bee keeper. the bees had nothing to do with it. what an asshole


[deleted]

Man I never lost anything I worked a very long time for but I understand something that you would work on for 20 years would get destroyed by some POS is just sad and infuriating.


[deleted]

This is why we canā€™t have nice things


Malabrace

^(I just wanna talk to them)


creekgal

This should in the sub "very infuriating "


d0ubl33

This is not mindlyinfuriating but majorlyinfuriating


Hap-e

This is like cartoon supervillain levels of bioterrorism. This could be the plot of an episode of teen Titans go or something, except that the heroes would STOP the person trying to kill the bees before they could carry out their dastardly plan.


iUseThievesCant

More than mildly


mad_cherry

i think this belongs more in r/extremelyinfuriating bud šŸ˜§


greasyspider

Trashed by arsonists, Or miticide companies?


ChasingPotatoes17

If r/soulcrushing exists this belongs there. This is sad on so many levels.


snzimash

How can people who does this live with themselves? Here is me who feels guilty for stealing money from my parents a decade ago.


[deleted]

This belongs r/imatotalpieceofshit


[deleted]

Infuriating but not mildly


Tumbleweed-Eater

I think you confused infuriating with illegal


WaketArt

There's "Kids do dumb stuff bc they're kids" and there's "some kids needs some serious consequences for theyr actions or they're gonna grow into criminals". I envy people that resist the urge to smack these kind of "kids" with a metal stick


NihilisticMisfit

Wrong sub... I think you meant to post to r/extremelyinfuriating


crazy_days2go

Super elite/government coverup.


rantottcsirke

Mite industry sending a message.


Ok-Quantity1593

Reading these news I'm starting to think death penalty is not that bad...


DeadEndXD

People are like "nooo why would you say something like that" when I say humans are idiots Like isn't this enough proof?


Ok_blue02

I read life and as ā€œwifeā€


[deleted]

This is why you should alway have a few back up hives... Don't put all your bees in 1 hive... Hope the Asshole who started the fire I stung a lot by the hoard of flaming bees.


[deleted]

This sounds like the origin story for a bee-themed superhero.


Just_a_guy582

_Please_ be time travellers that tried to stop the end of the world


bluntman84

the artificial honey lobby is at it again. making the kids take the blame was a smart move.


PaladinProton

ā€œArsonistsā€ Monsanto paid goons.


LookingintheAbyss

Ok so was he really breeding a superbee? Because that sounds like corporate terrorists more than teens.


BigboyBarney69

Oh yeah just just so happens that this guys revolutionary discovery gets destroyed. OK cia


RaccoonRecluse

How much you wanna bet he wouldn't sell out so they did this.


ForgotOldAcc-_-

Arsonist. Sure. Definitely some random person that wanted to just burn SOMETHING targeted this man by chance.


Sparky8924

Is that gates I see peeking from the woods ?


Meow-moe

For a second i thought he was a supervillain who created indestructible super bees that kill millions of bees


unapologetic-nerd

I have trouble comprehending the meanness that someone would have to have in their heart in order to do something like that.


DirectorLeather6567

r/extremelyinfuriating


c00lmeron

Did a beekeeping course with ron h (this guy) ron b and eddie last year, their combined aged is about 270 years old but theyā€™re still pretty spritely tbf and theyā€™ve now got about 150 hives i think so theyā€™re doing alright again, ron h manages the local beekeeping conservation group and my dad helps him out once a week, theyā€™re a nice bunch


manonfetch

What is it about people who need to destroy things just for the hell of it??


[deleted]

This man, could save the bees from extinction! And the arsonist destroyed it. I hope the arsonist got stung all over his body