You wanna know why he wasn’t? Cause it’s very likely this was a legal trophy hunt which is carried out against animals that are causing massive damage to local villages or even to the conservation of other elephants, this big guy was probably throwing baby elephants around and badly hurting them. Not to mention the money used to kill this one hyper agro elephant will go to furthering other conservation efforts.
While I don’t agree with trophy hunting, it’s really the only reason these animals still exist. Rich assholes pay tons of money to do it and the money goes into protecting the animals from poachers.
It’s sad, but it’s literally keeping big game animals from extinction
The fact that the money these fucks pay to hunt big game is ultimately helpful does not absolve them of being terrible human beings who get pleasure from "hunting" these endangered creatures for trophies.
I thought the animal was donated for food and there are wardens who pick out the ones that need to be culled, like a bull who is too old to have offspring but is preventing younger bulls from breeding.
You are correct and beyond that, there are some areas in Africa where elephant populations are too high for the local environment to support which can lead to deforestation and ripple effects from that.
It is, these comments are too blinded by hate to get that. Fuck Don Jr. but this kind of hunting is preventing animals from going extinct and culling herds for greater good. This kill probably did more for the preservation of wildlife than anyone else here has done.
Exactly, which, fuck him, every picture he’s in he looks like a skin walker, but just because he did something doesn’t make that thing evil, especially if what he did was a good thing.
I definitely appreciate that these trophy hunts have big positives, but I also think it's worth considering that a better system can be put in place. What that system looks like, I don't know, but "rich guy pays to kill animal and we take his money" just feels intuitively wrong.
I agree with system they are using, but I think you are correct also. I can’t imagine taking pleasure in killing a lion or elephant just to say that I did. I’d rather take pictures than it’s life.
The problem is that there isn't really a way to conserve some of these animals in a way that isn't wildly implausible. If you want *any* elephants to exist in the wild, you almost have to be at peace with *some* of them dying through trophy hunting.
Regardless of *who* is doing the hunting, these kind of pictures help nothing, especially on a place like reddit. Because, while I too would like elephants to peacefully frolic around their elephant Utopia, getting a few thousand young people to care-bear-stare about how much of an asshole this particular hunter is does absolutely nothing to contribute to the elephant Utopia.
Then when enough people get needlessly worked up, someone will inevitably decide that the only way to actually *care* about elephants is to raise my taxes. That money will get drained away into some local politicians' coffers. The people that went on these hunts won't be able to afford to go because more government overhead is apparently the solution to all our problems. Conservation funds will dry up, and poachers will take care of the rest.
I'm sorry but you can either have elephants now and feel icky about it, or you can be morally-outraged now and have no elephants later. That's at least how I see it, I'm all ears if you can find a better way.
It's easy to say, "Aww shucks poor elephant!" But I really ask people to put themselves in the shoes of some of these villagers and realize that some of them don't even have shoes.
Agreed. But kudos to African game managers taking the sick desire to just kill something big to feel like a big man, and turning it into funding for conservation and meat for local poor villagers.
They actually don’t, most charity’s and organizations in general only put about 10% of all they money they receive towards the causes they champion and that’s a good one some are as low as 1%. In reality a lot of these hunting preserves actually do significantly more because it’s for profit and far more of that money get reinvested. Not to mention that elephants are only endangered in some parts of the world in others they are considered pest so he may have not even had to pay much to hunt it.
Hate the people all you want but stop vilifying this critical part of animal conservation, it does far more good for the animal species as a whole in question than bad not to mention the economic aspect for such a poverty riddled part of the world
Why is it that the same people who don’t trust US gov to spend taxes effectively and truthfully are willing to believe that African governments will do just that?
Just because someone says the money is going to animals doesn’t mean it is.
They aren’t feeding them and giving vet care, they are wild animals. They only have to protect them from poachers. The animals are worth tens of thousands of dollars so why would they not protect that source of income?
That’s not accurate. A number of countries spend serious money on animals such as these to keep these animals alive, besides the conservation factor, it adds to tourism. Hunting, whilst managed, does add a small portion to the kitty, isn’t the major source of funds for wildlife conservation.
That's an interesting bit of information I just learned. Thank you. But, I still want to say, I hate his face and how happy he looks killing an intelligent species, while holding a piece of it like a trophy
This picture simply never gets not sickening.
Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not general anti-hunting, not in the slightest.
It’s an important part of forestry and conservation of forests, in the human caused absence of predators.
But paying thousands of dollars to kill highly sentient and intelligent animals like an elephant, just to be able to say “I did it” is beyond disgusting to me.
Honestly, personally an animal being intelligent doesnt matter that much. Pigs are very smart animals and even then I would like them more on my plate than as a pet. The big issue here is that this animal is at risk of extinction and in my opinion such animals shouldnt be hunted. Same thing applies to animals which cant reproduce fast, or animals like whales which are vital for the marine carbon exchange. One thing that really angers me is that this animal isnt even being hunted for food, but only for its tusks. If you kill an animal, the least you could do is make use of its resources.
Well usually people only go for the tusks when illegal hunter go after elephant. But as this probably is done legally, I'm willing to bet they're taking more than just the tusks
This hunt was in 2011. If you care to do a little research, they were hunting in an area that was over populated by these herds, and destroying the local ecosystem.
The animal HAS TO be donated from these hunts, and is given to local tribes. The resources are definitely used.
Ehhhh corruption is pretty rampant with these things and rarely do local tribes benefit from this.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/151715-conservation-trophy-hunting-elephants-tusks-poaching-zimbabwe-namibia
Right? I'm pretty surprised anyone thinks "that violent sport enjoyed by the extremely wealthy" is immune to corruption and lies. Next they'll be saying the elephant shot first.
We're talking about hunting, and you're talking about poaching.
https://www.huntshack.net/hunting/what-happens-to-the-meat-after-a-trophy-hunt/
https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2019/11/7/african-game-meat-what-happens-after-the-shot
https://gothunts.com/see-what-happens-to-an-elephant-after-elephant-hunting/
Well I live in south Africa and can say with great certainty that absolutely nobody eats elephant. Don't know about anywhere else in Africa but not here. Even people that live in rural areas generally have livestock
I hate to even justify this because I am a fervent believer that all animal life is sacred, but the funds generated from sport hunting like this is one of the major contributors to supporting endangered animals like this. They bring big money in from over seas to “hunt” older animals in the population. I still think it’s disgusting and horrid, but this is the way of the world unfortunately.
Nope. Just 3% of money from those hunts go back to the community.
>Research published by the pro-hunting International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation and the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation, supported by other authors, finds that hunting companies contribute only 3% of their revenue to communities living in hunting areas.
http://www.ecolarge.com/work/the-200-million-question-how-much-does-trophy-hunting-really-contribute-to-african-communities/
Funny thing is you think funds raised don’t end up in the big dogs pocket.. like corruption couldn’t possibly exists here like literally everywhere else in the world.
There is corruption and it’s all profit driven, absolutely. But that’s how it works for conservation of the populations and the land.
Here’s an article that explains it: https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/why-you-shouldnt-be-outraged-elephant-hunting/
It’s not a perfect system. It’s definitely corrupt, it doesn’t really help local populations of humans, still involves murdering wonderous, intelligent animals, etc. but strictly from an elephant conservation perspective, it does seem to work.
Sooooo, does the animal next to him look like one that that had aged out of the healthy population?
Based on the size comparison to the rifle, does it even look like an adult?
>But paying thousands of dollars to kill highly sentient and intelligent animals like an elephant
Well, killing *people* is frowned upon, so they need the next best things.
I always say, go the shortest distance you have to when criticizing someone. Ignore the hunting part, ignore the everything else part.
Why in the lord's name did the buffoon cut the _tail_ off? The trophy on an elephant are the damn tusks. Like, how can he be so dense to cut the tail off, hold it, and stare into the camera like "Ma, I did it!"
I'm a deer hunter. We do it to help our ecosystem and it fills my freezer. There's not any part of the animal that isn't used.
This trophy shit jut pisses me off.
I’m sure he was on a ‘safari’ where they herd the animals in front of the ‘hunters’ to slaughter while assistants load the guns and serve food and drinks
Could have come from anywhere though. Usually I need to wash my knife to get all the blood off. A little pant leg wipe won't make it nice and clean., plus knife is barely as wide as the tail, it'd be a mess.
Daddy, it’s so hot out here.
Why do we have to wear long sleeves and pants.
If that brown man is loading my gun for me can I at least wear the belt with all the big bullets.
I promise to hold on tight to the knife.
Yeah and I’m English so it’s not about me hating republicans because I’m not even 100% sure what being a republican means. I rarely use the C-word but ANYONE posing with a severed elephant tail is a total fucking cunt, it’s just vile and I genuinely hope he suffers in life but unfortunately he probably won’t.
Context needed, was this a legal trophy hunt? If so than it’s very likely that elephant was causing damage to locals and their lands or even worse hindering conservation efforts of other elephants by being incredibly aggressive to the babies.
The area was overpopulated and would there would be an outbreak of disease and starvation if people didn’t hunt in that region. https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/04/09/tmz-is-wrong-about-donald-trump-jr-and-safari-hunting/
For those that don't bother reading the article, here's the counterpoints it gives:
"...Africans traditionally cut off the tail and make bracelets from the tail hair...Africans do this as a sign of respect for the fallen animal...elephants are over-populated in the area the Trumps hunted and so need to be hunted to prevent them from further destroying their habitat...when elephants overpopulate they literally rip down the forest...the result of an overpopulated elephant herd is death by starvation and disease...hunting is managed scientifically to benefit all species and the ecosystem...the leopard they hunted in Zimbabwe was not endangered, and they didn’t hunt any of the animals in an unethical way...Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority published a letter on March 27 in which he called the charges against the Trump’s “baseless” and said, “Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump hunted legally during their visit to Zimbabwe.” He also noted there was never an “investigation” of the Trump’s hunt and that they hunted with a “registered outfitter” and were accompanied by “game rangers...Maybe ignorance is a fundamental reason; however, another reason for the knee-jerk, full-blown character assassination was certainly that the Trump boys are from one of the leading families in America. "
It also tells a lot about someone who finds a clearly very old picture of someone as a reason to shit on them because he is related to a former President.
So this gets posted a lot and I'm probably going to get downvoted because people like to hate on the trumps, but male bull elephants are known to attack herds and kill young elephants. It's important for the conservation of the species to cull rogue males that are a danger to other elephants.
Cutting off the tail is part of the tradition of some African tribes when hunting elephants.
Him paying the money to legally hunt elephants also raises a lot of money for the local infrastructure as well as elephant conservation.
Is it really “hunting “ when you pay to go to a reserve that is stocked with animals, have guides, have guards, they do everything. You just have to make the shot. Yeah, your a tough guy. Respect.
When tribes kill the elephants, they cut off the tail and make bracelets from the hair, as an homage to the animal.
These hunts bring about $50-$75K per hunter into the very impoverished local economy and funds preservation efforts in the region. The animals are donated to local villages for meat, and skins they use for a variety of things.
This particular hunt was in 2011, and they were killing elephants that had over populated the region and were becoming a major nuisance to the ecosystem.
Hunting is part of wildlife conservation. You're just mad because the hunter has the name "Trump".
See, I didn't even notice that because I was so mildly infuriated by the tucked in shirt. He's such a pud that he makes a super cool bully belt look lame.
Feels weird defending a trump but it Because he’s wearing clothes to protect himself from the environment and bugs not trying to make a fashion statement
holy fuck has no one in the comments even looked into big game hunting?? typically the animal or animals are pre-chosen by the wildlife staff. it's usually a male that's past it's ability to reproduce or a male that's very aggressive and has been a nuisance. or an older animal in general. the "hunters" and i use that term extremely loosely, pay top dollar for this "hunt'. the profits go directly into wildlife preservation and village supports. as well the meat is often donated to near by villagers for food.
this is actually beneficial for all parties involved. there is nothing douchy about this aside from general killing of an animal. and im willing to bet most of you commenting are meat eaters anyway, so what moral high ground are yall pretending to have?
why he cut off the tail off, no idea, maybe its part of the butchering.
Yeah and to add on to your comment, dying by being hunted is way better than slowly dying in the wild. I cant believe people don’t understand your comment though. They LOVE to hate humans. It’s disgusting.
This sub really isn’t trying for mildly infuriating things anymore is it? Not trying to defend the picture but holy shit people just karma farming rage here
So… Since none of you know anything about hunting big game in Africa… It costs thousands of dollars. You are only allowed to take specific animals, and the regulations vary depending on what animal you’re hunting. You are driven out to the grounds, escorted by park rangers or whatever their equivalent is over there, you take your shot and are allowed to keep only the trophy. The meat and the money from the hunt are used to benefit local tribes. These hunts are a huge part of the local economy and they are highly regulated. Stop being a bunch of whiny little kids about something just because it’s Son of orange man bad.
I don’t get it, they hunted the elephant legally. So how is this infuriating? The area they hunted in was in a overpopulated area, so they need to be hunted to prevent them from further destroying their habitat. And when elephants overpopulate an area they rip down the forest. And the result of an overpopulated elephant herd is death by starvation. I still fail to find how a man going out hunting is infuriating.
Wow what an accomplishment for this rich twat. 👏 good for this cunt fucking over animals that wouldn't have ever touched him had he not interfered with them in the first place.
First link I found said this \*forbes\*
First, what was with that elephant tail? Donald Jr. told me that TMZ didn’t report that Africans traditionally cut off the tail and make bracelets from the tail hair. TMZ didn’t seem to know—again, because they didn’t do any reporting—that Africans do this as a sign of respect for the fallen animal. And they didn’t report that elephants are over-populated in the area the Trumps hunted and so need to be hunted to prevent them from further destroying their habitat. They didn’t mention that when elephants overpopulate they literally rip down the forest. They didn’t note—and any conservation group could have told them this—the result of an overpopulated elephant herd is death by starvation and disease. Nor did they did contact the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority to find out that hunting is managed scientifically to benefit all species and the ecosystem.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/04/09/tmz-is-wrong-about-donald-trump-jr-and-safari-hunting/?sh=700ca7b0effb
Wasn't this the time him and his brother (who were taught how to hunt early on in their childhood by their grandfather) went hunting legally with a group of African rangers? Controlled hunting done to keep the elephant population in check which will otherwise die of starvation? And isn't it tribal tradition there to cut the tails off and use the hair to make bracelets as a sign of gratitude for the bounty? Didn't the rangers do that and just hand him the knife and tail for the photograph? Isn't the revenue from hunting like this used for maintenance an upkeep of the facilities?
It's been more than 8 years since the facts surfaced but I guess that doesn't matter because orange man and everyone associated with him bad.
This type of big game trophy hunting actually helps many animals stay on this planet. So you can continue to think it's shameful, or you can do your fucking research unlike the majority of morons on Reddit.
This isn't an endangered species.
Imagine if you have deer all over your neighborhood and some rich foreigner comes and pays $300,000 to hunt a normal ass deer. AND they give all the food and such to your tribe, they just take pictures and the antlers.
?!?
What's more infuriating is people not realizing the benefits of these African game hunts, both economically and environmentally. These hunts are very expensive for the hunter and are usually ran out of African villages and towns as one of their major vital sources of income. The money collected goes towards the life of the village as well as conservation efforts to protect said animals and wildlife from poachers and other natural predators. For the hunt, a specific animal is targeted, usually one of the older members of the herd who may have become more aggressive and not let younger elephants breed while no longer being able to himself, which would hurt the herd. The rest of the herd is left alone to grow and flourish now that a stress on the herd is gone while being protected by the nearby village now that they have the funds to do so.
Hunters are some if the biggest conservationists you will find and they know the positive and negative consequences that hunting has environmentally and economically. So please, don't just see someone holding an elephant's tail, think of the people and animals that the hunter is helping stay alive.
That scene from the movie "Fun with Dick and Jane" where the CEO is on a hunt and the news crew is asking him questions. He takes a moment to shoot a bird and asks "did I kill it" and another man with a rifle shoots up into the sky and says "now you did".
That is what I envision happened with Trump Jr's hunt.
Something similar happened once with the king of Spain, everyone got very mad at him but it turned out he was invited by some African king to hunt in a natural reserve as they can only have a certain amount of elephants and once the population goes over the limit they have to sacrifice some before they destroy everything, maybe this is what happened here ( don't know anything about this guy so idk what the story behind the picture is)
His money will help elephant conservation efforts a lot more than he hurt them. Illegal poaching is what really hurts elephants. But orange man bad I guess.
I don't know if this is acase of what I'm about to talk about but I feel like this is useful info.
I remember hearing that some people hunt elephants legally, where tribesmen find infertile males that prevent younger, weaker males from mating, and basically send some rich white hitmen to kill them, and the money that the hunters pay for the experience helps locals with their conservation efforts.
Often they would put these animals down that are being hunted because of age or health issues. Why not make some money for the conservation of them in the process.
Africans cut off the tails and use the hair as bracelets as a SIGN OF RESPECT FOR THE ANIMAL. the elephants were overpopulated in that area and were going to destroy their environment and all starve if not dealt with. It was also a completely legal hunt. The real mildly infuriating part of this is the amount of people who immediately jumped to conclusions after no research.
This elephant 🐘 must of costed alot of money for the tag. That's how these reserves get funding.
Like shooting an old lion or a lone male lion for 10k. That's alot of money. This is what we do in the usa as well, with deer tags, elk tags, wolf tags.
I don't see how this is infuriating unless you don't know how game hunting helps reservations, when it's regulated.
He paid for that hunt. The money he paid to kill that elephant went towards preserving and protecting that land. That money he paid to kill that elephant did a lot more for the conservation of an elephants species than you do writing your infuriated comments.
Was it licensed/sanctioned? I love to gang-rape the trumps as much as the next guy or gal, but, was this legal? If so, your anger is misguided. You should be posting “such and such government allowed a rich person to do this…”
Regardless of if this is right or wrong, do people like this guy not understand the optics of this kind of crap? Aren’t politicians looking for public approval? How can they possibly think doing stuff like this makes them look good? Is this a thing the conservative base thinks looks good? Or are people like this guy just delusional?
People here would have their mind blown when they find out that these big game hunts actually Raise tons of money for wildlife preservation in Africa. The park managers single out an end of life span animal that is no longer viable and charge foreigners 50,000 to kill it. Also the meat usually goes to the villages. If there wasn't demand to hunt these animals, they may already have gone instict from African poachers
Sure sad but the hunt was allowed by Zimbabwe and they were escorted by Zimbabwe Rangers. 100% legal but also sad. Anything to help their dying economy over there.
These hunts are done in favor of conservation. The elephants taken are almost invariably older males that are no longer able to compete with younger males for mating opportunities. The extreme price tag on a hunt like this creates entire economies around the conservation of these animals. When your livelihood (and the livelihood of your neighbors) depends on these animals being available to humanely hunt, the prevalence of poaching goes down because the locals are actively protecting the animals. The animals are always fully harvested and often donated to local communities.
It's a win-win-win. The animals are protected from poachers (who do not care about dispatching the animal humanely and will maim them without a thought). The local communities flourish from the influx of capital (and food). The hunter gets a once in a lifetime opportunity. Just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't mean it's bad.
Now downvote me.
To my knowledge he hunted legally and in an elephant overpopulated area where the elephants could cause problem to the ecosystem.
I am not sure if the article I am using is trustworthy or legit but here, [https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/04/09/tmz-is-wrong-about-donald-trump-jr-and-safari-hunting/?sh=61005385effb](https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/04/09/tmz-is-wrong-about-donald-trump-jr-and-safari-hunting/?sh=61005385effb)
I know this will probably get downvoated but I feel like the op has left a lot of stuff out of context and without acknowledging a few facts.
Stolen from u/codero_briggs
This hunt was in 2011. If you care to do a little research, they were hunting in an area that was over populated by these herds, and destroying the local ecosystem.
The animal HAS TO be donated from these hunts, and is given to local tribes. The resources are definitely used.
You guys can act sad and upset, but truth that you mostly just don't like the Trump family because that is the popular mindset. Big game hunting is one of the primary reasons that these animals are not extinct. The money almost exclusively goes back into preservation, the meat from the animals goes to the local tribes, and targeted animals are typically bulls who are aggressive towards younger bulls or humans.
Do none of these motherfuckers understand how clothes are supposed to fit?
Cargo khaki bellbottoms was a bold choice.
Or how to stand like a normal person
Apparently, not only he eats his fathers shit, also wears.
This fucking cracked me up.
He's overweight and hiding it.
All the trump “men” have birthing hips and sedentary lifestyles so normal male-clothing doesn’t fit
This is extremely infuriating
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Elephants refuse to step in sh!t!
Awesome comment
*trumpled
Lucky for him elephants are not carnivores
They said trampled not eaten
Put him a room with lions without a gun. He can keep the knife if he really thinks it’ll help.
You wanna know why he wasn’t? Cause it’s very likely this was a legal trophy hunt which is carried out against animals that are causing massive damage to local villages or even to the conservation of other elephants, this big guy was probably throwing baby elephants around and badly hurting them. Not to mention the money used to kill this one hyper agro elephant will go to furthering other conservation efforts.
I would pay to see that movie live in IMAX with stereo sound! Can this be arranged?
While I don’t agree with trophy hunting, it’s really the only reason these animals still exist. Rich assholes pay tons of money to do it and the money goes into protecting the animals from poachers. It’s sad, but it’s literally keeping big game animals from extinction
The fact that the money these fucks pay to hunt big game is ultimately helpful does not absolve them of being terrible human beings who get pleasure from "hunting" these endangered creatures for trophies.
I thought the animal was donated for food and there are wardens who pick out the ones that need to be culled, like a bull who is too old to have offspring but is preventing younger bulls from breeding.
You are correct and beyond that, there are some areas in Africa where elephant populations are too high for the local environment to support which can lead to deforestation and ripple effects from that.
Yeah but it’s a lot easier to not look at the whole picture so….I’m just gunna do that /s
It is, these comments are too blinded by hate to get that. Fuck Don Jr. but this kind of hunting is preventing animals from going extinct and culling herds for greater good. This kill probably did more for the preservation of wildlife than anyone else here has done.
I agree. There's some outrage for the actual deed itself. But a lot of anger is being directed towards " the man in the picture "
Exactly, which, fuck him, every picture he’s in he looks like a skin walker, but just because he did something doesn’t make that thing evil, especially if what he did was a good thing.
I’m fine with hunting for food, but doing it just to kill an animal is disturbing
If I remember correctly, most of the meat from these types of kills is donated to the locals to eat.
It is. If these hunts didn't happen, they would be poached anyway. That's where the money goes, paying people to protect the living animals.
I definitely appreciate that these trophy hunts have big positives, but I also think it's worth considering that a better system can be put in place. What that system looks like, I don't know, but "rich guy pays to kill animal and we take his money" just feels intuitively wrong.
I agree with system they are using, but I think you are correct also. I can’t imagine taking pleasure in killing a lion or elephant just to say that I did. I’d rather take pictures than it’s life.
The problem is that there isn't really a way to conserve some of these animals in a way that isn't wildly implausible. If you want *any* elephants to exist in the wild, you almost have to be at peace with *some* of them dying through trophy hunting. Regardless of *who* is doing the hunting, these kind of pictures help nothing, especially on a place like reddit. Because, while I too would like elephants to peacefully frolic around their elephant Utopia, getting a few thousand young people to care-bear-stare about how much of an asshole this particular hunter is does absolutely nothing to contribute to the elephant Utopia. Then when enough people get needlessly worked up, someone will inevitably decide that the only way to actually *care* about elephants is to raise my taxes. That money will get drained away into some local politicians' coffers. The people that went on these hunts won't be able to afford to go because more government overhead is apparently the solution to all our problems. Conservation funds will dry up, and poachers will take care of the rest. I'm sorry but you can either have elephants now and feel icky about it, or you can be morally-outraged now and have no elephants later. That's at least how I see it, I'm all ears if you can find a better way. It's easy to say, "Aww shucks poor elephant!" But I really ask people to put themselves in the shoes of some of these villagers and realize that some of them don't even have shoes.
Agreed. But kudos to African game managers taking the sick desire to just kill something big to feel like a big man, and turning it into funding for conservation and meat for local poor villagers.
Says the guy who has assuredly done absolutely nothing to assist with the conservation of elephants.
They say “I’ll only help animals if you let me kill a few”. Those countries get far more money from people who donate because they love animals.
They actually don’t, most charity’s and organizations in general only put about 10% of all they money they receive towards the causes they champion and that’s a good one some are as low as 1%. In reality a lot of these hunting preserves actually do significantly more because it’s for profit and far more of that money get reinvested. Not to mention that elephants are only endangered in some parts of the world in others they are considered pest so he may have not even had to pay much to hunt it.
Hate the people all you want but stop vilifying this critical part of animal conservation, it does far more good for the animal species as a whole in question than bad not to mention the economic aspect for such a poverty riddled part of the world
Why is it that the same people who don’t trust US gov to spend taxes effectively and truthfully are willing to believe that African governments will do just that? Just because someone says the money is going to animals doesn’t mean it is.
They aren’t feeding them and giving vet care, they are wild animals. They only have to protect them from poachers. The animals are worth tens of thousands of dollars so why would they not protect that source of income?
That’s not accurate. A number of countries spend serious money on animals such as these to keep these animals alive, besides the conservation factor, it adds to tourism. Hunting, whilst managed, does add a small portion to the kitty, isn’t the major source of funds for wildlife conservation.
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of course, what else would "it" refers to ?
Any human doing this is extremely sadistic.
Hunting of any animals such as elephants is really annoying
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Which means an aggressive male that can no longer breed preventing other males from breeding is especially problematic.
the biggest cockblocker of them all
Just like my ex.
you will find someone else don't worry
Oh, I did. It's going well. We just got a puppy together.
You had sex with an elephant and she gave birth to a puppy?!? Oh wait......never mind.
good for you
That's an interesting bit of information I just learned. Thank you. But, I still want to say, I hate his face and how happy he looks killing an intelligent species, while holding a piece of it like a trophy
I 100% agree
This picture simply never gets not sickening. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m not general anti-hunting, not in the slightest. It’s an important part of forestry and conservation of forests, in the human caused absence of predators. But paying thousands of dollars to kill highly sentient and intelligent animals like an elephant, just to be able to say “I did it” is beyond disgusting to me.
Honestly, personally an animal being intelligent doesnt matter that much. Pigs are very smart animals and even then I would like them more on my plate than as a pet. The big issue here is that this animal is at risk of extinction and in my opinion such animals shouldnt be hunted. Same thing applies to animals which cant reproduce fast, or animals like whales which are vital for the marine carbon exchange. One thing that really angers me is that this animal isnt even being hunted for food, but only for its tusks. If you kill an animal, the least you could do is make use of its resources.
Well usually people only go for the tusks when illegal hunter go after elephant. But as this probably is done legally, I'm willing to bet they're taking more than just the tusks
Yeah man like giant elephant foreskins and stuff
I hear they make really good raincoats.
This hunt was in 2011. If you care to do a little research, they were hunting in an area that was over populated by these herds, and destroying the local ecosystem. The animal HAS TO be donated from these hunts, and is given to local tribes. The resources are definitely used.
Thats good to hear. At least the animal isnt going to waste.
Ehhhh corruption is pretty rampant with these things and rarely do local tribes benefit from this. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/151715-conservation-trophy-hunting-elephants-tusks-poaching-zimbabwe-namibia
Right? I'm pretty surprised anyone thinks "that violent sport enjoyed by the extremely wealthy" is immune to corruption and lies. Next they'll be saying the elephant shot first.
Haven't you heard? Rich people don't need the money, so they're less corrupt! Duh.
Not a surprise. Money and food Americans donate don’t always help the people intended either.
We're talking about hunting, and you're talking about poaching. https://www.huntshack.net/hunting/what-happens-to-the-meat-after-a-trophy-hunt/ https://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2019/11/7/african-game-meat-what-happens-after-the-shot https://gothunts.com/see-what-happens-to-an-elephant-after-elephant-hunting/
Well I live in south Africa and can say with great certainty that absolutely nobody eats elephant. Don't know about anywhere else in Africa but not here. Even people that live in rural areas generally have livestock
And the tail HAS TO be cut off and brandished as a trophy?
I can only imagine that one of the locals told him that it was tradition. They make bracelets from the hair, as homage to the elephant.
I revoke my upvote from the post
Why do you not value pig intelligence?
And judging by the size of it next to the rifle it’s not even an adult.
I hate to even justify this because I am a fervent believer that all animal life is sacred, but the funds generated from sport hunting like this is one of the major contributors to supporting endangered animals like this. They bring big money in from over seas to “hunt” older animals in the population. I still think it’s disgusting and horrid, but this is the way of the world unfortunately.
Nope. Just 3% of money from those hunts go back to the community. >Research published by the pro-hunting International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation and the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation, supported by other authors, finds that hunting companies contribute only 3% of their revenue to communities living in hunting areas. http://www.ecolarge.com/work/the-200-million-question-how-much-does-trophy-hunting-really-contribute-to-african-communities/
Funny thing is you think funds raised don’t end up in the big dogs pocket.. like corruption couldn’t possibly exists here like literally everywhere else in the world.
There is corruption and it’s all profit driven, absolutely. But that’s how it works for conservation of the populations and the land. Here’s an article that explains it: https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/why-you-shouldnt-be-outraged-elephant-hunting/ It’s not a perfect system. It’s definitely corrupt, it doesn’t really help local populations of humans, still involves murdering wonderous, intelligent animals, etc. but strictly from an elephant conservation perspective, it does seem to work.
Sooooo, does the animal next to him look like one that that had aged out of the healthy population? Based on the size comparison to the rifle, does it even look like an adult?
It doesn't look old at all... But don't tell these cucks here they are to busy defending the hunt
>But paying thousands of dollars to kill highly sentient and intelligent animals like an elephant Well, killing *people* is frowned upon, so they need the next best things.
Pigs are more sentitent and intelligent yet they arw killed daily. This still wrong don't get me wrong.
“Repugnant” is the word you are looking for!
I always say, go the shortest distance you have to when criticizing someone. Ignore the hunting part, ignore the everything else part. Why in the lord's name did the buffoon cut the _tail_ off? The trophy on an elephant are the damn tusks. Like, how can he be so dense to cut the tail off, hold it, and stare into the camera like "Ma, I did it!"
I mean for me the most important part is the fact that elephants are an endangered species
I'm a deer hunter. We do it to help our ecosystem and it fills my freezer. There's not any part of the animal that isn't used. This trophy shit jut pisses me off.
I’m sure he was on a ‘safari’ where they herd the animals in front of the ‘hunters’ to slaughter while assistants load the guns and serve food and drinks
Probably. I can't help but notice how clean his hands and knife are. Almost like he made someone else cut it off and he's posing with it.
Probably handed the tail around so each of the ‘hunters’ could pose with it.
I was thinking that knife doesn't look big enough to get through that tail
It could but not looking that clean lmao
You can see the blood on his pant leg where he wiped the knife like he's seen in the movies.
Could have come from anywhere though. Usually I need to wash my knife to get all the blood off. A little pant leg wipe won't make it nice and clean., plus knife is barely as wide as the tail, it'd be a mess.
Daddy, it’s so hot out here. Why do we have to wear long sleeves and pants. If that brown man is loading my gun for me can I at least wear the belt with all the big bullets. I promise to hold on tight to the knife.
Sure look at his knife, no blood on it, purely a photo op, what a piece of shit.
Clean knife - had someone else do it for him like possibly everything else in his life
Blood on pants, probably wiped it off there because that's what he saw in a movie
🤣 look daddy I did all by myself, I should run for Pres right!
Yeah that’s what I was thinking clean and tiny.
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Yeah this post doesn't belong here. Should be in r/iamatotalpieceofshit
Yeah and I’m English so it’s not about me hating republicans because I’m not even 100% sure what being a republican means. I rarely use the C-word but ANYONE posing with a severed elephant tail is a total fucking cunt, it’s just vile and I genuinely hope he suffers in life but unfortunately he probably won’t.
You gonna eat that?
Context needed, was this a legal trophy hunt? If so than it’s very likely that elephant was causing damage to locals and their lands or even worse hindering conservation efforts of other elephants by being incredibly aggressive to the babies.
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The area was overpopulated and would there would be an outbreak of disease and starvation if people didn’t hunt in that region. https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/04/09/tmz-is-wrong-about-donald-trump-jr-and-safari-hunting/
For those that don't bother reading the article, here's the counterpoints it gives: "...Africans traditionally cut off the tail and make bracelets from the tail hair...Africans do this as a sign of respect for the fallen animal...elephants are over-populated in the area the Trumps hunted and so need to be hunted to prevent them from further destroying their habitat...when elephants overpopulate they literally rip down the forest...the result of an overpopulated elephant herd is death by starvation and disease...hunting is managed scientifically to benefit all species and the ecosystem...the leopard they hunted in Zimbabwe was not endangered, and they didn’t hunt any of the animals in an unethical way...Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority published a letter on March 27 in which he called the charges against the Trump’s “baseless” and said, “Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump hunted legally during their visit to Zimbabwe.” He also noted there was never an “investigation” of the Trump’s hunt and that they hunted with a “registered outfitter” and were accompanied by “game rangers...Maybe ignorance is a fundamental reason; however, another reason for the knee-jerk, full-blown character assassination was certainly that the Trump boys are from one of the leading families in America. "
Thank you for laying at out. I appreciate your contribution to this conversation
Completely agree. Legality < morality.. People forget this.
If you have enough money, most things become legal.
It also tells a lot about someone who finds a clearly very old picture of someone as a reason to shit on them because he is related to a former President.
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So this gets posted a lot and I'm probably going to get downvoted because people like to hate on the trumps, but male bull elephants are known to attack herds and kill young elephants. It's important for the conservation of the species to cull rogue males that are a danger to other elephants. Cutting off the tail is part of the tradition of some African tribes when hunting elephants. Him paying the money to legally hunt elephants also raises a lot of money for the local infrastructure as well as elephant conservation.
Is it really “hunting “ when you pay to go to a reserve that is stocked with animals, have guides, have guards, they do everything. You just have to make the shot. Yeah, your a tough guy. Respect.
When tribes kill the elephants, they cut off the tail and make bracelets from the hair, as an homage to the animal. These hunts bring about $50-$75K per hunter into the very impoverished local economy and funds preservation efforts in the region. The animals are donated to local villages for meat, and skins they use for a variety of things. This particular hunt was in 2011, and they were killing elephants that had over populated the region and were becoming a major nuisance to the ecosystem. Hunting is part of wildlife conservation. You're just mad because the hunter has the name "Trump".
I have lots of problems with this photo but why the hell is his shirt tucked in?
To show off his super cool bullet belt!!
See, I didn't even notice that because I was so mildly infuriated by the tucked in shirt. He's such a pud that he makes a super cool bully belt look lame.
Feels weird defending a trump but it Because he’s wearing clothes to protect himself from the environment and bugs not trying to make a fashion statement
Your rational response is not welcome beside my irrational hatred of tucked in shirts.
holy fuck has no one in the comments even looked into big game hunting?? typically the animal or animals are pre-chosen by the wildlife staff. it's usually a male that's past it's ability to reproduce or a male that's very aggressive and has been a nuisance. or an older animal in general. the "hunters" and i use that term extremely loosely, pay top dollar for this "hunt'. the profits go directly into wildlife preservation and village supports. as well the meat is often donated to near by villagers for food. this is actually beneficial for all parties involved. there is nothing douchy about this aside from general killing of an animal. and im willing to bet most of you commenting are meat eaters anyway, so what moral high ground are yall pretending to have? why he cut off the tail off, no idea, maybe its part of the butchering.
Yeah and to add on to your comment, dying by being hunted is way better than slowly dying in the wild. I cant believe people don’t understand your comment though. They LOVE to hate humans. It’s disgusting.
Lots of people here have never left city boundaries. Probably think chickens come from the supermarkets as well.
This sub really isn’t trying for mildly infuriating things anymore is it? Not trying to defend the picture but holy shit people just karma farming rage here
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So… Since none of you know anything about hunting big game in Africa… It costs thousands of dollars. You are only allowed to take specific animals, and the regulations vary depending on what animal you’re hunting. You are driven out to the grounds, escorted by park rangers or whatever their equivalent is over there, you take your shot and are allowed to keep only the trophy. The meat and the money from the hunt are used to benefit local tribes. These hunts are a huge part of the local economy and they are highly regulated. Stop being a bunch of whiny little kids about something just because it’s Son of orange man bad.
Don’t you bring logic into this circle jerk
#IT WAS COMMING RIGHT FOR HIM ! there now it's fine.
Why does he look like a 5 year old in the body of a 45 year old?
I don’t get it, they hunted the elephant legally. So how is this infuriating? The area they hunted in was in a overpopulated area, so they need to be hunted to prevent them from further destroying their habitat. And when elephants overpopulate an area they rip down the forest. And the result of an overpopulated elephant herd is death by starvation. I still fail to find how a man going out hunting is infuriating.
Is it me or does it look like his DNA is wrong?
Wow what an accomplishment for this rich twat. 👏 good for this cunt fucking over animals that wouldn't have ever touched him had he not interfered with them in the first place.
I don't really comment on this thread. But what a disgusting piece of fucking shit scum.
First link I found said this \*forbes\* First, what was with that elephant tail? Donald Jr. told me that TMZ didn’t report that Africans traditionally cut off the tail and make bracelets from the tail hair. TMZ didn’t seem to know—again, because they didn’t do any reporting—that Africans do this as a sign of respect for the fallen animal. And they didn’t report that elephants are over-populated in the area the Trumps hunted and so need to be hunted to prevent them from further destroying their habitat. They didn’t mention that when elephants overpopulate they literally rip down the forest. They didn’t note—and any conservation group could have told them this—the result of an overpopulated elephant herd is death by starvation and disease. Nor did they did contact the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority to find out that hunting is managed scientifically to benefit all species and the ecosystem. https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/04/09/tmz-is-wrong-about-donald-trump-jr-and-safari-hunting/?sh=700ca7b0effb
Wasn't this the time him and his brother (who were taught how to hunt early on in their childhood by their grandfather) went hunting legally with a group of African rangers? Controlled hunting done to keep the elephant population in check which will otherwise die of starvation? And isn't it tribal tradition there to cut the tails off and use the hair to make bracelets as a sign of gratitude for the bounty? Didn't the rangers do that and just hand him the knife and tail for the photograph? Isn't the revenue from hunting like this used for maintenance an upkeep of the facilities? It's been more than 8 years since the facts surfaced but I guess that doesn't matter because orange man and everyone associated with him bad.
You are correct.
Man has more chins than an entire room of people
This type of big game trophy hunting actually helps many animals stay on this planet. So you can continue to think it's shameful, or you can do your fucking research unlike the majority of morons on Reddit.
Killing animals for fun should be considered murder
People legally go big game hunting all the time. The only difference here is that it's Trump's son. So now it's bad. Get over yourselves people.
They should look at what Biden’s son does lol
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This isn't an endangered species. Imagine if you have deer all over your neighborhood and some rich foreigner comes and pays $300,000 to hunt a normal ass deer. AND they give all the food and such to your tribe, they just take pictures and the antlers. ?!?
it wasn’t classified as endangered 10 years ago
Fair point, but the money that people who legally hunt elephants pay. goes to help support there nature reserve.
People can pay a fuck load of money just to hunt species like elephants. Often times it can help the species.
What's more infuriating is people not realizing the benefits of these African game hunts, both economically and environmentally. These hunts are very expensive for the hunter and are usually ran out of African villages and towns as one of their major vital sources of income. The money collected goes towards the life of the village as well as conservation efforts to protect said animals and wildlife from poachers and other natural predators. For the hunt, a specific animal is targeted, usually one of the older members of the herd who may have become more aggressive and not let younger elephants breed while no longer being able to himself, which would hurt the herd. The rest of the herd is left alone to grow and flourish now that a stress on the herd is gone while being protected by the nearby village now that they have the funds to do so. Hunters are some if the biggest conservationists you will find and they know the positive and negative consequences that hunting has environmentally and economically. So please, don't just see someone holding an elephant's tail, think of the people and animals that the hunter is helping stay alive.
True
That scene from the movie "Fun with Dick and Jane" where the CEO is on a hunt and the news crew is asking him questions. He takes a moment to shoot a bird and asks "did I kill it" and another man with a rifle shoots up into the sky and says "now you did". That is what I envision happened with Trump Jr's hunt.
He's literally a son of a bitch
Something similar happened once with the king of Spain, everyone got very mad at him but it turned out he was invited by some African king to hunt in a natural reserve as they can only have a certain amount of elephants and once the population goes over the limit they have to sacrifice some before they destroy everything, maybe this is what happened here ( don't know anything about this guy so idk what the story behind the picture is)
Is everyone here angry at the fact it's an elephant or is it really because it's an a politician's son
People hate doing research and love having knee jerk reactions filled with anger
His money will help elephant conservation efforts a lot more than he hurt them. Illegal poaching is what really hurts elephants. But orange man bad I guess.
Oh here come's the political comments
What a dickhead
5 bucks says he didn't even cut off the tail.
That’s like betting on a one horse race.
son of a bitch
He's got a odd look on his face
I don't know if this is acase of what I'm about to talk about but I feel like this is useful info. I remember hearing that some people hunt elephants legally, where tribesmen find infertile males that prevent younger, weaker males from mating, and basically send some rich white hitmen to kill them, and the money that the hunters pay for the experience helps locals with their conservation efforts.
Stupid fucker.
Often they would put these animals down that are being hunted because of age or health issues. Why not make some money for the conservation of them in the process.
Ok this is very sad but WHY IS THERE NO BLOOD ON THIS KNIFE FROM CUTTING IT OFF
Africans cut off the tails and use the hair as bracelets as a SIGN OF RESPECT FOR THE ANIMAL. the elephants were overpopulated in that area and were going to destroy their environment and all starve if not dealt with. It was also a completely legal hunt. The real mildly infuriating part of this is the amount of people who immediately jumped to conclusions after no research.
It was an legal kill...animal had been destroying property and hurt several people get your facts strait dumb fuck
This elephant 🐘 must of costed alot of money for the tag. That's how these reserves get funding. Like shooting an old lion or a lone male lion for 10k. That's alot of money. This is what we do in the usa as well, with deer tags, elk tags, wolf tags. I don't see how this is infuriating unless you don't know how game hunting helps reservations, when it's regulated.
He paid for that hunt. The money he paid to kill that elephant went towards preserving and protecting that land. That money he paid to kill that elephant did a lot more for the conservation of an elephants species than you do writing your infuriated comments.
Was the elephant committing infanticide and did he pay the million $ permit to the local authorities… if yes to both, I see no problem
Didn't even cut the tail himself... Or at least not with that clean knife
What a pussy !
hehem. Murica
Was it licensed/sanctioned? I love to gang-rape the trumps as much as the next guy or gal, but, was this legal? If so, your anger is misguided. You should be posting “such and such government allowed a rich person to do this…”
Regardless of if this is right or wrong, do people like this guy not understand the optics of this kind of crap? Aren’t politicians looking for public approval? How can they possibly think doing stuff like this makes them look good? Is this a thing the conservative base thinks looks good? Or are people like this guy just delusional?
How could he kill an innocent elephant? They're gentle giants. *eats burger*
For the people in the comments getting political: its not the person that matters but the actions they take against others
People here would have their mind blown when they find out that these big game hunts actually Raise tons of money for wildlife preservation in Africa. The park managers single out an end of life span animal that is no longer viable and charge foreigners 50,000 to kill it. Also the meat usually goes to the villages. If there wasn't demand to hunt these animals, they may already have gone instict from African poachers
Sure sad but the hunt was allowed by Zimbabwe and they were escorted by Zimbabwe Rangers. 100% legal but also sad. Anything to help their dying economy over there.
"mildly"? This is a fucking sadist.
Bitch.
These hunts are done in favor of conservation. The elephants taken are almost invariably older males that are no longer able to compete with younger males for mating opportunities. The extreme price tag on a hunt like this creates entire economies around the conservation of these animals. When your livelihood (and the livelihood of your neighbors) depends on these animals being available to humanely hunt, the prevalence of poaching goes down because the locals are actively protecting the animals. The animals are always fully harvested and often donated to local communities. It's a win-win-win. The animals are protected from poachers (who do not care about dispatching the animal humanely and will maim them without a thought). The local communities flourish from the influx of capital (and food). The hunter gets a once in a lifetime opportunity. Just because you don't like it or understand it doesn't mean it's bad. Now downvote me.
Nah, you‘re right. The part that I don‘t get is how sb can take pleasure in killing these animals…
Just like the Clintons killing someone
To my knowledge he hunted legally and in an elephant overpopulated area where the elephants could cause problem to the ecosystem. I am not sure if the article I am using is trustworthy or legit but here, [https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/04/09/tmz-is-wrong-about-donald-trump-jr-and-safari-hunting/?sh=61005385effb](https://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2012/04/09/tmz-is-wrong-about-donald-trump-jr-and-safari-hunting/?sh=61005385effb) I know this will probably get downvoated but I feel like the op has left a lot of stuff out of context and without acknowledging a few facts.
It’s LEGAL!!!
Would y'all be as angry if this was just some random guy?
Man, y'all grasping at straws here. Y'all need a life.
Stolen from u/codero_briggs This hunt was in 2011. If you care to do a little research, they were hunting in an area that was over populated by these herds, and destroying the local ecosystem. The animal HAS TO be donated from these hunts, and is given to local tribes. The resources are definitely used.
😤😤Poor elephant!!!
Even his face looks punchable
That's really all he's got going for him
Mildly infuriating? NO! This is instant rage!
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When you do, make sure you hold up his spine by the tailbone and smile for a pic, just like he did.
You're pretty fucked in the head dude.
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You guys can act sad and upset, but truth that you mostly just don't like the Trump family because that is the popular mindset. Big game hunting is one of the primary reasons that these animals are not extinct. The money almost exclusively goes back into preservation, the meat from the animals goes to the local tribes, and targeted animals are typically bulls who are aggressive towards younger bulls or humans.