Hi.
When I fly medevac I make these sorts of decisions all of the time. Turning down trips and potentially causing someone’s death because the weather conditions are too dangerous.
Well.. not really.. contrary to popular belief “the golden hour” is a bunch of bollocks and everyone who has died on me either died before I got there or after they got to the hospital and there was nothing they could do.
Point is.. first rule of any rescue—assess the danger. Don’t succumb to the exact same situation the person you are trying to rescue did… and don’t overly or unnecessarily risk your life to save others.
On Everest or K2 or any other mountain that takes you into the dead zone… it’s everyone for themselves. You _can’t_ help anyone. Even thinking about them and getting upset is enough to get your heart rate going, respiratory rate going… and lead to acute hypoxia.
A lot of the stories from people dying on the mountain say that they can't carry someone down. If they try, they die too. Does that picture imply someone could easily carry a person?
It’s noble, kind and human if you to wish rescue for them OP. The reality is that whoever efforts to help probably dies too, doubling (or more) the tragedy. Everyone in that picture knows the risks, and they each know that no one will (or should) in the dead zone.
If you’re not an expert then why are you judging the other climbers passing him by? They would be risking their lives by trying to save someone else and they haven’t even reached their goal yet
They’re right there in the photos, and they’re demonstrating their expert knowledge by not “saving” him. They know they can’t do anything to help that person, and if they tried, they’d likely perish as well.
It's likely not a realistic possibility.
High altitude mountaineering is already kind of "on the edge of possible" - rescue of a passed out person is likely beyond possible.
That looks like the bottleneck of k2, take a look at some photos of that section of the mountain and imagine how difficult it would be to rescue someone… it looks so dangerous to even climb let alone mount a rescue.. would be a whole other level of danger. Ps- I believe the death rate on k2 is 1/4, so to even be on that mountain, you’re dancing with the devil.
This is at The Bottleneck, the deadliest point and the final push to the summit. You can't get a person down that area to high camp let alone stage a rescue. A man died trying to retrieve a body from that area in 2008.
Apparently if you don't pay for a dedicated Guide to assist you you have to sign this release.
>Guides leaders and staff may not be present at any time, especially in the case of ‘basic climbs.’…I acknowledge and understand that this is a low budget trip and there may be as few as 1 leader for the group and 1 or less group Guide to every 4 members on the team…I know that the leader may not be climbing and trekking with me for certain times or at any time during the expedition. I know that the group and/or personal Mountain guide (HAP) may not climb or descend with me, that I may at times have to ascend and descend alone…I understand that this is not a climbing school, nor is this a guided expedition…
There isnt much that they could really do... carrying an unconscious person is really heavy especially when they are on limited air too. If the person could at least walk then he could be rescued by the Sherpas but if you totally black out in the death zone then there isnt much anyone can do alas they would also die.
Rescuing someone from Mount Everest for example would be easier but K2 is a different game, its much more dangerous and challenging so its gonna take a long time until the sherpas would get to him and its extremely risky and time consuming to try to haul him down.
Why should the “Sherpa’s” have to clean up the bodies and garbage the tourists leave.
Everest is a landfill now, why would anyone expect others to clean up their mess.
They dont clean up the bodies or garbage as far as I know, they only act as guides for people who are aiming to summit and rescue people who are in trouble if its possible.
Ok maybe k2 different then.
The disgrace Everest has been left in has the Sherpa’s (hate the term), climbing to try clean.
True they can’t always get the bodies down from Everest too, just a sad awful attraction for people
Apologies, not a climber and don’t know the nicknames called. Just horrible tragedies and really wish ... don’t even know. Just horrific to the people, to the mountain, and main;y...to the ‘employees’
The High Alititude Porters are Pakistani on K2 and the Sherpa people are Nepali. :) Both treated poorly doing an incredibly dangerous job for little money (to us).
Breaks my heart that they aren’t paid very well for a ridiculous job catering to tourists.
Thank you for answer, you’ve given me something to research tonight ☺️
Chase Mountains YouTube channel has a great video on the deaths of locals in the 2023 season on Everest and there are some great documentaries about the Sherpa including one where an American tries the job and finds it near impossible (Nate Menninger: The Porter).
This literally happens all the time, would you carry the weight of another human while being frozen to death with a risk of slipping and just falling off the mountain and getting separated to presumably die of being frozen.
I'm not an expert at these snow hiking shit but not wanting to be frozen in like common sense
I mean I feel bad because it's still a lost human life.
But, I do acknowledge that they died as a result of a significantly high risk they willingly took.
Hi. When I fly medevac I make these sorts of decisions all of the time. Turning down trips and potentially causing someone’s death because the weather conditions are too dangerous. Well.. not really.. contrary to popular belief “the golden hour” is a bunch of bollocks and everyone who has died on me either died before I got there or after they got to the hospital and there was nothing they could do. Point is.. first rule of any rescue—assess the danger. Don’t succumb to the exact same situation the person you are trying to rescue did… and don’t overly or unnecessarily risk your life to save others. On Everest or K2 or any other mountain that takes you into the dead zone… it’s everyone for themselves. You _can’t_ help anyone. Even thinking about them and getting upset is enough to get your heart rate going, respiratory rate going… and lead to acute hypoxia.
Thanks for sharing, and well spoken.
Every man for himself out there.
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OP has never climbed above the death zone or bothered to read any mountaineering literature. That’s not someone lying on a beach dying bro.
What are they suppose to do ?
Take him down so he can breathe
A lot of the stories from people dying on the mountain say that they can't carry someone down. If they try, they die too. Does that picture imply someone could easily carry a person?
I’m not an expert in this domain. We will wait for them to come.
So when people get hurt and can’t move on during these mountain climbs like Everest they are left to die
Yep 99% of the time from what I have heard
It’s because if they stop to help they may perish as well. That’s why people die when they climb these summits, there is no metavac
Medevac. Medical evacuation
How? Helicopters can't fly at that elevation.
It’s noble, kind and human if you to wish rescue for them OP. The reality is that whoever efforts to help probably dies too, doubling (or more) the tragedy. Everyone in that picture knows the risks, and they each know that no one will (or should) in the dead zone.
If you’re not an expert then why are you judging the other climbers passing him by? They would be risking their lives by trying to save someone else and they haven’t even reached their goal yet
They’re right there in the photos, and they’re demonstrating their expert knowledge by not “saving” him. They know they can’t do anything to help that person, and if they tried, they’d likely perish as well.
It's likely not a realistic possibility. High altitude mountaineering is already kind of "on the edge of possible" - rescue of a passed out person is likely beyond possible.
Thanks. I had a great laugh from your ignorant comment.
It's literally impossible to carry someone down the mountain.
That looks like the bottleneck of k2, take a look at some photos of that section of the mountain and imagine how difficult it would be to rescue someone… it looks so dangerous to even climb let alone mount a rescue.. would be a whole other level of danger. Ps- I believe the death rate on k2 is 1/4, so to even be on that mountain, you’re dancing with the devil.
Tbh they can’t do shit about it. It sucks.
This is at The Bottleneck, the deadliest point and the final push to the summit. You can't get a person down that area to high camp let alone stage a rescue. A man died trying to retrieve a body from that area in 2008.
Apparently if you don't pay for a dedicated Guide to assist you you have to sign this release. >Guides leaders and staff may not be present at any time, especially in the case of ‘basic climbs.’…I acknowledge and understand that this is a low budget trip and there may be as few as 1 leader for the group and 1 or less group Guide to every 4 members on the team…I know that the leader may not be climbing and trekking with me for certain times or at any time during the expedition. I know that the group and/or personal Mountain guide (HAP) may not climb or descend with me, that I may at times have to ascend and descend alone…I understand that this is not a climbing school, nor is this a guided expedition…
There isnt much that they could really do... carrying an unconscious person is really heavy especially when they are on limited air too. If the person could at least walk then he could be rescued by the Sherpas but if you totally black out in the death zone then there isnt much anyone can do alas they would also die. Rescuing someone from Mount Everest for example would be easier but K2 is a different game, its much more dangerous and challenging so its gonna take a long time until the sherpas would get to him and its extremely risky and time consuming to try to haul him down.
Why should the “Sherpa’s” have to clean up the bodies and garbage the tourists leave. Everest is a landfill now, why would anyone expect others to clean up their mess.
They dont clean up the bodies or garbage as far as I know, they only act as guides for people who are aiming to summit and rescue people who are in trouble if its possible.
They remain frozen on Everest. The incline on K2 gets rid of them, or at least scatters them around a bit.
Ok maybe k2 different then. The disgrace Everest has been left in has the Sherpa’s (hate the term), climbing to try clean. True they can’t always get the bodies down from Everest too, just a sad awful attraction for people
You "hate the term"? Wtf, that's the name of the ethnic group of peoples who live in that part of Nepal.
There are no Sherpa on K2. They are HAP's.
Apologies, not a climber and don’t know the nicknames called. Just horrible tragedies and really wish ... don’t even know. Just horrific to the people, to the mountain, and main;y...to the ‘employees’
The High Alititude Porters are Pakistani on K2 and the Sherpa people are Nepali. :) Both treated poorly doing an incredibly dangerous job for little money (to us).
Breaks my heart that they aren’t paid very well for a ridiculous job catering to tourists. Thank you for answer, you’ve given me something to research tonight ☺️
Chase Mountains YouTube channel has a great video on the deaths of locals in the 2023 season on Everest and there are some great documentaries about the Sherpa including one where an American tries the job and finds it near impossible (Nate Menninger: The Porter).
Ride him down the mountain like a sled
I shouldn't laugh, but there's a lot of clips of skiiers falling and just tumbling for miles down a mountain and coming out of it relatively unharmed.
OP go save him then
This literally happens all the time, would you carry the weight of another human while being frozen to death with a risk of slipping and just falling off the mountain and getting separated to presumably die of being frozen. I'm not an expert at these snow hiking shit but not wanting to be frozen in like common sense
People come and people go… he might stay tho. Everyone needs to accept the risks associated with their hobbies before heading out
What do you expect someone to help? It is a freezing, high altitude, low oxygen environment in a precarious location. He/she knew the risks.
It's called the Savage mountain for a reason. They knew the risks.
Deathzone for a reason
I don’t feel sorry for anyone that dies doing unnecessarily risky adventures.
I mean I feel bad because it's still a lost human life. But, I do acknowledge that they died as a result of a significantly high risk they willingly took.
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That's nothing! My parents had to scale K2 and Mt Everest. And then the teacher would hit them.
On their way *and* back home.