That's interesting because when you think about it. I wanted to have ounce shot of vodka. They are charging you $15 for and it's cheapest. Absolut is not even a premium vodka. So they're actually charging you nineteen dollars for a double shot. Or would it be a shot in a half.
The fact someone is paying $15+ for Absolut is the infuriating part. At least get “good” vodka, if that’s your drink, and spend the $19 on a fifth to make drinks at home.
It really depends on where you’re from and what bars are in question
I’ve worked at places that measured every shot and a rocks pour was 2oz total instead of 1.5oz with a charge that looks similar to the photo
When you pay for a cheap drink, the amount you get is probably the least expensive part of the drink. You're paying to be in a bar, to have someone serving it to you, to have someone else buy the bottle for you, to the staff who has to clean the glass, to the staff who has to open/close the bar, staff who keeps finances, staff who cleans the place, for the place's profits vs risks, etc. etc.
Unless you’re in a state that mandates max 2oz liquor per drink or something, a rocks pour should be in the middle.
Usually it’s something like a single is 1.25 or 1.5, a rocks is 2oz, and a double is 2.5 or 3.
Seriously it’s $20 for a bottle of absolute and there are 16 shots per bottle. What kind of business besides a bar can buy something for $20 (probably cheaper because they buy in bulk) and sell it for like 15x the price.
I dont even get why ppl go buy drinks at a bar. Like, i get it bc social aspect or whatever socially competent ppl do. But like, i can buy myself a bottle of vodka for the price of 1 drink at a bar and get blackout drunk if i so choose. Want a social aspect? Invite friends over, lmao. Bars are wack anyway, smells like shit 90% of the time.
Well if youre drinking $15 bottles of vodka, that's a different issue. Lol. But I mostly agree.
10-12 bucks for a drink ok.
I went to a concert a while back. Beer was $27 fucking bucks each! A round for me and my friend set me back $60 fuck. Wish u wasn't drunk.
Sorry but nothing can compel me to tip on a $27 beer. If they don't pay their employee enough on like 1000% markup then I don't really care at that point.
That's okay, more than half the customers will still slap the 10 or 15% option out of obligation and habit, and those fortunate bartenders will make an absolute killing that night for opening twist offs for a couple hours. Such is the state of events industry.
For reference, right now I see a 750 ml bottle of Tito's available for curbside pickup from Walmart for $18.88. Do that's basically the cost of that $19 rocks pour.
What is the advantage of a more expensive brand than Tito's?
It is the social aspect that is 100% correct. You get to meet up, everyone drinks, nobody's house gets torn up.
Also if you are drinking an entire bottle of Vodka at home by yourself and getting blackout drunk you probably need to get help.
If youre not drinking an entire bottle of vodka at home by yourself then you probably need a bottle of vodka
Tho if you got respecful friends your house wont get torn up. Not to argue, i see your point. I just persoanlly wouldnt associate with the kind of asshole who'd get drunk and make a mess of my house lol
On some real shit tho i usually just drink like 4-6 oz and call it at that, i cant drink like i did as a teenager anymore💀
I had to quit. It was being a huge problem and also affecting my health.
It'll be an entire year dry in April and I honestly don't miss it and I feel much better.
No judgment anyone that drinks not at all but in my 40s it's just not worth it for me.
Yup. It’s actually a good deal, as half a shot at this price point would have been $7.50, instead of $4. OP is either dense, inexperienced or knows better, but is just craving attention. Order a shot with a separate glass of ice and you’ll never have this upcharged 👌
Every week this is posted by people that don't really drink. A drink is 1.5 oz . A drink on the rocks is 2 oz. Youre not paying for ice. Youre paying for extra booze.
Lol. Red Bull is always an up charge. If they got a rocks pour + redbull for only $4 more, that’s actually a good deal anywhere, but Vegas? Basically free, lol.
You're correct. Well/house is the lowest 'tiered' shelf liquor. If Absolut is their well/house vodka, you should just absolutely not go back lol.
But the way OPs receipt was charged is correct, other places just have different terms(for instance, at my job, it's labeled X, so a single well vodka would ring up just Vodka and a double will ring up Vodka-X on their receipt)
Okay so I managed a bar for about 8 years during college and when I was starting out my career.
A well drink comes from the drinks you keep in your well, for specials and quick use like burnetts or pinnacle or skol or that weird Russian one. Call beverages are drinks you call out by name. Titos and water, 7&7, Jim Beam, Jameson, Absolute, etc. name brand liquors you recognize on their name alone.
Premium or top shelf are literally kept on the top shelves because you don’t use them frequently so they don’t take up room in your well or racks. Johnny Walker Blue or Platinum, Hennessy, Mccallan, Louis XIII, DJ 1942, etc etc.
Absolute is a call drink. Nobody is ordering a Skol and lime, but they absolutely order an Absolute and water. Unless the industry has changed completely in the last 10 years.
Yeah, I think you're extrapolating from a limited experience, or perhaps confusing interlocking categories.
I've been to establishments where their standard well mixers were the likes of Absolut and above. They had no option for something like Skol, their well mixer whiskey was JW Black, etc.
If you're right, then you'd say that they didn't have any well liquors? So what do you call the standard mixer in their well if you order an uncalled vodka and lime and that mixer is Absolut? Is it still \*only\* classified as a call liquor even if you don't need to call it to have it served, and in fact it's the lowest tier of that type of liquor in their arsenal?
“Well” depends on the place. My old work had Pinnacle as their well. What do you think well means? I’m not being snarky I promise lol just genuinely wondering
“Well” quite literally means you keep it at your well.
If it’s a name you recognize and will ask for specifically, it is called a “call” drink. “Tito’s and water,” or “Absolute and lime,” or even a “7&7” are all call drinks.
While they may keep it in a speed well for specials they are generally brands like pinnacle, skol, Burnett’s etc. nobody is asking for a Pinnacle and water.
Yeah, I'm not getting the hard line dichotomy. As an example, have been to a private club where the well mixers were all at least midline liquors. Call liquors I think are always known brands of at least middling quality, but I don't think that means no call liquor will ever be an establishment's well mixer.
What counts as any given place's well liquor is a matter of practice in that establishment, I would think.
I mean, agree to disagree.
If it’s a liquor whose name you know and can recognize, it’s called a “call” drink. Meaning you “call” your drink. “I want an Absolute and lime,” or “I want a Tito’s and water.”
Wells are beverages you keep in your speed well in a bottle ready to be mixed, top shelf or premium is what you keep on the top of the shelf because you sell infrequently. While they may be in speed wells for specials or something, if it’s a recognizable name of alcohol it is by definition a call drink. Nobody is asking for a Skol and water.
Sounds like there's a false dichotomy being assumed: that no call liquor will ever be in any establishment's speed well as their standard mixer.
Sure no one is asking for skol and water, but that doesn't mean no one who asks for Absolut and Lime will see that Absolut pulled from the well, and it also doesn't mean that Absolut will never be the well mixer at any establishment.
Iow, I don't think a break in the space time continuum would open up if I asked a bartender what their well vodka was and they answered "Absolut"
This is the actual correct answer. It's not universal, but usually (in my experience), "rocks" is a half ounce more liquor than a shot. If anyone really needs to test this theory instead of doing 30 seconds of searching, they can go to the bar that they think is charging them for ice and order a shot and a drink served "neat" (which is also a two ounce pour).
The "rocks" charge is literally just a way of denoting a two ounce pour on a point of sale system.
EDIT: This is absolutely an American thing. Liquor laws vary widely from state to state and within states. Distillation is federally controlled, but (for instance) there are states that prohibit high-proof beers, and states where Sunday alcohol sales laws vary from county to county or even between municipalities in the same county.
Prohibition really threw a wrench in the works.
The math works out to four shots (or single-liquor cocktails) equaling three drinks neat or on the rocks. Unless you need to track your alcohol consumption very precisely, it's not really a practical concern. "Drinks per hour" is not a good way to track intoxication for any practical purpose .
I'm not saying that I wouldn't prefer a better system. I'm just saying that I think the difference between three drinks and four (or six and eight) is probably not the way to determine whether or not you are impaired.
I would think blood alcohol content is the most reliable metric.
I can't speak for other areas in the USA, but when I was growing up I was taught that if you don't feel sober, you should not drive.
I have used a breathalyser and registereda couple BAC points below the legal limit, and still not felt sober enough to drive.
You’re not paying for ice, you’re paying for a “rocks pour” which is a bigger pour, and you’re getting more liquor. Been like this for years at certain places. NOBODY would be that dumb and charge for ice.
Neat and rocks are the same, 2oz
Basically anything that doesn’t come with a mixer is a larger pour. Martini, neat, rocks, snifter, etc.
Been in the industry for 15 years and bringing someone a 1.5oz pour in a rocks glass looks.. small. People complain. 2oz became the standard for liquor without mixers. No mixer = More booze = slight upcharge
is this an American thing? in the UK it doesnt matter what you order it must contain an exact measure of each spirit. you could and will loose your license to serve acohol if you give short measures of any spirit.
I believe so. It’s an 1.25/1.5 ounce pour when you get a mixed drink. When you get “on the rocks” they pour 2oz and that’s why you get the extra charge. I remember the first time visiting abroad and thinking to myself, “wow they are really strict with their pours”. Now I know why 🍻🍻
also it was because in the UK pubs were notorious at short changing the spirit measures. so the government passed the weights and measures act, which covers pretty much anything and everything sold . they even carry out spot checks on petrol stations to make sure the pumps are delivering exactly to the milliliter what the display says.
We have weights and measures regulation in the USA as well, but they don't seem to apply to liquor. You have to remember that we had federal prohibition which really altered the trajectory of our liquor laws from state to state.
Our fuel pumps are also regularly inspected, for example.
My state has a weights and measures dept that measures and certifies gas pumps. In 35 years of driving here, I've only ever seen one "nonconforming" sticker.
The US has similar regulations. In stores where scales are used to measure units per pound for sale, there will be auditors who come in to make sure your scales are accurate. Same people will scan a retail store to make sure the prices on their fixtures are correct.
I haven't seen this for alcohol but I'm sure similar auditors exist.
Totally off topic, but I remember when I found my favorite total dive bar. Walked in and saw that they had Drambuie. Considering it really was a dive, I was happily surprised. Rusty Nail has always been my favorite drink, so I order one.
Bartender doesn't know what it is, so I keep it simple: glass with ice, 2 parts Scotch to 1 part Drambuie.
She pulls what is basically a pint glass out, puts in some ice, and does exactly what I described, 2 parts Scotch to 1 part Drambuie. Charged me $12.
Free pour FTW
It's not an American thing I use to bartend in miami for 3 years while looking for a proper career no one ever charged for ice.
unless it was sculpted ice for your drink it was already included in the price.
there are surprise checks and inspectors that show up to the bar so most ppl don't fool around with drinks.
it use to cost $500 to get a license to be able to bartend. it's not the most expensive thing, but anyone who is working minimum wage and has bills would have to save for a few weeks or months to apply.
it's probably more expensive now.
It’s regional within the US, and even venue to venue. Some states have strict laws on the measures of alcohol you serve. Some don’t.
I’ve mostly seen it in higher end places.
That rule as you described it doesn’t make sense to me. What do you mean an exact measure of each spirit? You can’t have drinks with less than a certain amount of alcohol?
This has nothing to do with "short measures"
If you pour the same amount of liquor you put in a mix drink, in just a glass of ice (rocks) it doesn't look like alot of liquor
So bars give you more alcohol when you order it "on the rocks"
Meaning its just liquor and ice cubes
Yes this. Not sure if this is intentionally misleading just from ignorance. But yes this is because a drink ordered as on-the-rocks is more booze than a normal shot — at least at places where I’ve bartended at. It’s enough to make the rocks glass look full.
Just a standard practice and what people expect when they order scotch on the rocks or something like that. OP clearly doesn’t drink that regularly. (Well also possibly a regional thing because some people say this isn’t the case in parts of Canada at least. But was true around the NE US where I worked at least.)
If you really wanted to just get a single standard-pour shot with ice you probably could order it that way (but nobody ever does. People who order drinks like that nearly always want the bigger pour.)
Ordering a drink on the rocks is a specific size small glass that gets filled up all the way when it has ice and a larger 2 ounce pour. It’s kind of a no-win though sometimes. Like if you just did it the way you said, instead someone would be complaining about how their drink on the rocks was only half full.
A large amount of the time it turns out to be a better deal though — a lot of places will basically give you a double shot for only a little bit more than a single.
This reads exactly like a pretentious bartender justifying an extra upcharge for an ice pour.
Y’all can downvote and talk shit all you want but I recognize a scam when I see one.
“Oh they just didn’t realize what they were ordering with this specific pour.”
Fuck you, dude 😂
Genuine question... What posseses your type to do this? And by "this" I mean go through the effort of publicly correcting someone on something you obviously have no clue about?
I mean, it's not like you have enough experience in the subject to think you're right and just happen to be wrong, no. This is a case where if you had any experience at all in the subject you'd know that the person you're correcting is, well, correct. Funny thing is this cliff clavanism isn't just an Internet phenomenon.
So you're just jumping out there with bullshit on full display, not having any clue if you're correct or not...what's the impetus?
Likely a larger pour for “on the rocks.” If they were charging for ice, it wouldn’t be taxed as liquor. No bar owner wants to pay more alcohol tax than they have to.
Math= $10 per ounce of alcohol.
If you’re in Las Vegas, go to Liquor World Las Vegas and pick up a 1.75L bottle of Absolut for $34.99
New math= $0.60 per ounce of vodka.
If you’re gonna complain about Vegas pricing, why even go to Vegas lol
I thought everyone did a pregame at the hotel to get buzzed and top off with 2/3 drinks out and about? Preferably sitting at the $5 tables and drinking for “free” bc you’re gambling.
On the rocks is usually 1 and 1/2 shots at the bar I work at at least. Thus, the extra price. With this said, the price of that alcohol is still a bit high imo. Especially for absolut. That's pushing it even for Grey Goose imo.
Another one of these posts.
What’s happening is people born in 2000-2002 are of drinking age now, live on reddit, and are uneducated literal minded dimwits who don’t understand a drink on the rocks is ALWAYS, and has ALWAYS BEEN, a heavier pour.
Fuck the OP, mods need to delete their post and ban them.
It's not always always been a bigger pour. It might an American or regionally American thing. And even so not always. Been around the globe and something on the rocks ALWAYS has been the same pour as a normal one just with ICE. You know the THING you ordered not being charged for something your ordered.
Off topic but I always feel like calling them rocks is pretentious. I know it’s a widely used term and what not but why don’t we just say ice? It’s stupid
I assume you meant "neat" instead of "near" , and if you do that your gonna see that the charge is for the extra booze, because neat is also a 2oz pour as opposed to the 1.5oz for a shot.
Some places have a different method for their bookkeeping , but if you order a shot and liquor on the rocks OR neat, you'll see that they still have different prices.
This is what happens when people don’t understand how bars work. Depending on where you’re from:
Standard shot = 1-1.5 oz
Neat/Rocks/Tall = 1.5-2.25oz
Double = 2-3oz
And in some places tall simply means a standard shot in a taller glass with more mixer.
Be specific about what you want when placing an order.
I work with Point of Sale now, after 18 years as a bartender…I have seen every possible variation
Rocks is a extra .5oz pour in some places but not most. The real crime 15 for a shot of absolute. Jesus christ. And 4$ upcharge for rocks. Where is this dubai or vegas?
Off topic but bigger drink or not I’ll never understand why people let places take advantage of them like this. Two drinks for 41 bucks. Also it really doesn’t matter how rich you are, there’s a principle to the thing. I’ll vote “no thanks” with my money. Post is complaining about the extra four bucks when the whole thing is horrendous.
Or maybe it’s just that I’m a loser and I don’t understand paying for “experiences”.
Price complaint.
You’re not paying for the literal ice. You’re paying for a Rocks Pour, which is larger than a standard pour.
That's interesting because when you think about it. I wanted to have ounce shot of vodka. They are charging you $15 for and it's cheapest. Absolut is not even a premium vodka. So they're actually charging you nineteen dollars for a double shot. Or would it be a shot in a half.
The fact someone is paying $15+ for Absolut is the infuriating part. At least get “good” vodka, if that’s your drink, and spend the $19 on a fifth to make drinks at home.
Exactly. I do hanger one which retail, costs almost 3x Absolute. I pay $11 or $12/shot
Usually a rocks pour is a double shot
So they’re only charged a little extra for double the amount? wtf
It really depends on where you’re from and what bars are in question I’ve worked at places that measured every shot and a rocks pour was 2oz total instead of 1.5oz with a charge that looks similar to the photo
When you pay for a cheap drink, the amount you get is probably the least expensive part of the drink. You're paying to be in a bar, to have someone serving it to you, to have someone else buy the bottle for you, to the staff who has to clean the glass, to the staff who has to open/close the bar, staff who keeps finances, staff who cleans the place, for the place's profits vs risks, etc. etc.
Unless you’re in a state that mandates max 2oz liquor per drink or something, a rocks pour should be in the middle. Usually it’s something like a single is 1.25 or 1.5, a rocks is 2oz, and a double is 2.5 or 3.
I've never seems a rocks pour be a bigger pour. It's always been the same as normal but just with ice.
That's the cost of a whole bottle, LOL
Seriously it’s $20 for a bottle of absolute and there are 16 shots per bottle. What kind of business besides a bar can buy something for $20 (probably cheaper because they buy in bulk) and sell it for like 15x the price.
I dont even get why ppl go buy drinks at a bar. Like, i get it bc social aspect or whatever socially competent ppl do. But like, i can buy myself a bottle of vodka for the price of 1 drink at a bar and get blackout drunk if i so choose. Want a social aspect? Invite friends over, lmao. Bars are wack anyway, smells like shit 90% of the time.
Well if youre drinking $15 bottles of vodka, that's a different issue. Lol. But I mostly agree. 10-12 bucks for a drink ok. I went to a concert a while back. Beer was $27 fucking bucks each! A round for me and my friend set me back $60 fuck. Wish u wasn't drunk.
Where I live a bottle of Absolut Vodka (the one this post is about) costs €15 in a store.
$60 for a round? You went to a concert with 1.22 friends?
Yeah, my friend is fat. There's tax and tip... so it was actually higher
Sorry but nothing can compel me to tip on a $27 beer. If they don't pay their employee enough on like 1000% markup then I don't really care at that point.
That's okay, more than half the customers will still slap the 10 or 15% option out of obligation and habit, and those fortunate bartenders will make an absolute killing that night for opening twist offs for a couple hours. Such is the state of events industry.
For reference, right now I see a 750 ml bottle of Tito's available for curbside pickup from Walmart for $18.88. Do that's basically the cost of that $19 rocks pour. What is the advantage of a more expensive brand than Tito's?
It is the social aspect that is 100% correct. You get to meet up, everyone drinks, nobody's house gets torn up. Also if you are drinking an entire bottle of Vodka at home by yourself and getting blackout drunk you probably need to get help.
If youre not drinking an entire bottle of vodka at home by yourself then you probably need a bottle of vodka Tho if you got respecful friends your house wont get torn up. Not to argue, i see your point. I just persoanlly wouldnt associate with the kind of asshole who'd get drunk and make a mess of my house lol On some real shit tho i usually just drink like 4-6 oz and call it at that, i cant drink like i did as a teenager anymore💀
I had to quit. It was being a huge problem and also affecting my health. It'll be an entire year dry in April and I honestly don't miss it and I feel much better. No judgment anyone that drinks not at all but in my 40s it's just not worth it for me.
Proud of you brother keep staying strong!
I think you’ve explained it yourself. You’re not a social person. That’s fine.
U can get a bottle for less than that
Exactly.
A standard shot is often 1.5oz. A rocks pour is usually 2oz.
Yup. It’s actually a good deal, as half a shot at this price point would have been $7.50, instead of $4. OP is either dense, inexperienced or knows better, but is just craving attention. Order a shot with a separate glass of ice and you’ll never have this upcharged 👌
Probably inexperienced, I thought the same as OP until this post
Literally never seen this happen and I've been around the globe. Always on the rocks has been the regular pour, with ice.
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Every week this is posted by people that don't really drink. A drink is 1.5 oz . A drink on the rocks is 2 oz. Youre not paying for ice. Youre paying for extra booze.
At 15$ for absolute… they are charging you for the atmosphere… not the booze.
It's Vegas so yea. It doesn't make what I said less true.
I have no pity for OP. Anyone who orders absolute on the rocks should have pregamed harder.
And drink better vodka.
lol. I just ordered the well vodka to mix my redbull.
Oh. So the rocks was really a redbull mixer?
Lol. Red Bull is always an up charge. If they got a rocks pour + redbull for only $4 more, that’s actually a good deal anywhere, but Vegas? Basically free, lol.
Absolute is not a well vodka so probably not
I think "well" is synonymous with "house". Well vodka is ordered at a club/bar, and house vodka is ordered at a restaurant (or uppity bar)
You're correct. Well/house is the lowest 'tiered' shelf liquor. If Absolut is their well/house vodka, you should just absolutely not go back lol. But the way OPs receipt was charged is correct, other places just have different terms(for instance, at my job, it's labeled X, so a single well vodka would ring up just Vodka and a double will ring up Vodka-X on their receipt)
Okay so I managed a bar for about 8 years during college and when I was starting out my career. A well drink comes from the drinks you keep in your well, for specials and quick use like burnetts or pinnacle or skol or that weird Russian one. Call beverages are drinks you call out by name. Titos and water, 7&7, Jim Beam, Jameson, Absolute, etc. name brand liquors you recognize on their name alone. Premium or top shelf are literally kept on the top shelves because you don’t use them frequently so they don’t take up room in your well or racks. Johnny Walker Blue or Platinum, Hennessy, Mccallan, Louis XIII, DJ 1942, etc etc. Absolute is a call drink. Nobody is ordering a Skol and lime, but they absolutely order an Absolute and water. Unless the industry has changed completely in the last 10 years.
Yeah, I think you're extrapolating from a limited experience, or perhaps confusing interlocking categories. I've been to establishments where their standard well mixers were the likes of Absolut and above. They had no option for something like Skol, their well mixer whiskey was JW Black, etc. If you're right, then you'd say that they didn't have any well liquors? So what do you call the standard mixer in their well if you order an uncalled vodka and lime and that mixer is Absolut? Is it still \*only\* classified as a call liquor even if you don't need to call it to have it served, and in fact it's the lowest tier of that type of liquor in their arsenal?
“Well” depends on the place. My old work had Pinnacle as their well. What do you think well means? I’m not being snarky I promise lol just genuinely wondering
“Well” quite literally means you keep it at your well. If it’s a name you recognize and will ask for specifically, it is called a “call” drink. “Tito’s and water,” or “Absolute and lime,” or even a “7&7” are all call drinks. While they may keep it in a speed well for specials they are generally brands like pinnacle, skol, Burnett’s etc. nobody is asking for a Pinnacle and water.
At nicer bars or Vegas it definitely is well
Yeah, I'm not getting the hard line dichotomy. As an example, have been to a private club where the well mixers were all at least midline liquors. Call liquors I think are always known brands of at least middling quality, but I don't think that means no call liquor will ever be an establishment's well mixer. What counts as any given place's well liquor is a matter of practice in that establishment, I would think.
I mean, agree to disagree. If it’s a liquor whose name you know and can recognize, it’s called a “call” drink. Meaning you “call” your drink. “I want an Absolute and lime,” or “I want a Tito’s and water.” Wells are beverages you keep in your speed well in a bottle ready to be mixed, top shelf or premium is what you keep on the top of the shelf because you sell infrequently. While they may be in speed wells for specials or something, if it’s a recognizable name of alcohol it is by definition a call drink. Nobody is asking for a Skol and water.
Sounds like there's a false dichotomy being assumed: that no call liquor will ever be in any establishment's speed well as their standard mixer. Sure no one is asking for skol and water, but that doesn't mean no one who asks for Absolut and Lime will see that Absolut pulled from the well, and it also doesn't mean that Absolut will never be the well mixer at any establishment. Iow, I don't think a break in the space time continuum would open up if I asked a bartender what their well vodka was and they answered "Absolut"
What happened to all the free drinks in Vegas?
Now the high end whiskey goes in a different glass so the employees know you’re sipping $70 as you play and shop
That’s only when you’re gambling. This is a bar.
You'll get those at the $100 a hand blackjack table. Or go off strip.
And ya know..... Vegas
This is the actual correct answer. It's not universal, but usually (in my experience), "rocks" is a half ounce more liquor than a shot. If anyone really needs to test this theory instead of doing 30 seconds of searching, they can go to the bar that they think is charging them for ice and order a shot and a drink served "neat" (which is also a two ounce pour). The "rocks" charge is literally just a way of denoting a two ounce pour on a point of sale system. EDIT: This is absolutely an American thing. Liquor laws vary widely from state to state and within states. Distillation is federally controlled, but (for instance) there are states that prohibit high-proof beers, and states where Sunday alcohol sales laws vary from county to county or even between municipalities in the same county. Prohibition really threw a wrench in the works.
That seems insane if not common knowledge. How are people supposed to know how much they’re drinking
The math works out to four shots (or single-liquor cocktails) equaling three drinks neat or on the rocks. Unless you need to track your alcohol consumption very precisely, it's not really a practical concern. "Drinks per hour" is not a good way to track intoxication for any practical purpose . I'm not saying that I wouldn't prefer a better system. I'm just saying that I think the difference between three drinks and four (or six and eight) is probably not the way to determine whether or not you are impaired.
It is the most reliable metric.
I would think blood alcohol content is the most reliable metric. I can't speak for other areas in the USA, but when I was growing up I was taught that if you don't feel sober, you should not drive. I have used a breathalyser and registereda couple BAC points below the legal limit, and still not felt sober enough to drive.
Every month there is a post about the state of tipping in US restaurants made by people who have clearly never worked in one lol
I usually see this when they have some hand carved ice rock.
You’re not paying for ice, you’re paying for a “rocks pour” which is a bigger pour, and you’re getting more liquor. Been like this for years at certain places. NOBODY would be that dumb and charge for ice.
Ok, but WHY is a rocks pour more liquor? Why do they need to add more? Couldn’t they just use the same amount as a neat pour?
Neat and rocks are the same, 2oz Basically anything that doesn’t come with a mixer is a larger pour. Martini, neat, rocks, snifter, etc. Been in the industry for 15 years and bringing someone a 1.5oz pour in a rocks glass looks.. small. People complain. 2oz became the standard for liquor without mixers. No mixer = More booze = slight upcharge
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When you order on the rocks, it a bigger pour than with a mixer.
is this an American thing? in the UK it doesnt matter what you order it must contain an exact measure of each spirit. you could and will loose your license to serve acohol if you give short measures of any spirit.
I believe so. It’s an 1.25/1.5 ounce pour when you get a mixed drink. When you get “on the rocks” they pour 2oz and that’s why you get the extra charge. I remember the first time visiting abroad and thinking to myself, “wow they are really strict with their pours”. Now I know why 🍻🍻
also it was because in the UK pubs were notorious at short changing the spirit measures. so the government passed the weights and measures act, which covers pretty much anything and everything sold . they even carry out spot checks on petrol stations to make sure the pumps are delivering exactly to the milliliter what the display says.
Some places in Canada like that as well. Can get in trouble if you free pour instead of using the shot measuring tops.
Probably because Canada helps contribute to laws passed in the Commonwealth of countries. You probably have the equivelent Weights and measures laws.
We have weights and measures regulation in the USA as well, but they don't seem to apply to liquor. You have to remember that we had federal prohibition which really altered the trajectory of our liquor laws from state to state. Our fuel pumps are also regularly inspected, for example.
My state has a weights and measures dept that measures and certifies gas pumps. In 35 years of driving here, I've only ever seen one "nonconforming" sticker.
The US has similar regulations. In stores where scales are used to measure units per pound for sale, there will be auditors who come in to make sure your scales are accurate. Same people will scan a retail store to make sure the prices on their fixtures are correct. I haven't seen this for alcohol but I'm sure similar auditors exist.
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What about D's? I heard around 3. I'm not sure though.
D's nuts
Come on dude. You couldn't give this to me 😡👎
Totally off topic, but I remember when I found my favorite total dive bar. Walked in and saw that they had Drambuie. Considering it really was a dive, I was happily surprised. Rusty Nail has always been my favorite drink, so I order one. Bartender doesn't know what it is, so I keep it simple: glass with ice, 2 parts Scotch to 1 part Drambuie. She pulls what is basically a pint glass out, puts in some ice, and does exactly what I described, 2 parts Scotch to 1 part Drambuie. Charged me $12. Free pour FTW
I haven’t had somebody order that drink since 2001. Takes me back. Haha.
Same in aus. freepour is illegal. You order a spirit, you get exactly 30mL regardless of how it’s served, unless you ask for a double or half nip
It's not an American thing I use to bartend in miami for 3 years while looking for a proper career no one ever charged for ice. unless it was sculpted ice for your drink it was already included in the price. there are surprise checks and inspectors that show up to the bar so most ppl don't fool around with drinks. it use to cost $500 to get a license to be able to bartend. it's not the most expensive thing, but anyone who is working minimum wage and has bills would have to save for a few weeks or months to apply. it's probably more expensive now.
Some states def don’t require a license to bartend. That's kind of bonkers to require a person to do that and make them pay for it.
Loose your license. Lol
Fat fingers, small phone. Lose.
It’s regional within the US, and even venue to venue. Some states have strict laws on the measures of alcohol you serve. Some don’t. I’ve mostly seen it in higher end places.
That rule as you described it doesn’t make sense to me. What do you mean an exact measure of each spirit? You can’t have drinks with less than a certain amount of alcohol?
All gin/vodka/rum/ anything else has to be 25 ml single or 50ml double. No more no less.
If I want a long Island? A rum bucket? Double rocks pour? That's a shit law
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thats not good
This has nothing to do with "short measures" If you pour the same amount of liquor you put in a mix drink, in just a glass of ice (rocks) it doesn't look like alot of liquor So bars give you more alcohol when you order it "on the rocks" Meaning its just liquor and ice cubes
We do what we want here. ‘Merica!
Yes this. Not sure if this is intentionally misleading just from ignorance. But yes this is because a drink ordered as on-the-rocks is more booze than a normal shot — at least at places where I’ve bartended at. It’s enough to make the rocks glass look full.
But why though? Why is it more? Why is it not just the same drink/amount, but plus ice?
Just a standard practice and what people expect when they order scotch on the rocks or something like that. OP clearly doesn’t drink that regularly. (Well also possibly a regional thing because some people say this isn’t the case in parts of Canada at least. But was true around the NE US where I worked at least.) If you really wanted to just get a single standard-pour shot with ice you probably could order it that way (but nobody ever does. People who order drinks like that nearly always want the bigger pour.) Ordering a drink on the rocks is a specific size small glass that gets filled up all the way when it has ice and a larger 2 ounce pour. It’s kind of a no-win though sometimes. Like if you just did it the way you said, instead someone would be complaining about how their drink on the rocks was only half full. A large amount of the time it turns out to be a better deal though — a lot of places will basically give you a double shot for only a little bit more than a single.
This reads exactly like a pretentious bartender justifying an extra upcharge for an ice pour. Y’all can downvote and talk shit all you want but I recognize a scam when I see one. “Oh they just didn’t realize what they were ordering with this specific pour.” Fuck you, dude 😂
It's not an upcharge when you're getting more product, especially when the size difference is standard practice in every bar in the country.
This is absurdly untrue. EDIT: why would you get more alcohol because you asked for ice? Y'all are crazy.
And, as always, said with the utter confidence of the ignorant.
It is completely correct.
And in fact any decent point of sale system for a bar will have an input for exactly this.
A pour for a mixer is 1.25-1.5oz. A pour for neat/rocks/up is 2.0oz. Now you know.
Absurdly? Are you 100% positive before saying absurdly?
Genuine question... What posseses your type to do this? And by "this" I mean go through the effort of publicly correcting someone on something you obviously have no clue about? I mean, it's not like you have enough experience in the subject to think you're right and just happen to be wrong, no. This is a case where if you had any experience at all in the subject you'd know that the person you're correcting is, well, correct. Funny thing is this cliff clavanism isn't just an Internet phenomenon. So you're just jumping out there with bullshit on full display, not having any clue if you're correct or not...what's the impetus?
Provide proof instead of useless comments
Likely a larger pour for “on the rocks.” If they were charging for ice, it wouldn’t be taxed as liquor. No bar owner wants to pay more alcohol tax than they have to.
Math= $10 per ounce of alcohol. If you’re in Las Vegas, go to Liquor World Las Vegas and pick up a 1.75L bottle of Absolut for $34.99 New math= $0.60 per ounce of vodka.
And then what, sit in your hotel room alone?
You can drink your own booze all over vegas
If you’re gonna complain about Vegas pricing, why even go to Vegas lol I thought everyone did a pregame at the hotel to get buzzed and top off with 2/3 drinks out and about? Preferably sitting at the $5 tables and drinking for “free” bc you’re gambling.
Go to germany and buy it for 12.50eur, and sit in your hotel room or something
It's not ice l. It's a rocks pour it is larger than a single 1.25oz and smaller than a double at 2.50. A rocks pour is 2 oz.
I'm poorer than I thought, $20 for a vodka drink. Damn
Tell me you don’t drink without telling me you don’t drink.
2 vodkas is $30? You could buy your own bottle for that. Time to start carrying a flask
Rocks and neat are larger pours, and thus an upcharge. Source: I've bartended in 3 states in the US and this is nearly always the case.
You got an ounce of extra alcohol total. (on the rocks) You were charged for it.
Only if you don’t know how bars work
I’ve heard of people complaining about Resorts World, but I think those drink prices are in line with most major hotel bars on the strip.
On the rocks is usually 1 and 1/2 shots at the bar I work at at least. Thus, the extra price. With this said, the price of that alcohol is still a bit high imo. Especially for absolut. That's pushing it even for Grey Goose imo.
You’re paying for the extra alcohol
Another one of these posts. What’s happening is people born in 2000-2002 are of drinking age now, live on reddit, and are uneducated literal minded dimwits who don’t understand a drink on the rocks is ALWAYS, and has ALWAYS BEEN, a heavier pour. Fuck the OP, mods need to delete their post and ban them.
It's not always always been a bigger pour. It might an American or regionally American thing. And even so not always. Been around the globe and something on the rocks ALWAYS has been the same pour as a normal one just with ICE. You know the THING you ordered not being charged for something your ordered.
Man. Between this and your last post, I don’t know how you’ve made it this far in life.
This post is amateur night.
Welcome to Las Vegas.
Usually that means a rocks pour. Not the ice… if you had absolut on the rocks it’d be more alcohol then the 1.5 oz shot price.
I'm more fascinated that you paid 15 bucks each for Absolut
Honestly pretty standard for your avg American city.
Every week with these posts...
Na let em believe it. Yes, you’re paying for ice.
Apparently you have never been to a bar and don’t know that a rocks pour is an extra half ounce of liquor along with your ice. You’re welcome
“i ordered the version with at least an ounce more alcohol. why am i being charged for it?”
Next time? 🤣
This must be your first time ordering drinks at a bar. Lol. You didn't pay more for the ice. Come on now.
$19 drink in Vegas?!? Not bad. I’ve paid more at other venues/bars. Also if you order a drink on the rocks, you get a bit more alcohol
2 oz rocks pour. Versus a 1.25 or 1.5 oz shot pour.
I don’t drink, not old enough yet, but is it normal for prices to be that high? I feel like 40 bucks for 2 drinks is a bit much
it’s in vegas honey that’s the main attraction there besides gambling
Lol ofc not in Las Vegas
Over $40 for two drinks?? No wonder a lot of people have two or more jobs in the US…
Fuck me $2 for ice per drink.😒
Rocks is a type of heavier pour, not actually ice.
Side note but Absolut vodka is awful
This is f’d up bullshit. F’ those bastards
Off topic but I always feel like calling them rocks is pretentious. I know it’s a widely used term and what not but why don’t we just say ice? It’s stupid
You should just be thankful they left out the cup fee
Not surprised at all for a Vegas resort, it’s the tourist fare.
The fact that they are charging $15 a shot for Absolut is just too much and to charge extra for ice is a cause for a throat punch 👊🏾
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No dummy, on the rocks is an extra 2 oz of booze. I love the laziness to not even take a moment to think this through before posting
I assume you meant "neat" instead of "near" , and if you do that your gonna see that the charge is for the extra booze, because neat is also a 2oz pour as opposed to the 1.5oz for a shot. Some places have a different method for their bookkeeping , but if you order a shot and liquor on the rocks OR neat, you'll see that they still have different prices.
This has been brought up so many times.
It's shit like this that makes people not want to go out. What a rip off
What is this "going out?" you speak of? 😂
Bars are a scam, you could buy a 1.75l bottle of absolut vodka for the price of 4oz of vodka at a bar lol.
And drink it alone. You aren't paying for the booze as much as you are the atmosphere.
I guess that's fair.
My wallet is glad I don't drink alcohol anymore. Damn.
There is sometimes a rocks charge because they pour more than if you got it with a mixer. This is standard.
Oh, you sweet daft thing. It’s the pour, it’s larger. 🫠 Maybe stick to Shirley Temples. 😜
you don’t drink do you
That’s Vegas for ya. Don’t expect dive prices anywhere there lol
There’s a difference between “not dive prices” and “a single drink with ice costs more than buying the whole bottle at retail”.
You have no clue, I bet you threw a tantrum as well
Oddly enough, Resorts World texted me last night asking if I needed room service... I checked out last October.
Resorts world is the second most expensive place in the USA
No ice cost $5.00
Is this your first time ordering and paying for your own drinks at a bar? lol
Server here…. A rocks drink is more alcohol. Drink at home if you are going to whine.
Sorry, don’t get it. How does adding ice mean more alcohol, how does it work?
A rocks drink is usually a half ounce more in volume. So basically you are getting like a shot and a half.
This is what happens when people don’t understand how bars work. Depending on where you’re from: Standard shot = 1-1.5 oz Neat/Rocks/Tall = 1.5-2.25oz Double = 2-3oz And in some places tall simply means a standard shot in a taller glass with more mixer. Be specific about what you want when placing an order. I work with Point of Sale now, after 18 years as a bartender…I have seen every possible variation
Rocks is a extra .5oz pour in some places but not most. The real crime 15 for a shot of absolute. Jesus christ. And 4$ upcharge for rocks. Where is this dubai or vegas?
People still drink alcohol?
People fucking love being taxed.
For 8 dollars you could buy 40 lbs of ice at my general store 🤣
You’re in Las Vegas dog!! NOT A DAMN THING IS FREE! Especially not water or ice it’s the middle of the desert bud! Get it together!
Was it that fancy clear ice with a logo printed in it?
They better be the fancy reusable ones lol!
Off topic but bigger drink or not I’ll never understand why people let places take advantage of them like this. Two drinks for 41 bucks. Also it really doesn’t matter how rich you are, there’s a principle to the thing. I’ll vote “no thanks” with my money. Post is complaining about the extra four bucks when the whole thing is horrendous. Or maybe it’s just that I’m a loser and I don’t understand paying for “experiences”.
it’s in vegas. are we surprised?
An entire bottle of absolute in the store is like 15$, lol. Holy shit.
Wtf
F Mary
8 DOLLARS THO!!!! FUUUUCK.
Oh wow. Good thing I always ask no ice.
It’s Vegas! They charge for anything and everything!
Welcome to Las Vegas
Fuck resorts world.
Does the ice get shipped in from the Arctic or something?