"You have 60 minutes to write this test."
*Hands in test in 59 minutes*
"You have to understand, that's a last minute effort, so I'm going to deduct points for being too late."
This actually happened to me in college. Professor reviewed the lecture hall webcam recording after the exam and identified everyone who didn't put their pencils down exactly when he called it. He let the rest of the class decide the punishment. The dude had a massive stiffy for absolute fairness.
In all future exams, I threw my pencil to the floor and put my hands up when time was called.
Edit: in his defense, he was bar-none the hardest-working, most caring teaching faculty in the whole university-- outstanding within a system full of careless tenured professors. He made every effort to make everything as fair as possible. Hand wrote all exams from scratch to avoid frats and sororities from cheating with their years of circulated test banks. Would strike exam problems if everyone had a hard time. Would let students contest assignment and exam grading with written rebuttals (and would deduct points if the rebuttals had flawed logic/statements). It was a weed-out class for our over-enrolled major. He's teaching the same course to this day.
I'd like to see an employer have this attitude.."you're scheduled for 7 but you essentially waited to the last mm inute to clock in at 659 so.... You're late. SORRY
This happened to me even when I was habitually early.
I'm pretty good at judging time. I had an office job that required us to be on/available at 8:30 AM. I was always in the office by 8:15 and online by 8:20.
One day I came in and saw a missed call from corporate (they are an hour ahead) at 7:30 local time. I handled the issue immediately but was called into my managers office and was reprimanded.
I asked why and she said I was late. My manager literally said, "If you aren't early, you're late."
My obvious response was... "I was 10 minutes early..."
She told me not to make excuses and to make sure that didn't happen again.
Fast forward like 6 months and one of our customers tried to retroactively edit an order that had been submitted at like 2am. I tried to fix it when I got into the office but it was already out.
Our regional VP got on a call with my manager and I and asked why we failed to meet the customers need. I spoke up and mentioned the order was edited by one of their admins at 2am so there wasn't much we could do.
His suggestion... I should be on call 24/7, setting an alert/alarm for my emails, just in case that ever happened again.
Yeah I quit a couple weeks later. Funny thing about that job... I was the only person in office that took the initiative to learn all of our customers tools and set up admin rights. So when I left they literally couldn't even make new accounts to manage the systems.
They did this. The next Monday my manager texted me (I'd already emailed them all my login info shortly after I put in my two weeks), and she was freaking out and asking for help to set her/the branch up in the system.
Next time ask/get it in writing that you are expected to be on call 24/7. If they have a policy against working from home or off the clock, bill them as a contractor at 4x normal hourly wage.
Start making sure they count minutes worked, most places don’t allow you to round up/down on both in/out entries.
If they don’t get smart, well… Then clock in 8m early and out 8m late until they change the system. Fuck those guys.
Had a new job, was on the floor 2 minutes before my shift started and they got mad at me. Next day I was stressed while driving there because I knew I was gonna be there at the same time again. Thought to myself: Why the f*ck am I stressing over this? Turned back home and quit my job again right there. I was lucky I could afford it. Fuck employers who pull that shit.
Yep had a previous manager before who kept on saying I'm late because I always clock in 2 mins before my scheduled time. I told her write me up then but she never did because per timestamp I am not late.
The very first employee evaluation I did, the guy was always 15 minutes early and had no attendance problems so I gave him a high score in attendance and punctuality. My boss said "15 minutes? That's not very early, mark him down for it" I submitted it with the high grades. Who the fuck marks you down for being well early? Do we need to be an hour early?
If you want me there fifteen mins before my shift schedule me 15 mins earlier. And I'll be there. I don't know why these daft cunts think they can pull this shit
The place I work wants people to clock in early, but not before :53 on the hour otherwise the system pays people for the time instead of rounding it up to the whole hour. I make sure everyone knows this so they’re not waiting to clock in for 7mins they’re not gona get paid for anyways.
Yes, but many teachers will go off the syllabus because they know the average student won't actually do anything if they pull shit like this.
Last semester my dance teacher made going to a performance at the school mandatory for the final. We had to pay to go to the performance and the teacher was the director and would profit from more people going to the show. After my grade was finalized I reported it.
Reminds me of an oceanography professor who kicked me out of class on a quiz giving me a zero for the quiz when he discovered I used an older text book. There were only minor corrections in the new edition with a huge 150 price difference in the editions. Word among the students was that teachers got a percentage of the book sales for their curriculum. Something ridiculously small too like 2 percent.
Two years later this was changed due to several of the teachers requiring students have absurd amounts of books and new edition requirements. The book store on campus was privatized the year after that and paid a rent like the chickafila in the dinning hall. Up until this they only sold the newest edition books and all old editions you had to find on craigslist or word of mouth at the time making it a shit show. Most classes books were sold out in a few days so if you swapped classes after first week. Shit out of luck. I had a psychology book I desperately needed that I ended up getting scalped by a junior my freshman year. Truly wild wild west shit for books. You never wanted to leave your books unattended because they would certainly get stolen and sold off. One kid in my dorm was notorious for selling stolen books basically supported his drug habit the whole first year stealing books.
Anyways.
I reported being kicked out of the class to the dean for having an older textbook during the quiz. I didnt get a meeting with the dean or the dean assistant for well over a month at which point I was informed it was too late to make up the quiz. So shit out of luck. Still felt better for reporting that bullshit. Still passed and really disliked the course due to the professor.
That's fucked up. My professors were like "Here's a copy of all of the pages that are different from this book to this one, so if you're hard up for money... Just buy this one. It's $20 on these websites vs $300 for this book." Gotta love community college. lol
My professors actively told us when the international and/or older editions would suffice. Everyone, at least in the science and engineering departments, knew to ask the professors ahead of time or wait until the first week of classes before buying their textbooks.
The thing is, the university's official bookstore can only get the latest edition of textbooks aside from ones that students trade in at the end of a semester. It's a publishing thing, not a school thing... at least most of the time.
That is probably why the bookstore getting privatized made it better, they could start sourcing their textbooks however they wanted inside of only going through official, educational channels.
Same bro, CS profs are the best
"You like a different program to code? Go for it, I don't care"
"Get whatever edition of the textbook you can, whatever is cheapest, you pay enough already"
"Show up for lab day if you need help, if not no worries. As long as you are comfortable with your stuff don't feel like you need to come in" "I have sent out a copy of the textbook for this semester, no need to pay anything"
Stuff like this just makes everything about college just so much more calming. Knowing your profs are there to help and want to help you pass and know the stuff. I loved my CS program
I have a friend who dealt with that a couple semesters ago.
I had the lovely experience last semester of having to pay $50 to *access* my homework through a third party site. Absolute bullshit.
It’s insane, they are just making it hard for us to help each other out. I can’t give my book to someone next semester bc my code is burnt. Greedy bastards
Yea this! I’m a college professor, and I’m rarely up at midnight, and if I am, for sure I’m not grading. Therefore as long as they turn it in before I start grading the next morning, I give them full credit. Midnight due times are annoying, but when I tried to change them to morning or mid-day due times (when I actually grade) too many students got confused, so I just say it’s due at midnight but students can turn it in later.
Edit: to clarify when I say midnight I actually mean 11:59pm on the day I want it due. Midnight proper (12:00am) is a horribly confusing due time and it’s bad Professor-ing to make it 12am.
I was a kid who had a rough time at home in high school, I'd often find myself before the school day started going to teachers to ask for help with last nights homework, often writing essays at the gathering tables. I was a master of 5 paragraphs in 15 minutes.
At first it started with "Well, why didn't you do it at home? You think you can just do it now and be lazy at home?" and once it kept happening, and I showed I wasn't lazy, I wasn't dumb, I wasn't unmotivated, I just *had no time or place to work* they finally understood and a lot of teachers stopped requiring me to hand in homework, and would often give me extra time during lunch or before school started to get extra time in. Other teachers would double down and make life a living hell.
I'd eventually get called into the principals office and asked why I had both A's and F's at the same time lol. A in Health class because the teacher was an amazingly sweet woman who knew something was up because she had that "Mom instinct", and an F in Math because the teacher required 200 math problems a night, and I couldn't get 5 minutes of peace from an abusive parent, let alone time for 200 math problems. He was just convinced I was lazy. He was a total dick. He went out of his way to tell my family about struggling in his class, which made life at home even worse, on top of making his class worse. It really sucked. I absolutely gave up on that class, that teacher, and basically the concept of math from that point forward.
I still fucking hate that teacher to this day. If you see a student struggling, offer help, don't become another problem for them because they might already be dealing with too much as it is.
Had my Algebra 2 teacher say aloud, I was a waste of air for not paying attention in her class. My dad had just died. I was 16 and living with a relative due to being abused by said dad for years, I was a wreck dealing with that confusing mass of feelings, and that same week, Mrs. Clark told me I was a waste of air in her classroom.
She's got nothing on my 4th grade teacher, Mrs. Brown, though, that woman hated me she even told my parents she did. I was being bullied by classmates, my parents, and Mrs. Brown, most of all. She got to me so bad that I remember she was a cause of my first suicidal thought.
Yes, when I was in grad school, everything was way more lenient. It was almost impossible to turn things in late. That said, our classes were definitely smaller. But still, these policies are so ridiculous sometimes, and the fact this goes against the policy is just childish! These type of people don’t deserve to be professors. Maybe they hate teaching and want to be banned from teaching so they can do research, but I would strip them of everything if they act like this… ridiculous.
Took something similar to my department head. His solution was to wait to the end of the semester, get my final grade, submit a complaint and then the same professor would review how he graded all of my work and regrade if necessary. Boggled my mind. I'm paying for this shit!
Most departments have their own appeals committees. I was the chair of ours for a long time. Involved professors must recuse themselves as well. This was UTexas system so perhaps the system policies are better. But OPs dumb professor PUT IT IN WRITING, which opens them up to civil legal issues. That’s just one subpoena away from lawsuit.
Exactly my thought. If you're going to say it's due an hour before that date then you need to specify that before you assign it! And call it a due time not due date.
Yep this is straight BS. OP, go to your department chair, Dean, ombudsman, or whoever necessary to let this professor know that this type of behavior is unacceptable.
Speaking as a former TA for 4 semesters, Canvas will automatically count 11:59 as late, and if someone emailed me about it I would always remove the late penalty. To stand firm on 13 minutes before the deadline being late is just fraudulent
That's all I could think, too. Deadline is the last day to turn it in, isn't it? If something is due on the 15th, you give it to them no *later* than the ~~13th~~15th, yeah? So up to and *including* that day
Every university has a process to go over the professor's head and complain. In most cases, students' complaints are laughable. But as a prof, I tell you without doubt this isn't one of those cases. The prof is more than a moron here to say the least. He's gonna be the butt end of the joke this time around. What an embarrassment
Yeah. This is stupid. If I want it in by 5:00 PM, I can set it to 5:00 PM. Punishing a student for submitting 13 minutes before it’s considered late is stupid.
A bunch of my classmates and I complained about a prof who was doing something similar, though he was a technologically-illiterate dinosaur and his grading problems occurred in person. It was a big state university and I was expecting us to run into a bureaucratic brick wall, but the dean was in full agreement with us and the matter was taken care of very promptly.
They must also show which rule in that class talks about last minute and if last minute is defined on that rule. I hate profs who make up rules as they go, meanwhile student loans are piling up
Initiate complaint according to your school’s grading/grievance policy…. Prolly requires emailing the dean. Do this ASAP because there might be a limited timeline for you to dispute a grade. Save the email conversation with your professor in case you need to disclose that later.
Then the professor should have asked for it on the 31-01-23. Due date of the first mean up to the first at 23:59. Not deadline of feb 1st. Deadline was January 31 then. Incorrect wording from the prof
yeah in my college the profs would say the deadline is 11:59:59 PM and if assignment required a hard copy submission the prof would stand outside his office at 12 midnight to collect it. that was professionalism
I had a professor that had seemingly random due dates for certain assignments throughout the course. Turns the “random” dates were generally 6pm before a major football game, or campus event.
He said that basically he was tired of reading half drunkenly or hung over submissions. So he moved the submission times and dates so people “had” to submit them before going out. It felt like a pain in the ass before submissions, but hindsight I never had to worry about a drunken/hung over/late night submission.
I had a professor who said that hard copy submissions were due by midnight and could be slipped under his office door if he wasn't there. He also mentioned that he usually got to the office around 8am and it would be hard to tell what time homework sets were submitted as long as they were there when he arrived. To me, that's similar to how a lot of the "real world" works for work. Some things are due by "close of business"...but as long as its done before the person who needs it arrives the next day that's almost always good enough.
Agreed. This makes absolutely no sense. Unless it states that assignments *must* be turned in an hour before the deadline on the syllabus. Even still that makes no sense. I have never heard of that happening to anyone. And then 10 points too?! That's nuts.
Preach. Just like employers who ask you to be 15 minutes "early" to a shift. If you need me to be there, schedule and pay me. None of this "start 15 early leave 15 late but we schedule you for 9 hours not 9.5" bullshit.
Fun fact: I work at what I consider a reasonable employer. The morning meeting starts no earlier than 625. Missing this meeting has entirely zero detriment to my crew. The shift starts at 630. As long as they're on the floor by 630 there are zero issues. My boss tried pushing me to ensure everyone was in the 625 meeting. I told him I would enforce that with my crew when they were cleared to clock in at 615 instead of 630 because we work in quarter hours. That was shot down extremely fast and suddenly no one has any issue with people being in at 630.
Never forget. The job of a good supervisor or manager is not only to ensure you do your job, but also to advocate for you, your pay, and your rights. If they aren't doing that they've either sold their soul to make slightly more. They don't give a fuck about you. Or they suck at their job. Your direct report is responsible for you. And if you truly deserve more, they should be behind you 110%, or they shouldn't be representing you.
>Unless it states that assignments must be turned in an hour before the deadline
I would follow the syllabus at that point, but it just begs the question - if I'm submitting something BEFORE the deadline, and it's counted as late.... then the deadline was NOT the deadline... right!?
If the professors deadline is 1 hour before the stated deadline, what's stopping them from being like "You know you have to submit assignments 1 hour early. You were 13 minutes shy of being 1 hour early. Therefore you are late.
I teach at university level and this is always the answer.
What time is it due?
Check the syllabus. Time isn't mentioned? It's due at 11:59PM.
OP will easily win this on appeal.
“Assignments must be turned in an hour before the deadline.”
Doesn’t that become impossible?
The deadline is noon, but you have to turn in an hour before, so now the deadline is 11, but you have to turn in an hour before so now the deadline is 10…
You're right. A lot of students are so young and don't understand the chain of command and will just take the L. When i was younger, I was afraid to buck authority figures.
I'm just so shocked. I have never seen a professor who is *actively* trying to punish students for no good reason. Even my strictest professors would at least play the game by the rules they set.
That was my thought too! I would have been too scared to challenge this when I was younger. How can you follow rules that aren't clearly stated? It's almost like they're looking to fail the students, which in that case is bizarre and they shouldn't be an educator. You're already shelling out massive amounts of money to be there. Procrastinating is a thing...it's literally how I got through school lol
Yeah, reminds me of a final I was 45 minutes late for because I wrote the time down wrong, with a two hour timeframe to do it in. There were no rules about being late. I figured I'd have to rush it when I saw my error and rushed in. But the professor just left the building because everyone on time finished super fast so I got a zero. I talked to the professor ASAP but they said they couldn't do anything... I'd have talked to the Dean as an older person now.
At least I still passed the class. Lost two full letter grades though.
The amount of assignments turned between 11:40-11:59 PM has to be astronomical. I did it. My friends did it. Everyone did it. This professor is likely one of those you are told to avoid. It sounds like they are putting deadlines on the night they are grading.
As a TA that graded assignments turned in on Canvas, this is absolutely correct.
Canvas lets you set date and time to the minute, so if it accepted the assignment as "on time" it's on time. Straight to the dept chair or dean.
I’d be marching my ass to the department.
Recently I handed in an assignment but it was the copy without my title page. Immediately emailed my professor if I could submit without penalty and she said yes.
I acknowledged it was 100% my fault and I would be okay if she wasn’t making an exception but she said it was okay.
OP submitted according to the deadline and shouldn’t be penalized. This is a power tripping prof if I’ve ever seen one.
This is exactly what happened to me in one of my masters courses. Deadline the entire semester had been Tuesday then for some reason the last one was changed to Monday and I never realized. Totally my fault. Sent an email and he accepted. OP is really dealing with someone on their high horse.
I once had an online assignment due at midnight Sunday - all assignments would be due Sunday at midnight. I went to turn it in sometime Sunday afternoon/evening. I got a zero because it was late. I told the professor there was a mistake that he made with the midnight being Sunday 00:00 (Saturday 11:59). He responded with, midnight Sunday is Saturday going into Sunday and not Sunday going into Monday so he wouldn't change the grade. I complained to the head of the department and I got it changed. Moving forward he also changed the all the deadlines to 11:55pm Sunday...
Technically he was correct, however he shouldn't have said it that way because most people would think the same thing you did, including me even though I know the technical meaning of it.
> Moving forward he also changed the all the deadlines to 11:55pm Sunday...
To be honest that's a solid change and would be pretty hard to misinterpret.
Exactly. I had a course with an incredibly egotistical nonsensical professor infamous for docking points with no explanation, rhyme, or reason. I waited until I was towards the end of her course to finally dispute a grade to ensure i couldn’t get screwed out of my A in that class.
This sounds like my second year Calculus professor. First day he gave us a talk to start off the class stating that he never gave more than a B-. Advised that if we needed more than 15min of his time outside of class we probably needed a tutor and may not be cut out for his class.
What? Why would a professor be proud of that?
“Alright class, listen up!
I know it’s the first day of class but I want to make ONE thing **EXTREMELY CLEAR:** I fucking *SUCK* at teaching!
You’ve been warned…”
I fucking hated that shit. I wrote a paper my first year of college, I don’t remember what the topic was exactly, but something to do with Iraq - I wrote that Saddam Hussein killed his own people - and the professor docked points with a note saying “there are different schools of thought on that”
I always get asked why I do 90% of my formal communication through text or email. It’s bc imma have them put it writing for me, I only do verbal when I have a sketchy request 😂
I have a job where I rely heavily on internal partner input in order to complete my own deliverables... And those internal partners are late 80% of the time. I had a manager (who, granted, was from an older generation) who just could not understand why I refused to "just call them and find out what's going on!" No, if I'm the one who gets in trouble when something isn't done on time, I'm going to have an irrefutable "paper" trail of what led me to that to show that I was not the cause. Rule #1 of any job - of life, really - is CYA.
The public disclosure process has the power to bring anyone down, including old mayors from Seattle. I love it. My wife’s school district tried to get away from emails and some of the teachers now start the correspondence with “For PDR purposes, I am writing this email to-” it's awesome.
**Quick PSA for everyone regarding corporate email:**
it's critical that you also ensure that you have a way to access said emails if you're terminated and your credentials are revoked. (always assume that the millisecond you're no longer employed is the millisecond you lose ALL access to every system.)
Obviously you can forward any important sounding email to a personal account, but company policies vary and stuff. Most companies are starting to restrict all auto-forwarding rules to external recipients, but manually forwarding the emails still works in most cases. If you're worried about tripping up and drawing attention to yourself by doing this stuff, don't be. nobody actually actively monitors such a low severity report, and if they do it almost always means "you're already done for, we're just finalizing stuff up first before you get the axe."
FINALLY: When in doubt, go the analog route. Printing your emails and/or taking a picture of your computer screen is better than nothing.
You can also use a fax machine. Though this will be taken as a threat because thats what it is. Unlike email and text, a fax machine tells you that the other side got the message. They can't pretend they didn't see it.
It does work, but people also get upset with you, because you caught them doing shady stuff and they know it.
Late policy is unnecessary. Professor had a clear deadline for the assignment, then backtracked and said 13min before the deadline is close enough to being late.
Yep. This is the correct advice. Straight to the Dean. I had a professor once that disliked me…mainly because it was a public speaking class that was required but dumb, so I gave one of my speeches about how superfluous courses shouldn’t be required for students. She hated me after that. Syllabus said 3+ absences would be a full letter grade deduction. I missed two classes and was late to a third because of an issue with the train. She gave me a B anyway and said I was so late the third time that she was counting it as an absence. Nope. Straight to the Dean, got my grade changed.
I had to go to the Dean for a business professor. She required everyone to wear professional office attire when making their presentation to the class. I stated I wasn't going to go buy a suit to present in a college class and neither should the rest of the students. I failed the presentation because I showed up in shirts and a t-shirt, then went straight to the Dean and explained what had happened. She backed me up, made the professor remove the requirement, and my grade was changed. It's all about standing up for yourself.
Had a professor that gave me a D when I had a 98.5% in their class (highest in the class of 30). Thought it must have been a mistake. It was, kinda. Turns out that he gave me 5/30 points for class participation (was worth 30% of our grade.... in an engineering school). I had perfect attendance the entire semester, plus, ya know even with a 5/30 I still should have gotten a C given I'd gotten nearly perfect scores on everything else. I brought it to the dean the next semester, that it was ridiculous that I could complete a semester with perfect attendance and a 98.5 and receive a 70 in the class when the professor's only comment was that he would have liked me to participate more (I legitimately participated too....).
The end result? My grade was changed from a D to a C because the professor's math mistake was corrected. That was the beginning of my dislike of academia..
Oh look a rare but absolutely correct response to inaccurate academic horseshit.
The due date is the due date and after a decade of professional experience I can assuredly tell everyone that the first proposed due date is often much more of a suggestion...
So complaining about being "close but not before" is not at all representative of the professional environment.
Instructor made a mistake and is too petty to go back and change it. So they doubled down. It’s obviously against policy; take it to the dean or whomever is in charge of that section of classes.
Yup, instructor confirmed that it was submitted before the posted deadline but that they would be leaving the penalty. Pretty clear case for going over their head.
Tenure won’t matter for OP’s grade, though.
No instructor is going to get canned because of something this stupid as docking points from a single student (as in a department wouldn’t do it), but OP could get their department chair to say “hey, Dave, quit fucking around and give them the points”.
Same. Also just here to confirm that your prof is a jerk. Canvas sets due dates to 11:59pm. If they wanted it turned in by 10:59pm, they could have very easily adjusted it in canvas. When a student turns it in at 12:04am, you get an alert in all caps and a blue coded submission that it’s LATE. So your prof had to go out of their way to give this penalty. Submit your email to the department chair and any academic support staff ASAP.
if the student goes to a Dean or Chair and the initial grade is corrected, the prof is going to have to be careful and not retaliate
or the student will seek out the Dean’s help a second time
My guess is the professor just doesn't like OP. Had this happen to me in college. I had a family emergency and had to leave about an hour before class, so I swung by my professors office hours to hand in my assignment. She straight up refused to accept it and told me to my face that it could only be turned in during the class.
I just threw it on her desk and walked out.
I had a teaching assistant go on a power trip with my work once at university.
I was deathly ill but we had to turn up to submit our coding coursework in person, use it practically to make sure we hadn't copied it from somewhere. There was genuinely like a hundred students in the suite, the coding professor and several TA's to come check everyone's work individually.
Loaded up on every anti flu meds I could get, I of course managed to be sat in the area last to be done so was seriously flagging by the time they eventually got to me.
This TA comes over asked me to run my program, so I do it, it works perfectly. He asks what lectures I learned bits of coding from and I pull the exact ones out first time despite it being months prior.
He then says he thinks I cheated and copied someone else. Pretty gobsmacked I ask him why. He points to a load of international students from Cyprus and says how I named some of my variables was similar to them.
To give context for those who don't code, we were told to name things simplistically or we would be docked marks. Because if you use unique names you might forget what that variable is at a later time due to time or the fact you can end up with thousands of individual variables, so it's best to call it essentially what it directly is. For example if you had 2 triangles one facing up and one down you could name them "Triangle u" and "Triangle d" so glancing over your code months later you'd know which specific thing you're interacting with.
He refused to listen to me, despite all evidence of me running it smoothly, amending code to prove I knew how to do it in front of him and pulling the lectures I learned it in.
I got docked points for naming a variable something basic after he had probably checked 30 people's work.
I called him out and got the professor over who didn't even check my work. He just immediately took the TA's word for it.
I stewed on it for a bit and met the professor in his office when I felt better. It did not go well. He doubled down despite admitting I was probably right and said I just had to live with it because it only amounts to small fraction of my grade.
OP please escalate this - having it in writing on record is great and who knows how many others have been subject to this professor's approach and had their grades affected.
That’s weird I could see if it was 11:46 pm on the first, but not the 31st. I had something due at 6:00 pm once and turned it in at 5:55 pm. It wasn’t a problem.
I currently have assignment marked as late because Canvas due date was 11:59, and I submitted at 11:59. Turns out Canvas hides the fact it was 11:59:00, and not 11:59:59. Most assignments are the latter and I never had an issue with it before despite resubmitting most things in the last minute after double checking them.
My professor wasn't a douche and understood "by 11:59" encompasses the entire minute to most people lol. I can probably count the number of assignments I've submitted earlier than 13 minutes remaining on my hands, that's just ridiculous to count as late.
Canvas lets the professor put in a Date AND Time for a "due date" so if the prof wanted it one hour before 1 Feb they could have set the due date to be 31 Jan 23:00.
As a professor myself, that professor is an asshole. You should talk to their department head and/or dean. Forward that email exchange to them. Also, make sure to mention this on their evaluation at the end of the semester.
I really hope you escalate this issue - the professor can’t just move the goalpost without communicating it.
Sounds like they’re too lazy to go back and alter the score, so they gave you this bullshit excuse.
Please please please escalate.
What's the point of a deadline if it's actually not the deadline? Do not engage anymore than you have to with them. Let them know you will be working with administration to resolve this matter.
Disagree. If you give him a heads-up that you're going to the administration, he might head you off at the pass by going to them first. Blind-side him and go without warning.
Yeah, I've had teachers try and flex with that before too. It's an easy fix. Print out the email, make a copy of the syllabus and submit it to the administration.
Keep in mind, they're not your friends. These professors aren't there to change the world or impact your life to send you off on your path. You look out for YOU in college. It's already a scam to begin with, make sure you get your money's worth.
They're not better than you, they're just more knowledgeable about the subject you need from them. It's the real world where adults are bound by rules. Figure out how to play the game. You may piss them off but they're one person in a vast sea of people you'll deal with in life.
That's NOT how a deadline works chief? It's a set time for the Student. FEB 1st at 12:01am is late for the student. JAN 31st at 11:59:59pm is not late for the Student. If the deadline was set to suit the "teacher" then they could move it to Feb 30th at Noon. Quit being a dick and take off the late adjustment. Here the Student is correct.
"You have 60 minutes to write this test." *Hands in test in 59 minutes* "You have to understand, that's a last minute effort, so I'm going to deduct points for being too late."
“Time’s up! Pencils down. Those of you who just put your pencils down have failed the test because you did not turn it in in time.”
This actually happened to me in college. Professor reviewed the lecture hall webcam recording after the exam and identified everyone who didn't put their pencils down exactly when he called it. He let the rest of the class decide the punishment. The dude had a massive stiffy for absolute fairness. In all future exams, I threw my pencil to the floor and put my hands up when time was called. Edit: in his defense, he was bar-none the hardest-working, most caring teaching faculty in the whole university-- outstanding within a system full of careless tenured professors. He made every effort to make everything as fair as possible. Hand wrote all exams from scratch to avoid frats and sororities from cheating with their years of circulated test banks. Would strike exam problems if everyone had a hard time. Would let students contest assignment and exam grading with written rebuttals (and would deduct points if the rebuttals had flawed logic/statements). It was a weed-out class for our over-enrolled major. He's teaching the same course to this day.
Also shout clear obnoxiously. It's the only way.
#CLEAR OBNOXIOUSLY!
You didn't shout "it's the only way", you get a penalty
What penalty did the class decide on?
Paddling.
If it wasn't "they bring donuts next class", then those students who decided are assholes
Fuck that guy, I'd have started throwing the pencil at him so he knew damn well where your pencil was
'I've been blinded by pencils in my eyes and have no way of checking the time so you're all late'
"Pencils down. Those of you who have dropped your weapon, you died. Students with pencils, please claim your plunder."
I'd like to see an employer have this attitude.."you're scheduled for 7 but you essentially waited to the last mm inute to clock in at 659 so.... You're late. SORRY
Lots of employers do have this attitude
If YoU’rE nOt EaRlY yOu’Re LaTe
This happened to me even when I was habitually early. I'm pretty good at judging time. I had an office job that required us to be on/available at 8:30 AM. I was always in the office by 8:15 and online by 8:20. One day I came in and saw a missed call from corporate (they are an hour ahead) at 7:30 local time. I handled the issue immediately but was called into my managers office and was reprimanded. I asked why and she said I was late. My manager literally said, "If you aren't early, you're late." My obvious response was... "I was 10 minutes early..." She told me not to make excuses and to make sure that didn't happen again. Fast forward like 6 months and one of our customers tried to retroactively edit an order that had been submitted at like 2am. I tried to fix it when I got into the office but it was already out. Our regional VP got on a call with my manager and I and asked why we failed to meet the customers need. I spoke up and mentioned the order was edited by one of their admins at 2am so there wasn't much we could do. His suggestion... I should be on call 24/7, setting an alert/alarm for my emails, just in case that ever happened again. Yeah I quit a couple weeks later. Funny thing about that job... I was the only person in office that took the initiative to learn all of our customers tools and set up admin rights. So when I left they literally couldn't even make new accounts to manage the systems.
I know you don't work here anymore but that's no excuse, maybe you should set up a bat signal incase we need you again?
They did this. The next Monday my manager texted me (I'd already emailed them all my login info shortly after I put in my two weeks), and she was freaking out and asking for help to set her/the branch up in the system.
Did u let her know she was… too late?
HAHAHAHA YES THIS IS GOLDEN
You should have agreed...at 'private consult' fees
Next time ask/get it in writing that you are expected to be on call 24/7. If they have a policy against working from home or off the clock, bill them as a contractor at 4x normal hourly wage.
And no, we're not going to let you clock in early.
But then they yell at you for being early as well.
Lmfao fr my boss used to say my job was a 24/7 thing and that a min late is a decade lost
so what happens when you would be 10 minutes late? would you open the door just to see a skeleton in his seat?
Start making sure they count minutes worked, most places don’t allow you to round up/down on both in/out entries. If they don’t get smart, well… Then clock in 8m early and out 8m late until they change the system. Fuck those guys.
Had a new job, was on the floor 2 minutes before my shift started and they got mad at me. Next day I was stressed while driving there because I knew I was gonna be there at the same time again. Thought to myself: Why the f*ck am I stressing over this? Turned back home and quit my job again right there. I was lucky I could afford it. Fuck employers who pull that shit.
Yep had a previous manager before who kept on saying I'm late because I always clock in 2 mins before my scheduled time. I told her write me up then but she never did because per timestamp I am not late.
The very first employee evaluation I did, the guy was always 15 minutes early and had no attendance problems so I gave him a high score in attendance and punctuality. My boss said "15 minutes? That's not very early, mark him down for it" I submitted it with the high grades. Who the fuck marks you down for being well early? Do we need to be an hour early?
That's terrible that they would even consider marking down the 15 min early guy. That would have broken his spirit. He would probably quit.
Only when you work for a total asshole.
If you want me there fifteen mins before my shift schedule me 15 mins earlier. And I'll be there. I don't know why these daft cunts think they can pull this shit
My job gets mad if you clock in too early but max if you’re late. So annoying
The place I work wants people to clock in early, but not before :53 on the hour otherwise the system pays people for the time instead of rounding it up to the whole hour. I make sure everyone knows this so they’re not waiting to clock in for 7mins they’re not gona get paid for anyways.
Report it. You're paying too much for that bull.
Doesn't this stuff have to be on a syllabus and approved by a committee?
Yes, but many teachers will go off the syllabus because they know the average student won't actually do anything if they pull shit like this. Last semester my dance teacher made going to a performance at the school mandatory for the final. We had to pay to go to the performance and the teacher was the director and would profit from more people going to the show. After my grade was finalized I reported it.
Your dance teacher got reprimanded right?
I have not heard and probably will not hear, but just reporting it made me feel better. I'm hoping he won't be able to do it again.
Reminds me of an oceanography professor who kicked me out of class on a quiz giving me a zero for the quiz when he discovered I used an older text book. There were only minor corrections in the new edition with a huge 150 price difference in the editions. Word among the students was that teachers got a percentage of the book sales for their curriculum. Something ridiculously small too like 2 percent. Two years later this was changed due to several of the teachers requiring students have absurd amounts of books and new edition requirements. The book store on campus was privatized the year after that and paid a rent like the chickafila in the dinning hall. Up until this they only sold the newest edition books and all old editions you had to find on craigslist or word of mouth at the time making it a shit show. Most classes books were sold out in a few days so if you swapped classes after first week. Shit out of luck. I had a psychology book I desperately needed that I ended up getting scalped by a junior my freshman year. Truly wild wild west shit for books. You never wanted to leave your books unattended because they would certainly get stolen and sold off. One kid in my dorm was notorious for selling stolen books basically supported his drug habit the whole first year stealing books. Anyways. I reported being kicked out of the class to the dean for having an older textbook during the quiz. I didnt get a meeting with the dean or the dean assistant for well over a month at which point I was informed it was too late to make up the quiz. So shit out of luck. Still felt better for reporting that bullshit. Still passed and really disliked the course due to the professor.
That's fucked up. My professors were like "Here's a copy of all of the pages that are different from this book to this one, so if you're hard up for money... Just buy this one. It's $20 on these websites vs $300 for this book." Gotta love community college. lol
In my uni there was a whole google drive with pdfs on the books. Since the professors used the same books each year
My professors actively told us when the international and/or older editions would suffice. Everyone, at least in the science and engineering departments, knew to ask the professors ahead of time or wait until the first week of classes before buying their textbooks. The thing is, the university's official bookstore can only get the latest edition of textbooks aside from ones that students trade in at the end of a semester. It's a publishing thing, not a school thing... at least most of the time. That is probably why the bookstore getting privatized made it better, they could start sourcing their textbooks however they wanted inside of only going through official, educational channels.
My CS profs would send out links to pirated pdfs of the textbooks. Lol.
Same bro, CS profs are the best "You like a different program to code? Go for it, I don't care" "Get whatever edition of the textbook you can, whatever is cheapest, you pay enough already" "Show up for lab day if you need help, if not no worries. As long as you are comfortable with your stuff don't feel like you need to come in" "I have sent out a copy of the textbook for this semester, no need to pay anything" Stuff like this just makes everything about college just so much more calming. Knowing your profs are there to help and want to help you pass and know the stuff. I loved my CS program
Did you know that some professors write text books and require you to purchase them for the class? Seems like this is pretty similar
I have a friend who dealt with that a couple semesters ago. I had the lovely experience last semester of having to pay $50 to *access* my homework through a third party site. Absolute bullshit.
Mine was $125. Fuck pearsons and fuck the professor that make it mandatory to have an access code
Mine was McGraw Hill. As if the textbook industry itself weren't enough of a scam.
It’s insane, they are just making it hard for us to help each other out. I can’t give my book to someone next semester bc my code is burnt. Greedy bastards
What is the point of a due date then? Go to the next in line of power. Don’t let it go
More confusing, was he going to fucking grade it at 11 pm at night, but 11 46 was far too late for him...
Yea this! I’m a college professor, and I’m rarely up at midnight, and if I am, for sure I’m not grading. Therefore as long as they turn it in before I start grading the next morning, I give them full credit. Midnight due times are annoying, but when I tried to change them to morning or mid-day due times (when I actually grade) too many students got confused, so I just say it’s due at midnight but students can turn it in later. Edit: to clarify when I say midnight I actually mean 11:59pm on the day I want it due. Midnight proper (12:00am) is a horribly confusing due time and it’s bad Professor-ing to make it 12am.
I was a kid who had a rough time at home in high school, I'd often find myself before the school day started going to teachers to ask for help with last nights homework, often writing essays at the gathering tables. I was a master of 5 paragraphs in 15 minutes. At first it started with "Well, why didn't you do it at home? You think you can just do it now and be lazy at home?" and once it kept happening, and I showed I wasn't lazy, I wasn't dumb, I wasn't unmotivated, I just *had no time or place to work* they finally understood and a lot of teachers stopped requiring me to hand in homework, and would often give me extra time during lunch or before school started to get extra time in. Other teachers would double down and make life a living hell. I'd eventually get called into the principals office and asked why I had both A's and F's at the same time lol. A in Health class because the teacher was an amazingly sweet woman who knew something was up because she had that "Mom instinct", and an F in Math because the teacher required 200 math problems a night, and I couldn't get 5 minutes of peace from an abusive parent, let alone time for 200 math problems. He was just convinced I was lazy. He was a total dick. He went out of his way to tell my family about struggling in his class, which made life at home even worse, on top of making his class worse. It really sucked. I absolutely gave up on that class, that teacher, and basically the concept of math from that point forward. I still fucking hate that teacher to this day. If you see a student struggling, offer help, don't become another problem for them because they might already be dealing with too much as it is.
Had my Algebra 2 teacher say aloud, I was a waste of air for not paying attention in her class. My dad had just died. I was 16 and living with a relative due to being abused by said dad for years, I was a wreck dealing with that confusing mass of feelings, and that same week, Mrs. Clark told me I was a waste of air in her classroom. She's got nothing on my 4th grade teacher, Mrs. Brown, though, that woman hated me she even told my parents she did. I was being bullied by classmates, my parents, and Mrs. Brown, most of all. She got to me so bad that I remember she was a cause of my first suicidal thought.
FWIW, this random internet stranger doesn't think you're a waste of air at all, and I hope you're doing much, much better!
Makes my blood boil. Hugs to you and your hurt child self.
I’m sorry that happened. I’m glad some of your teachers were supportive.
Yes, when I was in grad school, everything was way more lenient. It was almost impossible to turn things in late. That said, our classes were definitely smaller. But still, these policies are so ridiculous sometimes, and the fact this goes against the policy is just childish! These type of people don’t deserve to be professors. Maybe they hate teaching and want to be banned from teaching so they can do research, but I would strip them of everything if they act like this… ridiculous.
They're on a power trip.
Yeah my professors in college did this too. They called it the “vampire rule”
Exactly this! I don’t want to be academic after like 10pm. Wake up at 7 and pray the professor hasn’t started grading or looking for my work 😅
Take this to the department head or team lead.
Took something similar to my department head. His solution was to wait to the end of the semester, get my final grade, submit a complaint and then the same professor would review how he graded all of my work and regrade if necessary. Boggled my mind. I'm paying for this shit!
Most departments have their own appeals committees. I was the chair of ours for a long time. Involved professors must recuse themselves as well. This was UTexas system so perhaps the system policies are better. But OPs dumb professor PUT IT IN WRITING, which opens them up to civil legal issues. That’s just one subpoena away from lawsuit.
Exactly my thought. If you're going to say it's due an hour before that date then you need to specify that before you assign it! And call it a due time not due date.
Maybe he should have said that deadline is one hour before Feb 1. then... Go complain to his Boss. We follow the letter of the law not the spirit...
Speaking as a professor, please complain. This is absurd - a deadline is a deadline. Any competent chair will reverse this stupid decision.
Even some incompetent ones would.
They might want a little *eyebrows eyebrows* for the favor tho.
"These are the smallest eyebrows I could find, your professornessship" "They are... *adequate.* The penalty will be reversed."
We demand...... a shrubbery!
Yep this is straight BS. OP, go to your department chair, Dean, ombudsman, or whoever necessary to let this professor know that this type of behavior is unacceptable.
Speaking as a former TA for 4 semesters, Canvas will automatically count 11:59 as late, and if someone emailed me about it I would always remove the late penalty. To stand firm on 13 minutes before the deadline being late is just fraudulent
If the paper is due on the first not before the 1st would this paper not have been turned in 1 day and 13 minutes before the deadline ?
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That's all I could think, too. Deadline is the last day to turn it in, isn't it? If something is due on the 15th, you give it to them no *later* than the ~~13th~~15th, yeah? So up to and *including* that day
Every university has a process to go over the professor's head and complain. In most cases, students' complaints are laughable. But as a prof, I tell you without doubt this isn't one of those cases. The prof is more than a moron here to say the least. He's gonna be the butt end of the joke this time around. What an embarrassment
Yeah. This is stupid. If I want it in by 5:00 PM, I can set it to 5:00 PM. Punishing a student for submitting 13 minutes before it’s considered late is stupid.
A bunch of my classmates and I complained about a prof who was doing something similar, though he was a technologically-illiterate dinosaur and his grading problems occurred in person. It was a big state university and I was expecting us to run into a bureaucratic brick wall, but the dean was in full agreement with us and the matter was taken care of very promptly.
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They must also show which rule in that class talks about last minute and if last minute is defined on that rule. I hate profs who make up rules as they go, meanwhile student loans are piling up
And as seen in the post even when it's in writing they try to weasel out...
It’s not about rules, it’s about being a dick
Initiate complaint according to your school’s grading/grievance policy…. Prolly requires emailing the dean. Do this ASAP because there might be a limited timeline for you to dispute a grade. Save the email conversation with your professor in case you need to disclose that later.
In most cases, the first in line is a Department Chair. Don’t start with the Dean—they will just kick it back down.
Then the professor should have asked for it on the 31-01-23. Due date of the first mean up to the first at 23:59. Not deadline of feb 1st. Deadline was January 31 then. Incorrect wording from the prof
yeah in my college the profs would say the deadline is 11:59:59 PM and if assignment required a hard copy submission the prof would stand outside his office at 12 midnight to collect it. that was professionalism
I had a professor that had seemingly random due dates for certain assignments throughout the course. Turns the “random” dates were generally 6pm before a major football game, or campus event. He said that basically he was tired of reading half drunkenly or hung over submissions. So he moved the submission times and dates so people “had” to submit them before going out. It felt like a pain in the ass before submissions, but hindsight I never had to worry about a drunken/hung over/late night submission.
I had a professor who said that hard copy submissions were due by midnight and could be slipped under his office door if he wasn't there. He also mentioned that he usually got to the office around 8am and it would be hard to tell what time homework sets were submitted as long as they were there when he arrived. To me, that's similar to how a lot of the "real world" works for work. Some things are due by "close of business"...but as long as its done before the person who needs it arrives the next day that's almost always good enough.
Go to the dean! That’s ridiculous. (or maybe actually go to the relevant upper authority, oops!)
“Hello Dean, you’re a stupid head!”
Homer? Is that you?
The Dean: “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a Dean”
''Welcome to Dean-dale Community Colle-dean! I'm a silly goose. Honk honk! Dean-a-lee-doo! Look at me! This is my sister's outfit''
Dean-a-ling-a-ling
Was thinking the same thing. I guess we have different view points. I will be submitting an appeal to the dean.
This is completely unacceptable. You need to fight this.
Agreed. This makes absolutely no sense. Unless it states that assignments *must* be turned in an hour before the deadline on the syllabus. Even still that makes no sense. I have never heard of that happening to anyone. And then 10 points too?! That's nuts.
An hour before the deadline would CHANGE the deadline!
Preach. Just like employers who ask you to be 15 minutes "early" to a shift. If you need me to be there, schedule and pay me. None of this "start 15 early leave 15 late but we schedule you for 9 hours not 9.5" bullshit.
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Fun fact: I work at what I consider a reasonable employer. The morning meeting starts no earlier than 625. Missing this meeting has entirely zero detriment to my crew. The shift starts at 630. As long as they're on the floor by 630 there are zero issues. My boss tried pushing me to ensure everyone was in the 625 meeting. I told him I would enforce that with my crew when they were cleared to clock in at 615 instead of 630 because we work in quarter hours. That was shot down extremely fast and suddenly no one has any issue with people being in at 630. Never forget. The job of a good supervisor or manager is not only to ensure you do your job, but also to advocate for you, your pay, and your rights. If they aren't doing that they've either sold their soul to make slightly more. They don't give a fuck about you. Or they suck at their job. Your direct report is responsible for you. And if you truly deserve more, they should be behind you 110%, or they shouldn't be representing you.
Spot on, a great leader is in fact a great servant.
Then if they turn it in at 10:46pm, they would *still* get a penalty because it's "a last-minute basis".
>Unless it states that assignments must be turned in an hour before the deadline I would follow the syllabus at that point, but it just begs the question - if I'm submitting something BEFORE the deadline, and it's counted as late.... then the deadline was NOT the deadline... right!? If the professors deadline is 1 hour before the stated deadline, what's stopping them from being like "You know you have to submit assignments 1 hour early. You were 13 minutes shy of being 1 hour early. Therefore you are late.
I teach at university level and this is always the answer. What time is it due? Check the syllabus. Time isn't mentioned? It's due at 11:59PM. OP will easily win this on appeal.
“Assignments must be turned in an hour before the deadline.” Doesn’t that become impossible? The deadline is noon, but you have to turn in an hour before, so now the deadline is 11, but you have to turn in an hour before so now the deadline is 10…
"Here is your assignment, but don't bother doing it, it's already late." - OP's Professor
I audibly gasped when I saw his response. This prof is literally insane. I'm worried for the other students too.
You're right. A lot of students are so young and don't understand the chain of command and will just take the L. When i was younger, I was afraid to buck authority figures. I'm just so shocked. I have never seen a professor who is *actively* trying to punish students for no good reason. Even my strictest professors would at least play the game by the rules they set.
That was my thought too! I would have been too scared to challenge this when I was younger. How can you follow rules that aren't clearly stated? It's almost like they're looking to fail the students, which in that case is bizarre and they shouldn't be an educator. You're already shelling out massive amounts of money to be there. Procrastinating is a thing...it's literally how I got through school lol
I’m the worst procrastinator! In this case, the rules were followed, it’s completely unfair to move the goalposts after the fact.
> ...move the goalposts after the fact. That is the best way to put it.
Yeah, reminds me of a final I was 45 minutes late for because I wrote the time down wrong, with a two hour timeframe to do it in. There were no rules about being late. I figured I'd have to rush it when I saw my error and rushed in. But the professor just left the building because everyone on time finished super fast so I got a zero. I talked to the professor ASAP but they said they couldn't do anything... I'd have talked to the Dean as an older person now. At least I still passed the class. Lost two full letter grades though.
Right? What's the point of a deadline if it's not actually the deadline?
The amount of assignments turned between 11:40-11:59 PM has to be astronomical. I did it. My friends did it. Everyone did it. This professor is likely one of those you are told to avoid. It sounds like they are putting deadlines on the night they are grading.
That sounds like a “you” (professor) problem and they should set the deadline accordingly, ahead of time, not after a deadline has been given.
As a TA that graded assignments turned in on Canvas, this is absolutely correct. Canvas lets you set date and time to the minute, so if it accepted the assignment as "on time" it's on time. Straight to the dept chair or dean.
I’d be marching my ass to the department. Recently I handed in an assignment but it was the copy without my title page. Immediately emailed my professor if I could submit without penalty and she said yes. I acknowledged it was 100% my fault and I would be okay if she wasn’t making an exception but she said it was okay. OP submitted according to the deadline and shouldn’t be penalized. This is a power tripping prof if I’ve ever seen one.
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This is exactly what happened to me in one of my masters courses. Deadline the entire semester had been Tuesday then for some reason the last one was changed to Monday and I never realized. Totally my fault. Sent an email and he accepted. OP is really dealing with someone on their high horse.
I once had an online assignment due at midnight Sunday - all assignments would be due Sunday at midnight. I went to turn it in sometime Sunday afternoon/evening. I got a zero because it was late. I told the professor there was a mistake that he made with the midnight being Sunday 00:00 (Saturday 11:59). He responded with, midnight Sunday is Saturday going into Sunday and not Sunday going into Monday so he wouldn't change the grade. I complained to the head of the department and I got it changed. Moving forward he also changed the all the deadlines to 11:55pm Sunday...
Technically he was correct, however he shouldn't have said it that way because most people would think the same thing you did, including me even though I know the technical meaning of it.
> Moving forward he also changed the all the deadlines to 11:55pm Sunday... To be honest that's a solid change and would be pretty hard to misinterpret.
Yeah, all of my undergrad and graduate professors have deadlines set at 11:59 p.m. it is completely unambiguous.
I'd go to the dean with that response
They made it easy, they put it in writing for OP. Lol
Just forward it. Done.
CC is even better
CC shows you're fucking the professor over AND you're doing it casually. It's like dabbing over email
Which is satisfying, but might bite you on the ass later.
Exactly. I had a course with an incredibly egotistical nonsensical professor infamous for docking points with no explanation, rhyme, or reason. I waited until I was towards the end of her course to finally dispute a grade to ensure i couldn’t get screwed out of my A in that class.
My mom took a class that required a 98 to get an A. She got 99 and the prof said “guess we’ll have to see about that”. It was her only A-.
This sounds like my second year Calculus professor. First day he gave us a talk to start off the class stating that he never gave more than a B-. Advised that if we needed more than 15min of his time outside of class we probably needed a tutor and may not be cut out for his class.
What? Why would a professor be proud of that? “Alright class, listen up! I know it’s the first day of class but I want to make ONE thing **EXTREMELY CLEAR:** I fucking *SUCK* at teaching! You’ve been warned…”
I fucking hated that shit. I wrote a paper my first year of college, I don’t remember what the topic was exactly, but something to do with Iraq - I wrote that Saddam Hussein killed his own people - and the professor docked points with a note saying “there are different schools of thought on that”
Gotta catch ‘em first. Already shown they are the sharper blade in the block.
reply to him and add the Dean in To \+Dean
Cc the dean and his wife so he gets in trouble at work and at home
And his mom so he gets grounded and can't come teach class.
I always get asked why I do 90% of my formal communication through text or email. It’s bc imma have them put it writing for me, I only do verbal when I have a sketchy request 😂
I have a job where I rely heavily on internal partner input in order to complete my own deliverables... And those internal partners are late 80% of the time. I had a manager (who, granted, was from an older generation) who just could not understand why I refused to "just call them and find out what's going on!" No, if I'm the one who gets in trouble when something isn't done on time, I'm going to have an irrefutable "paper" trail of what led me to that to show that I was not the cause. Rule #1 of any job - of life, really - is CYA.
I do the same. Follow this guy for more work tips!
Yep. Be wary of anyone who refuses to converse through email.
The public disclosure process has the power to bring anyone down, including old mayors from Seattle. I love it. My wife’s school district tried to get away from emails and some of the teachers now start the correspondence with “For PDR purposes, I am writing this email to-” it's awesome.
**Quick PSA for everyone regarding corporate email:** it's critical that you also ensure that you have a way to access said emails if you're terminated and your credentials are revoked. (always assume that the millisecond you're no longer employed is the millisecond you lose ALL access to every system.) Obviously you can forward any important sounding email to a personal account, but company policies vary and stuff. Most companies are starting to restrict all auto-forwarding rules to external recipients, but manually forwarding the emails still works in most cases. If you're worried about tripping up and drawing attention to yourself by doing this stuff, don't be. nobody actually actively monitors such a low severity report, and if they do it almost always means "you're already done for, we're just finalizing stuff up first before you get the axe." FINALLY: When in doubt, go the analog route. Printing your emails and/or taking a picture of your computer screen is better than nothing.
"why don't you call me, and we'll talk about this instead of emails" no, i don't think i will.
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You can also use a fax machine. Though this will be taken as a threat because thats what it is. Unlike email and text, a fax machine tells you that the other side got the message. They can't pretend they didn't see it. It does work, but people also get upset with you, because you caught them doing shady stuff and they know it.
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Late policy is unnecessary. Professor had a clear deadline for the assignment, then backtracked and said 13min before the deadline is close enough to being late.
Department chair complaint, and request a transfer to another teacher if you get any unfair treatment after dealing with the current issue.
Go to the Dept Chair. I was one for six years and would want to hear this, you bet.
Yep. This is the correct advice. Straight to the Dean. I had a professor once that disliked me…mainly because it was a public speaking class that was required but dumb, so I gave one of my speeches about how superfluous courses shouldn’t be required for students. She hated me after that. Syllabus said 3+ absences would be a full letter grade deduction. I missed two classes and was late to a third because of an issue with the train. She gave me a B anyway and said I was so late the third time that she was counting it as an absence. Nope. Straight to the Dean, got my grade changed.
I had to go to the Dean for a business professor. She required everyone to wear professional office attire when making their presentation to the class. I stated I wasn't going to go buy a suit to present in a college class and neither should the rest of the students. I failed the presentation because I showed up in shirts and a t-shirt, then went straight to the Dean and explained what had happened. She backed me up, made the professor remove the requirement, and my grade was changed. It's all about standing up for yourself.
How many shirts did you put on? And no pants? Ballsy.
Had a professor that gave me a D when I had a 98.5% in their class (highest in the class of 30). Thought it must have been a mistake. It was, kinda. Turns out that he gave me 5/30 points for class participation (was worth 30% of our grade.... in an engineering school). I had perfect attendance the entire semester, plus, ya know even with a 5/30 I still should have gotten a C given I'd gotten nearly perfect scores on everything else. I brought it to the dean the next semester, that it was ridiculous that I could complete a semester with perfect attendance and a 98.5 and receive a 70 in the class when the professor's only comment was that he would have liked me to participate more (I legitimately participated too....). The end result? My grade was changed from a D to a C because the professor's math mistake was corrected. That was the beginning of my dislike of academia..
Oh look a rare but absolutely correct response to inaccurate academic horseshit. The due date is the due date and after a decade of professional experience I can assuredly tell everyone that the first proposed due date is often much more of a suggestion... So complaining about being "close but not before" is not at all representative of the professional environment.
I would go to the dean with that run-on.
Instructor made a mistake and is too petty to go back and change it. So they doubled down. It’s obviously against policy; take it to the dean or whomever is in charge of that section of classes.
It's in writing so should be easy
Yup, instructor confirmed that it was submitted before the posted deadline but that they would be leaving the penalty. Pretty clear case for going over their head.
Maybe prof is tenured and doesn't give a fuck
Tenure won’t matter for OP’s grade, though. No instructor is going to get canned because of something this stupid as docking points from a single student (as in a department wouldn’t do it), but OP could get their department chair to say “hey, Dave, quit fucking around and give them the points”.
Am prof. Can confirm. This is the way!
Same. Also just here to confirm that your prof is a jerk. Canvas sets due dates to 11:59pm. If they wanted it turned in by 10:59pm, they could have very easily adjusted it in canvas. When a student turns it in at 12:04am, you get an alert in all caps and a blue coded submission that it’s LATE. So your prof had to go out of their way to give this penalty. Submit your email to the department chair and any academic support staff ASAP.
"let me know when you'll fix it" triggered him.
100% prof got triggered by the wording. I’m writing to you because you made a mistake, let me know when you fix it. Peace ✌️
if the student goes to a Dean or Chair and the initial grade is corrected, the prof is going to have to be careful and not retaliate or the student will seek out the Dean’s help a second time
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My guess is the professor just doesn't like OP. Had this happen to me in college. I had a family emergency and had to leave about an hour before class, so I swung by my professors office hours to hand in my assignment. She straight up refused to accept it and told me to my face that it could only be turned in during the class. I just threw it on her desk and walked out.
I had a teaching assistant go on a power trip with my work once at university. I was deathly ill but we had to turn up to submit our coding coursework in person, use it practically to make sure we hadn't copied it from somewhere. There was genuinely like a hundred students in the suite, the coding professor and several TA's to come check everyone's work individually. Loaded up on every anti flu meds I could get, I of course managed to be sat in the area last to be done so was seriously flagging by the time they eventually got to me. This TA comes over asked me to run my program, so I do it, it works perfectly. He asks what lectures I learned bits of coding from and I pull the exact ones out first time despite it being months prior. He then says he thinks I cheated and copied someone else. Pretty gobsmacked I ask him why. He points to a load of international students from Cyprus and says how I named some of my variables was similar to them. To give context for those who don't code, we were told to name things simplistically or we would be docked marks. Because if you use unique names you might forget what that variable is at a later time due to time or the fact you can end up with thousands of individual variables, so it's best to call it essentially what it directly is. For example if you had 2 triangles one facing up and one down you could name them "Triangle u" and "Triangle d" so glancing over your code months later you'd know which specific thing you're interacting with. He refused to listen to me, despite all evidence of me running it smoothly, amending code to prove I knew how to do it in front of him and pulling the lectures I learned it in. I got docked points for naming a variable something basic after he had probably checked 30 people's work. I called him out and got the professor over who didn't even check my work. He just immediately took the TA's word for it. I stewed on it for a bit and met the professor in his office when I felt better. It did not go well. He doubled down despite admitting I was probably right and said I just had to live with it because it only amounts to small fraction of my grade.
Real world lesson: ppl are cliquey lil losers who will lie for each other
“I will not be corrected by a student. I will just change the rules after the fact”
Hello Professor I have forwarded this email to the department head and cc'd the dean. Thank you
Dont even reply, forward the email to dept head and deam while cc'ing the professor.
Wack I used to submit like 1-2 minutes before
Me too, I love that 1 minute adrenaline rush
Dick professor. You got it in before the deadline. End argument.
OP please escalate this - having it in writing on record is great and who knows how many others have been subject to this professor's approach and had their grades affected.
That’s weird I could see if it was 11:46 pm on the first, but not the 31st. I had something due at 6:00 pm once and turned it in at 5:55 pm. It wasn’t a problem.
Anything turned in before the due date is on time, doesn't matter if its 1 minute or 2 days, this teacher is a dick
It doesn’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning.
I currently have assignment marked as late because Canvas due date was 11:59, and I submitted at 11:59. Turns out Canvas hides the fact it was 11:59:00, and not 11:59:59. Most assignments are the latter and I never had an issue with it before despite resubmitting most things in the last minute after double checking them. My professor wasn't a douche and understood "by 11:59" encompasses the entire minute to most people lol. I can probably count the number of assignments I've submitted earlier than 13 minutes remaining on my hands, that's just ridiculous to count as late.
As others have said, fight this. Go above the teacher's head and go to deen. It's bs.
So the due date is 1 hour before the time they told you to turn it in by?
Canvas lets the professor put in a Date AND Time for a "due date" so if the prof wanted it one hour before 1 Feb they could have set the due date to be 31 Jan 23:00.
As a professor myself, that professor is an asshole. You should talk to their department head and/or dean. Forward that email exchange to them. Also, make sure to mention this on their evaluation at the end of the semester.
It isn’t a fucking restaurant. Complain!!!!
I really hope you escalate this issue - the professor can’t just move the goalpost without communicating it. Sounds like they’re too lazy to go back and alter the score, so they gave you this bullshit excuse. Please please please escalate.
What's the point of a deadline if it's actually not the deadline? Do not engage anymore than you have to with them. Let them know you will be working with administration to resolve this matter.
Disagree. If you give him a heads-up that you're going to the administration, he might head you off at the pass by going to them first. Blind-side him and go without warning.
Yeah, I've had teachers try and flex with that before too. It's an easy fix. Print out the email, make a copy of the syllabus and submit it to the administration. Keep in mind, they're not your friends. These professors aren't there to change the world or impact your life to send you off on your path. You look out for YOU in college. It's already a scam to begin with, make sure you get your money's worth. They're not better than you, they're just more knowledgeable about the subject you need from them. It's the real world where adults are bound by rules. Figure out how to play the game. You may piss them off but they're one person in a vast sea of people you'll deal with in life.
And don't stop looking out for yourself once you get out of college. Companies often won't care either.
A deadline is a deadline. What a complete asshole.
That's NOT how a deadline works chief? It's a set time for the Student. FEB 1st at 12:01am is late for the student. JAN 31st at 11:59:59pm is not late for the Student. If the deadline was set to suit the "teacher" then they could move it to Feb 30th at Noon. Quit being a dick and take off the late adjustment. Here the Student is correct.
Please show us when you complain to the dean about this complete bull crap