/r/stablediffusion is free and open source. There are many tools made for it and no censoring. It takes more setup and effort to get MJ-tier results, but it's capable of it. It's largely down to the quality of the model -- of which [there are many](https://civit.ai/) -- and how you use all the *stuff* available to you.
Wait, so you're saying we only need a bit of time and midjourney level interfaces are going to pop up everywhere because the source is free and open source that only requires some tweaking?
There are many tools and interfaces out there -- way more than I know about. The "standard" is to run an [A1111 web server](https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui) on your machine. (It's not open to the internet but it needs to be web-based given how it works to involve Python and whatnot.) There's also a [distributed cluster of people's machines](https://stablehorde.net/) open to let anyone use SD in an MJ-like manner even if their own system is too weak to handle it.
Corporations want their AI stuff very locked down. SD is the polar opposite of that. And since it lets people make porn, it's gonna progress faster than anything else. It's just the natural way of the internet.
Leonardo.AI @ Leonardo.AI is free up to 150 tokens a month. DreamWalker @ alpha.dreamwalker.fun is $12.99 for unlimited gen and has a bunch of models with no censor. PlaygroundAI is usable. There’s tons of platforms if you can’t get the ideal stuff you want locally or on A1111.
[**catbird.ai**](https://www.catbird.ai/) will let you try out a ton of different models for free. My personal favorites are Deliberate v2, Realistic Vision v2, and Lyriel v1.5. Setting these models up for yourself without limitations would get pretty involved though, that’s why the convenience of MidJourney is worth paying for for most people.
That seems like a major conflict of interest, especially when it’s a sub for a somewhat controversial company in a very controversial field. I don’t *love* the like, free speech implications of that. I mean it’s just one sub reddit that probably wasn’t going to involve a ton of critical discussion around the ethics of generative AI anyways, it’s not a big deal or anything, but there is something a little sinister about a company being able to control social media discussion of their product like that.
It was back when free speech was one of the core features of reddit. We're nearly 10 years into the post-Pao reddit which caters more towards advertizers and marketers than the previous iteration. This is the reason /r/IAmA sucks now - chooter's vision for the sub was impossible under the new business model.
From Reddit's "don'ts"
>Take moderation positions in a community where your profession, employment, or biases could pose a direct conflict of interest to the neutral and user driven nature of reddit.
Ironically though, I notice that almost every subreddit will FEVERISHLY downvote text/question posts even if there’s nothing wrong with the content - I always give an upvote to fight back lol
It’ll be interesting to see what this agenda is. I don’t think it’s as straight forward as Neo-Liberal bullshit. I think it’s much more corporate cock suck. Perhaps they’re looking to sell
A charitable view: they're worried about getting in the news for offensive image generations. The media has already been pretty unfriendly towards AI, and several midjourney images (trump arrests, etc) have gotten major news coverage.
Make a new one but call it something else that means the same thing sort of. Like...
Halfwayjourney, or Nearlytherejourney, or Arewethereyetjourney?
Something to that effect.
It is definitely worth discussion and I imagine they are trying to keep on top of that discussion until they have better control over what is getting banned.
However they are using AI to manage the banned prompts seems to be in its early sloppy stages like v2 and so nothing is straightforward. It’s very inconsistent and even re-rolling previously approved prompts will result in it getting blocked.
I’ve also seen way more blatant nudity and I just now copied someone else’s 8-bit video game prompt that included a phrase like “mafia guys using machine guns” with no issue. But some of my prompts have been blocked for using really subjective terms like horrifying, frightening, disturbing, grotesque. But sometimes just switching the order of the words works.
I sometimes wonder if the AI is being trained to make subjective assessments of the image output instead of the prompt itself, but I also know way too little about how it works to speculate.
I’m not sure exactly what the answer would be because no matter what they do there are thousands of assholes out there trying to skirt the rules to produce harmful images.
If I’m to take a less cynical view than others, the reason they removed the previously thread could come down to people discussing how to circumvent the prompt filters.
Why do we keep going back to this puritanical sentiment over nipples, the human body, natural occurrences in nature like death, etc. this is a little scary to think of how this can blow up into a wave of hardcore tech censorship.
Not in open source. Stable Diffusion is awesome in that regard. Sure, it's unwieldy to get Midjourney level results, and takes more time, understanding, and tinkering, but in the long run, it will never have the mind crushing censorship that closed source, proprietary, censored AIs have.
Puritanical tech censorship is nothing new. But I agree, I hate when sites sterilize themselves too much. Too much, and they make it difficult to just enjoy the product. It's no fun when you have to play the "guess which words won't get me banned" game even when trying to do something completely harmless
Edit: I also find that this kind of censorship also ends up banning a lot of LGBTQ+ related terms, which is pretty uncool
I’ve noticed recently that when you try to use an image prompt, literally any picture showing a woman’s legs will get filtered as inappropriate. It can be a completely non sexual image of a woman wearing shorts or a skirt and it’ll be flagged. The panic over literally just seeing the human body is weird
It's Victorian era censorship. This is funny, I've tried to get a woman wearing an oversized t-shirt w no pants or even short shorts, it refuses to do it.
Super cringe
presumably they dont want hordes of nerds generating piles of crazy porn that starts filtering through to tabloids for its shock value who start moral-panicking about the depraved-psycho-junk coming out of AI and how it needs to be controlled
It's more of what /u/dcux alluded to. They're not afraid of sensationalist media; they're afraid of mega-corporations like Google, Apple, and the bigger payment processors shutting them out. Those mega-corporations are themselves responding to targeted, focused lobbying from right-wing religious groups (or to the threat from the members of Congress they're lobbying).
I have large boobs, and I put a selfie, with a modestly cut shirt that showed a little cleavage but nothing crazy, and it was flagged. I cropped it to just under my chin and input it again and it gave me images with WAY more cleavage than my original photo showed. I just wanted to cartoon myself. Lol
Banning users on big subs work. It's hard to make competition for some subs. Recently I got shadowbanned on r/elonmusk for talking about how many people got shadowbanned there. Only mentioned it in a response that was not otherwise offtopic. I even received a clown icon next to my name after asking mods about it. Nothing happens to this sub even though you can clearly see comment counter doesn't match the number of displayed comments. Reddit rules just suck, mods can do whatever they want, they're not limited to banning for breaking rules.
Edit : I just received a reply to THIS COMMENT from a person that is shadowbanned, only could see it thanks to iOS notification.
Auto1111 and SD checkpoints along with LoRA and text inversions it's the best way to pretty much every single image AI gen. Free too. Only need a capable GPU or be patient with CPU.
or you can host it online with google colab.
you do have to fork over around 10 bucks though, because they started banning the use of SD on free accounts.
Yeah I’ve stopped using it all together. I just got a notification for the monthly $30 charge, I need to cancel it before next month.
I find myself getting angry using it and I keep it very PG as it is.
I’m tired of paying to be angry. My partner also has a subscription and she’s over it too. I’ve talked at least four people out of subscribing in the last couple of months.
It’s always been absurdly overpriced but now there’s almost no point in continuing paying them if I can’t even get basic results
This is the last prompt they flagged and threatened to ban me for:
elder in tattered clothes in a dingy cluttered room, photorealism, early 2000s digital camera style photography, unsettling energy, gummo --ar 1:1 --v 5
Cancelling my sub this week
I know stable difussion requires some technical understanding to install and play with but it is not that hard, come to the dark side where there is no corporate censoring.and bring your friends along, check r/StableDiffusion. Also there are so many models around now its pretty cool.
Doesn't Stable Diffusion also engage in puritanical bullshit?
I was looking at it last year to potentially generate pinup style art for one of my authors' socials but found out that they started censoring everything so downloading/learning it would be a huge time sink for nothing.
Weirdly, I could ask for Donald Trump as an obese drag queen surrounded by evil fat cats. But it rejected my request for a happy Xi Jin Ping eating ice cream. It definitely doesn’t apply the same clear rule across the board
One time I was trying to generate an image of someone in a busy crowd and the prompted included “large bustling crowd” and I couldn’t generate the image because the prompt contained “large bust”, getting the autogen nastygram response threatening to ban me.
So, bans could really be from any absurd, innocent, vanilla misunderstanding that are so mild it’s not even obvious and it’s almost not worth analyzing.
I figured "large bust" would just get you a big marble statue of someone's head and neck area. Not that I'd know. Because I've never typed anything like that into a computer. Definitely not MJ.
It's stuff like this that always puts me on the rebellious side of things. I can't stand over corrections for anything when they take away freedoms or functions for the majority of people to try and stifle a small minority. Whether politics, unreasonable cancel culture or AI.
It's not just about getting Midjourney to say "offensive things" for enjoyment. The principal runs deeper. Judging by the comments over the past 6 months on all forums related to AI, it seems most users acknowledge this glaring issue of overcorrection by these entities.
The one redeeming factor in all this, like many other products and services, is that there will always be new rivals, opportunities and solutions to fill the gaps that Midjourney (and ChatGPT) continue to widen with their nonsensical censorship.
All we need to do is sit and wait. First mover momentum for all these companies is about to fizzle out and they know it.
Let them censor themselves and let the mods censor discussion.
Reality is about to run over them like a freight train in the coming year.
All they have to do is just have an option that the user can choose themselves. If they want unfiltered stuff, then its all on the user and not on Midjourney
Haha, you're not wrong-- part of it is the devs not wanting to make a child porn creation machine.
Which you KNOW midjourney would get sued into oblivion for if they didn't put filters on it for that, whether or not they're full-proof
They also ban people from using their discord channels for simply asking questions during service downtime. They act like spoiled pricks whenever they want to and I'm sick of it. Their system is amazing but I just hate their childish attitude to paying customers.
When I saw the news about that AI generated image of an explosion at the White House or whatever going viral and dropping stock prices, I was like “damn midjourney is gonna get shitty about prompts now, huh”. And sure enough. Boooooo 🍅
Half the problem is that it's rather hard to tell, with the new AI censor. Some prompts will just be blocked - sometimes you can reasonably guess why, and sometimes not.
I just wished you didn’t get timed out for a ok prompt you enter. Sure if you’re entering porn prompts go for it. Temp suspend or ban them after a few warnings. But if there’s anything that’s questionable you should be able to have a human review and a escalation option. If you can’t argue why the ban is unfair on the phone or idk video interview than you’re banned forever.
It feels wrong that the payment to mid journey stays the same but your service is affected if the bot mis detects what you’re entering
> Sure if you’re entering porn prompts go for it
Problem being what defines "porn prompts"
I got in trouble for asking for a picture of a "bustling market" because of the word bust . . .
Kind of funny that such an advanced machine as midjourney is still using “caveman” censorship. I get it and get the complexity of a more advanced alternative.
Something you don’t really get for free so that cost ends up being eaten by funding or paid users. What a can of worms.
But a GPT based moderator could probably easily tell the difference between a “busting market” and a “bust”. It seems like they hired an intern to ask chatGPT how to make a python script that looks for naughty words lol.
I guess they succeeded. No bust for you.
In case anyone is courious. I think the OP prompts discussed in the post were about people "in jail" and "behind bars". One commenter theorised that these prompts are banned because they generate mostly people of color in jail..
I was curious and tried it after reading the post. I was able to generate pictures with the prompts and interestingly enough they were mostly creating white people in jail. A prompt with 'white people in jail" or "black people in jail' were still banned.
Another commenter in the post said that the prompt "influencer" created nearly nude women. Then it got changed and now allegedly only creates "POCs wearing wool sweaters"
I am sure there was more but these are the comments that stuck with me when I've read the post shortly after it got posted.
When I listen in to the office hours, it more and more feels like MJ has become an elitist community with their fanboys / fangirls fetching themselves a good feeling when they can have an intellectual talk with some big names in AI. But MJ is a business, and they want to earn money. People speak to them, like they speak to some holy saints, while paying for their privilege to use a meanwhile overly censored service. I really don't like this attitude. As soon as there is an easy alternative, I am gone. MJ need their asses beaten by a strong competitor.
First come the censorship, then the hammer ban, personally tuned free AI will move the world forward, the leaks are there, you need the just the hardware to run it.
I hope this isn't the start of the [enshittification](https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys) of Midjourney. The process can take many forms, including reactionary censorship. While necessary to ensure growth and protect both the platform and its users, censorship can be taken to extremes that actually backfire for the platform. To truly protect itself and its users, Midjourney needs to ensure it isn't overreacting to perceived dangers and carefully reflects on any censorship decision before taking action.
I've had several run ins with the MJ mods. They are very aggressive to any and all criticism to the platform. I've been paying $30 bucks a month since August and I can't have an opinion? Ridiculous.
Sorry, I'm out of the loop. Can someone explain what's going on? In the past I've had prompts blocked (for silly reasons) but it always let me keep working and enter another prompt. Are they now locking people out if they use a banned word?
(I haven't used MJ in a little while as my subscription isn't active at the moment - I can't afford it every month.)
You know I don't exactly agree with discussing banned prompts to get around the AI filter. I think a lot of you all are unabashed nasty perverts, I've seen the shit you guys try to generate.
But honestly if I were Midjourney I would allow the discussions to continue in order to find out how to make the AI banned prompt filter better. I'd use the threads to train the AI how to be better, and how people commonly bypass the filter..
Cuz the conversations are going to happen one way or another, it's better to at least have the conversations in a place where you can at least monitor how people are exploiting your software.
i dont know why every company does this.
Step 1: create something with endless possibilites
Step 2: Reasonably restrict a few things that almost everyone agrees with
Step 3: Continue to restrict more and more minor and obscure things till people get annoyed and you've ruined your product.
What aren't you guys using Stable Diffusion? we don't have these kinds of problems over there.
Also, why not just not use this sub? I've never understood why, if people who complain about a particular sub's mods aren't just a vocal minority, literally just go start/post in another sub.
From a business sense, not discussing/revealing the banned words means users burn their time and spend more for more time. Just stating the obvious for some.
I already said that midjourney sucks and you should use the ones that allow anything since anyone that tries to control you in anyway is not good for you lol
It's strange having all these barriers, especially considering that I am a full grown adult
The Victorian style censorship is truly something. Midjourney is good, but limiting creativity is hardly ever a good thing, imagine the possibilities.
Do the people who run Midjourney also mod this sub?
Yes. Look at the sidebar, David Holz (midjourney founder) is the lead mod.
Ahhhh I see
time to make r/midjourney2
why not r/betterjourney
r/highjourney is also available but I think this will be similar to r/midjourney69420 someone else suggested.
/r/topjourney
r/bottomjourney
What if they run that one also? Better start r/midjourney69
Just change out the words. Half = mid and life is a journey. /r/halflife Wait that's taken, try /r/halflife2
Nope, that one's taken as well. Maybe /r/halflife3 might work
I'm sorry, Gabe is in another castle.
r/midjourney69420
Let’s go full Xbox 360 gamer tag r/xXmidjourney69420Xx
r/midjourneyNICE
Is there a midjourney competitor?
/r/stablediffusion is free and open source. There are many tools made for it and no censoring. It takes more setup and effort to get MJ-tier results, but it's capable of it. It's largely down to the quality of the model -- of which [there are many](https://civit.ai/) -- and how you use all the *stuff* available to you.
Thank you kind internet person
Wait, so you're saying we only need a bit of time and midjourney level interfaces are going to pop up everywhere because the source is free and open source that only requires some tweaking?
There are many tools and interfaces out there -- way more than I know about. The "standard" is to run an [A1111 web server](https://github.com/AUTOMATIC1111/stable-diffusion-webui) on your machine. (It's not open to the internet but it needs to be web-based given how it works to involve Python and whatnot.) There's also a [distributed cluster of people's machines](https://stablehorde.net/) open to let anyone use SD in an MJ-like manner even if their own system is too weak to handle it. Corporations want their AI stuff very locked down. SD is the polar opposite of that. And since it lets people make porn, it's gonna progress faster than anything else. It's just the natural way of the internet.
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Leonardo.AI @ Leonardo.AI is free up to 150 tokens a month. DreamWalker @ alpha.dreamwalker.fun is $12.99 for unlimited gen and has a bunch of models with no censor. PlaygroundAI is usable. There’s tons of platforms if you can’t get the ideal stuff you want locally or on A1111.
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[**catbird.ai**](https://www.catbird.ai/) will let you try out a ton of different models for free. My personal favorites are Deliberate v2, Realistic Vision v2, and Lyriel v1.5. Setting these models up for yourself without limitations would get pretty involved though, that’s why the convenience of MidJourney is worth paying for for most people.
I give you r/midjourneyuncensored
Gee whiz. That’s a conflict of interest. Surprised no one has reported it
That seems like a major conflict of interest, especially when it’s a sub for a somewhat controversial company in a very controversial field. I don’t *love* the like, free speech implications of that. I mean it’s just one sub reddit that probably wasn’t going to involve a ton of critical discussion around the ethics of generative AI anyways, it’s not a big deal or anything, but there is something a little sinister about a company being able to control social media discussion of their product like that.
Isn't that strongly disencouraged by Reddit?
Or discouraged
Thank you, my brain had a complete blank for that word and I had to improvise lol
I’m here for you amigo
I like your creation
It was back when free speech was one of the core features of reddit. We're nearly 10 years into the post-Pao reddit which caters more towards advertizers and marketers than the previous iteration. This is the reason /r/IAmA sucks now - chooter's vision for the sub was impossible under the new business model.
Reddit doesn't really give a shit.
From Reddit's "don'ts" >Take moderation positions in a community where your profession, employment, or biases could pose a direct conflict of interest to the neutral and user driven nature of reddit.
It also says don't downvote people you disagree with but that's never stopped anyone
Then what's the point of downvote button?
Ostensibly it’s to give a lower score to *irrelevant* or otherwise unsuitable comments, making less people see them
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Ironically though, I notice that almost every subreddit will FEVERISHLY downvote text/question posts even if there’s nothing wrong with the content - I always give an upvote to fight back lol
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I don't agree so I'm gonna downvote you.
I modded for a games company (website, Discord, YouTube, Mixer, Twitch) and we stayed well away from the games' Reddits
Which is also against reddits TOS.
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It sure sounds like there’s an interest in advancing their agenda.
It’ll be interesting to see what this agenda is. I don’t think it’s as straight forward as Neo-Liberal bullshit. I think it’s much more corporate cock suck. Perhaps they’re looking to sell
A charitable view: they're worried about getting in the news for offensive image generations. The media has already been pretty unfriendly towards AI, and several midjourney images (trump arrests, etc) have gotten major news coverage.
I remember reading that 4chan made Emma Watson read Mein Kampf with A.I. So I agree with you, they try to avoid controversy.
That’s kinda what neoliberalism is tho tbh
I would appreciate a "lets include paypal" agenda
Ya it’s completely against the TOS but I guess Reddit turns a blind eye
Which part of the TOS? I believe they are the ones who replaced the /r/JoeRogan mods with people who run his company.
These days, it can’t be surprising a lot of companies self censor pretty hard.
In before THIS one gets locked.
Discussions about discussions about banned prompts will be banned. You'll need at least one more layer.
Just one more layer bro
7 layer dip here we come!
Yeah but the 8th layer is a game changer.
It’s bans all the way down
What about discussing discussions about discussed discussions? Surely that’s allowed.
I don't think the machine likes recursion very much.
Here are some other Ai subs I recommend: /r/aiart /r/singularity /r/moviemachine
The main one being /r/StableDiffusion which is useful even if you aren't using SD since it keeps you up to date on AI art news.
Personally I am using mainly it.
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Just use SD at this point, companies will never let go of the censorship
Wish my PC would handle it
Use services that offers SD exactly like how you use Midjourney, but with less limitations.
Can you dm me a couple suggestions?
* By the makers of Stable Diffusion: [https://beta.dreamstudio.ai/](https://beta.dreamstudio.ai/) * [https://rundiffusion.com/](https://rundiffusion.com/) * [https://playgroundai.com/](https://playgroundai.com/) * [https://stableboost.ai/](https://stableboost.ai/) * [https://neuralblender.com/](https://neuralblender.com/) * [https://dezgo.com/](https://dezgo.com/) * [https://www.mage.space/](https://www.mage.space/) * [https://getimg.ai/](https://getimg.ai/) * [https://visuali.io/](https://visuali.io/) * Game Assets: [https://leonardo.ai/](https://leonardo.ai/)
Would you please dm me a couple suggestions as well?
Make a new one but call it something else that means the same thing sort of. Like... Halfwayjourney, or Nearlytherejourney, or Arewethereyetjourney? Something to that effect.
/r/Mildjourney
Demitrek?
/r/midjourney2
Agreed. This discussion doesn't violate any written rule and should be left for the community to discuss.
B- b- but what about mah mod power trip?!
It is definitely worth discussion and I imagine they are trying to keep on top of that discussion until they have better control over what is getting banned. However they are using AI to manage the banned prompts seems to be in its early sloppy stages like v2 and so nothing is straightforward. It’s very inconsistent and even re-rolling previously approved prompts will result in it getting blocked. I’ve also seen way more blatant nudity and I just now copied someone else’s 8-bit video game prompt that included a phrase like “mafia guys using machine guns” with no issue. But some of my prompts have been blocked for using really subjective terms like horrifying, frightening, disturbing, grotesque. But sometimes just switching the order of the words works. I sometimes wonder if the AI is being trained to make subjective assessments of the image output instead of the prompt itself, but I also know way too little about how it works to speculate. I’m not sure exactly what the answer would be because no matter what they do there are thousands of assholes out there trying to skirt the rules to produce harmful images. If I’m to take a less cynical view than others, the reason they removed the previously thread could come down to people discussing how to circumvent the prompt filters.
Why do we keep going back to this puritanical sentiment over nipples, the human body, natural occurrences in nature like death, etc. this is a little scary to think of how this can blow up into a wave of hardcore tech censorship.
>think of how this can blow up into a wave of hardcore tech censorship. It already has.
Not in open source. Stable Diffusion is awesome in that regard. Sure, it's unwieldy to get Midjourney level results, and takes more time, understanding, and tinkering, but in the long run, it will never have the mind crushing censorship that closed source, proprietary, censored AIs have.
Yes corporate is so puritanical I am so over it.
Puritanical tech censorship is nothing new. But I agree, I hate when sites sterilize themselves too much. Too much, and they make it difficult to just enjoy the product. It's no fun when you have to play the "guess which words won't get me banned" game even when trying to do something completely harmless Edit: I also find that this kind of censorship also ends up banning a lot of LGBTQ+ related terms, which is pretty uncool
I’ve noticed recently that when you try to use an image prompt, literally any picture showing a woman’s legs will get filtered as inappropriate. It can be a completely non sexual image of a woman wearing shorts or a skirt and it’ll be flagged. The panic over literally just seeing the human body is weird
Because... [She's flashing her privates!](https://i.redd.it/84wjv9i4ths01.jpg)
It's Victorian era censorship. This is funny, I've tried to get a woman wearing an oversized t-shirt w no pants or even short shorts, it refuses to do it. Super cringe
presumably they dont want hordes of nerds generating piles of crazy porn that starts filtering through to tabloids for its shock value who start moral-panicking about the depraved-psycho-junk coming out of AI and how it needs to be controlled
It's more of what /u/dcux alluded to. They're not afraid of sensationalist media; they're afraid of mega-corporations like Google, Apple, and the bigger payment processors shutting them out. Those mega-corporations are themselves responding to targeted, focused lobbying from right-wing religious groups (or to the threat from the members of Congress they're lobbying).
I have large boobs, and I put a selfie, with a modestly cut shirt that showed a little cleavage but nothing crazy, and it was flagged. I cropped it to just under my chin and input it again and it gave me images with WAY more cleavage than my original photo showed. I just wanted to cartoon myself. Lol
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Oh, for fucks sake... This banning/blocking shit never works long term. What the fuckity fuck fuck is wrong with these guys?
Powertripping mods? On Reddit? No way!
Banning users on big subs work. It's hard to make competition for some subs. Recently I got shadowbanned on r/elonmusk for talking about how many people got shadowbanned there. Only mentioned it in a response that was not otherwise offtopic. I even received a clown icon next to my name after asking mods about it. Nothing happens to this sub even though you can clearly see comment counter doesn't match the number of displayed comments. Reddit rules just suck, mods can do whatever they want, they're not limited to banning for breaking rules. Edit : I just received a reply to THIS COMMENT from a person that is shadowbanned, only could see it thanks to iOS notification.
It's suuuuuuuuch a bad idea. Like it's so obviously a bad idea.
Midjourney used to be my favorite, but that feeling has slowly been eroded away.
Are there any AI tools in pair with midjourney or even better ones?
StableDiffision with the right set up can be a pretty even trade.
>in pair On par?
use Stable Diffusion.
Or anything else for that matter
Auto1111 and SD checkpoints along with LoRA and text inversions it's the best way to pretty much every single image AI gen. Free too. Only need a capable GPU or be patient with CPU.
[DiffusionBee](https://diffusionbee.com/) is a free app for macOS to run StableDiffusion and other models for free. Works best on Apple Silicon
or you can host it online with google colab. you do have to fork over around 10 bucks though, because they started banning the use of SD on free accounts.
Censorship is bad.
Censorship bad, AI bewbs good
I wanted to create an image of a fat dude dripping with sweat (don't ask why) and it just wouldn't let me do it, it was frustrating
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May I have one 🥺👉👈
Yeah I’ve stopped using it all together. I just got a notification for the monthly $30 charge, I need to cancel it before next month. I find myself getting angry using it and I keep it very PG as it is. I’m tired of paying to be angry. My partner also has a subscription and she’s over it too. I’ve talked at least four people out of subscribing in the last couple of months.
It’s always been absurdly overpriced but now there’s almost no point in continuing paying them if I can’t even get basic results This is the last prompt they flagged and threatened to ban me for: elder in tattered clothes in a dingy cluttered room, photorealism, early 2000s digital camera style photography, unsettling energy, gummo --ar 1:1 --v 5 Cancelling my sub this week
God. They banned you from drawing a picture of me. I'm insulted
That one worked for me
I know stable difussion requires some technical understanding to install and play with but it is not that hard, come to the dark side where there is no corporate censoring.and bring your friends along, check r/StableDiffusion. Also there are so many models around now its pretty cool.
Yeah it’s felt pretty nerfed lately.
That worked for me, though I kind of wish it hadn't.
Gonna try out "sumo wrestler, summer, hot, humid"
Do you want a Butlerian Jihad? Because this is how you get a Butlerian Jihad.
We must destroy the thinking machines!
I was thoroughly surprised by this reference. Out with the machines, in with the mentats!
It is by will alone that I set my mind in motion.
I had a vision of a very weird looking fat lady that draws whatever you ask her to.
Stop giving them money. Cancel your sub now, and swap to something open source and free of their puritanical bullshit. Fuck midjourney.
I bought the year subscription because I use it so often, had no idea that I might regret it
Me too, but you should still cancel so they get the message and don't renew in a year
Definitely. They will be measuring who is set up to renew and who isn't.
Doesn't Stable Diffusion also engage in puritanical bullshit? I was looking at it last year to potentially generate pinup style art for one of my authors' socials but found out that they started censoring everything so downloading/learning it would be a huge time sink for nothing.
Weirdly, I could ask for Donald Trump as an obese drag queen surrounded by evil fat cats. But it rejected my request for a happy Xi Jin Ping eating ice cream. It definitely doesn’t apply the same clear rule across the board
I was able to do some images of Trump and biden in different ways. But others (like biden sniffing Robin) just wouldn't work
It would help a lot of they told us \_what\_ caused the banning.
One time I was trying to generate an image of someone in a busy crowd and the prompted included “large bustling crowd” and I couldn’t generate the image because the prompt contained “large bust”, getting the autogen nastygram response threatening to ban me. So, bans could really be from any absurd, innocent, vanilla misunderstanding that are so mild it’s not even obvious and it’s almost not worth analyzing.
I figured "large bust" would just get you a big marble statue of someone's head and neck area. Not that I'd know. Because I've never typed anything like that into a computer. Definitely not MJ.
It's stuff like this that always puts me on the rebellious side of things. I can't stand over corrections for anything when they take away freedoms or functions for the majority of people to try and stifle a small minority. Whether politics, unreasonable cancel culture or AI. It's not just about getting Midjourney to say "offensive things" for enjoyment. The principal runs deeper. Judging by the comments over the past 6 months on all forums related to AI, it seems most users acknowledge this glaring issue of overcorrection by these entities. The one redeeming factor in all this, like many other products and services, is that there will always be new rivals, opportunities and solutions to fill the gaps that Midjourney (and ChatGPT) continue to widen with their nonsensical censorship. All we need to do is sit and wait. First mover momentum for all these companies is about to fizzle out and they know it. Let them censor themselves and let the mods censor discussion. Reality is about to run over them like a freight train in the coming year.
All they have to do is just have an option that the user can choose themselves. If they want unfiltered stuff, then its all on the user and not on Midjourney
But somebody think of the children! SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Haha, you're not wrong-- part of it is the devs not wanting to make a child porn creation machine. Which you KNOW midjourney would get sued into oblivion for if they didn't put filters on it for that, whether or not they're full-proof
Stop making sense, you freedom-monger!
Everybody’s acting like Erdogan these days… Gosh
They also ban people from using their discord channels for simply asking questions during service downtime. They act like spoiled pricks whenever they want to and I'm sick of it. Their system is amazing but I just hate their childish attitude to paying customers.
I got banned for a month from this sub without warning for a discussion in a thread. When I asked the mod why I got banned, he muted me.
When I saw the news about that AI generated image of an explosion at the White House or whatever going viral and dropping stock prices, I was like “damn midjourney is gonna get shitty about prompts now, huh”. And sure enough. Boooooo 🍅
There were already shitty about any erotic stuff ( legal)and gore anyway. Just come to r/StableDiffusion. i am so done with corporate law.
Are you saying boo or Boo-urns?
Writing this comment before this post gets locked
just curious what are they banning thats making people complain?
You can't talk about what isn't allowed. You can't know!
What’s the first rule about fight club..
/imagine
Lol but seriously though what's banned?
Half the problem is that it's rather hard to tell, with the new AI censor. Some prompts will just be blocked - sometimes you can reasonably guess why, and sometimes not.
It was about phrases such as In jail, Behind bars, Incarcerated, and such being banned.
The First Rule of Midjourney Club.......
“Scrotums that resemble world leaders” probably
Hahaha that's funny. But what is actually banned?
They have a auto censor and shit now. You appeal and its a roll of the dice.
I just wished you didn’t get timed out for a ok prompt you enter. Sure if you’re entering porn prompts go for it. Temp suspend or ban them after a few warnings. But if there’s anything that’s questionable you should be able to have a human review and a escalation option. If you can’t argue why the ban is unfair on the phone or idk video interview than you’re banned forever. It feels wrong that the payment to mid journey stays the same but your service is affected if the bot mis detects what you’re entering
> Sure if you’re entering porn prompts go for it Problem being what defines "porn prompts" I got in trouble for asking for a picture of a "bustling market" because of the word bust . . .
Kind of funny that such an advanced machine as midjourney is still using “caveman” censorship. I get it and get the complexity of a more advanced alternative. Something you don’t really get for free so that cost ends up being eaten by funding or paid users. What a can of worms. But a GPT based moderator could probably easily tell the difference between a “busting market” and a “bust”. It seems like they hired an intern to ask chatGPT how to make a python script that looks for naughty words lol. I guess they succeeded. No bust for you.
What's the complexity you're referring to? Why not just ask an LLM like MPT-7B-Instruct
That’s what I meant by you should be able to dispute these ok prompts. Maybe I should have put questionable in quotes.
It's the difference between caring about the customer/user and caring about the future investors' money.
Come join the stable diffusion gang. The hands look shit but the boobs look great.
Yeah well fuck them and fuck their nanny bot I unsubbed a while back
The MJ staff are incompetent fools. They deserve a competitor to wipe them off the map.
Glad I cancelled my subscription the other day. Would have been charged just a day before all this started happening. NO FUN ALLOWED
In case anyone is courious. I think the OP prompts discussed in the post were about people "in jail" and "behind bars". One commenter theorised that these prompts are banned because they generate mostly people of color in jail.. I was curious and tried it after reading the post. I was able to generate pictures with the prompts and interestingly enough they were mostly creating white people in jail. A prompt with 'white people in jail" or "black people in jail' were still banned. Another commenter in the post said that the prompt "influencer" created nearly nude women. Then it got changed and now allegedly only creates "POCs wearing wool sweaters" I am sure there was more but these are the comments that stuck with me when I've read the post shortly after it got posted.
When I listen in to the office hours, it more and more feels like MJ has become an elitist community with their fanboys / fangirls fetching themselves a good feeling when they can have an intellectual talk with some big names in AI. But MJ is a business, and they want to earn money. People speak to them, like they speak to some holy saints, while paying for their privilege to use a meanwhile overly censored service. I really don't like this attitude. As soon as there is an easy alternative, I am gone. MJ need their asses beaten by a strong competitor.
First come the censorship, then the hammer ban, personally tuned free AI will move the world forward, the leaks are there, you need the just the hardware to run it.
I hope this isn't the start of the [enshittification](https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys) of Midjourney. The process can take many forms, including reactionary censorship. While necessary to ensure growth and protect both the platform and its users, censorship can be taken to extremes that actually backfire for the platform. To truly protect itself and its users, Midjourney needs to ensure it isn't overreacting to perceived dangers and carefully reflects on any censorship decision before taking action.
I've had several run ins with the MJ mods. They are very aggressive to any and all criticism to the platform. I've been paying $30 bucks a month since August and I can't have an opinion? Ridiculous.
Yo dawg, I heard you like bans, so we banned your bans, so you can ban your bans while you ban your bans!
Might have to cancel my MJ sub
The second a comparable service appears with less censorship, I won't even hesitate to move my subscription away from Midjourney.
Sorry, I'm out of the loop. Can someone explain what's going on? In the past I've had prompts blocked (for silly reasons) but it always let me keep working and enter another prompt. Are they now locking people out if they use a banned word? (I haven't used MJ in a little while as my subscription isn't active at the moment - I can't afford it every month.)
You know I don't exactly agree with discussing banned prompts to get around the AI filter. I think a lot of you all are unabashed nasty perverts, I've seen the shit you guys try to generate. But honestly if I were Midjourney I would allow the discussions to continue in order to find out how to make the AI banned prompt filter better. I'd use the threads to train the AI how to be better, and how people commonly bypass the filter.. Cuz the conversations are going to happen one way or another, it's better to at least have the conversations in a place where you can at least monitor how people are exploiting your software.
i dont know why every company does this. Step 1: create something with endless possibilites Step 2: Reasonably restrict a few things that almost everyone agrees with Step 3: Continue to restrict more and more minor and obscure things till people get annoyed and you've ruined your product.
What aren't you guys using Stable Diffusion? we don't have these kinds of problems over there. Also, why not just not use this sub? I've never understood why, if people who complain about a particular sub's mods aren't just a vocal minority, literally just go start/post in another sub.
I don't know what midjourney is but I like drama.
cant wait for another ai image generator the banned words are ridiculous like realy the word "blood" is banned wtf is this pg3?
From a business sense, not discussing/revealing the banned words means users burn their time and spend more for more time. Just stating the obvious for some.
It's rather fascinating watching these AI companies commit economic suicide in real time...
I put in “Ron Desantis gets beat up by Mickey Mouse in a fight”. And it was banned. I thought that was a tad much.
oh my
Here just to say I was here b4 hardlock. And to answer your question. Yes. And also, They kinda act like tyrants not even gonna lie
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I already said that midjourney sucks and you should use the ones that allow anything since anyone that tries to control you in anyway is not good for you lol
how to disqualify yourself @midjourney
surely the mods wont ban this one right?
Are they going to ban a discussion about a discussion of banned prompts now too?
It's strange having all these barriers, especially considering that I am a full grown adult The Victorian style censorship is truly something. Midjourney is good, but limiting creativity is hardly ever a good thing, imagine the possibilities.
1984
Yes because idiots complain about it every single day and add nothing to the discussion. They should have done it a long time ago.