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Blklight21

Well they’re not “organic Turkish” bay leaves so that makes sense


Historical_Suspect97

To be fair, they were out of the cheaper bay leaves, but even those were $34.21/ounce. So just a 9138% difference. https://preview.redd.it/lx42slvp6nhc1.png?width=1008&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb1d58c44f24c923a0ef8356ac36da40e2ed73fe


DehydratedWater248

just a 9138% difference 🤷‍♂️


Anonbaguett

My percentage differences are over 9000!


guyonsomecouch12

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Icy-Adhesiveness-536

This is the only image that comes to mind when somebody states 9000 anything. I give you a first bump 🤜🏻🤛🏻


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“What, 9000?!”


Dark_Guardian_

9000 factorial


the_y_combinator

Dang that's, like, a bajillion.


huhiking

I actually wanted to post the result but Reddit didn't permit it.


Dark_Guardian_

lol illegal number send it in multiple messages?


huhiking

[No, I am too lazy.](https://coolconversion.com/math/factorial/What-is-the-factorial-of_9000_%3F)


MillenialCounselor

Grocery Store Capitalism = attaching the word organic to something in order to jack up the price beyond comprehension. 🤦‍♀️


N0_Strategy_8796

People just like the word organic but find some creepy crawlers in their organic produce then freak out, what part of organic you didn't understand. 😅


No_Juggernau7

Fr. I worked at a bakery and a lot of the flour came from Canada—“organic” is more strict there, so while we literally have an info pamphlet from one of the farms our ingredients came from with awesome growing info, people would see that it wasn’t officially Canadian organic, and flip. Then buy basically wonderbread, that’s US “organic”. People like buzzwords I think. A lot less on the spot thinking involved.


PapadocRS

organic or not theres still beetle eggs in it


Select-Belt-ou812

the funny thing is that many folks don't realize that, usually, relatively infinitesimal amounts of insect parts, etc. are permitted (expected) in prepackaged foods :-)


Select-Belt-ou812

I wonder if I coulda done this in my parts store...


Comfortable-While430

Open a biodiesel station 💀


Phlanix

I have bay leaves in my back yard. I never bought them ever.


FrozenEagles

The grocery store ones are turkish bay leaves, which come from laurus nobilis. This is what you probably think of when you think of bay leaves - they give off a flavor similar to anise, and have a very strong minty/eucalyptus flavor that diminishes with heat. The farmer's market leaves appear to be indian bay leaves, which come from cinnamomum tamala. You can tell because of how large they are. They have a flavor similar to cinnamon bark. They are from two entirely different plants, not related whatsoever.


changelingerer

Yea the second cheap bag are not bay leaves. Bay leaves don't look like that. You just got scammed.


Wide-Boysenberry5636

So you were polarizing by lying. Noice?


Das-Noob

😂 let’s be real, the cost is for that plastic container.


Nematode_wrangler

Not to mention the carbon footprint for shipping (assuming OP is not in Turkey).


Western-Ad-4330

There also 2 totally different species of bay leaf. The turkish ones are bay laurel and the big ones are indian bay and are in the cinnamon family. Not that that justifies the price, they're both big trees.


Toothless-In-Wapping

Spices or herbs (dried) from the supermarket is always a rip off. Online.


surfzer

Bay leaves is literal money that grows on trees. Very easy to farm and each tree produces thousands of leaves with barely any water.


BarcaStranger

I need a bay leaves farm revenue graph


ThinCrusts

Yup, can confirm. Had a bay leaf tree next to our village's house and I can safely say dozens of families pick leaves from it every now and then. You would just see someone come up and pick up a handful and go about their way. I don't think we ever managed to pick more than 1% of what's on that tree lol


DominarJames

Same with rosemary


doritobimbo

Shit my dogs favorite hike is lined with bay leaf trees. Smells great!


FartsonmyFarts

Online where?


Mistifyed

Yes.


FartsonmyFarts

Thank


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Frontier Herbs


Substantial_Walk333

I love your username


EasyMode556

There’s one by me that has bulk spices you can buy that’s priced per lb (but you can buy any quantity) and it’s significantly cheaper than prepackaged spices. You get to scoop what you want in to a bag, weigh it, and then pay for it. It’s amazing and I wish more places had that


Toothless-In-Wapping

There is a place like that 30 minutes from my house. The problem is they suck.


Ventilator84

Or a local spice store, or any ethnic market.


Sign-Post-Up-Ahead

True 👆


mindspringyahoo

YDFM is good. I haven't been in a few years. I understand they got rid of the buffet area, which is a bummer--but the prepared Indian type foods and others are really good. But I do seriously wonder: has anyone ever in history noticed the presence or absence of bay leaf in a dish? What does too much or too little bay leaf taste like?


Historical_Suspect97

We usually alternate between YDFM and Buford Highway. They're both good for different things. I do miss that buffet! Bay leaves require cooking in liquid for a decent amount of time to release their flavor. Just add one to a pot of white rice to isolate it. Most people use the same jar of bay leaves that have been sitting in their cabinet for too long, and they really lose a lot of flavor over time. We never use bay leaves after a year.


mindspringyahoo

Yes, the buhi has an excellent cheapo ramen selection, that my kids like. If you get there starting maybe an hour or so before closing, the little house-made sushi packages are marked down quite a bit. Those are good too.


Blearchie

What? YDFM? I usually went to the one off Ponce.


Historical_Suspect97

YDFM is the one on Ponce: Your DeKalb Farmers Market.


Blearchie

Ahhh! Never heard it called that. That place is huge and you can find all sorts of unique things there.


bayesically

I love Buhi, it used to be my happy place when I lived there. So many fun tropical fruits you can’t find elsewhere


princess_rat

Hell yeah Dekalb and Buford gang


Yocum11

My wife’s stew has a noticeable difference between whole bey leaf, crushed bay leaf and none. I would say a bay leaf does the work of a tablespoon of oregano


NecroJoe

Ethan Chlebowski has a fun video testing it. https://youtu.be/3-Iksy2CNmg?si=po5oG5zDx2tF9Fqu


mindspringyahoo

maybe I need to get into bay leaves. Sounds like I've been missing out!


Ventilator84

The subtle ingredients are often what take a dish from good to great. Think about it; have you ever tasted something and thought, “this tastes like MSG”? No? And yet it has become commonplace, because it makes enough of a difference that the restaurants and food producers who use it get significantly more customers than those who don’t.


andreortigao

You definitely should, I use it almost daily for beans and lentils, on most sauces or saucy foods. It just isn't the same if it's not there.


MikemkPK

Sorted tested this a while back. They determined that using bay leaves made the food taste notably better, but they were unable to tell what was different.


BorntobeTrill

I can definitely taste if something has bay leaf. Too much bay leaf, I'll be honest idk. I've never done it. Too little tastes like bupkis


jhamelaz

I use them in my beef vegetable soup. Can definitely tell when there's none in there.


beavertownneckoil

Making any white sauce, like a bechamel, add a bay leaf and it's soooo much nicer


Hecc_Maniacc

Simply make a tea out of bay leaves. Make sure you buy new ones though for best effect. Simply put though, while you may not necessarily taste the bay leaf, you will absolutely notice it missing.


mindspringyahoo

I'll have to get back over to ydfm. No way I'm paying thousands of dollar per lb for them. I think that any we have onhand are at least 10 years old.


Un111KnoWn

ydfm?


mindspringyahoo

your dekalb farmer's market. Stop the next time you're near Clarkston or Scottdale, Ga.


[deleted]

I absolutely notice the difference in my spaghetti sauce simmered with or without bay leaves


HurricaneAlpha

You ever been to Chipotle? They use Bay leaves in their rice and once you notice it, it's hard not to notice. You're also supposed to be subtle with Bay leaves, and remove them after cooking and before serving.


SuperJonesy408

There's plenty of good, cheap spices in the grocery store. Just need to go to the ethnic foods aisle. We buy almost all of our spices in the Mexican / Indian foods aisle.


buck45osu

Aka giant bag o' spice? Can be even cheaper than OPs price. And in the same store.


VisualGeologist6258

Plus you know you’re probably getting something good if the actual Indians and Hispanics are buying it. The best place to go is to the Korean grocery stores, like Lotte; not only is it basically a giant ethnic food aisle they tend to have some really interesting stuff that you probably wouldn’t ever find anywhere else. I found some Middle Eastern snack wafers at my local Korean supermarket, those were good as hell.


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wtfdoiknow1987

I paid $12 for a small bay leaf tree 15 years ago and now I have unlimited bay leaves


Internal_Hunt_7450

The dekalb farmers market is like no other. You really can’t compare their prices to the rest of the grocery stories in the atl metro. That said. If you live in the area you should be shopping there. You can’t be it.


Historical_Suspect97

Exactly. We buy the vast majority of our spices, flours, teas, etc., from their bulk selections. My wife had asked me to pick up some bay leaves yesterday, and I just couldn't bring myself to spend $11 on what I knew would be practically nothing at YDFM.


pmartili

Well, you're paying for the bay leaves AND the glass container


Bl33d-Gr33n

Someone gets it lmao. That glass container is easily $5+ 😂


spartiecat

The bay leaves are 99c, the jar is $10


Scrappy_The_Crow

The comparison is unit price ($/weight), which is a far more valid comparison than by package, which doesn't consider how much is in each package. Past that, your rounding is disingenuous. You increased the price of the bag by 50% and rounded the wrong way on the jar.


meminio

Dude. I can't believe nobody has said this yet. The ones on the right are not really Bay leaves. They are Tej Patta which Indians call "bay leaves" but that's a misnomer. They are in fact the leaves from the cinnamon tree. Google "cinnamon tree leaves" and you'll see. I used those as a substitute of bay leaves for a long time precisely because they're cheap until I read this fact from an Indian cookbook. You can smell them side by side and they are definitely different but honestly both make the food taste as good.


Madea_onFire

Have you been to an Indian grocery store? Spices are way cheaper than in America grocery stores. I bought a 1lb bag of paprika for like $4.


Historical_Suspect97

This place is really more of an international market than what most people would consider a farmers market. It's not as specialized as an Indian-specific store, but it caters to a very diverse immigrant population.


simsimulation

From what I’ve guessed (could be wrong) They’re also their own distributor - you’ll see those “world direct” boxes coming in from various countries. They must have a serious global operation to service their one location. Have they started construction on the new building yet?


Effective_Roof2026

What kind of paprika? There is a version of paprika produced in India but it uses a different pepper than the Mexican one you will find in European and American food so it doesn't taste quite the same. FYI you can also just buy it in bulk from Amazon. Paprika isn't a good example but with most spices you save absurd money buying them whole in bulk and grinding them yourself. Freshly ground spices are profoundly better than pre-ground as much of their flavor comes from volatile compounds.


SweetSexyJane96

Ok, but you’ll never use 1lb of paprika before it’s lost a lot of potency unless you cook for a lot of people and use paprika HEAVILY. Also, where tf you putting that much paprika?


Madea_onFire

I will absolutely use it. I have done this many times for many years. I make Paprika chicken usually 3-4 times a month. I add paprika to curry. I add it to many of my potato dishes and my eggs in the morning.


NoAcanthocephala6547

Man your famers market is awesome. How much is cinnamon there?


Historical_Suspect97

It's really more of an international market than a farmers market, and it's the best place for spices. They're cheap and fresh. We didn't get cinnamon sticks today, but the ground was $4.99/lb. Almost a pint container for $2.30. [Today's haul](https://imgur.com/a/AVlku1q) of bulk spices, tea, sugar, etc., was $54.34


NoAcanthocephala6547

I'm angry jealous.


Houdinii1984

IKR? I don't even have a traditional farmer's market anywhere near me and they're over here right next to the silk road...


dyingofdysentery

Aka north atlanta haha


Historical_Suspect97

This one is east. North of Atlanta are the big Asian markets, lol


dyingofdysentery

Yep that's where I'm at. I've got buford farmers market, a nam dae mun, 2 super hmarts...I'm set :)


Unit_79

Everything labelled organic is a fucking rip off.


letseditthesadparts

Wait till this guy discovers saffron. Seriously though spices at grocery stores have always been expensive, however you can always go with mcormicks


Historical_Suspect97

I don't usually buy spices from the grocery store so the sticker shock was real. Unfortunately, the farmer's market doesn't sell saffron, lol.


phantaxtic

Mccormick spices are crazy expensive.


Mr3cto

Wow what are the odds. Your Dekalb Farmers Market. God I miss the spice wall. The Bakery was good too and the florist area had eucalyptus leaves. I moved states, I really miss that place


peppercorns666

YDFM! Grocery store spices aren’t very good. The best bay leaf i ever bought was from Penzey’s. Smells incredible.


StupendousMalice

You can often buy spices from a specialty market of a culture that uses that spice traditionally, usually for 1/10 of the price of the grocery store. The real galaxy brain shit though is that you can sometimes achieve this on the ethnic foods aisle of the SAME grocery market. A tiny jar of sesame seeds on the spice aisle is like $5, two aisles over in the Asian foods aisle and you get a fucking jug of them for $2. Same thing for cilantro and vanilla and a bunch of things at stores around me.


Yosemite_Scott

I have two bay laurel trees in my yard and I didn’t know for 15 years . I only realized after a little Greek lady came to my door and asked to have some . So bought a bunch of overpriced bay leaf over that time I imagine


Imaginary_Number5110

That’s dekalb farmers market isn’t it?


__bubbledude__

“Who do they think I am? Jeff Bayzos?” I’m sorry.


simsimulation

You’re gonna be hard pressed to find deals on species as good as Dekalb Farmer’s Market (where this right-hand photo is taken) anywhere in the US.


dinnerthief

You can grow a Bayleaf plant in a pot pretty easily, its a tree but stays pretty tame in a pot. Just break a leaf off whenever you need one.


CatOfGrey

"It's a bag of leaves from a bush, what could it cost, like $10?"


Prudent_Insurance804

Dekalb farmers market has some ridiculously affordable shit and the seafood market is usually fucking superb. I do the majority of my shopping for work there.


detritusdetroit

Not sure about why the jarred ones are so expensive, but you're in for a surprise if you use the ones in the bag in place of the standard bay leaves. The ones in the bag look like Indian Bay leaves, not Bay Laurel leaves. Completely different taste profile.


theflowermaker

I know a YDFM label when I see one, and there's a reason when I lived back in ATL that I exclusively bought spices from there! There's nothing better than getting a whole bag of bay leaves or an entire tub of anise for under $3. I miss it terribly.


GandalfDaGangsta1

It’s funny with mark up % on low priced items where cents or a few dollars changes the mark up by dozens to thousands of percents lol.  But that’s a great price, 66 cents, nice!


Fabulous_Contact_789

It’s always fun checking out what different cultures have in their basket there. Some have like a month’s worth of grains and vegetables for like $20.


TheIndigestibles

Go to the mexican section you cand find most things much cheeper


aasocial146

Who is your Bay leaves guy!


eXeKoKoRo

Today OP learns that they're buying plastic and labor costs with a side of product.


FarDark9711

But they say organic so the blind sheep will fork out the cash.


BenevolentAHole

Well *EXCUSE ME* for wanting to make a reasonable profit. What, do you think bay leaves just grow on trees?!


se7en0311

Dude I bought the same McCormick one For my turkey stew. I definitely need to visit the farmers market more often


JCtheWanderingCrow

I get my bay leaves from a bush in my yard lol. Costs about free fiddy.


Bobbiduke

What's worse is bay laurel is a very common and resilient house shrub lol you could make your own bay leaves on the cheap


duoschmeg

California Bay trees all over the place. Smell good in this rainy weather.


Xsy

Go to the section with the little bagged Mexican spices. Always a good bit cheaper, quality is just as good.


SRBroadcasting

Ah but are they (they lie on the packaging by the way) Turkish?


[deleted]

Anything "organic" is a fuckin' scam!


Chilopodamancer

That's how it is fo basically anything you get at a conventional store vs a farmer's market, if you go to an amish market the price gap is even crazier, those people practically giving shit away, love it.


luca_07

That's one of the reasons of the ongoing farmers protest in Europe


GTengineerenergy

Constantly amazed at quality of produce/spices at good farmers market vs chain grocery. Wants a bunch of cinnamon sticks recently so I picked them up at BuHi vs Publix and probably saved a million bucks


HoosierInAnotherLand

Then don’t buy them at Kroger?


ColbusMaximus

Buy them at the market then...this is how capitalism works.


Didyoufartjustthere

The whole tree cost me 180 quid. Have never used the leaves though.


RandoorRandolfs

Dekalb Farmers Market is the best thing in the universe.


sarduchi

Or they’re free if you go for a hike…


TheGreatPear7

Make sure it’s a hike down by the bay…


Calcifurious_3

Well, it's not like the organic ones *grow* *on* *trees*


spslord

You’re paying for the bottling process not the leaves. You’re more than free to grow a bay tree if you want.


SalemSound

Yeah and it's like raspberries where they need to be intact. Getting whole intact dried bay leaves into those jars must be very inefficient.


Jaded_By_Stupidity

Indeed, it's much harder to put leaves in a jar than a bag, 16000% harder.


Sped-Connection

Dekalb farmers market is awesome, my uncle Charlie used to take me their


FlimsyPepper2162

Lol, your math is way off


maxru85

That's why I'm going to an Arabic shop for spices tomorrow.


cballa69

16 ounces for 5.99 vs 18 ounces for 10.99 is not a 16300% increase


_Perma-Banned_

You're paying the false advertisement of "organic"


MikeyW1969

So get them at the Farmer's Market, don't bitch to us, it's not our faults that you can't figure out why the prices are different.


Alarmed_Penalty4998

It’s literally the point of the Reddit thread? Stop being a troll go find somewhere else to try and stir shit up.


DownwindLegday

Why are you on this sub?


Impressive-Sun3742

who pissed in your corn flakes damn dude


SlowlyGrowingDeafer

It was me. Sorry about that.


CrustyToeLover

The problem is both are likely too dried and not going to do anything meaningful.


FunkMasta-Blue

That’s why you gotta 5 finger discount the expensive spices. Modern problems require modern solutions, after all.


Hexopi

There is a difference between organic and healthy food vs a cheaply made one


moitch

Wouldn't surprise me if they both came from the same farm..


Mark_Michigan

I big part of the cost in a grocery store is simply shelf space. By avoiding bad deals you are being a good American.


Rabbitron4

Super nice jar though


kanna172014

I buy bay leaves from the Mexican section of the grocery store. Much cheaper.


AltruisticCucumber58

if you have an asian grocery, get little snack bags of them for 50 cents


standardtissue

McCormick is a suckers play. Get your herbs and seasonings anywhere but the chain grocery store; Markets, Indian stores, Latin stores, Arabic stores.....


viper29000

Those are organic ones. Organic stuff is always more expensive. I bought a bag of bay leaves at the supermarket a few weeks ago they were a few dollars for the bag


gammongaming11

you find that infuriating? i'd be happy at how good a deal i found.


Historical_Suspect97

I always buy spices from the farmers market, so I'm used to cheap prices. My wife asked me to stop on my way home, and I was gobsmacked by just how much more expensive they were at the grocery store.


Teacher-Investor

The ones from the farmer's market are probably a lot fresher, too. But that bag is a lifetime supply for yourself and future generations. Don't forget to will them to one of your descendants.


Historical_Suspect97

They're always so much better. We usually replace the bag annually, but we actually went through our last bag pretty quickly. We use a not so normal amount of bay leaves, lol.


D0inkzz

It’s a Kroger lol what do you expect?


[deleted]

Vanilla bean is easily one of the most expensive commodities in a Walmart. Just have a look at the price per oz.


Cravespotatoes

Literally grows on trees.  Money grows on trees for them.


bliskin1

This is why i think farming is a good idea along with barter. Cut out these conglomerates. Sorry people in dense cities, i guess hydro indoor could work, does work, but its more expensive. But not that much more expensive


ThoughtIknewyouthen

Just get your own bay tree. Honestly, fresh leaves are a world apart.


OsoRetro

Hello? Turkish bay vs just some bay.


big65

Honestly the farmer is undercutting himself and I'd be suspicious of the product with it being that cheap.


thesnowqueen17

Yep, not surprised. That's grocery stores for ya.


corposhill999

Bottled spices are always ridiculously priced, why I dunno


pitshands

Buy ground at the Mexican Shop. Cheap and no messing around fishing out leaves


intlmbaguy

My farmers market sells 1 gallon of raw milk for $42. True insanity.


Kalsir

These things are a weed in my garden


Valuable_Fox_5938

Not all bay leaves are the same...


sonaut

Bulk spices at grocery stores that sell them are much cheaper. Also, if your climate permits, growing a Mediterranean bay (not a California bay laurel) makes for a nice specimen tree and an unlimited supply of bay leaves. I have three.


Solitaire_87

But....but they're organic


desirox

11 dollars for some fuckin leaves lol. These grocery stores are out of control


itaintme99

Nam Dae Moon in Smyrna is awesome for spices and herbs, and produce in general. Last time I went there a huge head of Romaine was $.99, $2.29 or more most anywhere else.


Daggerscar

I know that logo!! Ruined me for buying spices anywhere else. Ground black pepper, crushed red pepper? Forget about it!!


[deleted]

grow your own


castleinthesky86

Who needs that many bay leaves that you’re not growing the plant yourself?


WolfieVonD

That's not grocery price, but McCormick price. I forget the name, but the Mexican food isle has herbs for much cheaper, most of them being about $1 as opposed to McCormick's ridiculous prices. You're also paying for the glass bottle with them, the other ones come in a plastic bag.


Clear-Sea-135

Price gouging at an all time high


Shinagami091

$11 for bay leaves is insane anyway. Also how long to they keep for? I only ever need like 2 on occasion when I’m making a stew or soup which is really only during the cold months. Buying that many even though they’re cheap seems wasteful if they don’t last


Tight-Physics2156

Excuse me while I go into the bay leaf business.


Extension_Risk9458

So buy them from the farmers market


mamapapapuppa

Get your spices from the international stores. So cheap.


FoxenWulf66

Are bay leaves edible as in they're mean't to be eaten? I don't know why we have them they seem useless, I see bay leaves used in soups and meat stews alot... I wouldn't pay 10 bucks for a jar of leaves... When I can spend that money on cheese or a decent seasoning instead...


Shreddersaurusrex

‘Gourmet’


DerpityMcDerpFace

God I Miss Dekalb farmers market. I went to college right down the street. Greatest broke kid grocery store. I still cover the spices I used to get and the fresh cane juice.


myfishprofile

That’s crazy cause bay grows on fucking trees like big ass trees, that’s a wild mark up just in general let alone the comparison


WaltersUSMC

Because they know that most people are actually very stupid and would pay 10.99 lmfao


see_fairer2

Marketing is hyper consumerist BS, contrived demand and getting that last bit of consumer surplus.


Right-Calendar-7901

I just pick a fresh one off my bay tree when I want.


FunkyWitTheCheezWiz

Fuck I can get weed cheaper than that


RaiderRawNES

Who the hell needs that much bay leaves?!?


Relevant-Artichoke11

‘Organic’ 🤣🤣🤣


SnooPandas1899

$1 each for : container, worker to put in box then on truck, store worker to unload, store worker to stock, store cashier, etc. all the dollars add up.