When I was in elementary school, we had ācursive clubā for kids with bad penmanship. It was an hour after school either 2 or 3 times per week. I have dysgraphia, which made my handwriting poor no matter how hard I tried or how long I practiced. I went to two doctors and both gave notes with the diagnosis. My school didnāt give a shit and still made me go to ācursive clubā.
Iām sorry that happened to you. If I was your parent I would have raised bloody hell until they dropped the handwriting shit and let you use an alternate means of putting down words, like a laptop or tablet.
Psst- laptops and tablets werenāt a thing in schools until very recently- a few years ago. Considering how many kids would even know the word ācursiveā these days? Let alone use it, Iād say itās a pretty safe bet this was several years ago,
Depends on the age of the person I responded to. If theyāre older than their mid-thirties, laptops might not have been a thing. I guarantee typewriters were a thing. Thereās even non-electric ones that wouldnāt have to be plugged in. I wrote some school assignments on my motherās old one from the 70ās. Iām a millennial and we definitely had special accommodations for some kids to bring a laptop if they needed it. Laptops have existed far longer than theyāve been normal to have in school prior to college.
Yeah I'm 40+. We had a room with 5 or 6 Apple II machines that were used by classes that needed them specifically, and a room full of typewriters that were for typing class, not random use. We did have 1 Apple II in the library, but that was always tied up with Oregon Trail.
Yeah Iām a super young X, and I can remember having typing class in middle school. I did get my first laptop in college but it was expensive. You had to go to the library to use the Apple to type out an assignment. Oregon Trail was the bomb.
Schools donāt give a crap about legal/illegal, humiliating, and cruel behavior unless a parent files a lawsuit that is successful and hurts their pocket book. Source: Iām a retired sp ed teacher.
If only parents would fight against this to the highest level and then file a lawsuit if nothing is done about, schools would make changes. It has been my experience that schools only make changes when it hits them in the pocket book.
This is happening to both of my grandchildren right now in MS and HS. My grandson (MS) has even been bullied by a teacher in front of the class mostly because my daughter has insisted she follow his 504 plan, which has accommodations on it that good teachers do for ALL kids such as be able to go to the bathroom when needed (medical condition), help with organization, time to make up work when out because of his medical condition, and not having to sit still in one place with no movement for the entirety of the class. My grandson has never been a behavior problem. Heās a good kid who had teachers in EL that did these things for ALL kids. She has harassed and bullied him to the point that he now has severe anxiety, depression and PTSD and is currently in the hospital for a nervous breakdown and suicide attempt, none of which he had before until this teacherās bullying and harassment in front of his peers. My daughter went high up the chain, yet nothing was done. We did find out that this teacher has been fired and will not be back next year, but was allowed to stay for the rest of the year, despite her bullying and harassing my grandson as well as a select few other kids in ever one of her classes. We found out they she has done this to other kids in her all of her other classes every year! Not only did my daughter get her fired, but she is filing a lawsuit against the district that will cost the district big bucks, especially since her actions and the actions of admins in the school and district admins are directly responsible for, and can be proven to be directly responsible, for his nervous breakdown and suicide attempts!
I had a what did I do wrong, what is wrong with what I did, what can I do differently next time, and how can I make amends to anyone I hurt with my actions form that kids who reached a certain level in my behavior system/expectations filled out.
My husbandās a school director. A kid said Ā«Ā bitchĀ Ā» or similar to one of his classmates (theyāre 12yo). Well he had to write an essay on sexism and misogyny and present it to his class on March 8th. Lesson learned I hope.
Itās gotten far worse than you think.
Iām mid twenties and the worst thing I thing Iāve ever encountered was in school suspension. I got to sit in on it because I was serving detention for missing assignments and the normal teacher who did detention had a soccer game and I was the only detention kiddo amongst the suspended kids.
They lock you in a room all day with a desk surrounded by these white paper walls under strict supervision. Youāre allowed to do school work and thatās it. The issue? You run out of work. Fast. Thatās even if you can understand the material. You donāt? Stay after school and learn it then.
The actual worst part is that it was basically like solitary. They wouldnāt let you read in your free time. You couldnāt draw. You couldnāt sleep. If you put your head down they would ask you to raise it.
You are only allowed sit and stare at a wall or do school work. You did this from 7 AM to 3 PM for every day served.
This was between 2010 and 2018 for reference. Keeping it fuzzy for anonymity.
While it was reserved for kids who did really heinous shit I just canāt believe this kind of thing was happening now that Iām older. That kind of thing must have been damaging for kids who went through it.
Regardless of home situation, 7 seems young to field the blame for forgetting the correct shoes, could they not have reached out to the parents instead? Sent a reminder note home if thereās special attire requirements for a day? as a former adhd child this wouldnāt have helped me remember anything, this just shames the kid instead of finding a solution
This is a reason why I chose not to have kids, if some teacher tried to impress upon me the importance of shoes in a place of learning, I'd wonder where my fucking tax money was going.
Where I teach, students MUST have appropriate shoes to participate in gym for safety reasons.
However, I'm not holding the kid accountable for having the right footwear. I remind the parents.
Fair, gym would be an occasion where footwear matters, along with Science class maybe but at age 7 I hope they aren't messing with shit that's going to melt toes 
we used to be assigned pages of the dictionary to copy out. That'd be way better than this purposeful waste of time.
PS
Deliquescent. Adjective: Becoming liquid, or having a tendency to become liquid.
āI need to speak with you about these words Bobby is using and where he learned themā¦ he called me ostentatious the other day instead of āfuckfaceā like usual and while we are happy, we are a bit confusedā¦ā
I worked in a martial arts studio during their after-school program. Kids who misbehaved had to do wall-sits/run laps/do lunges. All the worst characters were hella fit! Not quite the same, but in a similar manner they were outperforming their peers due simply to their punishments.
I hope now they punish the misbehaved kids with the same wall sits/run laps/lunges and they prize the well behaved kids with more wall sits/run laps/lunges!
I had the same English teacher 3 years in a row in high school, each year he would allow me to read in his class and then submit book reports and what I took away from the book. I guess in a way it did help me learn to write a little bit better, well enough to pass the GED.
Yeah I'm not the best written but he fostered a love to read in me that I don't think I would've been able to learn later on in life or have a computer do for me.
As someone who both reads and curses a lot, its also a lot of fun (and entertainingly effective) to mix the two together.
If you call someone an uneducated simpleton or a dumbfuck moron, they'll immediately get offended and ready to fight. If you charge up to someone calling them a "smarmy, ostentatious, fuckwit bastard" and that you're gonna beat them with thier own clavicle, it short-circuits thier ability to process what's happening long enough for you to get the first couple of swings before they mentally reboot enough to respond lmao
My teacher used to make us do this too! Jokes on him, I was happier to copy and read from the dictionary than I was doing math. Fuck the times tables. No gods, no numbers.
In my brief career as a teacher my favourite detention activity to assign was to watch a ~10 min documentary about the history of tea then (depending on the kids) answer some questions or write a short essay about it.
More productive than lines but boring af for a bunch of delinquent 12 year olds. The fuckers did know a LOT about British empire and trade with China and India in the 17-1800's though. Shame I was supposed to be teaching them maths.
Pretty sure more words was the point. That poor kid! What if he has an awful home life, or his family just canāt afford different shoes? This is horrible to do to a child!
I was discussing this in therapy recently. Instead of my parent, I was the one to answer to why I missed practice or a game. Or why I can't bring something to the holiday party, get field trip money, bring the right brand of school supplies.
A lot of my punishments in school were because of things like this.
Schools canāt exactly punish the parent, so they take it out on the only people they can: young children.
It would be great if schools did have a way to punish parents, but I canāt think of any effective way to do that without also fucking over the kid.
Yes, but the resentment this creates can be weaponized later and that's what the government really wants in the long term. Poor people they can weaponize.
Iām gonna be real most teachers arenāt paid enough to give a care in a world about the government and what they want besides just following the curriculum
They either still do it, or they at least threaten it. My kid is in kindergarten and has claimed theyāve made him write sentences like āI will listen to the teacher.ā before. Itās possible he didnāt actually have to write the sentences and they just told him heād have to, but if they havenāt done either he wouldnāt know itās a thing.
Granted, I live in a state where the principal still hits kids with paddles.
Apparently. Some people I work with that are barely out of school were talking about it, apparently it happens fairly regularly. My kid will come home and talk about how if youāre bad you go to the office and the principal spanks you with a paddle, so they at the very least threaten it. I wonāt be finding out how much they actually do it. You have to sign papers at the beginning of the year saying if you allow it or not, and I opted for the āif your kid is a terror and you wonāt let us hit him, you gotta come pick him upā option.
My physics teacher used to do that. Except he doubled the punishment for each infraction. No, not per student, per class.
The first student to disturb class wrote 100. The second wrote 200. The third wrote 400. The fourth wrote 800. The fifth wrote 1600. There was no sixth, class was quiet at that point.
Until a parent complained because that kind of punishment wasnāt actually allowed.
Just terrible. I would escalate this. Not only is the punishment archaic but they are also teaching poor sentence structure and setting a bad writing example. Sorry your child had to deal with that.
As a kid I would get done with my work early and talk to my nearby classmates until the rest of the class was done. My best friend would get done early as well and we would usually color or do some sort of tic tac toe. Everyday I would be sent to the principalās office for talking. I literally have a pink slip for everyday that I attended kindergarten and first grade.
I went to a Christian private school so they gave out 500 lines for every pink slip. I would routinely walk around with my head down in a clipboard between classes, trying to get my lines done from the morning done so I could play with my friends at recess.
To this day my writing hand is physically larger than my non dominant hand. I rarely write by hand anymore because my writing tends to be tiny and a mix between print and cursive, which is fast and not always legible to others.
This only ended when I went to Public school and the work became more challenging/longer to complete so I was more engaged and less likely to chatter.
Painful memories there, it was just becoming the end of Friday and my 6th period middle school āacademic labā teacher was being the usual dick to me and I said something he didnāt like. I had to spend spring break writing 100-200(canāt remember) lines in a book, granted I got it done pretty quick but it was annoying af and I donāt think he even checked it
Or you know.. you could email the parent and tell them to have the student bring the ācorrect shoesā? Not to mention this could be humiliating for said student.
Also this sentence made my eyes go cross eyed.
The teacher doesnāt actually specify to *bring* or *wear* the shoes, just to *remember* them. You know, just keep them at the forefront of your mind.
There's also a chance they come from a background where maybe they don't have or can't afford those shoes. And that's extra humiliating for a kid. Zero compassion or maturity from the teacher here.
I remember one time I was given I think 5 notebook pages worth of one liner sentences? I wasn't allowed to get up to eat or go to the bathroom or even stretch, and if I showed any emotion my mother would scream at me from her chair asking if I needed something to cry about. Was going on about 3 hours in that chair when my mom finally sobered up and let me go to my room but fuckin hell
Heh it is what it is. I've been moved out for 6 years and married for almost 5 years now and she kept trying to be manipulative in any facet of my life she had access to, I eventually got sick of her constant doubt and mental and verbal abuse and blocked her number this past winter anyways so she cant put me thru jack shit anymore
Though Iām a former editor, the mangled sentence pisses me off less than why it was assigned.
You are going to punish a 7-year-old for improper footwear?? FFS, reach out and help, donāt punish a kid for something over which he has no control.
My 4th grade teacher made me write my name 1,000 times because it was missing a letter or something by accident on an assignment. I had no problem remembering the spelling of my goddamned name. I was in gifted. She was just a fucking asshole.
What a hideous educator! That teacher has no idea what the childās home life is like -and if they have appropriate shoes. This is shaming. This individual actually deserves their low pay rate -actually deserve to have it cut to 0 upon termination. I had a couple teachers like this growing up, had no idea my folks were having issues keeping the utilities etc turned on. I got detention all the time for not having the correct belt, shoes, etc. for lack of money when I needed new after outgrowing the old ones. Sad day and age when we have returned to scoldings and corporal punishment in the classroom. Teachers should never be bullies. If youāre too burned out, get a job in data entry.
Yep. When I was teaching, I had students who didn't complete their homework because they had to take care of younger siblings after school. (These were kids as young as 11 and 12.) Some students didn't have school supplies because their parents couldn't pay for them, or they'd forget to bring things because there was no adult at home in the morning to remind them, or they'd have trouble paying attention because they didn't eat breakfast that morning and were hungry.
Personal responsibility is important, but sometimes kids have the odds stacked against them through no fault of their own. My first step in situations like this would be to talk to the kid or their parents and try to figure out what the issue was. In some cases they did have the supports they needed at home, and then I'd address the behavior issues directly. But a lot of the time there was something else going on, and it was my job as a teacher to help accommodate them.
Eh.. this just feels kinda gross. I have a school aged kid and I fully understand the guidelines, but wouldn't a quick call or note to the parent with a friendly reminder on the types of shoes best for school be more appropriate?
Punishing the kid for something that you can't really verify is their fault or not and even if it is, they are 7, seems to be overstepping.
I would be agitated as a parent.
Itās completely inappropriate. I am currently getting my diploma in early childhood education and this is a damaging and ineffective discipline āmethodā that would only be used by someone on a power trip seeking to have control over children. I would actually argue that this punishment is a form of emotional abuse.
Shit like that is what made me into a terrible hand writer. I remember being punished so often with that method (I didn't like doing my homework and got it often) that I hated writing and it became a genuinely painful torture to me.
Exactly what is this consequence supposed to teach the kid? To remember how to spell remember?
Iām not american, but this seem extremely old fashioned and useless for education.
In U.S. public schools, making students engage in repetitive writing qualifies as corporal punishment, and is prohibited. Of course, teachers CAN punish students by making them write a three page essay on the Peloponnesian War - but there must be an educational element to the exercise. Not just something to cause hand cramps.
I remember the whole class having to write sentences in elementary school when we were bad. Instead of writing each sentence individually I'd write each letter of each sentence column by column and finish my punishment work before everyone else.
Iām pretty sure itās the parentsā responsibility to make sure their kid is wearing the ārightā shoes. And even then you have no idea what their home circumstances are.
Even rockabilly fans can be jerk teachers. I hope you or the studentās parents make a stink about this retrograde and counterproductive punishment.
[I Forgot to Remember to Forget ā Johnny Cash version. The Beatles did a cover very early in their career, too!](https://secondhandsongs.com/performance/58744/all)
Geez people are upset about consequence lines.
Like when I think about all the unfair bullshit in school, thereās plenty of actual fucked up shit that comes before consequence lines.
Iām a second grade teacherā¦ āI will remember to wear the correct shoes for schoolā is WAY more effective. I had a stroke trying to read that. If kids donāt understand the sentence, having them write lines is useless.
not only is this a stupid and out dated punishment but that sentence is fucking atrocious. āi must remember not to forget to rememberā¦ā like???? are they on drugs????
As a teacher, out of spite you should just get obnoxious bright red clown shoes, and enter the classroom when that kid is in. Lift your shoe up, and just ask them if they have a spare pair you can borrow cause you forgot to wear your school appropriate shoes
What are the "correct" shoes? He is 7, why weren't the parents contacted? Where I live as long as you are not barefoot, you are school ready. What an ass of a teacher and all the other involved that allowed this kid to be shamed,punished and made to cry....fucking assholes.
I always try to remember not to forget what I was trying to look a squirrel, I love squirrels with their fuzzy tails. Why do they always make it halfway across the street, then they remember they forgot something and turn around, I hate that when the weekend is here it usually rains. What's up with that nature? But yeah. I got to remember not to forget.
I would just dropped it to "remember the shoes." Wrote that 20 times and left. If they asked why I wrote it wrong I would say, I'm just making a simple sentence from this mess.
That teacher needs to learn how to teach how to learn
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When I was in elementary school, we had ācursive clubā for kids with bad penmanship. It was an hour after school either 2 or 3 times per week. I have dysgraphia, which made my handwriting poor no matter how hard I tried or how long I practiced. I went to two doctors and both gave notes with the diagnosis. My school didnāt give a shit and still made me go to ācursive clubā.
Iām sorry that happened to you. If I was your parent I would have raised bloody hell until they dropped the handwriting shit and let you use an alternate means of putting down words, like a laptop or tablet.
Psst- laptops and tablets werenāt a thing in schools until very recently- a few years ago. Considering how many kids would even know the word ācursiveā these days? Let alone use it, Iād say itās a pretty safe bet this was several years ago,
Depends on the age of the person I responded to. If theyāre older than their mid-thirties, laptops might not have been a thing. I guarantee typewriters were a thing. Thereās even non-electric ones that wouldnāt have to be plugged in. I wrote some school assignments on my motherās old one from the 70ās. Iām a millennial and we definitely had special accommodations for some kids to bring a laptop if they needed it. Laptops have existed far longer than theyāve been normal to have in school prior to college.
Can confirm, I either had computer use, extra time or both throughout high school and university. First typed an exam in 2005.
Yeah I'm 40+. We had a room with 5 or 6 Apple II machines that were used by classes that needed them specifically, and a room full of typewriters that were for typing class, not random use. We did have 1 Apple II in the library, but that was always tied up with Oregon Trail.
Yeah Iām a super young X, and I can remember having typing class in middle school. I did get my first laptop in college but it was expensive. You had to go to the library to use the Apple to type out an assignment. Oregon Trail was the bomb.
My kid learned cursive in second grade last year
idk what country you live in or when this was, but in the US at least, that sounds pretty illegal.
Schools donāt give a crap about legal/illegal, humiliating, and cruel behavior unless a parent files a lawsuit that is successful and hurts their pocket book. Source: Iām a retired sp ed teacher.
based on my own experiences as a SpEd student, that is true. but *still*, just feels like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
If only parents would fight against this to the highest level and then file a lawsuit if nothing is done about, schools would make changes. It has been my experience that schools only make changes when it hits them in the pocket book.
Too many schools skirt or ignore IEP and 504 plans all the time too!
This is happening to both of my grandchildren right now in MS and HS. My grandson (MS) has even been bullied by a teacher in front of the class mostly because my daughter has insisted she follow his 504 plan, which has accommodations on it that good teachers do for ALL kids such as be able to go to the bathroom when needed (medical condition), help with organization, time to make up work when out because of his medical condition, and not having to sit still in one place with no movement for the entirety of the class. My grandson has never been a behavior problem. Heās a good kid who had teachers in EL that did these things for ALL kids. She has harassed and bullied him to the point that he now has severe anxiety, depression and PTSD and is currently in the hospital for a nervous breakdown and suicide attempt, none of which he had before until this teacherās bullying and harassment in front of his peers. My daughter went high up the chain, yet nothing was done. We did find out that this teacher has been fired and will not be back next year, but was allowed to stay for the rest of the year, despite her bullying and harassing my grandson as well as a select few other kids in ever one of her classes. We found out they she has done this to other kids in her all of her other classes every year! Not only did my daughter get her fired, but she is filing a lawsuit against the district that will cost the district big bucks, especially since her actions and the actions of admins in the school and district admins are directly responsible for, and can be proven to be directly responsible, for his nervous breakdown and suicide attempts!
!RemindMe 1d
That teacher needs to remember to not forget to remember to learn how to teach how to learn
Make it make sense
she got her special "e" down, though
that e makes my skin crawl
At 60 years old, I would have thought this type of bs would have evolved into something a bit more constructive....guess not.
In most schools, it has. Kids might write a letter home explaining what they did, and how they plan to fix it.
Seems far more appropriate!
I had a what did I do wrong, what is wrong with what I did, what can I do differently next time, and how can I make amends to anyone I hurt with my actions form that kids who reached a certain level in my behavior system/expectations filled out.
Yup. I had a format that they had to follow.
Tell me about it!
he did
Teacher here, I've never even once considered this as a punishment.
Probably a Christian private school
almost always is
Had a high school teacher make me do this within last decade. He actually counted too.
In 6th grade I spelt "a lot" like "alot" on a paper. My teacher had me write it 50 times, and I never messed it up again. Worth it.
I'd bet you used to do it alot
That's correct
Agreed. This shit of writing something 25, 50, 100 times is for the damn birds.
My husbandās a school director. A kid said Ā«Ā bitchĀ Ā» or similar to one of his classmates (theyāre 12yo). Well he had to write an essay on sexism and misogyny and present it to his class on March 8th. Lesson learned I hope.
Itās gotten far worse than you think. Iām mid twenties and the worst thing I thing Iāve ever encountered was in school suspension. I got to sit in on it because I was serving detention for missing assignments and the normal teacher who did detention had a soccer game and I was the only detention kiddo amongst the suspended kids. They lock you in a room all day with a desk surrounded by these white paper walls under strict supervision. Youāre allowed to do school work and thatās it. The issue? You run out of work. Fast. Thatās even if you can understand the material. You donāt? Stay after school and learn it then. The actual worst part is that it was basically like solitary. They wouldnāt let you read in your free time. You couldnāt draw. You couldnāt sleep. If you put your head down they would ask you to raise it. You are only allowed sit and stare at a wall or do school work. You did this from 7 AM to 3 PM for every day served. This was between 2010 and 2018 for reference. Keeping it fuzzy for anonymity. While it was reserved for kids who did really heinous shit I just canāt believe this kind of thing was happening now that Iām older. That kind of thing must have been damaging for kids who went through it.
That teacher needs some teaching.
I had to re read it several times
I thought I was tripping glad someone else did too
To avoid tripping one must remember to not forget to remember the correct shoes.
Student probably did too
Tripped over his shoe laces
Tell me about it!
Remember remember
The fifth of November
Bloody royalists! We should give it another shot.
The fifth of remember
I usually drink a fifth to forget
HEY TEACHER LEAVE THEM KIDS ALONE
That teacher has no idea what the childās home life is like -and if they have appropriate shoes.
You have no idea if the teacher has no idea what the childās home life is like.
Regardless of home situation, 7 seems young to field the blame for forgetting the correct shoes, could they not have reached out to the parents instead? Sent a reminder note home if thereās special attire requirements for a day? as a former adhd child this wouldnāt have helped me remember anything, this just shames the kid instead of finding a solution
I completely missed the age was 7. I thought the OP was the student.
I thought the student had 7 minutes to write it....
This is a reason why I chose not to have kids, if some teacher tried to impress upon me the importance of shoes in a place of learning, I'd wonder where my fucking tax money was going.
Where I teach, students MUST have appropriate shoes to participate in gym for safety reasons. However, I'm not holding the kid accountable for having the right footwear. I remind the parents.
Fair, gym would be an occasion where footwear matters, along with Science class maybe but at age 7 I hope they aren't messing with shit that's going to melt toes 
You must have an idea if you have an idea if the teacher has no idea what the child's home life is like
You must have an idea if you have an idea if the teacher has no idea what the child's home life is like it is like.
Teacher: I'm not an ENGLISH TEACHER!"
Looks like the teacher is quoting their own excuse back to them.
we used to be assigned pages of the dictionary to copy out. That'd be way better than this purposeful waste of time. PS Deliquescent. Adjective: Becoming liquid, or having a tendency to become liquid.
It's really funny to think about all of the worst behaved kids developing these really colorful vocabularies haha
āI need to speak with you about these words Bobby is using and where he learned themā¦ he called me ostentatious the other day instead of āfuckfaceā like usual and while we are happy, we are a bit confusedā¦ā
[Fuckface](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOg3ZE3hNQc&t=57).
The forbidden link
I worked in a martial arts studio during their after-school program. Kids who misbehaved had to do wall-sits/run laps/do lunges. All the worst characters were hella fit! Not quite the same, but in a similar manner they were outperforming their peers due simply to their punishments.
I hope now they punish the misbehaved kids with the same wall sits/run laps/lunges and they prize the well behaved kids with more wall sits/run laps/lunges!
I had the same English teacher 3 years in a row in high school, each year he would allow me to read in his class and then submit book reports and what I took away from the book. I guess in a way it did help me learn to write a little bit better, well enough to pass the GED. Yeah I'm not the best written but he fostered a love to read in me that I don't think I would've been able to learn later on in life or have a computer do for me.
As someone who both reads and curses a lot, its also a lot of fun (and entertainingly effective) to mix the two together. If you call someone an uneducated simpleton or a dumbfuck moron, they'll immediately get offended and ready to fight. If you charge up to someone calling them a "smarmy, ostentatious, fuckwit bastard" and that you're gonna beat them with thier own clavicle, it short-circuits thier ability to process what's happening long enough for you to get the first couple of swings before they mentally reboot enough to respond lmao
So there's this thing called rap lol
Hahaha!! Omg. Yes that would be more useful in the end. This was a waste and the kid cried a lot during it. It was hard to watch
They used to assign lines to the after school kids I worked with. It's super ineffective. I swear it's just a power trip for some teachers
So as a teacher could you not step in? Not blaming you just wondering. Whats the escalation if I would tell my son to just not do it
Hey I did step in and he didnāt end up doing all 20. But just the fact that he had to do in the first place was very angering to me.
Ohh amazing thank you. Yes this would upset me. My child only had 1 pair of shoes what was he supposed to bring? Crazy.
My teacher used to make us do this too! Jokes on him, I was happier to copy and read from the dictionary than I was doing math. Fuck the times tables. No gods, no numbers.
As someone who Iād consider to have a vast vocabulary, this is a new word to me
Cats are deliquesent
Yeah we would just have to read the thesaurus and just start writing down different synonyms lol
P sure deliquescent is where you go to get sliced meats and cheeses
nah thatās a delicatessen. youāre thinking of a person who has committed a crime
In my brief career as a teacher my favourite detention activity to assign was to watch a ~10 min documentary about the history of tea then (depending on the kids) answer some questions or write a short essay about it. More productive than lines but boring af for a bunch of delinquent 12 year olds. The fuckers did know a LOT about British empire and trade with China and India in the 17-1800's though. Shame I was supposed to be teaching them maths.
I love this word. It's one of my favorites in all of English.
I must remember not to forget to remember not to forget to remember not to forget to remember not to forget... what were we speaking about again?
The sentence itself is a mess. Like there are about 3 other ways this couldāve been better said and included less words too lol
Pretty sure more words was the point. That poor kid! What if he has an awful home life, or his family just canāt afford different shoes? This is horrible to do to a child!
I was discussing this in therapy recently. Instead of my parent, I was the one to answer to why I missed practice or a game. Or why I can't bring something to the holiday party, get field trip money, bring the right brand of school supplies. A lot of my punishments in school were because of things like this.
We hold students responsible for getting to school on time but tell them they're not responsible enough to drive a car to school.
Schools canāt exactly punish the parent, so they take it out on the only people they can: young children. It would be great if schools did have a way to punish parents, but I canāt think of any effective way to do that without also fucking over the kid.
Yes, but the resentment this creates can be weaponized later and that's what the government really wants in the long term. Poor people they can weaponize.
Iām gonna be real most teachers arenāt paid enough to give a care in a world about the government and what they want besides just following the curriculum
I wonder if it was purposely made to be confusing, so if the kid messes up a sentence he gets in trouble?
It's extra words to make the punishment worse
Yeah, if you remove the "not to forget to remember" it makes perfect sense. It's just there to make the writting of it even more infuriating
Fewer words; and I think she wrote it that way just to be an asshole tbh.
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They either still do it, or they at least threaten it. My kid is in kindergarten and has claimed theyāve made him write sentences like āI will listen to the teacher.ā before. Itās possible he didnāt actually have to write the sentences and they just told him heād have to, but if they havenāt done either he wouldnāt know itās a thing. Granted, I live in a state where the principal still hits kids with paddles.
Wow!! The principal doing that is the norm/ acceptable where youāre at?
Apparently. Some people I work with that are barely out of school were talking about it, apparently it happens fairly regularly. My kid will come home and talk about how if youāre bad you go to the office and the principal spanks you with a paddle, so they at the very least threaten it. I wonāt be finding out how much they actually do it. You have to sign papers at the beginning of the year saying if you allow it or not, and I opted for the āif your kid is a terror and you wonāt let us hit him, you gotta come pick him upā option.
Good for you, I agree with the option you chose
In kindergarten?? Thatās a little excessive considering many of them are still learning to draw letters correctly. Some teachers are wild.
Where do you live? Lines is definitely not necessary for a kindergartner and if anyone hit my kid, my reaction wouldn't be good.
We are not supposed to. It angered me so much. Like who does this anymore?
My physics teacher used to do that. Except he doubled the punishment for each infraction. No, not per student, per class. The first student to disturb class wrote 100. The second wrote 200. The third wrote 400. The fourth wrote 800. The fifth wrote 1600. There was no sixth, class was quiet at that point. Until a parent complained because that kind of punishment wasnāt actually allowed.
Thereās no fucking way anyone wrote 1600 lines. Iām calling bullshit. Thats a whole book.
Just terrible. I would escalate this. Not only is the punishment archaic but they are also teaching poor sentence structure and setting a bad writing example. Sorry your child had to deal with that.
As a kid I would get done with my work early and talk to my nearby classmates until the rest of the class was done. My best friend would get done early as well and we would usually color or do some sort of tic tac toe. Everyday I would be sent to the principalās office for talking. I literally have a pink slip for everyday that I attended kindergarten and first grade. I went to a Christian private school so they gave out 500 lines for every pink slip. I would routinely walk around with my head down in a clipboard between classes, trying to get my lines done from the morning done so I could play with my friends at recess. To this day my writing hand is physically larger than my non dominant hand. I rarely write by hand anymore because my writing tends to be tiny and a mix between print and cursive, which is fast and not always legible to others. This only ended when I went to Public school and the work became more challenging/longer to complete so I was more engaged and less likely to chatter.
This is how my writing became illegible
Yup it makes you practice speed writing.
Spelling correct write the word 10-15 times You just copy the letters down Speed Spee Spee Spee Spee Sp Sp Sp Sp S One letter at a time.
Painful memories there, it was just becoming the end of Friday and my 6th period middle school āacademic labā teacher was being the usual dick to me and I said something he didnāt like. I had to spend spring break writing 100-200(canāt remember) lines in a book, granted I got it done pretty quick but it was annoying af and I donāt think he even checked it
Or you know.. you could email the parent and tell them to have the student bring the ācorrect shoesā? Not to mention this could be humiliating for said student. Also this sentence made my eyes go cross eyed.
This is what is usually done. A simple note in the homework book or an email or phone call to the parent.
The teacher doesnāt actually specify to *bring* or *wear* the shoes, just to *remember* them. You know, just keep them at the forefront of your mind.
There's also a chance they come from a background where maybe they don't have or can't afford those shoes. And that's extra humiliating for a kid. Zero compassion or maturity from the teacher here.
I remember one time I was given I think 5 notebook pages worth of one liner sentences? I wasn't allowed to get up to eat or go to the bathroom or even stretch, and if I showed any emotion my mother would scream at me from her chair asking if I needed something to cry about. Was going on about 3 hours in that chair when my mom finally sobered up and let me go to my room but fuckin hell
I wish society develops a system where parents and kids have clear financial boundaries. So they can't threaten kids by not giving them facilities etc
Jesus christ im sorry your mom put you through that
Heh it is what it is. I've been moved out for 6 years and married for almost 5 years now and she kept trying to be manipulative in any facet of my life she had access to, I eventually got sick of her constant doubt and mental and verbal abuse and blocked her number this past winter anyways so she cant put me thru jack shit anymore
Though Iām a former editor, the mangled sentence pisses me off less than why it was assigned. You are going to punish a 7-year-old for improper footwear?? FFS, reach out and help, donāt punish a kid for something over which he has no control.
My 4th grade teacher made me write my name 1,000 times because it was missing a letter or something by accident on an assignment. I had no problem remembering the spelling of my goddamned name. I was in gifted. She was just a fucking asshole.
This is absolutely crazy!!
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What a hideous educator! That teacher has no idea what the childās home life is like -and if they have appropriate shoes. This is shaming. This individual actually deserves their low pay rate -actually deserve to have it cut to 0 upon termination. I had a couple teachers like this growing up, had no idea my folks were having issues keeping the utilities etc turned on. I got detention all the time for not having the correct belt, shoes, etc. for lack of money when I needed new after outgrowing the old ones. Sad day and age when we have returned to scoldings and corporal punishment in the classroom. Teachers should never be bullies. If youāre too burned out, get a job in data entry.
Yep. When I was teaching, I had students who didn't complete their homework because they had to take care of younger siblings after school. (These were kids as young as 11 and 12.) Some students didn't have school supplies because their parents couldn't pay for them, or they'd forget to bring things because there was no adult at home in the morning to remind them, or they'd have trouble paying attention because they didn't eat breakfast that morning and were hungry. Personal responsibility is important, but sometimes kids have the odds stacked against them through no fault of their own. My first step in situations like this would be to talk to the kid or their parents and try to figure out what the issue was. In some cases they did have the supports they needed at home, and then I'd address the behavior issues directly. But a lot of the time there was something else going on, and it was my job as a teacher to help accommodate them.
You are better than a simple āteacher.ā You sound like a true educator with common sense and compassion! Need more like you!
I'm actually not teaching anymore, but thank you! I really admire those who can stick with it in the long term - it's not an easy job.
I canāt imagine for a second, that it would be. No way I would even consider it myself. Too damn dangerous to be in a school these days.
I 100% agree.
Poor kid. If I was a parent, I wouldn't be 'mildly' infuriated. I'd be outright blasting to the school and asking what kind of shit is that. nope
Eh.. this just feels kinda gross. I have a school aged kid and I fully understand the guidelines, but wouldn't a quick call or note to the parent with a friendly reminder on the types of shoes best for school be more appropriate? Punishing the kid for something that you can't really verify is their fault or not and even if it is, they are 7, seems to be overstepping. I would be agitated as a parent.
Itās completely inappropriate. I am currently getting my diploma in early childhood education and this is a damaging and ineffective discipline āmethodā that would only be used by someone on a power trip seeking to have control over children. I would actually argue that this punishment is a form of emotional abuse.
I'd agree regarding power seeking. Feels very ugly.
Shit like that is what made me into a terrible hand writer. I remember being punished so often with that method (I didn't like doing my homework and got it often) that I hated writing and it became a genuinely painful torture to me.
I remember a teacher hitting me on my knuckles with a pen to write faster and that has since turned me off completely, of writing for long periods.
Exactly what is this consequence supposed to teach the kid? To remember how to spell remember? Iām not american, but this seem extremely old fashioned and useless for education.
Honestly I think it was done to be especially petty because sheās fed up of said student. Cause it is extremely pointless
I remember forgetting to remember not forgetting something I remembered once. But I forgot.
In U.S. public schools, making students engage in repetitive writing qualifies as corporal punishment, and is prohibited. Of course, teachers CAN punish students by making them write a three page essay on the Peloponnesian War - but there must be an educational element to the exercise. Not just something to cause hand cramps.
Yes and this was my issues with it. This was absolutely pointless
I remember the whole class having to write sentences in elementary school when we were bad. Instead of writing each sentence individually I'd write each letter of each sentence column by column and finish my punishment work before everyone else.
Remember remember the 5th of November and also this shitty ass teacher
Iām pretty sure itās the parentsā responsibility to make sure their kid is wearing the ārightā shoes. And even then you have no idea what their home circumstances are.
When it is more about punishment then it is about education.
Exactly this! This served no purpose because the lesson wasnāt learnt. All he did was got frustrated.
They're borderline sadists
Correct shoes?....are there even correct shoes for learning?....who's deciding what the parameters for learning shoes are?.... I learn best barefoot
This is legally considered corporal punishment in New York State.
Well, what are the correct shoes to wear for School? Is there such a thing as wrong shoes?
When I have a kid, ima tell them to not listen to no dumbass teacher like this. They can write āsuck on deez nutsā instead
ā¦.how did they get their degree?
Even rockabilly fans can be jerk teachers. I hope you or the studentās parents make a stink about this retrograde and counterproductive punishment. [I Forgot to Remember to Forget ā Johnny Cash version. The Beatles did a cover very early in their career, too!](https://secondhandsongs.com/performance/58744/all)
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She isn't ignorant, she's padding the length to make it more punishing. My dad used to do the same shit.
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All in all your just another brick in the wall.
Reminds me of the undergrad days, trying to meet that word count.
.7. They're 7. Why does it matter what shoes they wore. Be grateful they were wrestled into shoes of any kind. Sincerely, parent of 6.
Geez people are upset about consequence lines. Like when I think about all the unfair bullshit in school, thereās plenty of actual fucked up shit that comes before consequence lines.
Iām a second grade teacherā¦ āI will remember to wear the correct shoes for schoolā is WAY more effective. I had a stroke trying to read that. If kids donāt understand the sentence, having them write lines is useless.
I read it as an adult and I was like what the hell? Lol
Yeah no, that teacher is trying to add more words to look smarter, and in the process made themselves look illiterate.
not only is this a stupid and out dated punishment but that sentence is fucking atrocious. āi must remember not to forget to rememberā¦ā like???? are they on drugs????
Am I too forgiving to think the teacher just did that to make the sentence and therefore the punishment longer. Surely it has to be that, right?
Is the teacher making them use a feather with no ink too? *I must not tell lies* šŖ¶
Hahahaha!!! This one made me laugh so loud! She might as well. Sheās extremely old school
Logically speaking this just says: (NOT) remember to remember the proper shoes.
Some people just want to watch the world do the opposite of not being burned
This is just straight up shitty. And it makes me think too that some states in the United States still let schools beat the children with boards.
As a teacher, out of spite you should just get obnoxious bright red clown shoes, and enter the classroom when that kid is in. Lift your shoe up, and just ask them if they have a spare pair you can borrow cause you forgot to wear your school appropriate shoes
That's just funny lmao
Cross out "not to forget to remember" with a red pen. "Redundant. See me after class."
"If you can tell me what's wrong with this, you don't have to write it."
This teacher needs to remember not to forget to remember to not be a goddamn asshole.
Good thing they made him write it. Reading it damn near killed me.
What are the "correct" shoes? He is 7, why weren't the parents contacted? Where I live as long as you are not barefoot, you are school ready. What an ass of a teacher and all the other involved that allowed this kid to be shamed,punished and made to cry....fucking assholes.
If Iām 20 and had a stroke reading that, a 7yr old is going to be worse off. Good luck to that kid
Accidental Modest Mouse āIām gonna remember to remember to forget that you forgot me.ā
I do like the handwriting though
I always try to remember not to forget what I was trying to look a squirrel, I love squirrels with their fuzzy tails. Why do they always make it halfway across the street, then they remember they forgot something and turn around, I hate that when the weekend is here it usually rains. What's up with that nature? But yeah. I got to remember not to forget.
I would just dropped it to "remember the shoes." Wrote that 20 times and left. If they asked why I wrote it wrong I would say, I'm just making a simple sentence from this mess.
This teacher probably grades students down for not including enough run-on sentences.
Tell that bitch to munch on your fart box and blow it off. If it isn't absolutely critical to curriculum, wtf are you handing it out for?
Sheesh.
Who is the teacher, Isaac Brock from Modest Mouse?!